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00:02:03,007\n本席認為我們交通部或者觀光署我們其實更應該要主動出擊真的要去主動出擊去規劃或者說去打造新的觀光的一個據點讓更多人還有更有理由去走進花東我來舉個例子就是說我們台東卑南鄉就是山里的一個舊隧道就是這樣的一個非常有潛力的一個地方\n\n6\n00:02:03,607 --> 00:02:24,460\n就卑南鄉我們在2021年的時候就列為觀光景點的一個小鎮那個地方擁有舊鐵道、車站遺址還有原民文化、自然生態等豐沛的觀光的一個資源那我在這個地方藉這個機會也來為台東鄉親來請命就是說就像柏町看可以這個部分可以這樣高通坡觀光署這裡我們來做一個規劃我記得\n\n7\n00:02:33,385 --> 00:02:52,302\n你看你的前任的部長,林佳龍部長,我看政府是延續一體的嘛,前任部長答應過的事情,我看阿扁在做,一定是你若有專業去做一個評估嘛林部長任內內喊出觀光轉型跟地方創生這樣的一個願景,我相信這個理念\n\n8\n00:02:53,345 --> 00:03:14,913\n任何人部長來我相信大家都覺得是很通的但是呢這個提出這樣的一個概念他倒也不是說只看網紅的景點還要看到原鄉偏鄉這些比較沒有被注意到的地方當時交通部底下的縱管處也做了不少的工作譬如說他去做的可行性評估地址調查還有生態的一個調查這些都做了\n\n9\n00:03:15,393 --> 00:03:27,387\n那做出來以後知道說一號到七號這個地方就變成地質比較敏感加上這個因為地震加上地質敏感然後還有蝙蝠這樣的一個棲地不適合再去做大規模的開發這個\n\n10\n00:03:29,537 --> 00:03:46,516\n在地的民眾也都了解也都尊重這樣的一個專業可是呢我要請教部長的就是說我剛才跟他說有什麼聖誕廟方就是說有什麼替代方案譬如說我們知道山里車站這個地方這是一個祕境那我們怎麼樣用什麼樣的\n\n11\n00:03:47,597 --> 00:04:08,430\n的方式去開發它讓增加一個更多為台東增加更多觀光的一個誘因啊我們常常說山不轉人就轉啊地方民眾也不是不講理啊也不叫你開山找隧道啊大家也是認為該保育就要保育啊尊重專業啊尊重你們啊所以本席在這個前提之下要來\n\n12\n00:04:09,110 --> 00:04:28,855\n跟部長來做一個建議就是說三里舊隧道我們如果沒辦法進一步去開放是不是研議替代方案譬如說你鐵馬的驛站還有主街道的整理還有導覽路線的一個設計等等這一些我們可不可以先來做布丁我覺得你們已經幾個月了\n\n13\n00:04:30,879 --> 00:04:56,574\n部長可不可以具體什麼報告委員您這個建議非常好山里舊隧道其實有它的觀光價值在但是本身不一定有辦法再進一步的開發一些生態上的限制還有地質上的限制不過委員在建議的這個替代方案我覺得觀光署應該好好做研究包含鐵馬驛站的部分還有主街道的整理還有導覽路線等等的設計我們在山里的周邊把整個觀光的配套把它做起來\n\n14\n00:04:57,495 --> 00:05:12,493\n即便是他那個隧道沒有進一步的開發他的整體的觀光價值還是可以顯現所以委員您今天交代我們就趕快來做這方面的研究我們就朝這個方向下去做謝謝部長先給你感謝我為什麼這樣講呢就是說其實我們也很清楚永續啊\n\n15\n00:05:14,195 --> 00:05:30,689\n低碳啊深度的體驗啊大家朗朗上口啊那也確實是我們那個交通部還有觀光署你們應該是責無旁貸有這麼好的一個地方的話我們主動去挖掘讓我們在東部這個地方啊\n\n16\n00:05:31,269 --> 00:05:39,853\n不要因為一場地震把整個觀光夢全部給震碎掉啦所以我謝謝部長這樣的一個承諾啦我必須要特別提出來就是說我們台東其實具有豐富的人文景觀跟有地方的故事還有原民文化非常適合去做一個體驗啦不然我們一直在說地方創生我去把它看看啦我16個行政區裡面啦我如果只為縱谷縣為海岸縣各個原民的地方看一看的話\n\n17\n00:05:59,682 --> 00:06:24,468\n很多地方到最後你都必須要去講到你們提出來就是說好啦體驗啦體驗啦那這麼好的地方政府如果沒有去好好規劃的話我覺得是實在是太可惜啦那我相信經過我們觀光署如果說大力去做一個規劃的話它一定是非常有吸引力的一個地方啦所以我再提醒一次就是說現在真的花東地區的觀光部長跟署長都非常清楚啦真的是慘啦\n\n18\n00:06:29,289 --> 00:06:51,275\n那怎麼樣帶入新的一個元素真的是要再搭一個新的一個舞台要帶給民眾這樣的一個希望啦交通部真的是有責任而且我這樣提出來以後不是只有你們有責任我認為你們本來就有能力我們本來就有能力啊那有能力但是我要說的就是說這裡有魅力有潛力的地方部長剛剛雖然答應啦但那個時間點啦\n\n19\n00:06:55,572 --> 00:07:00,815\n你們創古厝你們真的有去做多少工作時間點可不可以加速我們是不是今年就開始來啟動規劃好不好我意思是說比較積極的因為你這個山梨線改線通車這個十幾年了擺在那個地方你說山梨也不能再等啦台東真的也不能再等啦那這個如果我們交通部或者觀光署我們有更積極的一個態度的話\n\n20\n00:07:21,989 --> 00:07:31,806\n我覺得馬上可以啟動我們今年就來啟動這個規劃我們現在就來啟動要拜託觀光署跟台鐵我們兩邊一起來合作把山里這個地方好好規劃好謝謝部長謝謝署長謝謝我們台鐵感謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2950\t10465\t謝謝主席有請我們交通部陳世凱陳部長請部長還有我們觀光署周永輝周署長署長\n18135\t33124\t我想幾個問題來請教那去年的一場大地震花蓮的一個地震還有接下來幾次的一個颱風讓花東地區很多重要的觀光景點其實都受到了重創\n34285\t63265\t像譬如說本席曾經帶隊去考察過的撒卡當步道三月村這條路都毀掉了狀況真的是慘不忍睹這署長部長應該都很清楚了那原本這個國旅團還有遊覽車排隊進去這種盛況現在人潮幾乎其實是已經斷路了那當地的觀光業者幾乎也快撐不下去了不過我在這個地方也要藉這個機會感謝部長跟署長就去年因為這個地震完以後\n64085\t87501\t其實不是只有花蓮產花蓮一產的話台東跟著產那所以台東一些民宿業者還有觀光業者那個時候跟部長跟署長建議也說我們也去比照花蓮然後也對業者做一些試圖的一個補貼真的及時於在這個地方特別提出感謝但是我想請教就是說我們政府除了補貼以外應該有什麼樣的一個聖誕還有什麼妙方\n94185\t123007\t本席認為我們交通部或者觀光署我們其實更應該要主動出擊真的要去主動出擊去規劃或者說去打造新的觀光的一個據點讓更多人還有更有理由去走進花東我來舉個例子就是說我們台東卑南鄉就是山里的一個舊隧道就是這樣的一個非常有潛力的一個地方\n123607\t144460\t就卑南鄉我們在2021年的時候就列為觀光景點的一個小鎮那個地方擁有舊鐵道、車站遺址還有原民文化、自然生態等豐沛的觀光的一個資源那我在這個地方藉這個機會也來為台東鄉親來請命就是說就像柏町看可以這個部分可以這樣高通坡觀光署這裡我們來做一個規劃我記得\n153385\t172302