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00:02:32,540\n組件所以這一部分這些金額其實都是台灣的優勢商品都是台灣的優勢商品也就是說是美國的廠商委託台灣的業者幫他製造的所以這個32%的稅金只有兩個現象一個就是美國的廠商自己吸收第二個我們會幫助他們走這個9903的這個特別條款\n\n7\n00:02:35,113 --> 00:02:57,367\n這個條款裡面上面有寫明註明只要這裡面有20%這個美國的成分那麼它就可以豁免所以我們是在找各種的方法幫助台灣的業者可以暫時不適用這樣的一個條款第二個呢有很多的廠商他比較擔心那我現在已經出貨了會不會打碎\n\n8\n00:02:58,227 --> 00:03:18,340\n我剛才有聽過的我們要往下一頁我剛才很高興聽到部長您有說到就是說尤其是在電子自動產品當中是屬於半成品的地方很多那也就試著要爭取說有這20%是屬於美國製造的這部分的話那就是用貨品關稅那就是我下一頁的地方就是要談到的是在說就是請大家\n\n9\n00:03:19,501 --> 00:03:42,664\n經濟部或是我們國家在做對美的這個談判當中要加重這一邊尤其這個互補性這部分呢那是全球供應業的角色在台灣裡面的不可或缺所以已經往這邊降低關稅或爭取豁免我覺得國家政府這邊往這邊做是值得肯定的好謝謝然後在下一個部分呢我想要談的這個重點在於說因為您在報告當中有提到就是在下來部分下下\n\n10\n00:03:44,059 --> 00:04:06,074\n重點在於說要去增加因為增加說對多元的一種配備這個多元開拓市場就對了因為從這個資料剛剛看到了2018年的時候其實是有大概是大概是40%左右的這樣子的一個對中跟對美那後來中有向下來那美國又上升的\n\n11\n00:04:06,454 --> 00:04:27,541\n但是現在2024年的時候呢我們看到的是它已經增加到的是43%增加多了所以你這多元分散其中還是在集中在中國跟美國的情況之下呢這個部分是在把雞蛋放在一個籃子上面那我想要詢問的是說既然這是有100億要作為開拓的多元市場那請問新市場的這個對象國\n\n12\n00:04:29,662 --> 00:04:41,457\n是在哪裡那這樣我們有競爭力嗎這是我的重點我們在新市場的地方大概是放在三個地方第一個就是歐洲第二個印度土耳其哇\n\n13\n00:04:42,352 --> 00:05:02,371\n好謝謝這是非常好那基本上真的很可行那現在就是目標性就往這邊去就對了是好謝謝那非常好知道得到這個看到讓廠商會有這樣的一個希望那另外我們再往下看齁這個部分我想要請國防會主委劉主委請你上台一下那同樣就是這個部長你請在旁邊這部分劉主委\n\n14\n00:05:03,152 --> 00:05:21,409\n那同樣的情況之下問一下那對於這邊也是說要調整供應鏈嘛這是國發會的報告嘛那這種情況之下你跟經濟部的合作分工狀況是怎麼樣還有在要特別提升AI競爭力那國科會當中呢也有不然就講國科會的分工好了就請你做跟經濟部的分工是怎麼樣\n\n15\n00:05:23,598 --> 00:05:41,503\n我們是做中長期整理計畫之後我們就會跟經濟部、國科會、速發部這些只要在這個計畫內有相關的部會我們都會進行協商、分工、執行然後我們國安會是負責整合的部分所以您是做整合的部分那請問你們預算是多少呢?\n\n16\n00:05:43,088 --> 00:05:59,181\n現在這整個預算還在規劃之中那我們規劃完之後會跟院提出來一個整體的計畫報告之後我們就會會有預算的需求就會提出希望說下禮拜而是說禮拜五的時候就看到行政院長報告之後可能有出現\n\n17\n00:05:59,841 --> 00:06:20,375\n好那在下一個部分的時候也是兩位的報告兩個部會的部分報告當中就提出要增加所謂的補助研發的這個轉型那經濟部長就說您這兩百億有當作是加值台灣的中小型企業嘛那這邊我也想要請問的是說那這個部分跟國科會當中的百工百業數位轉型我覺得這方向是對的那你們怎麼進行請部長\n\n18\n00:06:24,076 --> 00:06:41,341\n在這部分200億的重點我們其實是放在我們的法人機構法人機構在做一些這個發展跟製造的部分在develop包括工研院包括我們的金屬工芯然後我們過去只是教\n\n19\n00:06:43,502 --> 00:07:00,897\n讓這個業者學但是我們要讓他習跟做就是讓他學習然後會操作新的這個技術這個是我們重點所以我們要建立很多的這個習作的場域跟買很多可以AI使用的這個設備其實我們有一個轉型的這個資料這個我們大概如果這個委員有\n\n20\n00:07:06,942 --> 