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00:01:32,583\n影響9000億跟12萬人那因為現在週五以後這個關稅就要實施了嘛那現在目前之前很多廠商說他們的貨櫃都已經在路上了啦還有一些廠商在想說那接下來是不是要繼續生產所以其實政府明確的政策對他們來說非常重要那目前\n\n5\n00:01:33,343 --> 00:01:54,597\n委員剛才在講的這個說在路上的部分其實他5月27號以前進到美國他的稅率跟過去是一樣的那因為我們現在行政院所提出來是880億的一個補助的方案那這個方案大概會持續多久那因為主要就是說我覺得很多廠商想要知道\n\n6\n00:01:55,598 --> 00:02:11,726\n廠商知道說第一個他們可以得到相關的比如說補助啊或者優惠嘛那政府會利用這個期間會均跟美國談判嘛那預計來說大概期限是到什麼時候要讓廠商做一點準備啦因為像比如說我是來自於新北市我們新北市兩萬家工廠\n\n7\n00:02:12,546 --> 00:02:31,587\n大概佔了全國的五分之一啦那新北市政府他也有盤點出相關的產業出來嘛比如說在新北市金屬跟製品就佔了25%機械12%所以其實對新北市的廠商來說影響很大我覺得現在政府的政策越明確對他們來說他們的規劃\n\n8\n00:02:33,689 --> 00:02:50,019\n可以更精準就不會在這過程當中不知道怎麼辦所以部長可不可以很明確的來做一個說明謝謝委員我想我們輸出到美國的或造成影響的產業其實是只有侷限於在一些比較小的部分\n\n9\n00:02:50,979 --> 00:03:15,854\n那我們輸出美國就是一個小的部分是什麼意思?出差的比較有優勢的產品,譬如說伺服器,譬如說半導體這個是美國需要的產品,它沒有替代性的那這個部分他不擔心32%的稅對他有什麼影響怎麼會不擔心?因為他們是做,譬如說你剛剛講的部分嘛我的了解是有一些很多是做代工的嘛\n\n10\n00:03:16,990 --> 00:03:34,802\n那代工的話現在衍生出一個問題就是因為代工就品牌商委託他們代工嘛那32%應該是品牌商吸收還是代工廠吸收品牌商可是實際上我的了解啦很多廠商其實很擔心沒有那回事品牌商會壓縮代工廠的利潤我們都盤點過盤點每一個伺服器做代工的廠商我們都一一盤點對他們來講他們當然每一廠在討論啦\n\n11\n00:03:46,890 --> 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