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00:02:16,901\n與空域配置的限制所以目前起降呢那麼有限所以在這樣的情況之下更難吸引到國際的航空公司來進駐而且開拓了這個遠程的這個航線所以請教第一個我們中印增出你們預計大概還要多少年第二個我們要如何的增搬跟開闢讓我們的真正的國際機場可以去展現請說說明\n\n6\n00:02:18,422 --> 00:02:28,176\n好報告委員中進中出現在已經都在中進中出了以我自己的旅行的經驗我如果從台中出大概也是從台中進量數很少嘛量數的部分這你滿意嗎你是台中人你滿意嗎當然還不滿意當然不滿意還好剛剛委員在講的航班跟航線\n\n7\n00:02:33,624 --> 00:02:53,441\n目前已經恢復到疫情之前的94%跟79%也就是說航班的部分恢復的數量比較多但是我們可以這麼說因為過去在兩岸的航線會比較多但現在兩岸航線相對減少所以如果扣除兩岸航線的話我們現在的航班跟航點應該是比疫情之前還要多我們稱為國際機場\n\n8\n00:02:55,643 --> 00:03:11,053\n如果布達你這樣回答我們是比較多那我們整個國際機場要怎麼去規劃我在說的是國際的運量對不對我們要怎麼去規劃所以我相信你絕對有前瞻性有有有你會滿足剛剛你所說的數字嗎\n\n9\n00:03:12,114 --> 00:03:32,061\n我們繼續努力啦你還好一個繼續努力我想我們在這裡是要好好的去討論怎麼樣可以讓我們的中部地區還有我們的國人在交通方面等都可以更加的變暢尤其在我們台中現在會展中心今年要完成世界國際的這個友人都會到\n\n10\n00:03:34,141 --> 00:04:01,212\n這個國際機場對我們來講是非常的重要好就這個事呢我要再請教現在的困境台中到金門的航班的問題那不只有說機位很搶手而且你平常就進不到更不用說假日那這個大家都很清楚很清楚有時候在那邊用屋的關係兩天啊幾天啊那擠壓的更多那這樣的一個情況之下請教部長針對於我們整個\n\n11\n00:04:02,793 --> 00:04:22,304\n台中到金門的航班嚴重不足的這個情況之下因為供需不平衡了嘛那我們要怎麼處理包委員我們現在整個國內包含跟離島之間的這個飛航的問題有時候是因為我們的運能問題啦我們的運能有點不足這是坦白要這麼說因為根本不足這很事實我們要怎麼解決\n\n12\n00:04:23,545 --> 00:04:50,668\n他的需求有這麼多為什麼人家不要呢運能不足對不對我們希望能夠放大機型不過這個要跟我們的國際航空公司大家來溝通跟協調所以你必須把你的基礎建設做好會會會這個會才能夠吸引人家大型的國際的這個不管是飛機這個座位會多嘛大型的飛機以及國際的這個航空公司願意進駐嘛\n\n13\n00:04:52,289 --> 00:05:07,942\n這根本還是要先解決所以台中到金門嚴重不足我相信部長你也了解那要你除了去協調他換大型的這個飛機但是到目前為止還是不夠還是工具差距很大\n\n14\n00:05:08,963 --> 00:05:26,282\n所以這個部分必須要再加強你去運作你去討論看我們的工序這麼樣不平衡的時候我們交通部這一邊可以怎麼樣去協助讓我們的民眾可以在交通可以有變長你多的時間可以一個方式你們去討論給本席\n\n15\n00:05:27,858 --> 00:05:54,843\n好我們這三個月來討論好不好好三個月給本席說你們要怎麼樣針對台中跟金門的航班嚴重不足的供需不平衡最後一個問題我請教台鐵那你宣布了要平均漲幅是26.8而且要在今年的6月23號開始正式來執行那大家有高度的質疑在目前通膨以及碰到\n\n16\n00:05:56,103 --> 00:06:21,845\n這樣子關稅的議題而且產業生存之壓力大家政府地方政府以及中央政府以及產業大家工會大家就要團結作戰在這個時間我們似乎可以看到非常嚴肅的不管是通膨或者是民生會非常痛苦那加上了這樣子突如其來的這樣子的因素那你認為\n\n17\n00:06:23,786 --> 00:06:47,890\n有沒有考量到要怎麼樣讓我們的社會大眾的負擔能力可以去緩和請教有報告委員您在提醒的這個我們有考量到尤其您上面所寫的通勤族跟學生族他們所憂慮的事情我們現在交通部有個TPAS只要你有使用TPAS你是完全沒有影響你搭乘台鐵它就是假設是以北北基塔來講是一千二這是局部\n\n18\n00:06:48,570 --> 00:07:00,603\n也就是說他漲價的部分是由政府來吸收就不會讓一般的民眾受影響像學生族他也是用TPAS通勤族他也是用TPAS這個部分就不會有影響沒有用的人呢\n\n19\n00:07:01,647 --> 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