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00:02:03,267\n地狹人稠所以這個陸域風電能夠設置的地方其實並不多但是我們認為這個陸域風電是一個可以使用的部分所以我們現在除了澎湖繼續來在無人島上面建立這個陸域風電以外當然我們在探討台灣還有什麼其他地區可以來設置陸域風電不過\n\n7\n00:02:05,248 --> 00:02:32,891\n我們接著會去考慮我們在海外地區臨接台灣的地方有沒有設置陸域風電的場域如果有設置陸域風電的場域因為它的陸域風電成本是相對的非常的低所以我們如果可以把這些產生的電力送回來我相信會讓我們現在面臨到的窘境因為我們必須要有再生能源\n\n8\n00:02:33,471 --> 00:02:44,882\n來support我們的這個綠能所以這個部分我想是我們在努力的一個方向所以部長對陸域風電這塊其實蠻有信心你很支持嘛對不對信不信嘛部長也很支持這一塊吧\n\n9\n00:02:47,148 --> 00:03:06,593\n我們都是依規定在進行這個所有的這個拓展OK好部長謝謝部長部長其實本期今天要進行委員會最主要的原因就是跟你強烈表達台東人的心聲喔不知道部長你有沒有注意到有一個風力發電的業者最近要在想要在台東縣整個海岸線從北到了176公里從長濱鄉成功鎮\n\n10\n00:03:10,034 --> 00:03:25,310\n太馬里鄉、大武鄉到達人鄉要設置將近60座的大型風力發電機那這個計畫已經在我們環境部的這個網站公告了那這個網站這個消息一公告之後引起台東鄉親強烈的反彈\n\n11\n00:03:26,550 --> 00:03:43,819\n那先不跟我在第一時間內也表達反對我想台東的海景是全國國人都知道的無敵海景最美麗的海岸線那你一旦插滿了這大型的風車那我們引以為傲的美景可能就完全破壞那更重要的可能會衝擊當地的生態\n\n12\n00:03:45,740 --> 00:04:04,336\n那也影響到這些區域都是我們原住民的傳統理念也影響到我們原住民的一些文化那我們甚至看到業者的規劃案裡面有些風力發電機的位置它竟然在學校附近學校這個低頻的噪音跟輻射波會影響到我們這些偏鄉的小孩還有當地的居民\n\n13\n00:04:05,197 --> 00:04:33,924\n那除了本席跟台東縣政府已經明確的表達我們的反對的意思之外那不經沒有經過同意就是不同意未經過我們共識的封建開發案破壞台東的環境這個我們都有表達強的意思而且有許多鄉鎮長民大家都反對而且還有鄉親發起的自救會那代表當地的居民非常明確表達就是沒有經過同意的共識這些封建會毀了我們台東那本席在下午也\n\n14\n00:04:34,884 --> 00:04:58,330\n公開的號召連署不到24小時我們這個連署名單已經到1000人以台東人口的結構來說這個時間非常的快速就達到連署數目原本我今天本期堅保的帳板要回到台東參加台東縣議會有一場召開跟鄉鎮長跟民意代表跟自救會在的一個說明會不過我們飛機在天空繞了兩圈之後回到松山趕快跑過來跟部長也來表達這個儀式\n\n15\n00:05:00,470 --> 00:05:27,636\n那我想對風電業者打算在我們台東海岸線發展路易工電環境部昨天已經發表聲明他特別強調風電開發的許可是由經濟部核發的那根據環評的流程開發單位必須先在環境部的評論論壇公開發表訊息收集意見完成環評書之後送交經濟部那這要經濟部正式轉送環境部進行實質的審查\n\n16\n00:05:29,556 --> 