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00:02:05,845\n重點那剛才因為也有委員談到你們應該相關的在你的轄下可以掌控而且比較了解的相關產業你應該也做了一些衝擊的分析那我也提醒一下這個會後也請提供給本席所以剛才本席所談的這兩個部分那汽車產業其實我們不僅有這個整個產業鏈的一個狀況衝擊的這個狀況那\n\n7\n00:02:14,892 --> 00:02:29,194\n當然當然有一些委員提到那是不是很多人就認為可以買到比較便宜的美國汽車那這是一種想法但是我這邊跟您做一下交流也就是說我們整個\n\n8\n00:02:30,355 --> 00:02:55,387\n是不是有機會來設置汽車供應鏈的這個重整基金然後協助轉向內需跟新興市場然後解決剛才其實大家都知道的整個汽車產業鏈的問題我不知道您對這個看法上是謝謝委員指導我想在這個汽車的部分確實台灣因為這個市場很小台灣大概一年只能有這個\n\n9\n00:02:57,128 --> 00:03:04,552\n二十幾萬台的這個需求那我們現在大概就在收集這個資訊短期裡面我們現在這個舊的車超過20年以上的車聽說有100多萬輛\n\n10\n00:03:16,892 --> 00:03:33,504\n那我們希望就是以新換舊以新換舊然後來把這個市場讓出來不打擊我們國內的這個原有的這個製造製造T我們台灣有很多的我們有六大廠商在台灣製造大概二十幾萬台\n\n11\n00:03:34,324 --> 00:04:00,697\n那我想這個以新代舊的這個部分推出來我們可能就是把貨物稅拿掉然後讓它具有競爭力然後來換舊那第二個就是說美國會進來的車美國會進來的車不是只有美國品牌的車不是只有福特Cadillac它可能會進來現在包括連韓國的車都到美國去設廠那麼日本的車也在美國設廠他們都會進來\n\n12\n00:04:03,018 --> 00:04:10,508\n所以在台湾的我们要解决这20几万的从业人员我们当然有很多的方法台湾的电子零组件非常强\n\n13\n00:04:11,508 --> 00:04:36,363\n所以我們都在幫助這些廠商希望他回到他的譬如說日本然後我們跟日本的主廠跟他談說欸台灣可不可以幫你做這個電動車好的那這樣看起來其實有很多細節這邊要做相關的談判跟處理嘛對但是美國的這個談判我們能夠談多久然後能夠是不是就只談到零我們是從零開始談\n\n14\n00:04:37,424 --> 00:04:55,178\n所以我們這個會議談到一個美國可以接受的然後這個裡面也牽扯到時間是不是馬上立馬就是0或者是立馬跟美國一樣2.5這個不一定我們這是談判的手法但是我們的目標跟委員報告我們的目標就是幫助國內的產業\n\n15\n00:05:01,564 --> 00:05:17,313\n不能夠萎縮不能夠讓國內產業部長我這邊剛才其實也提到在過去的方法上都是所謂的財政補助或單點的技術升級但是這對整個系統性的風險您覺得有幫助嗎我們現在重新盤點提出能夠因應現況的對策大概跟過去不會一樣\n\n16\n00:05:26,758 --> 00:05:44,780\n所以本席希望這個部分能夠更積極的作為那另外當然其實有很多細節的這個問題沒有辦法在這邊細談但是對於目前傳產面對高地價高人力高環保壓力那這個部分你怎麼看這個結構性的挑戰那我這邊有個例子就是你們在過去的這個輔導上\n\n17\n00:05:46,101 --> 00:06:07,681\n今年114年你們整合資源的升級轉型也就是你們過去都對單點但是整合性的做起來好像稍微不是力道不是那麼強所以你們在整個升級轉型總共才41筆而且是專注在個別企業導入相關的數位工具還有升級設備但是整個產業整體的這個規劃\n\n18\n00:06:10,083 --> 00:06:22,919\n好像沒有很明確那怎麼樣因應外來的這樣這麼大的關稅的衝擊呢那這個部分你們有沒有一些想法能夠跳脫過去這個效能不彰的這樣子的輔導跟單點的補助呢\n\n19\n00:06:25,971 --> 00:06:51,281\n中小企業署的部分我是不請署長跟你回報可能很快的回報時間有限大概零三十秒針對我剛才講的那個部分你們現在欠缺系統性的處理而且很多時候都是這個數位升級也就是你們補助跟輔導的東西不痛不癢所以你沒有系統性的一個處理因應外來的我們現在所碰到的衝擊我不認為你們的效度能夠去因應您的看法\n\n20\n00:06:51,821 --> 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