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00:02:12,244\n零關稅開始談判不是零關稅支持不支持這個由我們的談判小組他們去處理所以這個由談判小組來決定而不是由經濟部這邊經濟部是提供資訊讓整體的在政策的立場上面從零關稅開始談部長您贊不贊成零關稅\n\n7\n00:02:16,543 --> 00:02:33,442\n開始談當然贊成當然贊成嘛那如果跟美國針對有關於從零關稅開始談的這件事情你認為台灣政府應該表達的形式是什麼所以表達的形式是我們主動把關稅降下來還是要簽自由貿易協定\n\n8\n00:02:34,485 --> 00:03:01,433\n我們當然是以自由貿易協定為我們前提啦機率高不高我們沒有辦法判斷沒有辦法判斷嘛好那我們先澄清一個問題假設如果不是簽BTA的話假設啦如果不是簽BTA的話我們把關稅對美國的部分把它降下來了其他國家是不是要一體適用這個部分我們談判不會朝這個WTO的這個條款去談\n\n9\n00:03:02,779 --> 00:03:09,309\n我們該跟美國談這個就是台美之間的這個決定是啊是啊那個部長那個WTO相關的規範你應該還熟吧\n\n10\n00:03:11,195 --> 00:03:40,455\n還好嘛對嘛好那如果沒有BTA的話我們對美國降關稅對其他國家其他國家主張用最惠國待遇原則要怎麼辦不會啊我們這次談判應該是不朝那個方向那個是我們跟美國談嘛跟其他國家根本沒有在談這件事嘛我們談判的單位不可能說以傷害國內的這個權益為止當然我了解是所以嘛我才一直強調嘛為什麼我們在跟美國談的時候希望能夠爭取到BTA嘛\n\n11\n00:03:41,376 --> 00:03:50,958\n你如果沒有爭取到BTA的話在WTO的架構下那不就是有最惠國待遇原則嗎我講的應該沒有錯啊這個是很基本的事情啊\n\n12\n00:03:52,615 --> 00:04:17,498\n現在我擔心的就是什麼我並沒有說委員你是錯的對啦我們還是回到問題的基點嘛如果沒有簽到BTA我們對美國降關稅其他國家不能援引嗎其他國家會援引啊那個衝擊影響啊是遠遠超乎現在我們在政府所估算的範圍行政院所提供給委員們的那份報告您看過沒有\n\n13\n00:04:19,312 --> 00:04:41,170\n您看過沒有我不是委員所以我沒有看過所以行政院在提那個報告給委員的時候你也沒有參與我不是委員啊所以我不會收到不是啊那是行政院出來的報告啊那個是行政院出來的報告你是經濟部部長你還不熟喔我是經濟部部長所以我只熟經濟部的部分所以就經濟部的部分提供給委員的部分你看過沒有\n\n14\n00:04:42,625 --> 00:04:54,905\n我們送出去給行政院的報告我當然看過啦但行政院送什麼給我們你不清楚就對了行政院調整過他會調整嘛是所以那一部分我沒有看沒關係啊我不是委員嘛所以我看不到部長\n\n15\n00:04:55,765 --> 00:05:24,814\n你趕快看啊星期五的時候你就要陪院長啊到這邊啊來進行報告了我給你善意啊的提醒第二個部分啊針對美國貿易代表署啊在計算關稅的這個公式你看過了嗎我知道你知道嗎你贊不贊成這個公式這個我我贊不贊成我當然是不是不贊成啊你覺得這個公式有什麼問題這個公式當然我不是數學家啦所以我沒有辦法回答你這個問題\n\n16\n00:05:25,936 --> 00:05:53,408\n不是啊可是你剛剛已經說你不贊成啦我不贊成不代表我懂所以這個公式你也看不懂嗎這個公式我就是看不懂所以不贊成OK好非常好喔過去啊這段時間啊你的反應啊可能下面有些人會覺得很有趣但我覺得蠻嚴肅的為什麼蠻嚴肅的因為連川普總統啊自己的支持者一個大企業家他也說他看不懂\n\n17\n00:05:54,346 --> 00:06:19,098\n他完全看不懂這個公式代表的是什麼這也是為什麼我們行政院第一時間會說這個公式不合理嘛要不然我們的行政院院長怎麼會出來說這個公式不合理怎麼會課台灣這麼高的關稅那這個對我國接下來跟美國之間的談判非常的重要啊因為如果美國貿易代表署把這個公式寫在他們的官方文件上面就是我們所看到的這個嘛\n\n18\n00:06:20,407 --> 00:06:43,534\n就我們所看到的這一個它已經寫在官方文件上啦所以它重要的兩個係數一個是ε一個是φ就是在那個數學的公式上啦但是剛剛部長你也說了嘛這個公式你不是很熟那沒有關係我就不要跟部長進一步討論啦接下來在美國經濟學界對這個公式討論大家所舉出來的問題\n\n19\n00:06:44,934 --> 00:07:13,356\n時間的關係我最後只問一件事情剛剛有委員提到台灣遭受到美國關切的是不是有台灣的廠商在幫忙洗產地部長這個部分你有掌握嗎我們有掌握你們有掌握不允許這些廠商來台灣洗廠地絕對不允許嗎不允許OK好那個時間的關係我最後只提醒一件事情那個國發會的主委您坐在下面嗎\n\n20\n00:07:17,580 --> 00:07:46,411\n是不是可以請主委齁是不是可以請主委其他的不肖廠商做這種事情我們沒辦法容忍嘛但我們國發基金所投資的公司絕對不應該做這種事情主委贊不贊成呃我贊成你贊成嘛好主委我們會來清查清查清查喔國發基金投資的公司有沒有在幫中國的廠商洗產地國發基金清查需要多久\n\n21\n00:07:48,462 --> 00:08:04,985\n國發基金我們會發文出去然後看廠商的一個禮拜之內請他們回覆好不好可以可以請所有國發基金投資的公司切解喔有沒有在幫中國產品洗產地請他們一個禮拜之後回覆把答案提供給所有委員好不好好的好謝謝謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6058\t22766\t謝謝主席 有請部長郭部長委員好部長好那個川普政府對台灣客家的32%的高關稅生效了沒有\n25600\t48497\t川普政府對我國的產品客家的32%的高關稅生效了沒有從現在12點今天的12點開始生效對嘛我剛剛在下面聽有委員問你說要爭取要延緩生效你還說你會盡量努力我坐在下面聽完完全聽不懂現在就已經生效了第二個我們目前針對有關於這個高關稅產業衝擊影響評估做好沒有\n53462\t69799\t我們有做了已經做好了嗎什麼時候可以提供給所有的委員影響評估我們都有評估對可能衝擊的產業做法因為我們到現在拿不到我們的網站都有公告公告在網站上面\n71397\t94236\t我們具體的行政院的部分要14號才會出來14號才會出來經濟部這樣講好了行政院的部分14號才會出來院長禮拜五就要來這邊報告了我們那天去行政院開會的時候我跟院長要衝擊影響評估他們說做好了我請他們提供到現在也沒拿到\n95854\t108128\t所以就經濟部的部分已經先做好了是嗎那惠後部長可以提供嗎惠後部長可以提供嗎好那就請今天惠後部長提供我們進一步談針對賴總統所主張的零關稅經濟部的立場怎麼樣在不贊成\n113908\t132244\t零關稅開始談判不是零關稅支持不支持這個由我們的談判小組他們去處理所以這個由談判小組來決定而不是由經濟部這邊經濟部是提供資訊讓整體的在政策的立場上面從零關稅開始談 