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00:01:05,118\n大家也知道光光啊當然景氣好光光的心情會不一樣那景氣不好當然光光就會低落這個那今天本席啊也不是在指責部長也不是在指責署長或董事長但是我們就彼此之間要互相把所有的見解跟所有的需要提供\n\n4\n00:01:05,999 --> 00:01:33,296\n給我們主管機關來做參佐然後做列入未來的政策方向如何去做本席一向是非常理性的問政那指責太多對事情也沒有幫助可是建言之後當然有所改變這是我們的啟示也是我們的希望我們大家部長\n\n5\n00:01:34,775 --> 00:01:55,006\n你也知道嘛現在旅遊業觀光業現在是非常慘的啦不要我講我相信你們比我更了解可是慘之中也不能說什麼都不做那什麼都不做會更慘那什麼只要有因應之道或者方法去解決那當然\n\n6\n00:01:56,187 --> 00:02:17,590\n只有產制不會產產產所以這個部分我要代替這些有關觀光業的這些包括旅行業等等要特別跟部長來報告他們的收入入不敷出了所以部長要特別特別的去注意這些\n\n7\n00:02:19,059 --> 00:02:44,744\n另外我們大家知道啦我們一直在講說我們上千人的不管是國外或國內的旅客我相信部長這個也不是指責啦你還敢保證我們還有這麼多人來嗎所以我也不要你回答但是心知肚明大家彼此之間有默契我相信我們一估的數據是絕對不可能達到\n\n8\n00:02:46,064 --> 00:03:00,323\n但是你最起碼不要下滑的太厲害這是很重要的好那我現在要跟部長跟署長來探討的就是國際旅客回訪率的問題\n\n9\n00:03:02,335 --> 00:03:28,700\n我們國內啊到國外去旅遊它回訪率啊是非常之高喔我們計我們的統計它有87%啊到日本去它還想到日本去到韓國去它還想到韓國去這有87%不知道另外我們來過台灣想要回訪率的只有五成二\n\n10\n00:03:30,243 --> 00:03:45,636\n當然及格啦但是比國外來講在整個觀光的這些景氣來講跟觀光的數據來講我們是遜色很多啦遜色很多所以這個部分我要請教部長\n\n11\n00:03:46,757 --> 00:04:00,707\n為什麼回訪率會這麼低有什麼因應之道這也是我很在意的如果台灣真的好玩或者是品質真的非常好我相信旅客來了一次會再來一次甚至還會再帶其他的親戚朋友一起來\n\n12\n00:04:01,508 --> 00:04:24,828\n那如果他們回訪率低對台灣的旅遊業來講就是一個簡訊整體的觀光的問題要從品質下去解決啦這個要從打底開始我們觀光的品質讓旅客來會不會喜歡是我們的整體社會環境的氛圍那也是我們的整體的服務的品質的問題所以針對人才的部分我覺得這個打底的工作要做所以我們年底研訓院要準備要來推出\n\n13\n00:04:25,609 --> 00:04:44,883\n我點出這個問題就是讓你在做政策有所思考啦是是當然所以因為我們有觀光署在整個管理方面當然要做適度的調整好適度的調整當然我們還是希望只要立法委員提出來是提供給你們做參考你們就會針對這個問題回訪力的問題當然這個就部長你所講的我贊成\n\n14\n00:04:51,388 --> 00:05:20,988\n就包括交通啊包括整個景點的規劃啊CP值啊這等等都是涵蓋在內的整體品質了好那部長另外一個就是我們確實是下跌的我們這個消費的消費力確實是下跌那為什麼會下跌當然就包括我們的觀光逆差還有我們留在台灣的天數是不斷在減少喔\n\n15\n00:05:22,088 --> 00:05:44,021\n為什麼要不斷減少當然或許剛才你所講的這個是有關係啦是有關係所以部長我們今天既然要談這些包括觀光逆差的部分我們都要把它考慮下去因為我們沒有優點就沒有人要來有它的特色就有人要來所以這個問題應該部長是\n\n16\n00:05:46,943 --> 