00:05:57,623\n簡單的來說就是環境部的意思就是說這個案子的出審機關在經濟部所以在這裡我還想要具體的請教部長你是否支持風電在台東海岸線來開發那是不是有聽見台東鄉親的聲音願意阻止這個沒有經過共識的風電開發案報告委員我們如果接受的條件是地方政府要同意如果台東縣政府不同意我們也不可能同意\n\n17\n00:05:58,783 --> 00:06:20,648\n包括我們民眾的聲音部長這邊都能夠所以台東縣政府是我們第一關這個會不會同意的一個最基礎的評論所以在部長的意思台東縣政府已經表達沒有經過共識的開發他是反對所以這個部分經濟部這邊就會停掉我們當然都會接受嘛中央跟地方是合作的謝謝部長的回應所以這次真的\n\n18\n00:06:23,349 --> 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臨接台灣的地方有沒有設置陸域風電的場域如果有設置陸域風電的場域因為它的陸域風電成本是相對的非常的低所以我們如果可以把這些產生的電力送回來我相信會讓我們現在面臨到的窘境因為我們必須要有再生能源\n153471\t164882\t來support我們的這個綠能所以這個部分我想是我們在努力的一個方向所以部長對陸域風電這塊其實蠻有信心你很支持嘛對不對信不信嘛 部長也很支持這一塊吧\n167148\t186593\t我們都是依規定在進行這個所有的這個拓展OK好 部長謝謝部長部長其實本期今天要進行委員會最主要的原因就是跟你強烈表達台東人的心聲喔不知道部長你有沒有注意到有一個風力發電的業者最近要在想要在台東縣整個海岸線從北到了176公里從長濱鄉成功鎮\n190034\t205310\t太馬里鄉、大武鄉到達人鄉要設置將近60座的大型風力發電機那這個計畫已經在我們環境部的這個網站公告了那這個網站這個消息一公告之後引起台東鄉親強烈的反彈\n206550\t223819\t那先不跟我在第一時間內也表達反對我想台東的海景是全國國人都知道的無敵海景最美麗的海岸線那你一旦插滿了這大型的風車那我們引以為傲的美景可能就完全破壞那更重要的可能會衝擊當地的生態\n225740\t244336\t那也影響到這些區域都是我們原住民的傳統理念也影響到我們原住民的一些文化那我們甚至看到業者的規劃案裡面有些風力發電機的位置它竟然在學校附近學校這個低頻的噪音跟輻射波會影響到我們這些偏鄉的小孩還有當地的居民\n245197\t273924\t那除了本席跟台東縣政府已經明確的表達我們的反對的意思之外那不經沒有經過同意就是不同意未經過我們共識的封建開發案破壞台東的環境這個我們都有表達強的意思而且有許多鄉鎮長民大家都反對而且還有鄉親發起的自救會那代表當地的居民非常明確表達就是沒有經過同意的共識這些封建會毀了我們台東那本席在下午也\n274884\t298330\t公開的號召連署不到24小時我們這個連署名單已經到1000人以台東人口的結構來說這個時間非常的快速就達到連署數目原本我今天本期堅保的帳板要回到台東參加台東縣議會有一場召開跟鄉鎮長跟民意代表跟自救會在的一個說明會不過我們飛機在天空繞了兩圈之後回到松山趕快跑過來跟部長也來表達這個儀式\n300470\t327636\t那我想對風電業者打算在我們台東海岸線發展路易工電環境部昨天已經發表聲明他特別強調風電開發的許可是由經濟部核發的那根據環評的流程開發單位必須先在環境部的評論論壇公開發表訊息收集意見完成環評書之後送交經濟部那這要經濟部正式轉送環境部進行實質的審查\n329556\t357623\t簡單的來說就是環境部的意思就是說這個案子的出審機關在經濟部所以在這裡我還想要具體的請教部長你是否支持風電