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那我就想說請上一頁\n但在上一頁當中所看到的是說電子資訊產品在這邊有792億的這個美元當中這邊可不可以請部長說明一下這個部分你再點一下是不是這就是大部分都是屬於我們的是不是屬於真的是半成品你可以大致說一下嗎就是在剛才或是剛才的那幾類七八類當中\n報告委員我想這裡面呢因為電子資訊的產品它是屬於零組件的部分那像這個顯示卡這個伺服器也都是在某一個部分的一個這個\n組件所以這一部分這些金額其實都是台灣的優勢商品都是台灣的優勢商品也就是說是美國的廠商委託台灣的業者幫他製造的所以這個32%的稅金只有兩個現象一個就是美國的廠商自己吸收第二個我們會幫助他們走這個9903的這個特別條款\n這個條款裡面上面有寫明註明只要這裡面有20%這個美國的成分那麼它就可以豁免所以我們是在找各種的方法幫助台灣的業者可以暫時不適用這樣的一個條款第二個呢有很多的廠商他比較擔心那我現在已經出貨了會不會打碎\n我剛才有聽過的我們要往下一頁我剛才很高興聽到部長您有說到就是說尤其是在電子自動產品當中是屬於半成品的地方很多那也就試著要爭取說有這20%是屬於美國製造的這部分的話那就是用貨品關稅那就是我下一頁的地方就是要談到的是在說就是請大家\n經濟部或是我們國家在做對美的這個談判當中要加重這一邊尤其這個互補性這部分呢那是全球供應業的角色在台灣裡面的不可或缺所以已經往這邊降低關稅或爭取豁免我覺得國家政府這邊往這邊做是值得肯定的好謝謝然後在下一個部分呢我想要談的這個重點在於說因為您在報告當中有提到就是在下來部分下下\n重點在於說要去增加因為增加說對多元的一種配備這個多元開拓市場就對了因為從這個資料剛剛看到了2018年的時候其實是有大概是大概是40%左右的這樣子的一個對中跟對美那後來中有向下來那美國又上升的\n但是現在2024年的時候呢我們看到的是它已經增加到的是43%增加多了所以你這多元分散其中還是在集中在中國跟美國的情況之下呢這個部分是在把雞蛋放在一個籃子上面那我想要詢問的是說既然這是有100億要作為開拓的多元市場那請問新市場的這個對象國\n是在哪裡那這樣我們有競爭力嗎這是我的重點我們在新市場的地方大概是放在三個地方第一個就是歐洲第二個印度土耳其哇\n好謝謝這是非常好那基本上真的很可行那現在就是目標性就往這邊去就對了是好謝謝那非常好知道得到這個看到讓廠商會有這樣的一個希望那另外我們再往下看齁這個部分我想要請國防會主委劉主委請你上台一下那同樣就是這個部長你請在旁邊這部分劉主委\n那同樣的情況之下問一下那對於這邊也是說要調整供應鏈嘛這是國發會的報告嘛那這種情況之下你跟經濟部的合作分工狀況是怎麼樣還有在要特別提升AI競爭力那國科會當中呢也有不然就講國科會的分工好了就請你做跟經濟部的分工是怎麼樣\n我們是做中長期整理計畫之後我們就會跟經濟部、國科會、速發部這些只要在這個計畫內有相關的部會我們都會進行協商、分工、執行然後我們國安會是負責整合的部分所以您是做整合的部分那請問你們預算是多少呢?\n現在這整個預算還在規劃之中那我們規劃完之後會跟院提出來一個整體的計畫報告之後我們就會會有預算的需求就會提出希望說下禮拜 而是說禮拜五的時候就看到行政院長報告之後可能有出現\n好那在下一個部分的時候也是兩位的報告兩個部會的部分報告當中就提出要增加所謂的補助研發的這個轉型那經濟部長就說您這兩百億有當作是加值台灣的中小型企業嘛那這邊我也想要請問的是說那這個部分跟國科會當中的百工百業數位轉型我覺得這方向是對的那你們怎麼進行請部長\n在這部分200億的重點我們其實是放在我們的法人機構法人機構在做一些這個發展跟製造的部分在develop包括工研院包括我們的金屬工芯然後我們過去只是教\n讓這個業者學但是我們要讓他習跟做就是讓他學習然後會操作新的這個技術這個是我們重點所以我們要建立很多的這個習作的場域跟買很多可以AI使用的這個設備其實我們有一個轉型的這個資料這個我們大概如果這個委員有\n希望經濟部提供給我來做參考謝謝同樣的問國發會這邊你們是有提升AI競爭力提升船廠的經費這部分國發會這邊也是屬於整合嗎還是扮演什麼角色還有您跟4月4號3號之前的AI競爭力有什麼不同因為被人家說是舊瓶裝新瓶舊酒裝新瓶而已\n這個是是這樣子的這個本來就我們就有編列公務預算在執行這個部分那我們還是以國家費還是整合的單位那還是由部會來實際執行那這個但是因為針對對等關稅的影響我們會擴大這個部分的支出跟方案那經費還是還沒有預算盤點我們希望對我們現在在爭取更多的預算來做這件事\n所以在特別預算的部分要加入對不對對 我們希望是這樣好 那就謝謝兩位部會首長這邊非常辛苦來做一個這樣的分析解說 謝謝好 謝謝好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:14.697 --> 