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00:02:03,588\n經濟部因為沒有收到這方面的報告所以沒有得到任何這樣的訊息沒有收到這樣的報告我也認為以台積電這麼大的一個國際級的公司他應該很謹慎小心他也很清楚美國的底線他也很知道這些晶片流入華為的嚴重性我們認為台積電會犯下這樣的錯誤所以我認為我對這樣的訊息其實我是懷疑的同時間我對台積電是有信心的對這個傳聞的訊息未經證實我們不予評論\n\n6\n00:02:07,892 --> 00:02:08,817\n不予評論不過部長應該對台積電有信心吧\n\n7\n00:02:11,567 --> 00:02:38,909\n台積電我們當然是非常有信心對手法對清楚尊規然後對各地各國的法令都非常的清楚而且遵守的一個廠商我相信他們不會輕忽這件事情我也不認為他們會這麼的輕忽讓這個晶片流到華為去然後犯下了美國這麼在乎這件事情是的所以我認為我對台積電是有信心部長應該對台積電有信心吧\n\n8\n00:02:39,469 --> 00:02:57,319\n非常有信心非常有信心很好再來我請教一下現在也有在提到說川普說如果台積電威脅台積電如果不到美國設廠的話課徵百分之百的關稅部長我們怎麼這是川普所講的但未來我們會做很多的一些談判的過程這個我們應該會來協助溝通跟協助這個台積電吧\n\n9\n00:03:03,922 --> 00:03:09,904\n我想我們這個台積電他對他所承諾的事情我們相信台積電一定會做到\n\n10\n00:03:12,108 --> 00:03:38,369\n對所以如果有這樣的百分之百的關稅這對台積電來說我講的是接下來我們會有很多的談判的小組會去跟美國做溝通我們希望讓美國讓川普這邊更知道怎麼樣讓台灣跟美國之間創造一個好的一個環境而不是造成更大的一些來部長請說是報告委員我想大家都非常清楚\n\n11\n00:03:39,349 --> 00:03:56,725\n台灣跟美國之間的科技是互補的也就是說一個產品能夠在市場上面賣得很好美國只扮演研究的角色台灣是扮演發展跟製造\n\n12\n00:03:58,373 --> 00:04:15,581\n的這個角色所以這個是完全互補也就是台灣有台灣的優勢啦台灣的不管我們的人才不管我們的各方面我們有很多我們的優勢這個部分其實未來透過談判小組我們希望讓川普讓美國這邊更清楚怎麼樣達到一個雙贏的目的而能夠而不是讓\n\n13\n00:04:17,791 --> 00:04:42,251\n我希望這一塊未來談判小組持續來努力是他們會把握到接下來我問一下談判小組接下來會來跟美國這邊溝通嗎我們的順位應該滿前面的嘛因為很多國家都要跟美國來做溝通我想我們的順位應該在很前面對因為我們跟美國的貿易這個數字是相當大的嘛而且我相信美國也很在乎不過從我們沒有被列入到這個十大的這個應該是美國對我們之間還算是有一定的信心\n\n14\n00:04:44,056 --> 00:05:07,639\n我們跟美國一直維持良好的溝通所以在這一方面我們要傳達國人的這個想法或者是談判代表需要能夠提早跟美國進入談判的這個過程我想美國他一個國家這些人他要對五六十個國家甚至七八十個所以我們的順序應該前面也很重要順序一定是在前面\n\n15\n00:05:08,280 --> 00:05:20,148\n那我問一下這個談判小組裡面部長會參與進去嗎還是我們經濟部的哪些人會參與進來談判小組的組成包括前往美國溝通部長你會去嗎\n\n16\n00:05:22,315 --> 00:05:45,040\n我到目前是沒有受到這樣的一個命令但是部長也會做準備啦反正我想部長、次長包括各相關的因為經濟部是一個重要的我們是一個團隊啦那有必要我們那個角色扮演我想我們都會善盡自己的職責不過部長跟次長跟經濟部團隊都已經做好萬全的準備了嘛我們在提供訊息方面我們確實是做好萬全準備\n\n17\n00:05:45,740 --> 