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00:01:56,948\n不是,但是這個場地本身沒有問題,是草皮的養護養護的部分是足球協會在比賽前他應該要做加強養護那足球協會的主管機關是?體育署所以應該是,如果假設要追行政責任應該是體育署嗎?包委員我們這專業的部分還是希望一再的去要求協會來做對啦,那現在就是要求不夠才產生這個狀況嘛\n\n7\n00:01:59,196 --> 00:02:18,696\n對啊那你現在還要推給所有協會那如果協會的主管機關就是你們啊包委員這部分是專業的部分還是要仰賴協會來協會仰賴協會但是那你等於是放手讓協會隨便亂搞嗎沒有嘛你有監督之責嘛你有監督之責嘛所以相關行政責任當然在你身上我覺得這不要推了啦那我們現在來看一下\n\n8\n00:02:19,537 --> 00:02:37,307\n在去年113年11月的時候高雄市政府運動發展局有申請一個照明的增設計畫這個署長你知道嗎知道你看一下他當時寫一個照明的急迫信說因為天然草皮足球場沒有符合比賽標準照度\n\n9\n00:02:38,007 --> 00:02:56,445\n然後人工草皮的足球場僅預留管線急需完善設置照明以符合比賽及訓練等使用需求換句話說在去年11月他們提出這個計畫的時候他們表示不管是在天然草皮的球場或是人工草皮球場在照明的部分都是不夠\n\n10\n00:02:57,566 --> 00:03:20,091\n好那我們來看一下他申請這個因為你們也有核定嘛現在進度是怎麼樣咧我們看這個工程竣工原來預定的時間是在2025年的4月1號那開始結束是5月31所以現在的照明是還沒有驗收的換句話說紐西蘭他原定是4月8號要在天然草皮的這個球場比賽\n\n11\n00:03:21,325 --> 00:03:43,792\n他的照度如果按照當時申請這個計畫的那個急迫性是說照度不足的那4月8號紐西蘭是在白天還是晚上比賽呢他是在晚上6點半開始比賽高雄的這個日照日落的時間呢是6點17分所以他已經進入到沒有日照的時間\n\n12\n00:03:45,225 --> 00:04:13,344\n所以他今天來比賽按照當初高雄市政府申請這個計畫他的照度是不足的那照度不足的情況之下這個也允許讓這個國際的比賽進行當然人家也會多少也會擔心啊我不知道說署長跟部長有掌握到這個狀況嗎報告委員這次主要的問題在草皮的養護我知道草皮我現在找另外的問題嘛他主要是針對轉播的方面不夠滿足轉播的部分所以需要加強照明\n\n13\n00:04:14,184 --> 00:04:39,914\n你看一下它寫急迫性對所以它是因為轉播的部分它說未符比賽標準比賽標準照度它不是講說未符比賽轉播標準一般是轉播的原因它是比賽的一環那為什麼它急迫性沒有寫說因應轉播需求它寫的是未符比賽標準照度嘛所以我覺得組長大家現在要面對問題啦好不好這個你再去查一下然後再來我想請教一下\n\n14\n00:04:41,796 --> 00:05:08,389\n呃現在因為有有購票嘛這次有購票嘛對吧有購票嘛是那這個票價200到400我之前看新聞好像是講說會在什麼時候會完成退票這部分已經陸續已經開始了陸陸續什麼沒有啦之前有說會完已經有王子已經貼出來了蛤啊王子已經貼出來了所以大概什麼時間以內要完成因為你購票的求名的權益你也要維持啊是大概什麼你會要求主協什麼時候會完成退票程序\n\n15\n00:05:08,854 --> 00:05:25,472\n包委員他已經開始在進行這件事情了對我知道嘛有在開始那你總是有騎乘嘛組長你回答問題不要這樣一副來吵架的樣子好不好現在問你問題都是問在問消費者的權益你就回答就好了嘛我知道開始啦但是你什麼時候要完成嘛這已經開始啦好那繼續繼續\n\n16\n00:05:29,315 --> 00:05:39,932\n那請問一下署長這個是高雄男子足球場的貼文嘛對吧那它的委管請問一下這個博文健康事業股份有限公司它的角色是什麼\n\n17\n00:05:40,438 --> 00:06:03,162\n他是高雄市政府在南子文中球場的OT廠商OT廠商那他很積極的招商不是招商啦就是很積極的行銷這個球場是OK的啦那我想問一下你看一下左邊這張照片這個是在天然草皮還是人工草皮這個是在天然草皮在天然草皮那右邊右邊所以右邊是同一個賽事嘛對吧\n\n18\n00:06:04,569 --> 00:06:31,101\n右邊我看不出來這台天然草坪那你看一下喔他說因應全國少年盃調整賽程4月6號將會有舉辦部分賽事對吧所以我們這個小朋友他們比賽的場地跟紐西蘭要來比賽場地是同一個通常包委員通常小朋友的賽事有可能會在人工足球場沒有我剛剛問你說是天然還人工你說是天然這個照片應該不是現在的照片那你去了解一下好不好是\n\n19\n00:06:31,781 --> 00:06:42,207\n你去了解因為你不確定嘛其實如果說紐西蘭球員都覺得天安草皮這個球場不OK的話但是讓我們的小朋友在上面比賽那會不會也會引起小朋友的受傷\n\n20\n00:06:43,797 --> 00:07:09,367\n懂我意思嗎?懂那你去了解,因為你現在不確定嘛如果說他這個也是在天然草皮上面比的話那就有受傷的風險嘛,對吧?你現在整個球場有說停止使用嗎?有要求他停止使用?他目前正在養護當中不過少年的這一塊塞是通常在人工草皮那裡做的那你去確定一下,好不好?