00:06:11,505\n是都很了解啦好另外一個就是在旅遊的部分國人的住宿旅遊觀光署我要跟桌署長勉勵一下真的不能束手無策啦這裡面為什麼我要講到這裡最主要是因為包括機票\n\n17\n00:06:13,024 --> 00:06:41,884\n浮動機票包括包括住宿費也是浮動我就曾經接到接到一個一個陳情啊早上他訂了下午他進駐的時候說浮動價錢我本來訂的是三千五結果晚上客滿以後變成七千塊這是什麼就剛才部長你所講的這叫做CP值還有所有的管理出問題\n\n18\n00:06:43,072 --> 00:06:56,392\n所以有些我們國人就是這樣啊我們國人說我寧願到國外去都不願在國內旅遊為什麼因為我在台灣住一夜到國外去可以住三夜\n\n19\n00:06:58,072 --> 00:07:15,095\n這些會用所以這個是一個非常非常嚴重的問題還有何警長雖然我沒有請上來但可能你也要監督一下尤其航空公司他的浮動機票這對消費者是不公平的啦\n\n20\n00:07:15,996 --> 00:07:33,271\n怎麼會怎麼會早上這個價錢下午這個價錢不可以這樣部長你要把這個問題因為你剛才已經講過品質跟讓人家感覺非常重要所以在這個部分我還是要建議部長雖然小事我常主張啊\n\n21\n00:07:33,991 --> 00:07:41,254\n小事解決就沒有大事現在就是累積小事變成大事這個問題拜託補充輸充你們要想一個辦法\n\n22\n00:07:47,377 --> 00:08:14,743\n想一個辦法不能說一攤什麼事情都不管存在的問題就是這些嘛就是最近啊因為我從里長議員開始辦自強活動辦了很多我記得到台東花蓮去欸以前一塊的一塊的1500塊哇菜真好啊現在一塊的3000塊啊那個菜也很不好也不新鮮為什麼因為他沒有客人\n\n23\n00:08:15,936 --> 00:08:43,830\n他沒有客人那沒有客人他就是什麼他就把價格提高把質量減少這就是什麼剛才保證你說的說拚錢嘛所以就會產生這個問題所以我還是要拜託部長在這裡可能觀光的部分要特別特別去注意留意好不好來楊董事長來我幾個問題這個跟機場管理啦當然你也很認真啦因為\n\n24\n00:08:45,273 --> 00:09:14,062\n前幾天我們也剛去考察確確實實在我們P3的第三機場確實這個工作很繁重但是在這裡我特別就是我比較納悶的從今年2月18號跟3月28號第一航廈第二航廈我們的這個行李的這些運轉為什麼沒有那麼久為什麼會出紕落來董事長\n\n25\n00:09:15,649 --> 00:09:27,184\n幾次的行李輸送或者運轉的系統會有的塞機或者塞車的狀況還有兩個因素一個是設備壞掉嘛我們花了12億多耶當時例如花了12億多耶\n\n26\n00:09:33,012 --> 00:09:50,831\n市長在派這國外的人來他什麼感覺所以這個部長你要注意然後董事長你也不要答覆我這個部分要特別提供給你該檢修的就要檢修另外一個就是最近啊也就是食安的問題我們什麼什麼\n\n27\n00:09:54,695 --> 00:10:04,085\n在二航廈裡面有一些食安的問題國際的地方國際的門面怎麼可以把腐爛的東西讓國際觀光客\n\n28\n00:10:06,246 --> 00:10:23,840\n那個會贏效國際的耶所以你寧願收高一點就不能用爛貨去給國際旅客去吃所以我要拜託楊董事長這個部分你也要趕快去把它調查清楚把它約束所以我贊同部長\n\n29\n00:10:25,021 --> 00:10:39,892\n任何一個觀光的起飛一定要管理非常重要所以我要拜託部長小事擠多了以後就變大事所以部長我一向對於不管你在建設也好\n\n30\n00:10:40,512 --> 00:11:09,515\n不管你在做整個這些管理也好我是對你充滿信心我不希望就是每到立法院我們對你的期待你都讓我們落空這樣的話我們的觀光產業也不會上來我們的國際機場也沒有辦法去讓人家認同為世界名列前茅的機場所以要拜託楊董事長很辛苦沒有錯但是要把更細膩的管理要把它\n\n31\n00:11:10,316 --> 