\t你看你的前任的部長,林佳龍部長,我看政府是延續一體的嘛,前任部長答應過的事情,我看阿扁在做,一定是你若有專業去做一個評估嘛林部長任內內喊出觀光轉型跟地方創生這樣的一個願景,我相信這個理念\n173345\t194913\t任何人部長來我相信大家都覺得是很通的但是呢這個提出這樣的一個概念他倒也不是說只看網紅的景點還要看到原鄉偏鄉這些比較沒有被注意到的地方當時交通部底下的縱管處也做了不少的工作譬如說他去做的可行性評估地址調查還有生態的一個調查這些都做了\n195393\t207387\t那做出來以後知道說一號到七號這個地方就變成地質比較敏感加上這個因為地震加上地質敏感然後還有蝙蝠這樣的一個棲地不適合再去做大規模的開發這個\n209537\t226516\t在地的民眾也都了解也都尊重這樣的一個專業可是呢 我要請教部長的就是說我剛才跟他說有什麼聖誕廟方就是說有什麼替代方案譬如說我們知道山里車站這個地方這是一個祕境那我們怎麼樣用什麼樣的\n227597\t248430\t的方式去開發它讓增加一個更多為台東增加更多觀光的一個誘因啊我們常常說山不轉人就轉啊地方民眾也不是不講理啊也不叫你開山找隧道啊大家也是認為該保育就要保育啊尊重專業啊尊重你們啊所以本席在這個前提之下要來\n249110\t268855\t跟部長來做一個建議就是說三里舊隧道我們如果沒辦法進一步去開放是不是研議替代方案譬如說你鐵馬的驛站還有主街道的整理還有導覽路線的一個設計等等這一些我們可不可以先來做布丁我覺得你們已經幾個月了\n270879\t296574\t部長可不可以具體什麼報告委員您這個建議非常好山里舊隧道其實有它的觀光價值在但是本身不一定有辦法再進一步的開發一些生態上的限制還有地質上的限制不過委員在建議的這個替代方案我覺得觀光署應該好好做研究包含鐵馬驛站的部分還有主街道的整理還有導覽路線等等的設計我們在山里的周邊把整個觀光的配套把它做起來\n297495\t312493\t即便是他那個隧道沒有進一步的開發他的整體的觀光價值還是可以顯現所以委員您今天交代我們就趕快來做這方面的研究我們就朝這個方向下去做謝謝部長先給你感謝我為什麼這樣講呢就是說其實我們也很清楚永續啊\n314195\t330689\t低碳啊深度的體驗啊大家朗朗上口啊那也確實是我們那個交通部還有觀光署你們應該是責無旁貸有這麼好的一個地方的話我們主動去挖掘讓我們在東部這個地方啊\n331269\t339853\t不要因為一場地震把整個觀光夢全部給震碎掉啦所以我謝謝部長這樣的一個承諾啦我必須要特別提出來就是說我們台東其實具有豐富的人文景觀跟有地方的故事還有原民文化非常適合去做一個體驗啦不然我們一直在說地方創生我去把它看看啦我16個行政區裡面啦我如果只為縱谷縣為海岸縣各個原民的地方看一看的話\n359682\t384468\t很多地方到最後你都必須要去講到你們提出來就是說好啦 體驗啦 體驗啦那這麼好的地方政府如果沒有去好好規劃的話我覺得是實在是太可惜啦那我相信經過我們觀光署如果說大力去做一個規劃的話它一定是非常有吸引力的一個地方啦所以我再提醒一次就是說現在真的花東地區的觀光部長跟署長都非常清楚啦真的是慘啦\n389289\t411275\t那怎麼樣帶入新的一個元素真的是要再搭一個新的一個舞台要帶給民眾這樣的一個希望啦交通部真的是有責任而且我這樣提出來以後不是只有你們有責任我認為你們本來就有能力我們本來就有能力啊那有能力但是我要說的就是說這裡有魅力有潛力的地方部長剛剛雖然答應啦但那個時間點啦\n415572\t420815\t你們創古厝你們真的有去做多少工作時間點可不可以加速我們是不是今年就開始來啟動規劃好不好我意思是說比較積極的因為你這個山梨線改線通車這個十幾年了擺在那個地方你說山梨也不能再等啦台東真的也不能再等啦那這個如果我們交通部或者觀光署我們有更積極的一個態度的話\n441989\t451806\t我覺得馬上可以啟動我們今年就來啟動這個規劃我們現在就來啟動要拜託觀光署跟台鐵我們兩邊一起來合作把山里這個地方好好規劃好 