再來我們來看一下因為,下一頁因為這個其實有一個新聞他是這樣講的他說\n\n21\n00:07:11,708 --> 00:07:40,245\n壓垮這個事件的最後一個稻草就是紐西蘭為什麼最後宣布不比賽了是因為有紐西蘭的球員在人工草皮訓練受傷及早回國在人工草皮所以雖然說比賽球場是在天然草皮但他們會在人工草皮那邊練習那所以人工草皮這個球場可能也會造成問題那我現在就來請教一下我們這個球場應該是有申請FIFA的認證有吧\n\n22\n00:07:41,752 --> 00:08:00,946\n這個場地的人工草皮足球場有申請認證至於他們的練習場可能是在義大那邊在義大那邊他的新聞寫的是說是在這個球場的人工草皮我再瞭解一下因為目前我沒有特別你都還沒有很瞭解這個事件的來龍去脈那我們來看一下這個FIFA的\n\n23\n00:08:01,874 --> 00:08:24,144\n我們一般來說FIBA有兩個認證的標準嘛一個是Quality一個是QualityPro嘛Quality主要是針對業餘的那Pro的話當然就是要最高水準的職業水準嘛我們現在這個男子球場應該是Pro吧是應該是Pro吧那你看一下我們就看一下那個FIBA的資料喔那裡面有一個很特別的一個公司\n\n24\n00:08:25,270 --> 00:08:49,990\n我不知道署長能不能回答啦如果沒有的話也請去了解一下他的provider叫做Co-CreationGrassCompany這家公司你去了解我相信你也不知道啦應該不知道吧因為這家公司我查了一下他的背景呢他是一個中國公司然後這個公司是由江蘇的王氏兄弟所擁有所以我們\n\n25\n00:08:51,363 --> 00:09:04,683\n就是提供給FIFA認證的把高雄男子球場提供給FIFA警察認證的這家公司是一個中國公司這個蘇勇你了解為什麼是這樣嗎\n\n26\n00:09:05,632 --> 00:09:21,891\n包委員當時在蓋的時候我並沒有在任內所以我其實對這件事情是不了解的對但是你今天來你都沒有預期到大家會問你籌搶的問題你在乎的是它是品質的問題還是它是中國的企業我剛剛前面在講品質問題嘛我現在只是說因為看到這個問\n\n27\n00:09:23,172 --> 00:09:51,949\n請你了解一下嘛會就是說為什麼這個男子的球場他是由中國公司去申請認證還是怎麼樣就是他的角色是什麼是來自於剛剛依照這個網頁的確他背後是中資對那這為什麼這個部分我當時不曉得你不了解嘛那還有一個問題是因為按照這個圖啊我們可以看到他的認證的期限快到了到2025年的4月30號就是這個月的月底\n\n28\n00:09:52,759 --> 00:10:00,494\n那你們現在還有要繼續申請嗎?幫委員這部分我會再跟高雄市做了解不過我知道這個場地並沒有在用作國際賽事\n\n29\n00:10:02,369 --> 00:10:25,874\n沒有,那...沒有,所以...包委員,天然草皮不需要認證,人工草皮才需要認證而這個球場人工草皮是用在比較輕少年少年的部分所以你的意思是說,有可能他就不申請嘛,對不對?這個部分我還要再...但是因為當時這個球場在申請預算補助的時候他們就有講說,他們會以朝向申請FIFA的這個...\n\n30\n00:10:28,275 --> 00:10:44,674\n因為當時足球場是要用人工草皮但是後來在當時的足球協會的建議之下改成天然草皮因為國家級的賽事是以天然草皮所以天然草皮就不需要認證所以其實你看從一開始他申請他所列的指標到後來\n\n31\n00:10:45,755 --> 00:11:05,264\n變了很多次然後現在現在又出現說你現在不知道他要不要繼續申請的狀況嘛那當然我覺得為什麼他一開始他要去申請就是希望說這個比賽的場地可以比較高的規格嘛那剛剛我問的是說跟人工草皮有關的是球員有可能會在人工草皮練習嘛那有可能因為練習而受傷嘛所以\n\n32\n00:11:07,245 --> 00:11:34,304\n今天人工草皮雖然它不是國際比賽的場地但是你也是要去維護要符合一定的標準特別是像FIFA的認證比如說以人工草皮來講它有六大項三十九個細節包括足球回籃測試草纖維的高度密度等等它其實都有重視所以球場當然是有認證比較好我們絕對不會因為說算了我不要去認證反正它沒有要國際比賽我就不要認證\n\n33\n00:11:35,526 --> 00:11:47,404\n我覺得這樣的一個態度感覺得過且過所以是不是還是可以朝向去申請認證的角度去要求這個部分目前全責在高雄市政府我會來跟他們溝通\n\n34\n00:11:49,707 --> 00:12:14,913\n對呀當然啦我覺得署長你今天的答詢喔你都好像很怕大家在責罵你其實沒有大家只是想要把這個問題吧一些問題點出來希望球場好而已然後不希望說又發生類似的事件其實天然草皮是更高階的但是他的確需要好的草皮我現在在講人工草皮嘛你又扯到天然草皮但是我說當時為什麼沒有做人工草皮是因為他把主球場改成\n\n35\n00:12:15,513 --> 00:12:36,394\n因為你去改天然草皮我沒有意見啊你把天然品弄更好我沒有意見嘛我現在講的是人工草皮嘛但是因為一般QualityPro的要求主要是因為要顧及賽事才會去做這樣一個因為第一個你當時你在申請經費的時候你們就是說要做那個QualityPro的認證嘛當時就有嘛\n\n36\n00:12:37,642 --> 00:13:01,297\n那現在只是說希望你繼續維持而已嘛那天然你說要弄更好一點大家都希望啊這個我沒有意見啊啊人工我剛剛就提出來說有一個消息指出有球員可能是在人工草皮上面受傷所以計照回國啊這是壓垮他們最後取消賽事的最後一根稻草啊所以不管是人工天然我們都希望能夠最高規格啊這個我不知道部長你認同嗎\n\n37\n00:13:02,805 --> 00:13:24,779\n當然這個好的一個品質我覺得那個署長一直在打折扣而且當初這個計畫是足球六年計畫裡面一個完善硬體設施本來是申請2.38億後來核定3.5億其實這個就是當初要發展足球一個很重要的項目所以繼續維持有那麼難嗎為什麼好像\n\n38\n00:13:28,230 --> 00:13:51,862\n現在我們的答詢就是沒有啦我也沒有要做反正得過且過就好了啦去人工比就好了啦追求好的一個品質甚至能夠有好的一個比賽場地跟好的一個球隊以及對選手的這個安全的維護我想那都是我們基本上的一個態度也是責任對啦我自覺應該要朝向\n\n39\n00:13:53,266 --> 00:14:16,965\n盡量把場地做到好吧好不好也不要再出現類似的狀況那剛剛署長跟你請教那些你沒有辦法回答的問題大概什麼時候可以盡快的提供給我我大概這個星期我就會趕快去了解那我們希望在一個月之內給你一個書面報告一個月我剛問的其實很簡單回答那我就問到之後就把細節提供給我們好沒有問題好謝謝好謝謝易元之委員部長署長請\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6567\t7630\t然後麻煩請部長跟體育署長謝謝好 也請部長跟署長\n16175\t41728\t委員好部長好 署長好還是想請教一下我們這次在這個男子球場發生的事情因為這個事情據說那個紐西蘭媒體也報得很大啦我覺得這是一個蠻嚴重的事件那我先請問一下我們這個男子球場它是有兩個球場嘛對不對有一個是人工草皮的一個天然草皮的嘛 對不對是那現在本來預定的比賽場地是在天然草皮還是在人工草皮\n42948\t53680\t委員指的是當初設計還是指現在現在的話天然草皮是主球場紐西蘭要來比賽的天然草皮主球場是要在天然草皮嗎是 因為它有看台那\n54892\t73538\t我先來看一下我再請教一個問題因為這個是高雄市政府蓋的球場是吧體育署補助是那如果這個球場有蓋出問題導致有人受傷或者是衍生出後面賠償相關的問題的話是現在由高雄市政府負責還是由體育署來負責\n74366\t93023\t包委員通常我們辦賽事的話我們都有運動傷害保險不是啦 那誰負責嘛那如果是這一次的比如說要負一些這個責任啊行政責任啊應該是高雄市政府還是體育署包委員這一次應該是足球協會的行政嚴重疏失那是足球協會發包蓋的嗎\n95370\t116948\t不是,但是這個場地本身沒有問題,是草皮的養護養護的部分是足球協會在比賽前他應該要做加強養護那足球協會的主管機關是?體育署所以應該是,如果假設要追行政責任應該是體育署嗎?包委員我們這專業的部分還是希望一再的去要求協會來做對啦,那現在就是要求不夠才產生這個狀況嘛\n119196\t138696\t對啊那你現在還要推給所有協會那如果協會的主管機關就是你們啊包委員這部分是專業的部分還是要仰賴協會來協會仰賴協會但是那你等於是放手讓協會隨便亂搞嗎沒有嘛你有監督之責嘛你有監督之責嘛所以相關行政責任當然在你身上我覺得這不要推了啦那我們現在來看一下\n139537\t157307\t在去年113年11月的時候高雄市政府運動發展局有申請一個照明的增設計畫這個署長你知道嗎知道你看一下他當時寫一個照明的急迫信說因為天然草皮足球場沒有符合比賽標準照度\n158007\t176445\t然後人工草皮的足球場僅預留管線急需完善設置照明以符合比賽及訓練等使用需求換句話說在去年11月他們提出這個計畫的時候他們表示不管是在天然草皮的球場或是人工草皮球場在照明的部分都是不夠\n177566\t200091\t好 那我們來看一下他申請這個 因為你們也有核定嘛現在進度是怎麼樣咧我們看這個工程竣工原來預定的時間是在2025年的4月1號那開始 結束是5月31所以現在的照明是還沒有驗收的換句話說紐西蘭他原定是4月8號要在天然草皮的這個球場比賽\n201325\t223792\t他的照度如果按照當時申請這個計畫的那個急迫性是說照度不足的那4月8號紐西蘭是在白天還是晚上比賽呢他是在晚上6點半開始比賽高雄的這個日照日落的時間呢是6點17分所以他已經進入到沒有日照的時間\n225225\t253344\t所以他今天來比賽按照當初高雄市政府申請這個計畫他的照度是不足的那照度不足的情況之下這個也允許讓這個國際的比賽進行當然人家也會多少也會擔心啊我不知道說署長跟部長有掌握到這個狀況嗎報告委員這次主要的問題在草皮的養護我知道草皮我現在找另外的問題嘛他主要是針對轉播的方面不夠滿足轉播的部分所以需要加強照明\n254184\t279914\t你看一下它寫急迫性對 所以它是因為轉播的部分它說未符比賽標準比賽標準照度它不是講說未符比賽轉播標準一般是轉播的原因它是比賽的一環那為什麼它急迫性沒有寫說因應轉播需求它寫的是未符比賽標準照度嘛所以我覺得組長大家現在要面對問題啦好不好 這個你再去查一下然後再來我想請教一下\n281796\t308389\t呃 現在因為有 有購票嘛 這次有購票嘛對吧 有購票嘛是那 這個票價200到400我之前看新聞好像是講說會在 什麼時候會完成退票這部分已經 陸續已經開始了陸 陸續什麼 沒有啦 之前有說會完 已經有王子已經貼出來了蛤啊 王子已經貼出來了所以大概什麼時間以內要完成因為你購票的求名的權益你也要維持啊是大概什麼 你會要求主協什麼時候會完成退票程序\n308854\t325472\t包委員他已經開始在進行這件事情了對我知道嘛有在開始那你總是有騎乘嘛組長你回答問題不要這樣一副來吵架的樣子好不好現在問你問題都是問在問消費者的權益你就回答就好了嘛我知道開始啦但是你什麼時候要完成嘛這已經開始啦好那繼續繼續\n329315\t339932\t那請問一下署長 這個是高雄男子足球場的貼文嘛 對吧那它的委管 請問一下這個博文健康事業股份有限公司它的角色是什麼\n340438\t363162\t他是高雄市政府在南子文中球場的OT廠商OT廠商那他很積極的招商不是招商啦就是很積極的行銷這個球場是OK的啦那我想問一下你看一下左邊這張照片這個是在天然草皮還是人工草皮這個是在天然草皮在天然草皮那右邊右邊所以右邊是同一個賽事嘛對吧\n364569\t391101\t右邊我看不出來這台天然草坪那你看一下喔他說因應全國少年盃調整賽程4月6號將會有舉辦部分賽事對吧所以我們這個小朋友他們比賽的場地跟紐西蘭要來比賽場地是同一個通常 包委員通常小朋友的賽事有可能會在人工足球場沒有 我剛剛問你說是天然還人工你說是天然這個照片應該不是現在的照片那你去了解一下好不好是\n391781\t402207\t你去了解 因為你不確定嘛其實如果說紐西蘭球員都覺得天安草皮這個球場不OK的話但是讓我們的小朋友在上面比賽那會不會也會引起小朋友的受傷\n403797\t429367\t懂我意思嗎?