部長您贊不贊成零關稅\n136543\t153442\t開始談當然贊成當然贊成嘛那如果跟美國針對有關於從零關稅開始談的這件事情你認為台灣政府應該表達的形式是什麼所以表達的形式是我們主動把關稅降下來還是要簽自由貿易協定\n154485\t181433\t我們當然是以自由貿易協定為我們前提啦機率高不高我們沒有辦法判斷沒有辦法判斷嘛好那我們先澄清一個問題假設如果不是簽BTA的話假設啦如果不是簽BTA的話我們把關稅對美國的部分把它降下來了其他國家是不是要一體適用這個部分我們談判不會朝這個WTO的這個條款去談\n182779\t189309\t我們該跟美國談這個就是台美之間的這個決定是啊是啊那個部長那個WTO相關的規範你應該還熟吧\n191195\t220455\t還好嘛對嘛 好那如果沒有BTA的話我們對美國降關稅對其他國家其他國家主張用最惠國待遇原則要怎麼辦不會啊我們這次談判應該是不朝那個方向那個是我們跟美國談嘛跟其他國家根本沒有在談這件事嘛我們談判的單位不可能說以傷害國內的這個權益為止當然我了解是 所以嘛我才一直強調嘛為什麼我們在跟美國談的時候希望能夠爭取到BTA嘛\n221376\t230958\t你如果沒有爭取到BTA的話在WTO的架構下那不就是有最惠國待遇原則嗎我講的應該沒有錯啊這個是很基本的事情啊\n232615\t257498\t現在我擔心的就是什麼我並沒有說委員你是錯的對啦我們還是回到問題的基點嘛如果沒有簽到BTA我們對美國降關稅其他國家不能援引嗎其他國家會援引啊那個衝擊影響啊是遠遠超乎現在我們在政府所估算的範圍行政院所提供給委員們的那份報告您看過沒有\n259312\t281170\t您看過沒有我不是委員所以我沒有看過所以行政院在提那個報告給委員的時候你也沒有參與我不是委員啊所以我不會收到不是啊那是行政院出來的報告啊那個是行政院出來的報告你是經濟部部長你還不熟喔我是經濟部部長所以我只熟經濟部的部分所以就經濟部的部分提供給委員的部分你看過沒有\n282625\t294905\t我們送出去給行政院的報告我當然看過啦但行政院送什麼給我們你不清楚就對了行政院調整過他會調整嘛是所以那一部分我沒有看沒關係啊我不是委員嘛所以我看不到部長\n295765\t324814\t你趕快看啊星期五的時候你就要陪院長啊到這邊啊來進行報告了我給你善意啊的提醒第二個部分啊針對美國貿易代表署啊在計算關稅的這個公式你看過了嗎我知道你知道嗎你贊不贊成這個公式這個我我贊不贊成我當然是不是不贊成啊你覺得這個公式有什麼問題這個公式當然我不是數學家啦所以我沒有辦法回答你這個問題\n325936\t353408\t不是啊 可是你剛剛已經說你不贊成啦我不贊成不代表我懂所以這個公式你也看不懂嗎這個公式我就是看不懂所以不贊成OK 好非常好喔過去啊 這段時間啊你的反應啊可能下面有些人會覺得很有趣但我覺得蠻嚴肅的為什麼蠻嚴肅的因為連川普總統啊自己的支持者一個大企業家他也說他看不懂\n354346\t379098\t他完全看不懂這個公式代表的是什麼這也是為什麼我們行政院第一時間會說這個公式不合理嘛要不然我們的行政院院長怎麼會出來說這個公式不合理怎麼會課台灣這麼高的關稅那這個對我國接下來跟美國之間的談判非常的重要啊因為如果美國貿易代表署把這個公式寫在他們的官方文件上面就是我們所看到的這個嘛\n380407\t403534\t就我們所看到的這一個它已經寫在官方文件上啦所以它重要的兩個係數一個是ε一個是φ就是在那個數學的公式上啦但是剛剛部長你也說了嘛這個公式你不是很熟那沒有關係我就不要跟部長進一步討論啦接下來在美國經濟學界對這個公式討論大家所舉出來的問題\n404934\t433356\t時間的關係我最後只問一件事情剛剛有委員提到台灣遭受到美國關切的是不是有台灣的廠商在幫忙洗產地部長這個部分你有掌握嗎我們有掌握你們