00:06:07,841\n那另外賴總統其實也提到了除了從零關稅談起以外其他也提到了包括對於軍事的採購甚至投資美國我想這個都是啦減少美國的貿易赤字減少他們利差我想這也是一個努力的方向創造多元的方向那我們對於美國的採購的天然氣這個部分會持續來進行嗎\n\n18\n00:06:09,876 --> 00:06:27,607\n這個是項目之一啦項目之一啦那其他的部分呢包括像農產品的部分也會持續來加強做採購嗎我們對可以採購的部分我們當然是加強但是以國內的產業不受影響的前提作為我們這個努力的方向\n\n19\n00:06:28,327 --> 00:06:51,379\n這個當然是必然的啦盡量減緩對於國內產業但是現在看來有些一定會受到衝擊那衝擊的時候也希望經濟部善加運用政府的這個880億甚至更多資源來協助他們度過這一波的難關是的我想這個部分我們會持續的來這是我們優先項目這個優先項目那部長那之前他傳五月份要前往嘛這個就尊重行政院整體的規劃嘛對不對\n\n20\n00:06:53,266 --> 00:07:04,997\n這個是行政院整理規劃整理規劃我們是動態的運作部長也做好準備就是說行政院請部長出發部長就前往這個都是大家我們是一個team一個團隊什麼時候上場\n\n21\n00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:28,554\n這個就是由這個總教練也就是說就像剛剛部長提到的不管是請你當先發當這個中繼甚至上最後的終結者這個我想行政院我們隨時都是準備的部長就做好你的角色嘛每一個部長次長各單位的都扮演好每個角色都是一樣\n\n22\n00:07:29,795 --> 00:07:54,332\n好謝謝那再來我請教一下有很多人說應該要投資中國這個時間點有些人士國民黨某些人士說投資中國甚至於應該要對美國採取比較對抗的態度然後跟中國走比較近的路部長同意這樣的看法嗎所有的輿論所有的談話我們都給予參考尊重\n\n23\n00:07:55,362 --> 00:08:11,958\n尊重啊,那部長認同這樣的看法嗎?基本上因為我們跟美國其中有一個非常重要的就是紅色供應鏈必須要避開這是美國對我們的出國安全的一個非常重大的要求\n\n24\n00:08:13,530 --> 00:08:32,246\n那紅色供應鏈其實是我們現在必須要檢視的所以如果在這個前提之下你要然後再來就是美國從中國輸出到美國的關稅那麼高100多%我相信我們讓我們的這個業者去中國投資他可能也不願意吧\n\n25\n00:08:34,544 --> 00:08:58,824\n光一個民主的國家光一個專制的國家裡面說官制的國家很多已經受制於人所決定啦光這樣的一個經濟的體制上面來說我當然會比較相信是一個民主的體制是一個比較安全的除川普以外川普旁邊還有很多的國會嘛他還有國會的機制還有人民的機制可以去處理這個當然是一個相對比較安全的而且這裡是一個長期的民主夥伴關係嘛\n\n26\n00:08:59,665 --> 00:09:28,147\n那中共可能就是聽了就是習近平一個人的決定而已這是一個高風險更何況現在中共內部的問題也相當的多嘛所以我認為現在去講所謂的這個親中然後跟抗美這樣路線我是非常不認同的啦我認為其實當然我們也不會刻意去跟中共為敵啦但是對於你要去抗美親中這樣路線我想這個是完全背離台灣最大利益的我想應該比如說我們的國人業者也會對他的這個利益考量啦\n\n27\n00:09:29,048 --> 00:09:45,310\n那我們基本上還是協助他能夠避開這個經營上面的這個風險這個是我們經濟部會做的事好最後一個因為扣件其實對於影響相當大我們的扣件有523因為受到衝擊我也希望\n\n28\n00:09:46,352 --> 00:10:03,633\n經濟部要來加重來協助來看怎麼來處理當然我們有競爭對手的關係也跟美國之間的關係但我希望這一塊經濟部能夠特別的去重視特別擴建都在高雄跟台南這邊南台灣那影響相當重大我們會每一家公司都去訪問我們也希望用專案的方式來協助這些擴建業者來渡過這一波難關好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5551\t25507\t謝主席 