在台東海岸線來開發那是不是有聽見台東鄉親的聲音願意阻止這個沒有經過共識的風電開發案報告委員我們如果接受的條件是地方政府要同意如果台東縣政府不同意我們也不可能同意\n358783\t380648\t包括我們民眾的聲音部長這邊都能夠所以台東縣政府是我們第一關這個會不會同意的一個最基礎的評論所以在部長的意思台東縣政府已經表達沒有經過共識的開發他是反對所以這個部分經濟部這邊就會停掉我們當然都會接受嘛中央跟地方是合作的謝謝部長的回應所以這次真的\n383349\t409323\t我這樣在空中飛兩圈回來台北絕對值得知道部長這樣的答案那最後是還是要跟部長強烈來表達我們身為能源政策的主管機關經濟部能源我們在發展再生能源的同時也要兼顧我們當地居民的感受最重要是我們避免破壞環境的破壞因為這個錯誤的政策如果沒有經過選址同意這樣子貿然的做決定是斷送整個美麗台東海岸線的這個未來的\n411104\t430061\t整個發展那我想未來如果有類似的案子本市一定要站在第一線嚴格的監督我們中央機關那這邊也要我要跟部長強烈表達我們會守護台東鄉親的這個權益照顧我們台東居保持台東這塊美麗的土地也希望部長跟我們一起來加油那以上謝謝部長謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席就先我們有請我們郭部長郭部長\n委員好部長好部長這是第一次本席跟部長見面那部長您身為我國能源政策的主管機關的首長那本席有注意到您上任以來對於再生能源政策的一些說法在去年9月的時候您上任不久就剛才說過風電國產化的限制8年已經差不多了會朝著開放的方向來努力那希望國內外的廠商都能夠雙贏\n那後來你又拋出說要在菲律賓蓋電廠的計畫把綠電送回台灣也造成非常多的討論那我們經濟部在上個月經濟委員會的專案報告裡面也有提出說可行性評估的報告認為菲律賓中間是可行的並特別的提到當地的陸域風電評估有龐大的開發潛力\n另外部長在備詢的時候也有說經濟部正在啟動新的計畫像我們澎湖地區可能會設置太陽能光電或者是陸域的風電要送回台灣這些相關的計畫都還在報行政許可當中所以看起來部長您對於我國發展風電尤其是陸域風電這一塊你的態度是很支持的那前部長除了澎湖以外我們經濟部目前還有打算在其他區推動相關這個陸域風電的計畫嗎\n我想這個臺灣因為這個\n地狹人稠所以這個陸域風電能夠設置的地方其實並不多但是我們認為這個陸域風電是一個可以使用的部分所以我們現在除了澎湖繼續來在無人島上面建立這個陸域風電以外當然我們在探討台灣還有什麼其他地區可以來設置陸域風電不過\n我們接著會去考慮我們在海外地區 臨接台灣的地方有沒有設置陸域風電的場域如果有設置陸域風電的場域因為它的陸域風電成本是相對的非常的低所以我們如果可以把這些產生的電力送回來我相信會讓我們現在面臨到的窘境因為我們必須要有再生能源\n來support我們的這個綠能所以這個部分我想是我們在努力的一個方向所以部長對陸域風電這塊其實蠻有信心你很支持嘛對不對信不信嘛 部長也很支持這一塊吧\n我們都是依規定在進行這個所有的這個拓展OK好 部長謝謝部長部長其實本期今天要進行委員會最主要的原因就是跟你強烈表達台東人的心聲喔不知道部長你有沒有注意到有一個風力發電的業者最近要在想要在台東縣整個海岸線從北到了176公里從長濱鄉成功鎮\n太馬里鄉、大武鄉到達人鄉要設置將近60座的大型風力發電機那這個計畫已經在我們環境部的這個網站公告了那這個網站這個消息一公告之後引起台東鄉親強烈的反彈\n那先不跟我在第一時間內也表達反對我想台東的海景是全國國人都知道的無敵海景最美麗的海岸線那你一旦插滿了這大型的風車那我們引以為傲的美景可能就完全破壞