00:17.700\n那我要請經濟部的郭部長郭部長您好辛苦了您今天上午都在備群那這一部分我們現在看到今天我們看到的是會到這邊有這個報告最重要就是因為美國對我們這樣的一個對等的關稅的要求那看上個禮拜也看到說\n\n00:43.732 --> 01:10.979\n左宗泰的政府已經有提供了880億的這樣的一個因應對策那其中看到是經濟部有410億對吧那這個情況是這樣我們繼續往下看那我想要詢問的是說在下一頁看到的是美國在下一頁在美國的這個台灣對美國的貿易概況當中最主要的是這大概七八樣產業在於資通電子民主建這些部分就是已經有大概65%的這樣的一個情形\n\n01:13.300 --> 01:26.775\n好那我們想要問到的是因為從經濟日報上面的一個報導當中那所呈現出來的是說呢我們跟其他國家很不一樣的是在於我們很多是屬於半成品的內容好那我就想說請上一頁\n\n01:28.277 --> 01:48.330\n但在上一頁當中所看到的是說電子資訊產品在這邊有792億的這個美元當中這邊可不可以請部長說明一下這個部分你再點一下是不是這就是大部分都是屬於我們的是不是屬於真的是半成品你可以大致說一下嗎就是在剛才或是剛才的那幾類七八類當中\n\n01:50.273 --> 02:03.111\n報告委員我想這裡面呢因為電子資訊的產品它是屬於零組件的部分那像這個顯示卡這個伺服器也都是在某一個部分的一個這個\n\n02:05.374 --> 02:32.540\n組件所以這一部分這些金額其實都是台灣的優勢商品都是台灣的優勢商品也就是說是美國的廠商委託台灣的業者幫他製造的所以這個32%的稅金只有兩個現象一個就是美國的廠商自己吸收第二個我們會幫助他們走這個9903的這個特別條款\n\n02:35.113 --> 02:57.367\n這個條款裡面上面有寫明註明只要這裡面有20%這個美國的成分那麼它就可以豁免所以我們是在找各種的方法幫助台灣的業者可以暫時不適用這樣的一個條款第二個呢有很多的廠商他比較擔心那我現在已經出貨了會不會打碎\n\n02:58.227 --> 03:18.340\n我剛才有聽過的我們要往下一頁我剛才很高興聽到部長您有說到就是說尤其是在電子自動產品當中是屬於半成品的地方很多那也就試著要爭取說有這20%是屬於美國製造的這部分的話那就是用貨品關稅那就是我下一頁的地方就是要談到的是在說就是請大家\n\n03:19.501 --> 03:42.664\n經濟部或是我們國家在做對美的這個談判當中要加重這一邊尤其這個互補性這部分呢那是全球供應業的角色在台灣裡面的不可或缺所以已經往這邊降低關稅或爭取豁免我覺得國家政府這邊往這邊做是值得肯定的好謝謝然後在下一個部分呢我想要談的這個重點在於說因為您在報告當中有提到就是在下來部分下下\n\n03:44.059 --> 04:06.074\n重點在於說要去增加因為增加說對多元的一種配備這個多元開拓市場就對了因為從這個資料剛剛看到了2018年的時候其實是有大概是大概是40%左右的這樣子的一個對中跟對美那後來中有向下來那美國又上升的\n\n04:06.454 --> 04:27.541\n但是現在2024年的時候呢我們看到的是它已經增加到的是43%增加多了所以你這多元分散其中還是在集中在中國跟美國的情況之下呢這個部分是在把雞蛋放在一個籃子上面那我想要詢問的是說既然這是有100億要作為開拓的多元市場那請問新市場的這個對象國\n\n04:29.662 --> 04:41.457\n是在哪裡那這樣我們有競爭力嗎這是我的重點我們在新市場的地方大概是放在三個地方第一個就是歐洲第二個印度土耳其哇\n\n04:42.352 --> 05:02.371\n好謝謝這是非常好那基本上真的很可行那現在就是目標性就往這邊去就對了是好謝謝那非常好知道得到這個看到讓廠商會有這樣的一個希望那另外我們再往下看齁這個部分我想要請國防會主委劉主委請你上台一下那同樣就是這個部長你請在旁邊這部分劉主委\n\n05:03.152 --> 05:21.409\n那同樣的情況之下問一下那對於這邊也是說要調整供應鏈嘛這是國發會的報告嘛那這種情況之下你跟經濟部的合作分工狀況是怎麼樣還有在要特別提升AI競爭力那國科會當中呢也有不然就講國科會的分工好了就請你做跟經濟部的分工是怎麼樣\n\n05:23.598 --> 05:41.503\n我們是做中長期整理計畫之後我們就會跟經濟部、國科會、速發部這些只要在這個計畫內有相關的部會我們都會進行協商、分工、執行然後我們國安會是負責整合的部分所以您是做整合的部分那請問你們預算是多少呢?\n\n05:43.088 --> 05:59.181\n現在這整個預算還在規劃之中那我們規劃完之後會跟院提出來一個整體的計畫報告之後我們就會會有預算的需求就會提出希望說下禮拜而是說禮拜五的時候就看到行政院長報告之後可能有出現\n\n05:59.841 --> 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