有掌握不允許這些廠商來台灣洗廠地絕對不允許嗎不允許OK好那個時間的關係我最後只提醒一件事情那個國發會的主委您坐在下面嗎\n437580\t466411\t是不是可以請主委齁是不是可以請主委其他的不肖廠商做這種事情我們沒辦法容忍嘛但我們國發基金所投資的公司絕對不應該做這種事情主委贊不贊成呃我贊成你贊成嘛好主委我們會來清查清查清查喔國發基金投資的公司有沒有在幫中國的廠商洗產地國發基金清查需要多久\n468462\t484985\t國發基金我們會發文出去然後看廠商的一個禮拜之內請他們回覆好不好可以可以請所有國發基金投資的公司切解喔有沒有在幫中國產品洗產地請他們一個禮拜之後回覆把答案提供給所有委員好不好好的好 謝謝謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請部長郭部長委員好部長好那個川普政府對台灣客家的32%的高關稅生效了沒有\n川普政府對我國的產品客家的32%的高關稅生效了沒有從現在12點今天的12點開始生效對嘛我剛剛在下面聽有委員問你說要爭取要延緩生效你還說你會盡量努力我坐在下面聽完完全聽不懂現在就已經生效了第二個我們目前針對有關於這個高關稅產業衝擊影響評估做好沒有\n我們有做了已經做好了嗎什麼時候可以提供給所有的委員影響評估我們都有評估對可能衝擊的產業做法因為我們到現在拿不到我們的網站都有公告公告在網站上面\n我們具體的行政院的部分要14號才會出來14號才會出來經濟部這樣講好了行政院的部分14號才會出來院長禮拜五就要來這邊報告了我們那天去行政院開會的時候我跟院長要衝擊影響評估他們說做好了我請他們提供到現在也沒拿到\n所以就經濟部的部分已經先做好了是嗎那惠後部長可以提供嗎惠後部長可以提供嗎好那就請今天惠後部長提供我們進一步談針對賴總統所主張的零關稅經濟部的立場怎麼樣在不贊成\n零關稅開始談判不是零關稅支持不支持這個由我們的談判小組他們去處理所以這個由談判小組來決定而不是由經濟部這邊經濟部是提供資訊讓整體的在政策的立場上面從零關稅開始談 部長您贊不贊成零關稅\n開始談當然贊成當然贊成嘛那如果跟美國針對有關於從零關稅開始談的這件事情你認為台灣政府應該表達的形式是什麼所以表達的形式是我們主動把關稅降下來還是要簽自由貿易協定\n我們當然是以自由貿易協定為我們前提啦機率高不高我們沒有辦法判斷沒有辦法判斷嘛好那我們先澄清一個問題假設如果不是簽BTA的話假設啦如果不是簽BTA的話我們把關稅對美國的部分把它降下來了其他國家是不是要一體適用這個部分我們談判不會朝這個WTO的這個條款去談\n我們該跟美國談這個就是台美之間的這個決定是啊是啊那個部長那個WTO相關的規範你應該還熟吧\n還好嘛對嘛 好那如果沒有BTA的話我們對美國降關稅對其他國家其他國家主張用最惠國待遇原則要怎麼辦不會啊我們這次談判應該是不朝那個方向那個是我們跟美國談嘛跟其他國家根本沒有在談這件事嘛我們談判的單位不可能說以傷害國內的這個權益為止當然我了解是 所以嘛我才一直強調嘛為什麼我們在跟美國談的時候希望能夠爭取到BTA嘛\n你如果沒有爭取到BTA的話在WTO的架構下那不就是有最惠國待遇原則嗎我講的應該沒有錯啊這個是很基本的事情啊\n現在我擔心的就是什麼我並沒有說委員你是錯的對啦我們還是回到問題的基點嘛如果沒有簽到BTA我們對美國降關稅其他國家不能援引嗎其他國家會援引啊那個衝擊影響啊是遠遠超乎現在我們在政府所估算的範圍行政院所提供給委員們的那份報告您看過沒有\n您看過沒有我不是委員所以我沒有看過所以行政院在提那個報告給委員的時候你也沒有參與我不是委員啊所以我不會收到不是啊那是行政院出來的報告啊那個是行政院出來的報告你是經濟部