請劉主委跟郭部長劉主委 郭部長我先請教一下劉主委主委我先請教一下因為最近這個包括川普美國川普這邊提高關稅的部分那我們原先預估我們今年的經濟成長率其實可以超過3那這個會不會受到影響以現在這樣的狀況現在來評估的話會受到影響會受到影響 可能保3會有問題嗎\n31452\t58820\t如果照現在這樣狀況的話 對 寶山會有問題寶山會有問題 但是我們還是希望透過一些措施 刺激國內的一方面跟美國做一些談判 一方面投入8811 甚至未來更多的也希望 寶山應該還是我們的目標嘛我們還是要面對目標去努力啦朝這個方向啦 但是現在看來是 如果照這樣看來是一個艱鉅的挑戰了是的 好了解 那個主委先請問 那我問一下部長好了 部長\n61383\t75976\t我問一下今天早上大家都在關心這個台積電部分因為AI晶片的部分有流入到華為那很多人在關切恐怕會被開罰10億美元部長有這樣的事嗎報告委員我想這個對這個問題我想\n81940\t99934\t台積電應該是台積電它是一個遵法 鎖法的公司對這樣的一個傳聞基本上我們經濟部是不予評論這件事情但是我們相信經濟部有掌握到這件事情嗎\n100694\t123588\t經濟部因為沒有收到這方面的報告所以沒有得到任何這樣的訊息沒有收到這樣的報告我也認為以台積電這麼大的一個國際級的公司他應該很謹慎小心他也很清楚美國的底線他也很知道這些晶片流入華為的嚴重性我們認為台積電會犯下這樣的錯誤所以我認為我對這樣的訊息其實我是懷疑的同時間我對台積電是有信心的對這個傳聞的訊息未經證實我們不予評論\n127892\t128817\t不予評論 不過部長應該對台積電有信心吧\n131567\t158909\t台積電我們當然是非常有信心對手法對清楚尊規然後對各地各國的法令都非常的清楚而且遵守的一個廠商我相信他們不會輕忽這件事情我也不認為他們會這麼的輕忽讓這個晶片流到華為去然後犯下了美國這麼在乎這件事情是的所以我認為我對台積電是有信心部長應該對台積電有信心吧\n159469\t177319\t非常有信心 非常有信心 很好再來我請教一下 現在也有在提到說川普說如果台積電威脅台積電如果不到美國設廠的話 課徵百分之百的關稅部長我們怎麼 這是川普所講的 但未來我們會做很多的一些談判的過程這個我們應該會來協助溝通跟協助這個台積電吧\n183922\t189904\t我想我們這個台積電他對他所承諾的事情我們相信台積電一定會做到\n192108\t218369\t對 所以如果有這樣的百分之百的關稅這對台積電來說我講的是接下來我們會有很多的談判的小組會去跟美國做溝通我們希望讓美國讓川普這邊更知道怎麼樣讓台灣跟美國之間創造一個好的一個環境而不是造成更大的一些來 部長請說是 報告委員我想大家都非常清楚\n219349\t236725\t台灣跟美國之間的科技是互補的也就是說一個產品能夠在市場上面賣得很好美國只扮演研究的角色台灣是扮演發展跟製造\n238373\t255581\t的這個角色所以這個是完全互補也就是台灣有台灣的優勢啦台灣的不管我們的人才不管我們的各方面我們有很多我們的優勢這個部分其實未來透過談判小組我們希望讓川普讓美國這邊更清楚怎麼樣達到一個雙贏的目的而能夠而不是讓\n257791\t282251\t我希望這一塊未來談判小組持續來努力是 他們會把握到接下來我問一下談判小組接下來會來跟美國這邊溝通嗎我們的順位應該滿前面的嘛因為很多國家都要跟美國來做溝通我想我們的順位應該在很前面對 