00:11:21,071\n作為更完善以上希望部長希望董事長能夠在這個部分要去認真一點然後加油一點好不好好謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3203\t12010\t好 主席請我們陳部長周署長我請部長署長楊 機場公司楊董事長\n20560\t37854\t委員好部長署長董事長我想今天當然跟你們談這些國際觀光的問題當然心裡面有所沉重因為可以看得出來這些高關稅以後\n38815\t65118\t大家也知道光光啊當然景氣好光光的心情會不一樣那景氣不好當然光光就會低落這個那今天本席啊也不是在指責部長也不是在指責署長或董事長但是我們就彼此之間要互相把所有的見解跟所有的需要提供\n65999\t93296\t給我們主管機關來做參佐然後做列入未來的政策方向如何去做本席一向是非常理性的問政那指責太多對事情也沒有幫助可是建言之後當然有所改變這是我們的啟示也是我們的希望我們大家部長\n94775\t115006\t你也知道嘛現在旅遊業 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主席請我們陳部長周署長我請部長署長楊 機場公司楊董事長\n委員好部長署長董事長我想今天當然跟你們談這些國際觀光的問題當然心裡面有所沉重因為可以看得出來這些高關稅以後\n大家也知道光光啊當然景氣好光光的心情會不一樣那景氣不好當然光光就會低落這個那今天本席啊也不是在指責部長也不是在指責署長或董事長但是我們就彼此之間要互相把所有的見解跟所有的需要提供\n給我們主管機關來做參佐然後做列入未來的政策方向如何去做本席一向是非常理性的問政那指責太多對事情也沒有幫助可是建言之後當然有所改變這是我們的啟示也是我們的希望我們大家部長\n你也知道嘛現在旅遊業 觀光業現在是非常慘的啦不要我講我相信你們比我更了解可是慘之中也不能說什麼都不做那什麼都不做會更慘那什麼只要有因應之道或者方法去解決那當然\n只有產制不會產產產所以這個部分我要代替這些有關觀光業的這些包括旅行業等等要特別跟部長來報告他們的收入入不敷出了所以部長要特別特別的去注意這些\n另外我們大家知道啦我們一直在講說我們上千人的不管是國外或國內的旅客我相信部長這個也不是指責啦你還敢保證我們還有這麼多人來嗎所以我也不要你回答但是心知肚明大家彼此之間有默契我相信我們一估的數據是絕對不可能達到\n但是你最起碼不要下滑的太厲害這是很重要的好 那我現在要跟部長跟署長來探討的就是國際旅客回訪率的問題\n我們國內啊 到國外去旅遊它回訪率啊 是非常之高喔我們計我們的統計 它有87%啊到日本去 它還想到日本去到韓國去 它還想到韓國去這有87% 不知道另外 我們來過台灣想要回訪率的 只有五成二\n當然及格啦但是比國外來講在整個觀光的這些景氣來講跟觀光的數據來講我們是遜色很多啦遜色很多所以這個部分我要請教部長\n為什麼回訪率會這麼低有什麼因應之道這也是我很在意的如果台灣真的好玩或者是品質真的非常好我相信旅客來了一次會再來一次甚至還會再帶其他的親戚朋友一起來\n那如果他們回訪率低對台灣的旅遊業來講就是一個簡訊整體的觀光的問題要從品質下去解決啦這個要從打底開始我們觀光的品質讓旅客來會不會喜歡是我們的整體社會環境的氛圍那也是我們的整體的服務的品質的問題所以針對人才的部分我覺得這個打底的工作要做所以我們年底研訓院要準備要來推出\n我點出這個問題就是讓你在做政策有所思考啦是是當然所以因為我們有觀光署在整個管理方面當然要做適度的調整好適度的調整當然我們還是希望只要立法委員提出來是提供給你們做參考你們就會針對這個問題回訪力的問題當然這個就部長你所講的我贊成\n就包括交通啊包括整個景點的規劃啊CP值啊這等等都是涵蓋在內的整體品質了好那部長另外一個就是我們確實是下跌的我們這個消費的消費力確實是下跌那為什麼會下跌當然就包括我們的觀光逆差還有我們留在台灣的天數是不斷在減少喔\n為什麼要不斷減少當然或許剛才你所講的這個是有關係啦是有關係所以部長我們今天既然要談這些包括觀光逆差的部分我們都要把它考慮下去因為我