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Tahovecahe　　　　李坤城　　范　雲　　林宜瑾　　陳秀寳　　","二、","案由：美國總統川普4/3宣布對台32%關稅前夕，3/31美國貿易代表署（USTR）在《2025年對外貿易障礙評估報告》中，點名台灣限制美豬、美牛，馬鈴薯、基改食品等政策是「不必要的貿易障礙」，甚至直接要求我國取消學童營養午餐不得使用基改食品的禁令！","我國《學校衛生法》第23條第3項明文規定「學校供應膳食其食材應優先採用中央農業主管機關認證之在地優良農業產品，並禁止使用含基因改造生鮮食材及其初級加工品」。且教育部也在第一時間發文回應：依法禁用並落實執行。","學童健康是全民底線，並非單純貿易議題，而是台灣下一代健康的根本問題。爰要求教育部向行政院台美經貿談判小組表達，絕不會拿學童健康作為談判的籌碼，並堅持遵循《學校衛生法》第23條規定，不開放基改食品進校園，且將禁止使用含基因改造生鮮食材及其初級加工品等文字，明定於研修中之教育部版《學校供餐法草案》中。","提案人：萬美玲　　柯志恩　　葛如鈞　　"],["主席：好，我們先來處理第一案。第一案提案委員伍麗華不在，可是因為本席是連署委員，所以我要看看教育部有什麼意見、有沒有修正文字？"],["鄭部長英耀：謝謝委員、謝謝主席，第一個臨時提案是不是能夠有部分文字修正？就是案由第二行裡「此事件顯見」到「監管不力」是不是可以刪除？然後第三行的「兩周」我們可以改為「一周」。至於其他，我想就尊重委員的意見。"],["主席：這中間好像有一些筆誤：第二點第四行應該是「沒有裝設監視器、沒有證據」，但他寫……這裡可能也要修正一下，應該是「證據」，他可能寫錯，寫成「正趣」。","針對部長、教育部這邊的修正文字，本席沒有意見，那麼對於第一案，有沒有其他委員有意見？（無）如果沒有意見的話，第一案就修正通過。","第二案，提案委員有什麼說明沒有？好，請萬美玲委員。"],["萬委員美玲：謝謝召委。其實在今天早上質詢的時候，我有跟部長交換過意見啦！首先非常謝謝部長在3月31號當美國貿易代表署提出來的時候在第一時間回應，說我們目前都是依法禁用。對於我們臺灣現在被點名所謂限制美豬、美牛或者是馬鈴薯、基改食品這些，美國認為是不必要的貿易障礙，甚至直接要求我們取消現在學童營養午餐不得使用基改食品的禁令，教育部在第一時間回應說我們目前都是依法禁用，我想這點非常地好。但是本席當然也會比較擔心，因為關於基改食品的禁用，第一個，其實我們有明令在學校衛生法第二十三條當中。第二個，無論是學校營養午餐的業者也好、或者營養午餐的執秘、老師，從過去到現在已經這麼多年了，其實都嚴守著、守護著孩子的健康，所以在這個部分，既然鄭副院長即將去美國做一些溝通、談判，那我們是不是能在守住孩子健康這件事情上繼續達成共識、持續地嚴守學校衛生法第二十三條？第一點沒有問題，就是在學校供應餐食的時候，食材要能夠使用在地的優良農產品。第二個，也就是在禁止使用含基因改造的生鮮食材及其初級加工品這個部分，希望教育部能夠一本過往到現在守護孩子的初衷，也能跟赴美團講。我想，守住孩子的健康是我們大家共同的堅持，所以做這個臨時提案。我也希望未來新的學校營養午餐專法出來的時候，當中能夠明定禁止基改食品，以及遵守過去在學校衛生法第二十三條中的相關規範。那就看教育部這邊的意見。"],["主席：好，教育部有沒有補充說明？"],["鄭部長英耀：謝謝委員、謝謝主席。有關委員所提這個提案，我們也有部分文字修正。這個精神我們基本上是認同的，但就是第二段裡邊是不是能加個「惟」，改為「惟我國《學校衛生法》」？然後第二段倒數第二行「發文回應」中，「發文」兩個字是不是也可以同意刪除？"],["萬委員美玲：那個已經刪掉了啊！已經刪了。"],["鄭部長英耀：好。","第三段就是改為「守住學童」。如同剛才委員提的，守住學童健康是全民底線，是不是加上「守住」兩個字？","另外，第三段倒數第二行「將禁止使用……」，從這個「將」到最後一行的「明定於」這段是不是能同意刪除？然後「研修中之教育部版」後增加：《高級中等以下學校午餐及飲食教育條例（草案）》不得排除學校衛生法第二十三條第三項有關「禁止使用含基因改造生鮮食材及其初級加工品」之規定。以上，懇請委員支持。"],["主席：好，其他委員有沒有意見？","請張雅琳委員。"],["張委員雅琳：我對於教育部的版本沒有什麼意見，但是有個提醒啦！因為現在還是在談判的過程之中嘛！所以教育部可能還是要跟經貿辦事處保持密切的聯絡跟聯繫。基本上我們還是尊重現行法令的規範，但是我想也要尊重教育部的行政權，所以在這邊做個提醒。謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝張雅琳委員。","還有沒有其他委員要補充說明或表達意見？","請陳培瑜委員。"],["陳委員培瑜：謝謝主席。我想要請問一下教育部，在這個提案裡面，我們看到學校衛生法第二十三條有明文規定，那麼這個明文規定目前在各縣市落實的狀況或者監督稽核的狀態是什麼？是不是目前行政措施上的執行真的可以讓我們的家長放心？可不可以請教育部說明一下？因為我在想，現在確實處於討論階段嘛！而且就算沒有專法，目前學校營養午餐除了有農業部相關的食材補助、有學校衛生法的把關，其實有非常多抽檢都在進行，在相關食安事件也確實愈來愈少的情況下，其實我也不是很確定像這樣的提案是不是不一定要提，因為我們本來就有學校衛生法第二十三條在照顧孩子們的食安這件事情，而且食安也不會只有基改問題啦！我想請教育部回應一下，謝謝。"],["主席：好，教育部說明一下。"],["鄭部長英耀：跟委員報告，謝謝委員關心。