懂那你去了解,因為你現在不確定嘛如果說他這個也是在天然草皮上面比的話那就有受傷的風險嘛,對吧?你現在整個球場有說停止使用嗎?有要求他停止使用?他目前正在養護當中不過少年的這一塊塞是通常在人工草皮那裡做的那你去確定一下,好不好?再來我們來看一下因為,下一頁因為這個其實有一個新聞他是這樣講的他說\n431708\t460245\t壓垮這個事件的最後一個稻草就是紐西蘭為什麼最後宣布不比賽了是因為有紐西蘭的球員在人工草皮訓練受傷及早回國在人工草皮所以雖然說比賽球場是在天然草皮但他們會在人工草皮那邊練習那所以人工草皮這個球場可能也會造成問題那我現在就來請教一下我們這個球場應該是有申請FIFA的認證有吧\n461752\t480946\t這個場地的人工草皮足球場有申請認證至於他們的練習場可能是在義大那邊在義大那邊他的新聞寫的是說是在這個球場的人工草皮我再瞭解一下因為目前我沒有特別你都還沒有很瞭解這個事件的來龍去脈那我們來看一下這個FIFA的\n481874\t504144\t我們一般來說FIBA有兩個認證的標準嘛一個是Quality一個是Quality Pro嘛Quality主要是針對業餘的那Pro的話當然就是要最高水準的職業水準嘛我們現在這個男子球場應該是Pro吧是應該是Pro吧那你看一下我們就看一下那個FIBA的資料喔那裡面有一個很特別的一個公司\n505270\t529990\t我不知道署長能不能回答啦如果沒有的話也請去了解一下他的provider叫做Co-Creation Grass Company這家公司你去了解我相信你也不知道啦應該不知道吧因為這家公司我查了一下他的背景呢他是一個中國公司然後這個公司是由江蘇的王氏兄弟所擁有所以我們\n531363\t544683\t就是提供給FIFA認證的把高雄男子球場提供給FIFA警察認證的這家公司是一個中國公司這個 蘇勇你了解為什麼是這樣嗎\n545632\t561891\t包委員當時在蓋的時候我並沒有在任內所以我其實對這件事情是不了解的對 但是你今天來你都沒有預期到大家會問你籌搶的問題你在乎的是它是品質的問題還是它是中國的企業我剛剛前面在講品質問題嘛我現在只是說因為看到這個問\n563172\t591949\t請你了解一下嘛會就是說為什麼這個男子的球場他是由中國公司去申請認證還是怎麼樣就是他的角色是什麼是來自於剛剛依照這個網頁的確他背後是中資對那這為什麼這個部分我當時不曉得你不了解嘛那還有一個問題是因為按照這個圖啊我們可以看到他的認證的期限快到了到2025年的4月30號就是這個月的月底\n592759\t600494\t那你們現在還有要繼續申請嗎?幫委員這部分我會再跟高雄市做了解不過我知道這個場地並沒有在用作國際賽事\n602369\t625874\t沒有,那...沒有,所以...包委員,天然草皮不需要認證,人工草皮才需要認證而這個球場人工草皮是用在比較輕少年少年的部分所以你的意思是說,有可能他就不申請嘛,對不對?這個部分我還要再...但是因為當時這個球場在申請預算補助的時候他們就有講說,他們會以朝向申請FIFA的這個...\n628275\t644674\t因為當時足球場是要用人工草皮但是後來在當時的足球協會的建議之下改成天然草皮因為國家級的賽事是以天然草皮所以天然草皮就不需要認證所以其實你看從一開始他申請他所列的指標到後來\n645755\t665264\t變了很多次然後現在現在又出現說你現在不知道他要不要繼續申請的狀況嘛那當然我覺得為什麼他一開始他要去申請就是希望說這個比賽的場地可以比較高的規格嘛那剛剛我問的是說跟人工草皮有關的是球員有可能會在人工草皮練習嘛那有可能因為練習而受傷嘛所以\n667245\t694304\t今天人工草皮雖然它不是國際比賽的場地但是你也是要去維護要符合一定的標準特別是像FIFA的認證比如說以人工草皮來講它有六大項三十九個細節包括足球回籃測試草纖維的高度密度等等它其實都有重視所以球場當然是有認證比較好我們絕對不會因為說算了我不要去認證反正它沒有要國際比賽我就不要認證\n695526\t707404\t我覺得這樣的一個態度感覺得過且過所以是不是還是可以朝向去申請認證的角度去要求這個部分目前全責在高雄市政府我會來跟他們溝通\n709707\t734913\t對呀當然啦我覺得署長你今天的答詢喔你都好像很怕大家在責罵你其實沒有大家只是想要把這個問題吧一些問題點出來希望球場好而已然後不希望說又發生類似的事件其實天然草皮是更高階的但是他的確需要好的草皮我現在在講人工草皮嘛你又扯到天然草皮但是我說當時為什麼沒有做人工草皮是因為他把主球場改成\n735513\t756394\t因為你去改天然草皮我沒有意見啊你把天然品弄更好我沒有意見嘛我現在講的是人工草皮嘛但是因為一般Quality Pro的要求主要是因為要顧及賽事才會去做這樣一個因為第一個你當時你在申請經費的時候你們就是說要做那個Quality Pro的認證嘛當時就有嘛\n757642\t781297\t那現在只是說希望你繼續維持而已嘛那天然你說要弄更好一點大家都希望啊這個我沒有意見啊啊人工我剛剛就提出來說有一個消息指出有球員可能是在人工草皮上面受傷所以計照回國啊這是壓垮他們最後取消賽事的最後一根稻草啊所以不管是人工天然我們都希望能夠最高規格啊這個我不知道部長你認同嗎\n782805\t804779\t當然這個好的一個品質我覺得那個署長一直在打折扣而且當初這個計畫是足球六年計畫裡面一個完善硬體設施本來是申請2.38億後來核定3.5億其實這個就是當初要發展足球一個很重要的項目所以繼續維持有那麼難嗎為什麼好像\n808230\t831862\t現在我們的答詢就是 沒有啦 我也沒有要做反正得過且過就好了啦 