因為我們跟美國的貿易這個數字是相當大的嘛而且我相信美國也很在乎不過從我們沒有被列入到這個十大的這個應該是美國對我們之間還算是有一定的信心\n284056\t307639\t我們跟美國一直維持良好的溝通所以在這一方面我們要傳達國人的這個想法或者是談判代表需要能夠提早跟美國進入談判的這個過程我想美國他一個國家這些人他要對五六十個國家甚至七八十個所以我們的順序應該前面也很重要順序一定是在前面\n308280\t320148\t那我問一下這個談判小組裡面部長會參與進去嗎還是我們經濟部的哪些人會參與進來談判小組的組成包括前往美國溝通部長你會去嗎\n322315\t345040\t我到目前是沒有受到這樣的一個命令但是部長也會做準備啦反正我想部長、次長包括各相關的因為經濟部是一個重要的我們是一個團隊啦那有必要我們那個角色扮演我想我們都會善盡自己的職責不過部長跟次長跟經濟部團隊都已經做好萬全的準備了嘛我們在提供訊息方面我們確實是做好萬全準備\n345740\t367841\t那另外賴總統其實也提到了除了從零關稅談起以外其他也提到了包括對於軍事的採購甚至投資美國我想這個都是啦減少美國的貿易赤字減少他們利差我想這也是一個努力的方向創造多元的方向那我們對於美國的採購的天然氣這個部分會持續來進行嗎\n369876\t387607\t這個是項目之一啦項目之一啦那其他的部分呢包括像農產品的部分也會持續來加強做採購嗎我們對可以採購的部分我們當然是加強但是以國內的產業不受影響的前提作為我們這個努力的方向\n388327\t411379\t這個當然是必然的啦 盡量減緩對於國內產業但是現在看來有些一定會受到衝擊那衝擊的時候也希望經濟部善加運用政府的這個880億甚至更多資源來協助他們度過這一波的難關是的我想這個部分我們會持續的來這是我們優先項目這個優先項目那部長 那之前他傳五月份要前往嘛這個就尊重行政院整體的規劃嘛 對不對\n413266\t424997\t這個是行政院整理規劃整理規劃我們是動態的運作部長也做好準備就是說行政院請部長出發部長就前往這個都是大家我們是一個team一個團隊什麼時候上場\n428560\t448554\t這個就是由這個總教練也就是說就像剛剛部長提到的不管是請你當先發當這個中繼甚至上最後的終結者這個我想行政院我們隨時都是準備的部長就做好你的角色嘛每一個部長次長各單位的都扮演好每個角色都是一樣\n449795\t474332\t好 謝謝 那再來我請教一下 有很多人說應該要投資中國這個時間點有些人士 國民黨某些人士說投資中國甚至於應該要對美國採取比較對抗的態度然後跟中國走比較近的路 部長同意這樣的看法嗎所有的輿論 所有的談話 我們都給予參考 尊重\n475362\t491958\t尊重啊,那部長認同這樣的看法嗎?基本上因為我們跟美國其中有一個非常重要的就是紅色供應鏈必須要避開這是美國對我們的出國安全的一個非常重大的要求\n493530\t512246\t那紅色供應鏈其實是我們現在必須要檢視的所以如果在這個前提之下你要然後再來就是美國從中國輸出到美國的關稅那麼高100多%我相信我們讓我們的這個業者去中國投資他可能也不願意吧\n514544\t538824\t光一個民主的國家 光一個專制的國家裡面說 官制的國家很多已經受制於人所決定啦光這樣的一個經濟的體制上面來說 我當然會比較相信是一個民主的體制是一個比較安全的除川普以外 川普旁邊還有很多的國會嘛 他還有國會的機制還有人民的機制可以去處理這個當然是一個相對比較安全的 而且這裡是一個長期的民主夥伴關係嘛\n539665\t568147\t那中共可能就是聽了就是習近平一個人的決定而已這是一個高風險更何況現在中共內部的問題也相當的多嘛所以我認為現在去講所謂的這個親中然後跟抗美這樣路線我是非常不認同的啦我認為其實當然我們也不會刻意去跟中共為敵啦但是對於你要去抗美親中這樣路線我想這個是完全背離台灣最大利益的我想應該比如說我們的國人業者也會對他的這個利益考量啦\n569048\t585310\t那我們基本上還是協助他能夠避開這個經營上面的這個風險這個是我們經濟部會做的事好最後一個因為扣件其實對於影響相當大我們的扣件有523因為受到衝擊我也希望\n586352\t603633\t經濟部要來加重來協助來看怎麼來處理當然我們有競爭對手的關係也跟美國之間的關係但我希望這一塊經濟部能夠特別的去重視特別擴建都在高雄跟台南這邊南台灣那影響相當重大我們會每一家公司都去訪問我們也希望用專案的方式來協助這些擴建業者來渡過這一波難關好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝主席 