那更重要的可能會衝擊當地的生態\n那也影響到這些區域都是我們原住民的傳統理念也影響到我們原住民的一些文化那我們甚至看到業者的規劃案裡面有些風力發電機的位置它竟然在學校附近學校這個低頻的噪音跟輻射波會影響到我們這些偏鄉的小孩還有當地的居民\n那除了本席跟台東縣政府已經明確的表達我們的反對的意思之外那不經沒有經過同意就是不同意未經過我們共識的封建開發案破壞台東的環境這個我們都有表達強的意思而且有許多鄉鎮長民大家都反對而且還有鄉親發起的自救會那代表當地的居民非常明確表達就是沒有經過同意的共識這些封建會毀了我們台東那本席在下午也\n公開的號召連署不到24小時我們這個連署名單已經到1000人以台東人口的結構來說這個時間非常的快速就達到連署數目原本我今天本期堅保的帳板要回到台東參加台東縣議會有一場召開跟鄉鎮長跟民意代表跟自救會在的一個說明會不過我們飛機在天空繞了兩圈之後回到松山趕快跑過來跟部長也來表達這個儀式\n那我想對風電業者打算在我們台東海岸線發展路易工電環境部昨天已經發表聲明他特別強調風電開發的許可是由經濟部核發的那根據環評的流程開發單位必須先在環境部的評論論壇公開發表訊息收集意見完成環評書之後送交經濟部那這要經濟部正式轉送環境部進行實質的審查\n簡單的來說就是環境部的意思就是說這個案子的出審機關在經濟部所以在這裡我還想要具體的請教部長你是否支持風電在台東海岸線來開發那是不是有聽見台東鄉親的聲音願意阻止這個沒有經過共識的風電開發案報告委員我們如果接受的條件是地方政府要同意如果台東縣政府不同意我們也不可能同意\n包括我們民眾的聲音部長這邊都能夠所以台東縣政府是我們第一關這個會不會同意的一個最基礎的評論所以在部長的意思台東縣政府已經表達沒有經過共識的開發他是反對所以這個部分經濟部這邊就會停掉我們當然都會接受嘛中央跟地方是合作的謝謝部長的回應所以這次真的\n我這樣在空中飛兩圈回來台北絕對值得知道部長這樣的答案那最後是還是要跟部長強烈來表達我們身為能源政策的主管機關經濟部能源我們在發展再生能源的同時也要兼顧我們當地居民的感受最重要是我們避免破壞環境的破壞因為這個錯誤的政策如果沒有經過選址同意這樣子貿然的做決定是斷送整個美麗台東海岸線的這個未來的\n整個發展那我想未來如果有類似的案子本市一定要站在第一線嚴格的監督我們中央機關那這邊也要我要跟部長強烈表達我們會守護台東鄉親的這個權益照顧我們台東居保持台東這塊美麗的土地也希望部長跟我們一起來加油那以上謝謝部長謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.220 --> 00:09.594\n好謝謝主席就先我們有請我們郭部長郭部長\n\n00:17.014 --> 00:43.729\n委員好部長好部長這是第一次本席跟部長見面那部長您身為我國能源政策的主管機關的首長那本席有注意到您上任以來對於再生能源政策的一些說法在去年9月的時候您上任不久就剛才說過風電國產化的限制8年已經差不多了會朝著開放的方向來努力那希望國內外的廠商都能夠雙贏\n\n00:44.770 --> 01:02.948\n那後來你又拋出說要在菲律賓蓋電廠的計畫把綠電送回台灣也造成非常多的討論那我們經濟部在上個月經濟委員會的專案報告裡面也有提出說可行性評估的報告認為菲律賓中間是可行的並特別的提到當地的陸域風電評估有龐大的開發潛力\n\n01:06.281 --> 01:32.955\n另外部長在備詢的時候也有說經濟部正在啟動新的計畫像我們澎湖地區可能會設置太陽能光電或者是陸域的風電要送回台灣這些相關的計畫都還在報行政許可當中所以看起來部長您對於我國發展風電尤其是陸域風電這一塊你的態度是很支持的那前部長除了澎湖以外我們經濟部目前還有打算在其他區推動相關這個陸域風電的計畫嗎\n\n01:35.673 --> 01:36.155\n我想這個臺灣因為這個\n\n01:39.670 --> 02:03.267\n地狹人稠所以這個陸域風電能夠設置的地方其實並不多但是我們認為這個陸域風電是一個可以使用的部分所以我們現在除了澎湖繼續來在無人島上面建立這個陸域風電以外當然我們在探討台灣還有什麼其他地區可以來設置陸域風電不過\n\n02:05.248 --> 02:32.891\n我們接著會去考慮我們在海外地區臨接台灣的地方有沒有設置陸域風電的場域如果有設置陸域風電的場域因為它的陸域風電成本是相對的非常的低所以我們如果可以把這些產生的電力送回來我相信會讓我們現在面臨到的窘境因為我們必須要有再生能源\n\n02:33.471 --> 02:44.882\n來support我們的這個綠能所以這個部分我想是我們在努力的一個方向所以部長對陸域風電這塊其實蠻有信心你很支持嘛對不對信不信嘛部長也很支持這一塊吧\n\n02:47.148 --> 03:06.593\n我們都是依規定在進行這個所有的這個拓展OK好部長謝謝部長部長其實本期今天要進行委員會最主要的原因就是跟你強烈表達台東人的心聲喔不知道部長你有沒有注意到有一個風力發電的業者最近要在想要在台東縣整個海岸線從北到了176公里從長濱鄉成功鎮\n\n03:10.034 --> 03:25.310\n太馬里鄉、大武鄉到達人鄉要設置將近60座的大型風力發電機那這個計畫已經在我們環境部的這個網站公告了那這個網站這個消息一公告之後引起台東鄉親強烈的反彈\n\n03:26.550 --> 03:43.819\n那先不跟我在第一時間內也表達反對我想台東的海景是全國國人都知道的無敵海景最美麗的海岸線那你一旦插滿了這大型的風車那我們引以為傲的美景可能就完全破壞那更重要的可能會衝擊當地的生態\n\n03:45.740 --> 04:04.336\n那也影響到這些區域都是我們原住民的傳統理念也影響到我們原住民的一些文化那我們甚至看到業者的規劃案裡面有些風力發電機的位置它竟然在學校附近學校這個低頻的噪音跟輻射波會影響到我們這些偏鄉的小孩還有當地的居民\n\n04:05.197 --> 04:33.924\n那除了本席跟台東縣政府已經明確的表達我們的反對的意思之外那不經沒有經過同意就是不同意未經過我們共識的封建開發案破壞台東的環境這個我們都有表達強的意思而且有許多鄉鎮長民大家都反對而且還有鄉親發起的自救會那代表當地的居民非常明確表達就是沒有經過同意的共識這些封建會毀了我們台東那本席在下午也\n\n04:34.884 --> 04:58.330\n公開的號召連署不到24小時我們這個連署名單已經到1000人以台東人口的結構來說這個時間非常的快速就達到連署數目原本我今天本期堅保的帳板要回到台東參加台東縣議會有一場召開跟鄉鎮長跟民意代表跟自救會在的一個說明會不過我們飛機在天空繞了兩圈之後回到松山趕快跑過來跟部長也來表達這個儀式\n\n05:00.470 --> 05:27.636\n那我想對風電業者打算在我們台東海岸線發展路易工電環境部昨天已經發表聲明他特別強調風電開發的許可是由經濟部核發的那根據環評的流程開發單位必須先在環境部的評論論壇公開發表訊息收集意見完成環評書之後送交經濟部那這要經濟部正式轉送環境部進行實質的審查\n\n05:29.556 --> 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