去人工比就好了啦追求好的一個品質 甚至能夠有好的一個比賽場地跟好的一個球隊 以及對選手的這個安全的維護我想那都是我們基本上的一個態度 也是責任對啦 我自覺應該要朝向\n833266\t856965\t盡量把場地做到好吧好不好也不要再出現類似的狀況那剛剛署長跟你請教那些你沒有辦法回答的問題大概什麼時候可以盡快的提供給我我大概這個星期我就會趕快去了解那我們希望在一個月之內給你一個書面報告一個月我剛問的其實很簡單回答那我就問到之後就把細節提供給我們好沒有問題好謝謝好謝謝易元之委員部長署長請\n","txt":"然後麻煩請部長跟體育署長謝謝好 也請部長跟署長\n委員好部長好 署長好還是想請教一下我們這次在這個男子球場發生的事情因為這個事情據說那個紐西蘭媒體也報得很大啦我覺得這是一個蠻嚴重的事件那我先請問一下我們這個男子球場它是有兩個球場嘛對不對有一個是人工草皮的一個天然草皮的嘛 對不對是那現在本來預定的比賽場地是在天然草皮還是在人工草皮\n委員指的是當初設計還是指現在現在的話天然草皮是主球場紐西蘭要來比賽的天然草皮主球場是要在天然草皮嗎是 因為它有看台那\n我先來看一下我再請教一個問題因為這個是高雄市政府蓋的球場是吧體育署補助是那如果這個球場有蓋出問題導致有人受傷或者是衍生出後面賠償相關的問題的話是現在由高雄市政府負責還是由體育署來負責\n包委員通常我們辦賽事的話我們都有運動傷害保險不是啦 那誰負責嘛那如果是這一次的比如說要負一些這個責任啊行政責任啊應該是高雄市政府還是體育署包委員這一次應該是足球協會的行政嚴重疏失那是足球協會發包蓋的嗎\n不是,但是這個場地本身沒有問題,是草皮的養護養護的部分是足球協會在比賽前他應該要做加強養護那足球協會的主管機關是?體育署所以應該是,如果假設要追行政責任應該是體育署嗎?包委員我們這專業的部分還是希望一再的去要求協會來做對啦,那現在就是要求不夠才產生這個狀況嘛\n對啊那你現在還要推給所有協會那如果協會的主管機關就是你們啊包委員這部分是專業的部分還是要仰賴協會來協會仰賴協會但是那你等於是放手讓協會隨便亂搞嗎沒有嘛你有監督之責嘛你有監督之責嘛所以相關行政責任當然在你身上我覺得這不要推了啦那我們現在來看一下\n在去年113年11月的時候高雄市政府運動發展局有申請一個照明的增設計畫這個署長你知道嗎知道你看一下他當時寫一個照明的急迫信說因為天然草皮足球場沒有符合比賽標準照度\n然後人工草皮的足球場僅預留管線急需完善設置照明以符合比賽及訓練等使用需求換句話說在去年11月他們提出這個計畫的時候他們表示不管是在天然草皮的球場或是人工草皮球場在照明的部分都是不夠\n好 那我們來看一下他申請這個 因為你們也有核定嘛現在進度是怎麼樣咧我們看這個工程竣工原來預定的時間是在2025年的4月1號那開始 結束是5月31所以現在的照明是還沒有驗收的換句話說紐西蘭他原定是4月8號要在天然草皮的這個球場比賽\n他的照度如果按照當時申請這個計畫的那個急迫性是說照度不足的那4月8號紐西蘭是在白天還是晚上比賽呢他是在晚上6點半開始比賽高雄的這個日照日落的時間呢是6點17分所以他已經進入到沒有日照的時間\n所以他今天來比賽按照當初高雄市政府申請這個計畫他的照度是不足的那照度不足的情況之下這個也允許讓這個國際的比賽進行當然人家也會多少也會擔心啊我不知道說署長跟部長有掌握到這個狀況嗎報告委員這次主要的問題在草皮的養護我知道草皮我現在找另外的問題嘛他主要是針對轉播的方面不夠滿足轉播的部分所以需要加強照明\n你看一下它寫急迫性對 所以它是因為轉播的部分它說未符比賽標準比賽標準照度它不是講說未符比賽轉播標準一般是轉播的原因它是比賽的一環那為什麼它急迫性沒有寫說因應轉播需求它寫的是未符比賽標準照度嘛所以我覺得組長大家現在要面對問題啦好不好 這個你再去查一下然後再來我想請教一下\n呃 現在因為有 有購票嘛 這次有購票嘛對吧 有購票嘛是那 這個票價200到400我之前看新聞好像是講說會在 什麼時候會完成退票這部分已經 陸續已經開始了陸 陸續什麼 沒有啦 之前有說會完 已經有王子已經貼出來了蛤啊 王子已經貼出來了所以大概什麼時間以內要完成因為你購票的求名的權益你也要維持啊是大概什麼 你會要求主協什麼時候會完成退票程序\n包委員他已經開始在進行這件事情了對我知道嘛有在開始那你總是有騎乘嘛組長你回答問題不要這樣一副來吵架的樣子好不好現在問你問題都是問在問消費者的權益你就回答就好了嘛我知道開始啦但是你什麼時候要完成嘛這已經開始啦好那繼續繼續\n那請問一下署長 這個是高雄男子足球場的貼文嘛 對吧那它的委管 請問一下這個博文健康事業股份有限公司它的角色是什麼\n他是高雄市政府在南子文中球場的OT廠商OT廠商那他很積極的招商不是招商啦就是很積極的行銷這個球場是OK的啦那我想問一下你看一下左邊這張照片這個是在天然草皮還是人工草皮這個是在天然草皮在天然草皮那右邊右邊所以右邊是同一個賽事嘛對吧\n右邊我看不出來這台天然草坪那你看一下喔他說因應全國少年盃調整賽程4月6號將會有舉辦部分賽事對吧所以我們這個小朋友他們比賽的場地跟紐西蘭要來比賽場地是同一個通常 包委員通常小朋友的賽事有可能會在人工足球場沒有 我剛剛問你說是天然還人工你說是天然這個照片應該不是現在的照片那你去了解一下好不好是\n你去了解 因為你不確定嘛其實如果說紐西蘭球員都覺得天安草皮這個球場不OK的話但是讓我們的小朋友在上面比賽那會不會也會引起小朋友的受傷\n懂我意思嗎?懂那你去了解,因為你現在不確定嘛如果說他這個也是在天然草皮上面比的話那就有受傷的風險嘛,對吧?你現在整個球場有說停止使用嗎?有要求他停止使用?他目前正在養護當中不過少年的這一塊塞是通常在人工草皮那裡做的那你去確定一下,好不好?