請劉主委跟郭部長劉主委 郭部長我先請教一下劉主委主委我先請教一下因為最近這個包括川普美國川普這邊提高關稅的部分那我們原先預估我們今年的經濟成長率其實可以超過3那這個會不會受到影響以現在這樣的狀況現在來評估的話會受到影響會受到影響 可能保3會有問題嗎\n如果照現在這樣狀況的話 對 寶山會有問題寶山會有問題 但是我們還是希望透過一些措施 刺激國內的一方面跟美國做一些談判 一方面投入8811 甚至未來更多的也希望 寶山應該還是我們的目標嘛我們還是要面對目標去努力啦朝這個方向啦 但是現在看來是 如果照這樣看來是一個艱鉅的挑戰了是的 好了解 那個主委先請問 那我問一下部長好了 部長\n我問一下今天早上大家都在關心這個台積電部分因為AI晶片的部分有流入到華為那很多人在關切恐怕會被開罰10億美元部長有這樣的事嗎報告委員我想這個對這個問題我想\n台積電應該是台積電它是一個遵法 鎖法的公司對這樣的一個傳聞基本上我們經濟部是不予評論這件事情但是我們相信經濟部有掌握到這件事情嗎\n經濟部因為沒有收到這方面的報告所以沒有得到任何這樣的訊息沒有收到這樣的報告我也認為以台積電這麼大的一個國際級的公司他應該很謹慎小心他也很清楚美國的底線他也很知道這些晶片流入華為的嚴重性我們認為台積電會犯下這樣的錯誤所以我認為我對這樣的訊息其實我是懷疑的同時間我對台積電是有信心的對這個傳聞的訊息未經證實我們不予評論\n不予評論 不過部長應該對台積電有信心吧\n台積電我們當然是非常有信心對手法對清楚尊規然後對各地各國的法令都非常的清楚而且遵守的一個廠商我相信他們不會輕忽這件事情我也不認為他們會這麼的輕忽讓這個晶片流到華為去然後犯下了美國這麼在乎這件事情是的所以我認為我對台積電是有信心部長應該對台積電有信心吧\n非常有信心 非常有信心 很好再來我請教一下 現在也有在提到說川普說如果台積電威脅台積電如果不到美國設廠的話 課徵百分之百的關稅部長我們怎麼 這是川普所講的 但未來我們會做很多的一些談判的過程這個我們應該會來協助溝通跟協助這個台積電吧\n我想我們這個台積電他對他所承諾的事情我們相信台積電一定會做到\n對 所以如果有這樣的百分之百的關稅這對台積電來說我講的是接下來我們會有很多的談判的小組會去跟美國做溝通我們希望讓美國讓川普這邊更知道怎麼樣讓台灣跟美國之間創造一個好的一個環境而不是造成更大的一些來 部長請說是 報告委員我想大家都非常清楚\n台灣跟美國之間的科技是互補的也就是說一個產品能夠在市場上面賣得很好美國只扮演研究的角色台灣是扮演發展跟製造\n的這個角色所以這個是完全互補也就是台灣有台灣的優勢啦台灣的不管我們的人才不管我們的各方面我們有很多我們的優勢這個部分其實未來透過談判小組我們希望讓川普讓美國這邊更清楚怎麼樣達到一個雙贏的目的而能夠而不是讓\n我希望這一塊未來談判小組持續來努力是 他們會把握到接下來我問一下談判小組接下來會來跟美國這邊溝通嗎我們的順位應該滿前面的嘛因為很多國家都要跟美國來做溝通我想我們的順位應該在很前面對 因為我們跟美國的貿易這個數字是相當大的嘛而且我相信美國也很在乎不過從我們沒有被列入到這個十大的這個應該是美國對我們之間還算是有一定的信心\n我們跟美國一直維持良好的溝通所以在這一方面我們要傳達國人的這個想法或者是談判代表需要能夠提早跟美國進入談判的這個過程我想美國他一個國家這些人他要對五六十個國家甚至七八十個所以我們的順序應該前面也很重要順序一定是在前面\n那我問一下這個談判小組裡面部長會參與進去嗎還是我們經濟部的哪些人會參與進來談判小組的組成包括前往美國溝通部長你會去嗎\n我到目前是沒有受到這樣的一個命令但是部長也會做準備啦反正我想部長、次長包括各相關的因為經濟部是一個重要的我們是一個團隊啦那有必要我們那個角色扮演我想我們都會善盡自己的職責不過部長跟次長跟經濟部團隊都已經做好萬全的準備了嘛我們在提供訊息方面我們確實是做好萬全準備\n那另外賴總統其實也提到了除了從零關稅談起以外其他也提到了包括對於軍事的採購甚至投資美國我想這個都是啦減少美國的貿易赤字減少他們利差我想這也是一個努力的方向創造多元的方向那我們對於美國的採購的天然氣這個部分會持續來進行嗎\n這個是項目之一啦項目之一啦那其他的部分呢包括像農產品的部分也會持續來加強做採購嗎我們對可以採購的部分我們當然是加強但是以國內的產業不受影響的前提作為我們這個努力的方向\n這個當然是必然的啦 