們沒有優點就沒有人要來有它的特色就有人要來所以這個問題應該部長是\n是都很了解啦好另外一個就是在旅遊的部分國人的住宿旅遊觀光署我要跟桌署長勉勵一下真的不能束手無策啦這裡面為什麼我要講到這裡最主要是因為包括機票\n浮動機票包括包括住宿費也是浮動我就曾經接到接到一個一個陳情啊早上他訂了下午他進駐的時候說浮動價錢我本來訂的是三千五結果晚上客滿以後變成七千塊這是什麼就剛才部長你所講的這叫做CP值還有所有的管理出問題\n所以有些我們國人就是這樣啊我們國人說我寧願到國外去都不願在國內旅遊為什麼因為我在台灣住一夜到國外去可以住三夜\n這些會用所以這個是一個非常非常嚴重的問題還有何警長雖然我沒有請上來但可能你也要監督一下尤其航空公司他的浮動機票這對消費者是不公平的啦\n怎麼會怎麼會早上這個價錢下午這個價錢不可以這樣部長你要把這個問題因為你剛才已經講過品質跟讓人家感覺非常重要所以在這個部分我還是要建議部長雖然小事我常主張啊\n小事解決就沒有大事現在就是累積小事變成大事這個問題拜託補充 輸充你們要想一個辦法\n想一個辦法不能說一攤什麼事情都不管存在的問題就是這些嘛就是最近啊因為我從里長議員開始辦自強活動辦了很多我記得到台東花蓮去欸以前一塊的一塊的1500塊哇菜真好啊現在一塊的3000塊啊那個菜也很不好也不新鮮為什麼因為他沒有客人\n他沒有客人那沒有客人他就是什麼他就把價格提高把質量減少這就是什麼剛才保證你說的說拚錢嘛所以就會產生這個問題所以我還是要拜託部長在這裡可能觀光的部分要特別特別去注意留意好不好來楊董事長來我幾個問題這個跟機場管理啦當然你也很認真啦因為\n前幾天我們也剛去考察確確實實在我們P3的第三機場確實這個工作很繁重但是在這裡我特別就是我比較納悶的從今年2月18號跟3月28號第一航廈 第二航廈我們的這個行李的這些運轉為什麼沒有那麼久為什麼會出紕落來 董事長\n幾次的行李輸送或者運轉的系統會有的塞機或者塞車的狀況還有兩個因素一個是設備壞掉嘛我們花了12億多耶當時例如花了12億多耶\n市長在派這國外的人來他什麼感覺所以這個部長你要注意然後董事長你也不要答覆我這個部分要特別提供給你該檢修的就要檢修另外一個就是最近啊也就是食安的問題我們什麼什麼\n在二航廈裡面有一些食安的問題國際的地方 國際的門面怎麼可以把腐爛的東西讓國際觀光客\n那個會贏效國際的耶所以你寧願收高一點就不能用爛貨去給國際旅客去吃所以我要拜託楊董事長這個部分你也要趕快去把它調查清楚把它約束所以我贊同部長\n任何一個觀光的起飛一定要管理非常重要所以我要拜託部長小事擠多了以後就變大事所以部長我一向對於不管你在建設也好\n不管你在做整個這些管理也好我是對你充滿信心我不希望就是每到立法院我們對你的期待你都讓我們落空這樣的話我們的觀光產業也不會上來我們的國際機場也沒有辦法去讓人家認同為世界名列前茅的機場所以要拜託楊董事長很辛苦沒有錯但是要把更細膩的管理要把它\n作為更完善 以上希望部長 希望董事長能夠在這個部分要去認真一點然後加油一點 好不好好 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.203 --> 00:12.010\n好主席請我們陳部長周署長我請部長署長楊機場公司楊董事長\n\n00:20.560 --> 00:37.854\n委員好部長署長董事長我想今天當然跟你們談這些國際觀光的問題當然心裡面有所沉重因為可以看得出來這些高關稅以後\n\n00:38.815 --> 01:05.118\n大家也知道光光啊當然景氣好光光的心情會不一樣那景氣不好當然光光就會低落這個那今天本席啊也不是在指責部長也不是在指責署長或董事長但是我們就彼此之間要互相把所有的見解跟所有的需要提供\n\n01:05.999 --> 01:33.296\n給我們主管機關來做參佐然後做列入未來的政策方向如何去做本席一向是非常理性的問政那指責太多對事情也沒有幫助可是建言之後當然有所改變這是我們的啟示也是我們的希望我們大家部長\n\n01:34.775 --> 