再來我們來看一下因為,下一頁因為這個其實有一個新聞他是這樣講的他說\n壓垮這個事件的最後一個稻草就是紐西蘭為什麼最後宣布不比賽了是因為有紐西蘭的球員在人工草皮訓練受傷及早回國在人工草皮所以雖然說比賽球場是在天然草皮但他們會在人工草皮那邊練習那所以人工草皮這個球場可能也會造成問題那我現在就來請教一下我們這個球場應該是有申請FIFA的認證有吧\n這個場地的人工草皮足球場有申請認證至於他們的練習場可能是在義大那邊在義大那邊他的新聞寫的是說是在這個球場的人工草皮我再瞭解一下因為目前我沒有特別你都還沒有很瞭解這個事件的來龍去脈那我們來看一下這個FIFA的\n我們一般來說FIBA有兩個認證的標準嘛一個是Quality一個是Quality Pro嘛Quality主要是針對業餘的那Pro的話當然就是要最高水準的職業水準嘛我們現在這個男子球場應該是Pro吧是應該是Pro吧那你看一下我們就看一下那個FIBA的資料喔那裡面有一個很特別的一個公司\n我不知道署長能不能回答啦如果沒有的話也請去了解一下他的provider叫做Co-Creation Grass Company這家公司你去了解我相信你也不知道啦應該不知道吧因為這家公司我查了一下他的背景呢他是一個中國公司然後這個公司是由江蘇的王氏兄弟所擁有所以我們\n就是提供給FIFA認證的把高雄男子球場提供給FIFA警察認證的這家公司是一個中國公司這個 蘇勇你了解為什麼是這樣嗎\n包委員當時在蓋的時候我並沒有在任內所以我其實對這件事情是不了解的對 但是你今天來你都沒有預期到大家會問你籌搶的問題你在乎的是它是品質的問題還是它是中國的企業我剛剛前面在講品質問題嘛我現在只是說因為看到這個問\n請你了解一下嘛會就是說為什麼這個男子的球場他是由中國公司去申請認證還是怎麼樣就是他的角色是什麼是來自於剛剛依照這個網頁的確他背後是中資對那這為什麼這個部分我當時不曉得你不了解嘛那還有一個問題是因為按照這個圖啊我們可以看到他的認證的期限快到了到2025年的4月30號就是這個月的月底\n那你們現在還有要繼續申請嗎?幫委員這部分我會再跟高雄市做了解不過我知道這個場地並沒有在用作國際賽事\n沒有,那...沒有,所以...包委員,天然草皮不需要認證,人工草皮才需要認證而這個球場人工草皮是用在比較輕少年少年的部分所以你的意思是說,有可能他就不申請嘛,對不對?這個部分我還要再...但是因為當時這個球場在申請預算補助的時候他們就有講說,他們會以朝向申請FIFA的這個...\n因為當時足球場是要用人工草皮但是後來在當時的足球協會的建議之下改成天然草皮因為國家級的賽事是以天然草皮所以天然草皮就不需要認證所以其實你看從一開始他申請他所列的指標到後來\n變了很多次然後現在現在又出現說你現在不知道他要不要繼續申請的狀況嘛那當然我覺得為什麼他一開始他要去申請就是希望說這個比賽的場地可以比較高的規格嘛那剛剛我問的是說跟人工草皮有關的是球員有可能會在人工草皮練習嘛那有可能因為練習而受傷嘛所以\n今天人工草皮雖然它不是國際比賽的場地但是你也是要去維護要符合一定的標準特別是像FIFA的認證比如說以人工草皮來講它有六大項三十九個細節包括足球回籃測試草纖維的高度密度等等它其實都有重視所以球場當然是有認證比較好我們絕對不會因為說算了我不要去認證反正它沒有要國際比賽我就不要認證\n我覺得這樣的一個態度感覺得過且過所以是不是還是可以朝向去申請認證的角度去要求這個部分目前全責在高雄市政府我會來跟他們溝通\n對呀當然啦我覺得署長你今天的答詢喔你都好像很怕大家在責罵你其實沒有大家只是想要把這個問題吧一些問題點出來希望球場好而已然後不希望說又發生類似的事件其實天然草皮是更高階的但是他的確需要好的草皮我現在在講人工草皮嘛你又扯到天然草皮但是我說當時為什麼沒有做人工草皮是因為他把主球場改成\n因為你去改天然草皮我沒有意見啊你把天然品弄更好我沒有意見嘛我現在講的是人工草皮嘛但是因為一般Quality Pro的要求主要是因為要顧及賽事才會去做這樣一個因為第一個你當時你在申請經費的時候你們就是說要做那個Quality Pro的認證嘛當時就有嘛\n那現在只是說希望你繼續維持而已嘛那天然你說要弄更好一點大家都希望啊這個我沒有意見啊啊人工我剛剛就提出來說有一個消息指出有球員可能是在人工草皮上面受傷所以計照回國啊這是壓垮他們最後取消賽事的最後一根稻草啊所以不管是人工天然我們都希望能夠最高規格啊這個我不知道部長你認同嗎\n當然這個好的一個品質我覺得那個署長一直在打折扣而且當初這個計畫是足球六年計畫裡面一個完善硬體設施本來是申請2.38億後來核定3.5億其實這個就是當初要發展足球一個很重要的項目所以繼續維持有那麼難嗎為什麼好像\n現在我們的答詢就是 沒有啦 我也沒有要做反正得過且過就好了啦 去人工比就好了啦追求好的一個品質 甚至能夠有好的一個比賽場地跟好的一個球隊 以及對選手的這個安全的維護我想那都是我們基本上的一個態度 也是責任對啦 我自覺應該要朝向\n盡量把場地做到好吧好不好也不要再出現類似的狀況那剛剛署長跟你請教那些你沒有辦法回答的問題大概什麼時候可以盡快的提供給我我大概這個星期我就會趕快去了解那我們希望在一個月之內給你一個書面報告一個月我剛問的其實很簡單回答那我就問到之後就把細節提供給我們好沒有問題好謝謝好謝謝易元之委員部長署長請\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.567 --> 00:07.630\n然後麻煩請部長跟體育署長謝謝好也請部長跟署長\n\n00:16.175 --> 00:41.728\n委員好部長好署長好還是想請教一下我們這次在這個男子球場發生的事情因為這個事情據說那個紐西蘭媒體也報得很大啦我覺得這是一個蠻嚴重的事件那我先請問一下我們這個男子球場它是有兩個球場嘛對不對有一個是人工草皮的一個天然草皮的嘛對不對是那現在本來預定的比賽場地是在天然草皮還是在人工草皮\n\n00:42.948 --> 00:53.680\n委員指的是當初設計還是指現在現在的話天然草皮是主球場紐西蘭要來比賽的天然草皮主球場是要在天然草皮嗎是因為它有看台那\n\n00:54.892 --> 01:13.538\n我先來看一下我再請教一個問題因為這個是高雄市政府蓋的球場是吧體育署補助是那如果這個球場有蓋出問題導致有人受傷或者是衍生出後面賠償相關的問題的話是現在由高雄市政府負責還是由體育署來負責\n\n01:14.366 --> 01:33.023\n包委員通常我們辦賽事的話我們都有運動傷害保險不是啦那誰負責嘛那如果是這一次的比如說要負一些這個責任啊行政責任啊應該是高雄市政府還是體育署包委員這一次應該是足球協會的行政嚴重疏失那是足球協會發包蓋的嗎\n\n01:35.370 --> 01:56.948\n不是,但是這個場地本身沒有問題,是草皮的養護養護的部分是足球協會在比賽前他應該要做加強養護那足球協會的主管機關是?