我們現在有平臺，所有營養午餐都會登錄在這個平臺。現在各縣市實際營養午餐的推動，就是直接落實在營養午餐採購契約裡邊，在這個提供食材的契約裡邊，我們要求廠商嚴格遵守三章一Q，然後是使用國有優質農產品。我想在這個部分，基本上以現況來講，我們的學童不會觸及到學校衛生法第二十三條第三項，被提供大家擔心的這些基改生鮮食材。以上。"],["主席：好。","培瑜委員，你要補充嗎？"],["陳委員培瑜：主席，我可不可以有一個不情之請？我們可不可以休息5分鐘，討論一下這個內容？因為我自己的小孩也都一直在學校吃營養午餐啦！所以我真的非常認同萬委員的擔心跟顧慮，我也知道很多家長都很擔心，因為我們確實對於基改食品不理解。那麼我們可不可以討論一下文字內容，在照顧孩子們的權益、照顧家長的食安擔憂，同時也讓衛福部真的有空間、可以好好做事的情況下，再確定這個文字內容？不知道萬委員可不可以接受我這個提議？"],["萬委員美玲：好啊！好啊！"],["主席：那就先休息。"],["陳委員培瑜：謝謝萬委員。"],["主席：好，先休息5分鐘。","休息（12時14分）","繼續開會（12時32分）"],["主席：繼續開會。","剛剛溝通的過程，對於原提案，萬美玲委員同意做一些文字修正，那麼是不是再請部長做最後文字修正的闡述？"],["鄭部長英耀：謝謝委員。是不是案由能夠將「美國」……也就是前面第一句刪除，改為「有鑑於3/31」，加「有鑑於」3個字，再接「3/31」。「美國貿易代表署……不必……」這些保留，然後把「甚至直接」改為「並」，即「並要求我國取消……營養午餐……」。"],["主席：那後面就是跟剛剛的修正一樣？"],["鄭部長英耀：是。"],["萬委員美玲：我確認一下好不好？因為部長講的不是太順。案由我把它改成：也就是第一句我同意把它刪掉，但改成「有鑑於3/31美國貿易代表署（USTR）在《2025年對外貿易障礙評估報告》中，點名台灣限制美豬、美牛、馬鈴薯、基改食品等政策是不必要的貿易障礙」，「甚至直接……」改成「並要求我國取消學童營養午餐不得使用基改食品的禁令」，然後驚嘆號改為句點。第一段改成這樣，好不好？其他部分是不是就照剛才所述？"],["主席：好，其他委員有沒有其他意見？如果這樣的話，就修正通過。","接下來繼續質詢。","請洪孟楷委員、洪孟楷、洪孟楷委員不在……喔！不好意思、不好意思，我一直看那邊，只看到徐富癸委員。","請洪孟楷委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":186,"meet_id":"聯席會議-11-3-22,20-1","speakers":["林宜瑾","葛如鈞","羅廷瑋","柯志恩","萬美玲","劉書彬","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","范雲","李坤城","吳沛憶","陳秀寳","郭昱晴","鍾佳濱","張雅琳","林楚茵","陳培瑜","洪孟楷","徐富癸","葉元之","蘇清泉","黃捷","林沛祥","林德福","顏寬恒"],"page_start":117,"meetingDate":["2025-04-09"],"gazette_id":"1143501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1143501_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化、財政委員會第1次聯席會議紀錄","content":"一、審查行政院函請審議「運動彩券發行條例第二十一條及第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案；\n二、審查委員沈發惠等19人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二條及第二十一條條文修正草案」案；\n三、審查委員葉元之等19人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二條條文修正草案」案；四、審查委員葛\n如鈞等20人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二條及第二十一條條文修正草案」案；五、審查委員羅廷\n瑋等17人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二十一條及第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案；六、審查委\n員蔡其昌等16人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二條及第二十一條條文修正草案」案；七、審查委員\n王美惠等24人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二十一條及第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案；八、審\n查委員吳思瑤等18人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二十一條及第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案；\n九、審查委員郭國文等17人擬具「運動彩券發行條例第二十一條及第二十一條之一條文修正草\n案」案","agenda_id":"1143501_00003"}}}