01:55.006\n你也知道嘛現在旅遊業觀光業現在是非常慘的啦不要我講我相信你們比我更了解可是慘之中也不能說什麼都不做那什麼都不做會更慘那什麼只要有因應之道或者方法去解決那當然\n\n01:56.187 --> 02:17.590\n只有產制不會產產產所以這個部分我要代替這些有關觀光業的這些包括旅行業等等要特別跟部長來報告他們的收入入不敷出了所以部長要特別特別的去注意這些\n\n02:19.059 --> 02:44.744\n另外我們大家知道啦我們一直在講說我們上千人的不管是國外或國內的旅客我相信部長這個也不是指責啦你還敢保證我們還有這麼多人來嗎所以我也不要你回答但是心知肚明大家彼此之間有默契我相信我們一估的數據是絕對不可能達到\n\n02:46.064 --> 03:00.323\n但是你最起碼不要下滑的太厲害這是很重要的好那我現在要跟部長跟署長來探討的就是國際旅客回訪率的問題\n\n03:02.335 --> 03:28.700\n我們國內啊到國外去旅遊它回訪率啊是非常之高喔我們計我們的統計它有87%啊到日本去它還想到日本去到韓國去它還想到韓國去這有87%不知道另外我們來過台灣想要回訪率的只有五成二\n\n03:30.243 --> 03:45.636\n當然及格啦但是比國外來講在整個觀光的這些景氣來講跟觀光的數據來講我們是遜色很多啦遜色很多所以這個部分我要請教部長\n\n03:46.757 --> 04:00.707\n為什麼回訪率會這麼低有什麼因應之道這也是我很在意的如果台灣真的好玩或者是品質真的非常好我相信旅客來了一次會再來一次甚至還會再帶其他的親戚朋友一起來\n\n04:01.508 --> 04:24.828\n那如果他們回訪率低對台灣的旅遊業來講就是一個簡訊整體的觀光的問題要從品質下去解決啦這個要從打底開始我們觀光的品質讓旅客來會不會喜歡是我們的整體社會環境的氛圍那也是我們的整體的服務的品質的問題所以針對人才的部分我覺得這個打底的工作要做所以我們年底研訓院要準備要來推出\n\n04:25.609 --> 04:44.883\n我點出這個問題就是讓你在做政策有所思考啦是是當然所以因為我們有觀光署在整個管理方面當然要做適度的調整好適度的調整當然我們還是希望只要立法委員提出來是提供給你們做參考你們就會針對這個問題回訪力的問題當然這個就部長你所講的我贊成\n\n04:51.388 --> 05:20.988\n就包括交通啊包括整個景點的規劃啊CP值啊這等等都是涵蓋在內的整體品質了好那部長另外一個就是我們確實是下跌的我們這個消費的消費力確實是下跌那為什麼會下跌當然就包括我們的觀光逆差還有我們留在台灣的天數是不斷在減少喔\n\n05:22.088 --> 05:44.021\n為什麼要不斷減少當然或許剛才你所講的這個是有關係啦是有關係所以部長我們今天既然要談這些包括觀光逆差的部分我們都要把它考慮下去因為我們沒有優點就沒有人要來有它的特色就有人要來所以這個問題應該部長是\n\n05:46.943 --> 06:11.505\n是都很了解啦好另外一個就是在旅遊的部分國人的住宿旅遊觀光署我要跟桌署長勉勵一下真的不能束手無策啦這裡面為什麼我要講到這裡最主要是因為包括機票\n\n06:13.024 --> 06:41.884\n浮動機票包括包括住宿費也是浮動我就曾經接到接到一個一個陳情啊早上他訂了下午他進駐的時候說浮動價錢我本來訂的是三千五結果晚上客滿以後變成七千塊這是什麼就剛才部長你所講的這叫做CP值還有所有的管理出問題\n\n06:43.072 --> 06:56.392\n所以有些我們國人就是這樣啊我們國人說我寧願到國外去都不願在國內旅遊為什麼因為我在台灣住一夜到國外去可以住三夜\n\n06:58.072 --> 07:15.095\n這些會用所以這個是一個非常非常嚴重的問題還有何警長雖然我沒有請上來但可能你也要監督一下尤其航空公司他的浮動機票這對消費者是不公平的啦\n\n07:15.996 --> 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