體育署所以應該是,如果假設要追行政責任應該是體育署嗎?包委員我們這專業的部分還是希望一再的去要求協會來做對啦,那現在就是要求不夠才產生這個狀況嘛\n\n01:59.196 --> 02:18.696\n對啊那你現在還要推給所有協會那如果協會的主管機關就是你們啊包委員這部分是專業的部分還是要仰賴協會來協會仰賴協會但是那你等於是放手讓協會隨便亂搞嗎沒有嘛你有監督之責嘛你有監督之責嘛所以相關行政責任當然在你身上我覺得這不要推了啦那我們現在來看一下\n\n02:19.537 --> 02:37.307\n在去年113年11月的時候高雄市政府運動發展局有申請一個照明的增設計畫這個署長你知道嗎知道你看一下他當時寫一個照明的急迫信說因為天然草皮足球場沒有符合比賽標準照度\n\n02:38.007 --> 02:56.445\n然後人工草皮的足球場僅預留管線急需完善設置照明以符合比賽及訓練等使用需求換句話說在去年11月他們提出這個計畫的時候他們表示不管是在天然草皮的球場或是人工草皮球場在照明的部分都是不夠\n\n02:57.566 --> 03:20.091\n好那我們來看一下他申請這個因為你們也有核定嘛現在進度是怎麼樣咧我們看這個工程竣工原來預定的時間是在2025年的4月1號那開始結束是5月31所以現在的照明是還沒有驗收的換句話說紐西蘭他原定是4月8號要在天然草皮的這個球場比賽\n\n03:21.325 --> 03:43.792\n他的照度如果按照當時申請這個計畫的那個急迫性是說照度不足的那4月8號紐西蘭是在白天還是晚上比賽呢他是在晚上6點半開始比賽高雄的這個日照日落的時間呢是6點17分所以他已經進入到沒有日照的時間\n\n03:45.225 --> 04:13.344\n所以他今天來比賽按照當初高雄市政府申請這個計畫他的照度是不足的那照度不足的情況之下這個也允許讓這個國際的比賽進行當然人家也會多少也會擔心啊我不知道說署長跟部長有掌握到這個狀況嗎報告委員這次主要的問題在草皮的養護我知道草皮我現在找另外的問題嘛他主要是針對轉播的方面不夠滿足轉播的部分所以需要加強照明\n\n04:14.184 --> 04:39.914\n你看一下它寫急迫性對所以它是因為轉播的部分它說未符比賽標準比賽標準照度它不是講說未符比賽轉播標準一般是轉播的原因它是比賽的一環那為什麼它急迫性沒有寫說因應轉播需求它寫的是未符比賽標準照度嘛所以我覺得組長大家現在要面對問題啦好不好這個你再去查一下然後再來我想請教一下\n\n04:41.796 --> 05:08.389\n呃現在因為有有購票嘛這次有購票嘛對吧有購票嘛是那這個票價200到400我之前看新聞好像是講說會在什麼時候會完成退票這部分已經陸續已經開始了陸陸續什麼沒有啦之前有說會完已經有王子已經貼出來了蛤啊王子已經貼出來了所以大概什麼時間以內要完成因為你購票的求名的權益你也要維持啊是大概什麼你會要求主協什麼時候會完成退票程序\n\n05:08.854 --> 05:25.472\n包委員他已經開始在進行這件事情了對我知道嘛有在開始那你總是有騎乘嘛組長你回答問題不要這樣一副來吵架的樣子好不好現在問你問題都是問在問消費者的權益你就回答就好了嘛我知道開始啦但是你什麼時候要完成嘛這已經開始啦好那繼續繼續\n\n05:29.315 --> 05:39.932\n那請問一下署長這個是高雄男子足球場的貼文嘛對吧那它的委管請問一下這個博文健康事業股份有限公司它的角色是什麼\n\n05:40.438 --> 06:03.162\n他是高雄市政府在南子文中球場的OT廠商OT廠商那他很積極的招商不是招商啦就是很積極的行銷這個球場是OK的啦那我想問一下你看一下左邊這張照片這個是在天然草皮還是人工草皮這個是在天然草皮在天然草皮那右邊右邊所以右邊是同一個賽事嘛對吧\n\n06:04.569 --> 06:31.101\n右邊我看不出來這台天然草坪那你看一下喔他說因應全國少年盃調整賽程4月6號將會有舉辦部分賽事對吧所以我們這個小朋友他們比賽的場地跟紐西蘭要來比賽場地是同一個通常包委員通常小朋友的賽事有可能會在人工足球場沒有我剛剛問你說是天然還人工你說是天然這個照片應該不是現在的照片那你去了解一下好不好是\n\n06:31.781 --> 06:42.207\n你去了解因為你不確定嘛其實如果說紐西蘭球員都覺得天安草皮這個球場不OK的話但是讓我們的小朋友在上面比賽那會不會也會引起小朋友的受傷\n\n06:43.797 --> 07:09.367\n懂我意思嗎?懂那你去了解,因為你現在不確定嘛如果說他這個也是在天然草皮上面比的話那就有受傷的風險嘛,對吧?你現在整個球場有說停止使用嗎?有要求他停止使用?他目前正在養護當中不過少年的這一塊塞是通常在人工草皮那裡做的那你去確定一下,好不好?