謝謝部長 謝謝署長 謝謝我們台鐵感謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請我們交通部陳世凱陳部長請部長還有我們觀光署周永輝周署長署長\n我想幾個問題來請教那去年的一場大地震花蓮的一個地震還有接下來幾次的一個颱風讓花東地區很多重要的觀光景點其實都受到了重創\n像譬如說本席曾經帶隊去考察過的撒卡當步道三月村這條路都毀掉了狀況真的是慘不忍睹這署長部長應該都很清楚了那原本這個國旅團還有遊覽車排隊進去這種盛況現在人潮幾乎其實是已經斷路了那當地的觀光業者幾乎也快撐不下去了不過我在這個地方也要藉這個機會感謝部長跟署長就去年因為這個地震完以後\n其實不是只有花蓮產花蓮一產的話台東跟著產那所以台東一些民宿業者還有觀光業者那個時候跟部長跟署長建議也說我們也去比照花蓮然後也對業者做一些試圖的一個補貼真的及時於在這個地方特別提出感謝但是我想請教就是說我們政府除了補貼以外應該有什麼樣的一個聖誕還有什麼妙方\n本席認為我們交通部或者觀光署我們其實更應該要主動出擊真的要去主動出擊去規劃或者說去打造新的觀光的一個據點讓更多人還有更有理由去走進花東我來舉個例子就是說我們台東卑南鄉就是山里的一個舊隧道就是這樣的一個非常有潛力的一個地方\n就卑南鄉我們在2021年的時候就列為觀光景點的一個小鎮那個地方擁有舊鐵道、車站遺址還有原民文化、自然生態等豐沛的觀光的一個資源那我在這個地方藉這個機會也來為台東鄉親來請命就是說就像柏町看可以這個部分可以這樣高通坡觀光署這裡我們來做一個規劃我記得\n你看你的前任的部長,林佳龍部長,我看政府是延續一體的嘛,前任部長答應過的事情,我看阿扁在做,一定是你若有專業去做一個評估嘛林部長任內內喊出觀光轉型跟地方創生這樣的一個願景,我相信這個理念\n任何人部長來我相信大家都覺得是很通的但是呢這個提出這樣的一個概念他倒也不是說只看網紅的景點還要看到原鄉偏鄉這些比較沒有被注意到的地方當時交通部底下的縱管處也做了不少的工作譬如說他去做的可行性評估地址調查還有生態的一個調查這些都做了\n那做出來以後知道說一號到七號這個地方就變成地質比較敏感加上這個因為地震加上地質敏感然後還有蝙蝠這樣的一個棲地不適合再去做大規模的開發這個\n在地的民眾也都了解也都尊重這樣的一個專業可是呢 我要請教部長的就是說我剛才跟他說有什麼聖誕廟方就是說有什麼替代方案譬如說我們知道山里車站這個地方這是一個祕境那我們怎麼樣用什麼樣的\n的方式去開發它讓增加一個更多為台東增加更多觀光的一個誘因啊我們常常說山不轉人就轉啊地方民眾也不是不講理啊也不叫你開山找隧道啊大家也是認為該保育就要保育啊尊重專業啊尊重你們啊所以本席在這個前提之下要來\n跟部長來做一個建議就是說三里舊隧道我們如果沒辦法進一步去開放是不是研議替代方案譬如說你鐵馬的驛站還有主街道的整理還有導覽路線的一個設計等等這一些我們可不可以先來做布丁我覺得你們已經幾個月了\n部長可不可以具體什麼報告委員您這個建議非常好山里舊隧道其實有它的觀光價值在但是本身不一定有辦法再進一步的開發一些生態上的限制還有地質上的限制不過委員在建議的這個替代方案我覺得觀光署應該好好做研究包含鐵馬驛站的部分還有主街道的整理還有導覽路線等等的設計我們在山里的周邊把整個觀光的配套把它做起來\n即便是他那個隧道沒有進一步的開發他的整體的觀光價值還