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00:00:10,478\n我們請洪孟凱委員洪孟凱洪孟凱委員不在不好意思不好意思我一直看那邊不好意思不好意思快點許富奎\n\n2\n00:00:21,074 --> 00:00:35,477\n請主席記得雖然你是統一私密我是兄弟相迷但是我們兩個還是可以在關心教育文化體育的部分好好努力來謝謝請鄭部長跟鄭署長好有請部長署長來部長署長\n\n3\n00:00:47,967 --> 00:01:06,474\n很嚴肅的還是要講一下紐西蘭女足來台灣到最後沒有辦法舉辦比賽的這個事情所有球迷都沒有辦法接受我知道早上你已經講了丟臉兩個字但我覺得還是要釐清幾個部分跟真相以及事實還原記取這個教訓因為這真的已經是國際笑話了\n\n4\n00:01:08,996 --> 00:01:22,831\n聽說連紐西蘭他們球員那邊也都有來關心說為什麼台灣那麼先進的國家為什麼會到最後連一個場地都沒有辦法打我想請教一下到底這一個比賽什麼時候確定我們邀請紐西蘭女足來辦\n\n5\n00:01:23,712 --> 00:01:48,019\n抱怨這部分是紐西蘭主動來邀請希望來我們我國來什麼時候確定的是在11月的時候確認去年11月對去年11月10月邀請11月確認去年11月嗎對所以有大半年的時間那那個時候場地就已經確定是在南梓了嗎是那時候南梓的場地有沒有要求說要符合相關的標準\n\n6\n00:01:48,667 --> 00:02:07,980\n包委員在兩國的有這種小型的積分賽只要兩國同意就可以雖然它不是A級的場地但是是可以使用的但這是睽違五年的國際女子足球隊的一個邀請賽是包委員就是當時什麼時候開始售票\n\n7\n00:02:10,797 --> 00:02:29,945\n幫委員這部分我沒有掌握到,但是他們對於A級的場地當時的確...3月21號開始售票那什麼時候才知道這個場地真的非常不堪?4月1號他們有...他們是誰?就是紐西蘭跟竹寫他們有這樣子的一個疑慮出現,那4月5號確認無法進行4月1號?4月6號才確認\n\n8\n00:02:37,679 --> 00:03:03,186\n在這個過程裡面署長部長那我們自己的國家的女足足球隊什麼時候知道這個場地不能使用包委員這個期間女足的國家隊總教練他其實有參與討論有嗎有確定嗎選手沒有你說這個期間是指什麼時候就是他4月1號開始陸陸續續4月1號開始署長部長這就是我想表達的重點\n\n9\n00:03:04,594 --> 00:03:28,406\n人家紐西蘭女足你還可以推說她們遠在紐西蘭遠在其他國家不清楚說我們男子球場的一個狀況3月21號給她開賣球票去年11月同意但我們男子的足球狀況到底怎麼樣不清楚那但是我們自己國家的女子足球隊也是一樣在4月1號跟紐西蘭女足同一天時間知道說這個場地是這個樣子不覺得很離譜嗎\n\n10\n00:03:34,589 --> 00:03:58,935\n如果說我們今天保護球員是兩方的責任不是紐西蘭女足排名比較前面就比較要保護台灣女足一樣要保護那台灣女足為什麼沒有事先不管是足協不管相關單位我們人都已經在台灣那為什麼沒有事先讓台灣女足的球員教練去了解到這個場地能不能拿出來用\n\n11\n00:04:01,752 --> 00:04:25,812\n否則等到讓外國人不要說外國月亮比較圓但是讓外國人來跟我們自己的球員教練代表一起去看場地的時候才發覺說你們要拿這個場地給我們用不能使用沒有辦法踢對於紐西蘭女足當然他們這是國際性的問題但對我們台灣女足呢情何以堪\n\n12\n00:04:30,313 --> 00:04:54,238\n如果沒有紐西蘭女足的堅持我請教一個比較不客氣的如果沒有紐西蘭女足的堅持說他們拒絕比賽那會不會我們就趕鴨子上架台灣女足的聲音就被淹沒了然後到最後如果今天是換作是另外一個球隊另外一個比賽不是國際性的是國內性的是不是台灣女足有可能就被趕鴨子上架因為3月21號已經賣票啦\n\n13\n00:04:56,212 --> 00:05:01,872\n我在3月21號已經賣票了我沒有讓我們自己女足的球員知道你要在什麼場地比賽\n\n14\n00:05:03,424 --> 00:05:30,797\n那結果賣票了主辦單位到時候就講說已經賣票了沒辦法了那不然你們就踢吧跟委員報告我想我的態度心情是跟委員一樣的這就沒有任何理由體育署內部包含在對這個單項協會怎麼樣去輔導監督責無旁貸我想我們一定這個事情一定會深切檢討而且不許再有相同的這個事件再發生\n\n15\n00:05:31,337 --> 00:05:46,112\n部長,你講的話很衰愧,但是具體的作為是什麼?體育署補助足協,即便體育署有講是說這一次的這個國際高警賽有沒有補助經費?沒有補助經費,但是體育署補助足協一年多少錢?\n\n16\n00:05:47,472 --> 00:06:16,133\n巴爾園去年是一億多不過大部分是在培訓跟一億一千多萬嘛沒有大部分都在培訓啦本席看了你相關資料有聯賽有培訓計畫有針對後續國際賽項目的相關的一些培訓計畫但是這些計畫裡面說實在話這也是一環啊以賽養賽邀請賽這也是一環這也是培訓也是為女足的一個發展來努力啊那你現在\n\n17\n00:06:17,386 --> 00:06:23,212\n有任何的究責嗎足協明年的補助一樣一億多雙雙領雙手拿包委員這部分我們會審慎評估啦關於選手的權益部分我們當然還是要維繫但是在賽事的部分一次的這樣的狀況毀掉我們過去努力了多久的時間\n\n18\n00:06:39,417 --> 00:06:50,507\n我們一直講是說從2017年六年足球計畫然後開始這樣子推台灣要發展足球排名沒有往前就算了現在還讓國際知道說我們的場地也不能用最後也不要只是一味苛責體育署今年會掛牌變運動部\n\n19\n00:07:04,721 --> 00:07:22,217\n那相關有沒有全責單位或者是針對未來我們如果說台灣辦國際型的比賽專責的人員專責的科士來協助因為我覺得在這件事情上面場地沒有掌握好足協難辭其咎他連讓教練連讓球員去參與看場地都沒有\n\n20\n00:07:26,861 --> 00:07:46,567\n所以才會發生那麼離譜的事情如果說之前就有在開賣門票之前就先邀請場地球員跟教練來看說不定那個時候就動掉了啊那未來運動部或是現在體育署針對國際型賽事我們有沒有同仁可以協助或者是說針對這個部分來怎麼樣\n\n21\n00:07:49,193 --> 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