盡量減緩對於國內產業但是現在看來有些一定會受到衝擊那衝擊的時候也希望經濟部善加運用政府的這個880億甚至更多資源來協助他們度過這一波的難關是的我想這個部分我們會持續的來這是我們優先項目這個優先項目那部長 那之前他傳五月份要前往嘛這個就尊重行政院整體的規劃嘛 對不對\n這個是行政院整理規劃整理規劃我們是動態的運作部長也做好準備就是說行政院請部長出發部長就前往這個都是大家我們是一個team一個團隊什麼時候上場\n這個就是由這個總教練也就是說就像剛剛部長提到的不管是請你當先發當這個中繼甚至上最後的終結者這個我想行政院我們隨時都是準備的部長就做好你的角色嘛每一個部長次長各單位的都扮演好每個角色都是一樣\n好 謝謝 那再來我請教一下 有很多人說應該要投資中國這個時間點有些人士 國民黨某些人士說投資中國甚至於應該要對美國採取比較對抗的態度然後跟中國走比較近的路 部長同意這樣的看法嗎所有的輿論 所有的談話 我們都給予參考 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因為我們跟美國的貿易這個數字是相當大的嘛而且我相信美國也很在乎不過從我們沒有被列入到這個十大的這個應該是美國對我們之間還算是有一定的信心"},{"start":284.056,"end":307.639,"text":"我們跟美國一直維持良好的溝通所以在這一方面我們要傳達國人的這個想法或者是談判代表需要能夠提早跟美國進入談判的這個過程我想美國他一個國家這些人他要對五六十個國家甚至七八十個所以我們的順序應該前面也很重要順序一定是在前面"},{"start":308.28,"end":320.148,"text":"那我問一下這個談判小組裡面部長會參與進去嗎還是我們經濟部的哪些人會參與進來談判小組的組成包括前往美國溝通部長你會去嗎"},{"start":322.315,"end":345.04,"text":"我到目前是沒有受到這樣的一個命令但是部長也會做準備啦反正我想部長、次長包括各相關的因為經濟部是一個重要的我們是一個團隊啦那有必要我們那個角色扮演我想我們都會善盡自己的職責不過部長跟次長跟經濟部團隊都已經做好萬全的準備了嘛我們在提供訊息方面我們確實是做好萬全準備"},{"start":345.74,"end":367.841,"text":"那另外賴總統其實也提到了除了從零關稅談起以外其他也提到了包括對於軍事的採購甚至投資美國我想這個都是啦減少美國的貿易赤字減少他們利差我想這也是一個努力的方向創造多元的方向那我們對於美國的採購的天然氣這個部分會持續來進行嗎"},{"start":369.876,"end":387.607,"text":"這個是項目之一啦項目之一啦那其他的部分呢包括像農產品的部分也會持續來加強做採購嗎我們對可以採購的部分我們當然是加強但是以國內的產業不受影響的前提作為我們這個努力的方向"},{"start":388.327,"end":411.379,"text":"這個當然是必然的啦 盡量減緩對於國內產業但是現在看來有些一定會受到衝擊那衝擊的時候也希望經濟部善加運用政府的這個880億甚至更多資源來協助他們度過這一波的難關是的我想這個部分我們會持續的來這是我們優先項目這個優先項目那部長 那之前他傳五月份要前往嘛這個就尊重行政院整體的規劃嘛 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