再來我們來看一下因為,下一頁因為這個其實有一個新聞他是這樣講的他說\n\n07:11.708 --> 07:40.245\n壓垮這個事件的最後一個稻草就是紐西蘭為什麼最後宣布不比賽了是因為有紐西蘭的球員在人工草皮訓練受傷及早回國在人工草皮所以雖然說比賽球場是在天然草皮但他們會在人工草皮那邊練習那所以人工草皮這個球場可能也會造成問題那我現在就來請教一下我們這個球場應該是有申請FIFA的認證有吧\n\n07:41.752 --> 08:00.946\n這個場地的人工草皮足球場有申請認證至於他們的練習場可能是在義大那邊在義大那邊他的新聞寫的是說是在這個球場的人工草皮我再瞭解一下因為目前我沒有特別你都還沒有很瞭解這個事件的來龍去脈那我們來看一下這個FIFA的\n\n08:01.874 --> 08:24.144\n我們一般來說FIBA有兩個認證的標準嘛一個是Quality一個是QualityPro嘛Quality主要是針對業餘的那Pro的話當然就是要最高水準的職業水準嘛我們現在這個男子球場應該是Pro吧是應該是Pro吧那你看一下我們就看一下那個FIBA的資料喔那裡面有一個很特別的一個公司\n\n08:25.270 --> 08:49.990\n我不知道署長能不能回答啦如果沒有的話也請去了解一下他的provider叫做Co-CreationGrassCompany這家公司你去了解我相信你也不知道啦應該不知道吧因為這家公司我查了一下他的背景呢他是一個中國公司然後這個公司是由江蘇的王氏兄弟所擁有所以我們\n\n08:51.363 --> 09:04.683\n就是提供給FIFA認證的把高雄男子球場提供給FIFA警察認證的這家公司是一個中國公司這個蘇勇你了解為什麼是這樣嗎\n\n09:05.632 --> 09:21.891\n包委員當時在蓋的時候我並沒有在任內所以我其實對這件事情是不了解的對但是你今天來你都沒有預期到大家會問你籌搶的問題你在乎的是它是品質的問題還是它是中國的企業我剛剛前面在講品質問題嘛我現在只是說因為看到這個問\n\n09:23.172 --> 09:51.949\n請你了解一下嘛會就是說為什麼這個男子的球場他是由中國公司去申請認證還是怎麼樣就是他的角色是什麼是來自於剛剛依照這個網頁的確他背後是中資對那這為什麼這個部分我當時不曉得你不了解嘛那還有一個問題是因為按照這個圖啊我們可以看到他的認證的期限快到了到2025年的4月30號就是這個月的月底\n\n09:52.759 --> 10:00.494\n那你們現在還有要繼續申請嗎?幫委員這部分我會再跟高雄市做了解不過我知道這個場地並沒有在用作國際賽事\n\n10:02.369 --> 10:25.874\n沒有,那...沒有,所以...包委員,天然草皮不需要認證,人工草皮才需要認證而這個球場人工草皮是用在比較輕少年少年的部分所以你的意思是說,有可能他就不申請嘛,對不對?這個部分我還要再...但是因為當時這個球場在申請預算補助的時候他們就有講說,他們會以朝向申請FIFA的這個...\n\n10:28.275 --> 10:44.674\n因為當時足球場是要用人工草皮但是後來在當時的足球協會的建議之下改成天然草皮因為國家級的賽事是以天然草皮所以天然草皮就不需要認證所以其實你看從一開始他申請他所列的指標到後來\n\n10:45.755 --> 11:05.264\n變了很多次然後現在現在又出現說你現在不知道他要不要繼續申請的狀況嘛那當然我覺得為什麼他一開始他要去申請就是希望說這個比賽的場地可以比較高的規格嘛那剛剛我問的是說跟人工草皮有關的是球員有可能會在人工草皮練習嘛那有可能因為練習而受傷嘛所以\n\n11:07.245 --> 11:34.304\n今天人工草皮雖然它不是國際比賽的場地但是你也是要去維護要符合一定的標準特別是像FIFA的認證比如說以人工草皮來講它有六大項三十九個細節包括足球回籃測試草纖維的高度密度等等它其實都有重視所以球場當然是有認證比較好我們絕對不會因為說算了我不要去認證反正它沒有要國際比賽我就不要認證\n\n11:35.526 --> 11:47.404\n我覺得這樣的一個態度感覺得過且過所以是不是還是可以朝向去申請認證的角度去要求這個部分目前全責在高雄市政府我會來跟他們溝通\n\n11:49.707 --> 12:14.913\n對呀當然啦我覺得署長你今天的答詢喔你都好像很怕大家在責罵你其實沒有大家只是想要把這個問題吧一些問題點出來希望球場好而已然後不希望說又發生類似的事件其實天然草皮是更高階的但是他的確需要好的草皮我現在在講人工草皮嘛你又扯到天然草皮但是我說當時為什麼沒有做人工草皮是因為他把主球場改成\n\n12:15.513 --> 12:36.394\n因為你去改天然草皮我沒有意見啊你把天然品弄更好我沒有意見嘛我現在講的是人工草皮嘛但是因為一般QualityPro的要求主要是因為要顧及賽事才會去做這樣一個因為第一個你當時你在申請經費的時候你們就是說要做那個QualityPro的認證嘛當時就有嘛\n\n12:37.642 --> 13:01.297\n那現在只是說希望你繼續維持而已嘛那天然你說要弄更好一點大家都希望啊這個我沒有意見啊啊人工我剛剛就提出來說有一個消息指出有球員可能是在人工草皮上面受傷所以計照回國啊這是壓垮他們最後取消賽事的最後一根稻草啊所以不管是人工天然我們都希望能夠最高規格啊這個我不知道部長你認同嗎\n\n13:02.805 --> 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Company這家公司你去了解我相信你也不知道啦應該不知道吧因為這家公司我查了一下他的背景呢他是一個中國公司然後這個公司是由江蘇的王氏兄弟所擁有所以我們"},{"start":531.363,"end":544.683,"text":"就是提供給FIFA認證的把高雄男子球場提供給FIFA警察認證的這家公司是一個中國公司這個 蘇勇你了解為什麼是這樣嗎"},{"start":545.632,"end":561.891,"text":"包委員當時在蓋的時候我並沒有在任內所以我其實對這件事情是不了解的對 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