是可以顯現所以委員您今天交代我們就趕快來做這方面的研究我們就朝這個方向下去做謝謝部長先給你感謝我為什麼這樣講呢就是說其實我們也很清楚永續啊\n低碳啊深度的體驗啊大家朗朗上口啊那也確實是我們那個交通部還有觀光署你們應該是責無旁貸有這麼好的一個地方的話我們主動去挖掘讓我們在東部這個地方啊\n不要因為一場地震把整個觀光夢全部給震碎掉啦所以我謝謝部長這樣的一個承諾啦我必須要特別提出來就是說我們台東其實具有豐富的人文景觀跟有地方的故事還有原民文化非常適合去做一個體驗啦不然我們一直在說地方創生我去把它看看啦我16個行政區裡面啦我如果只為縱谷縣為海岸縣各個原民的地方看一看的話\n很多地方到最後你都必須要去講到你們提出來就是說好啦 體驗啦 體驗啦那這麼好的地方政府如果沒有去好好規劃的話我覺得是實在是太可惜啦那我相信經過我們觀光署如果說大力去做一個規劃的話它一定是非常有吸引力的一個地方啦所以我再提醒一次就是說現在真的花東地區的觀光部長跟署長都非常清楚啦真的是慘啦\n那怎麼樣帶入新的一個元素真的是要再搭一個新的一個舞台要帶給民眾這樣的一個希望啦交通部真的是有責任而且我這樣提出來以後不是只有你們有責任我認為你們本來就有能力我們本來就有能力啊那有能力但是我要說的就是說這裡有魅力有潛力的地方部長剛剛雖然答應啦但那個時間點啦\n你們創古厝你們真的有去做多少工作時間點可不可以加速我們是不是今年就開始來啟動規劃好不好我意思是說比較積極的因為你這個山梨線改線通車這個十幾年了擺在那個地方你說山梨也不能再等啦台東真的也不能再等啦那這個如果我們交通部或者觀光署我們有更積極的一個態度的話\n我覺得馬上可以啟動我們今年就來啟動這個規劃我們現在就來啟動要拜託觀光署跟台鐵我們兩邊一起來合作把山里這個地方好好規劃好 謝謝部長 謝謝署長 謝謝我們台鐵感謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.950 --> 00:10.465\n謝謝主席有請我們交通部陳世凱陳部長請部長還有我們觀光署周永輝周署長署長\n\n00:18.135 --> 00:33.124\n我想幾個問題來請教那去年的一場大地震花蓮的一個地震還有接下來幾次的一個颱風讓花東地區很多重要的觀光景點其實都受到了重創\n\n00:34.285 --> 01:03.265\n像譬如說本席曾經帶隊去考察過的撒卡當步道三月村這條路都毀掉了狀況真的是慘不忍睹這署長部長應該都很清楚了那原本這個國旅團還有遊覽車排隊進去這種盛況現在人潮幾乎其實是已經斷路了那當地的觀光業者幾乎也快撐不下去了不過我在這個地方也要藉這個機會感謝部長跟署長就去年因為這個地震完以後\n\n01:04.085 --> 01:27.501\n其實不是只有花蓮產花蓮一產的話台東跟著產那所以台東一些民宿業者還有觀光業者那個時候跟部長跟署長建議也說我們也去比照花蓮然後也對業者做一些試圖的一個補貼真的及時於在這個地方特別提出感謝但是我想請教就是說我們政府除了補貼以外應該有什麼樣的一個聖誕還有什麼妙方\n\n01:34.185 --> 02:03.007\n本席認為我們交通部或者觀光署我們其實更應該要主動出擊真的要去主動出擊去規劃或者說去打造新的觀光的一個據點讓更多人還有更有理由去走進花東我來舉個例子就是說我們台東卑南鄉就是山里的一個舊隧道就是這樣的一個非常有潛力的一個地方\n\n02:03.607 --> 02:24.460\n就卑南鄉我們在2021年的時候就列為觀光景點的一個小鎮那個地方擁有舊鐵道、車站遺址還有原民文化、自然生態等豐沛的觀光的一個資源那我在這個地方藉這個機會也來為台東鄉親來請命就是說就像柏町看可以這個部分可以這樣高通坡觀光署這裡我們來做一個規劃我記得\n\n02:33.385 --> 02:52.302\n你看你的前任的部長,林佳龍部長,我看政府是延續一體的嘛,前任部長答應過的事情,我看阿扁在做,一定是你若有專業去做一個評估嘛林部長任內內喊出觀光轉型跟地方創生這樣的一個願景,我相信這個理念\n\n02:53.345 --> 03:14.913\n任何人部長來我相信大家都覺得是很通的但是呢這個提出這樣的一個概念他倒也不是說只看網紅的景點還要看到原鄉偏鄉這些比較沒有被注意到的地方當時交通部底下的縱管處也做了不少的工作譬如說他去做的可行性評估地址調查還有生態的一個調查這些都做了\n\n03:15.393 --> 03:27.387\n那做出來以後知道說一號到七號這個地方就變成地質比較敏感加上這個因為地震加上地質敏感然後還有蝙蝠這樣的一個棲地不適合再去做大規模的開發這個\n\n03:29.537 --> 03:46.516\n在地的民眾也都了解也都尊重這樣的一個專業可是呢我要請教部長的就是說我剛才跟他說有什麼聖誕廟方就是說有什麼替代方案譬如說我們知道山里車站這個地方這是一個祕境那我們怎麼樣用什麼樣的\n\n03:47.597 --> 04:08.430\n的方式去開發它讓增加一個更多為台東增加更多觀光的一個誘因啊我們常常說山不轉人就轉啊地方民眾也不是不講理啊也不叫你開山找隧道啊大家也是認為該保育就要保育啊尊重專業啊尊重你們啊所以本席在這個前提之下要來\n\n04:09.110 --> 04:28.855\n跟部長來做一個建議就是說三里舊隧道我們如果沒辦法進一步去開放是不是研議替代方案譬如說你鐵馬的驛站還有主街道的整理還有導覽路線的一個設計等等這一些我們可不可以先來做布丁我覺得你們已經幾個月了\n\n04:30.879 --> 04:56.574\n部長可不可以具體什麼報告委員您這個建議非常好山里舊隧道其實有它的觀光價值在但是本身不一定有辦法再進一步的開發一些生態上的限制還有地質上的限制不過委員在建議的這個替代方案我覺得觀光署應該好好做研究包含鐵馬驛站的部分還有主街道的整理還有導覽路線等等的設計我們在山里的周邊把整個觀光的配套把它做起來\n\n04:57.495 --> 05:12.493\n即便是他那個隧道沒有進一步的開發他的整體的觀光價值還是可以顯現所以委員您今天交代我們就趕快來做這方面的研究我們就朝這個方向下去做謝謝部長先給你感謝我為什麼這樣講呢就是說其實我們也很清楚永續啊\n\n05:14.195 --> 05:30.689\n低碳啊深度的體驗啊大家朗朗上口啊那也確實是我們那個交通部還有觀光署你們應該是責無旁貸有這麼好的一個地方的話我們主動去挖掘讓我們在東部這個地方啊\n\n05:31.269 --> 05:39.853\n不要因為一場地震把整個觀光夢全部給震碎掉啦所以我謝謝部長這樣的一個承諾啦我必須要特別提出來就是說我們台東其實具有豐富的人文景觀跟有地方的故事還有原民文化非常適合去做一個體驗啦不然我們一直在說地方創生我去把它看看啦我16個行政區裡面啦我如果只為縱谷縣為海岸縣各個原民的地方看一看的話\n\n05:59.682 --> 06:24.468\n很多地方到最後你都必須要去講到你們提出來就是說好啦體驗啦體驗啦那這麼好的地方政府如果沒有去好好規劃的話我覺得是實在是太可惜啦那我相信經過我們觀光署如果說大力去做一個規劃的話它一定是非常有吸引力的一個地方啦所以我再提醒一次就是說現在真的花東地區的觀光部長跟署長都非常清楚啦真的是慘啦\n\n06:29.289 --> 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