部長你還不熟喔我是經濟部部長所以我只熟經濟部的部分所以就經濟部的部分提供給委員的部分你看過沒有\n我們送出去給行政院的報告我當然看過啦但行政院送什麼給我們你不清楚就對了行政院調整過他會調整嘛是所以那一部分我沒有看沒關係啊我不是委員嘛所以我看不到部長\n你趕快看啊星期五的時候你就要陪院長啊到這邊啊來進行報告了我給你善意啊的提醒第二個部分啊針對美國貿易代表署啊在計算關稅的這個公式你看過了嗎我知道你知道嗎你贊不贊成這個公式這個我我贊不贊成我當然是不是不贊成啊你覺得這個公式有什麼問題這個公式當然我不是數學家啦所以我沒有辦法回答你這個問題\n不是啊 可是你剛剛已經說你不贊成啦我不贊成不代表我懂所以這個公式你也看不懂嗎這個公式我就是看不懂所以不贊成OK 好非常好喔過去啊 這段時間啊你的反應啊可能下面有些人會覺得很有趣但我覺得蠻嚴肅的為什麼蠻嚴肅的因為連川普總統啊自己的支持者一個大企業家他也說他看不懂\n他完全看不懂這個公式代表的是什麼這也是為什麼我們行政院第一時間會說這個公式不合理嘛要不然我們的行政院院長怎麼會出來說這個公式不合理怎麼會課台灣這麼高的關稅那這個對我國接下來跟美國之間的談判非常的重要啊因為如果美國貿易代表署把這個公式寫在他們的官方文件上面就是我們所看到的這個嘛\n就我們所看到的這一個它已經寫在官方文件上啦所以它重要的兩個係數一個是ε一個是φ就是在那個數學的公式上啦但是剛剛部長你也說了嘛這個公式你不是很熟那沒有關係我就不要跟部長進一步討論啦接下來在美國經濟學界對這個公式討論大家所舉出來的問題\n時間的關係我最後只問一件事情剛剛有委員提到台灣遭受到美國關切的是不是有台灣的廠商在幫忙洗產地部長這個部分你有掌握嗎我們有掌握你們有掌握不允許這些廠商來台灣洗廠地絕對不允許嗎不允許OK好那個時間的關係我最後只提醒一件事情那個國發會的主委您坐在下面嗎\n是不是可以請主委齁是不是可以請主委其他的不肖廠商做這種事情我們沒辦法容忍嘛但我們國發基金所投資的公司絕對不應該做這種事情主委贊不贊成呃我贊成你贊成嘛好主委我們會來清查清查清查喔國發基金投資的公司有沒有在幫中國的廠商洗產地國發基金清查需要多久\n國發基金我們會發文出去然後看廠商的一個禮拜之內請他們回覆好不好可以可以請所有國發基金投資的公司切解喔有沒有在幫中國產品洗產地請他們一個禮拜之後回覆把答案提供給所有委員好不好好的好 謝謝謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.058 --> 00:22.766\n謝謝主席有請部長郭部長委員好部長好那個川普政府對台灣客家的32%的高關稅生效了沒有\n\n00:25.600 --> 00:48.497\n川普政府對我國的產品客家的32%的高關稅生效了沒有從現在12點今天的12點開始生效對嘛我剛剛在下面聽有委員問你說要爭取要延緩生效你還說你會盡量努力我坐在下面聽完完全聽不懂現在就已經生效了第二個我們目前針對有關於這個高關稅產業衝擊影響評估做好沒有\n\n00:53.462 --> 01:09.799\n我們有做了已經做好了嗎什麼時候可以提供給所有的委員影響評估我們都有評估對可能衝擊的產業做法因為我們到現在拿不到我們的網站都有公告公告在網站上面\n\n01:11.397 --> 01:34.236\n我們具體的行政院的部分要14號才會出來14號才會出來經濟部這樣講好了行政院的部分14號才會出來院長禮拜五就要來這邊報告了我們那天去行政院開會的時候我跟院長要衝擊影響評估他們說做好了我請他們提供到現在也沒拿到\n\n01:35.854 --> 01:48.128\n所以就經濟部的部分已經先做好了是嗎那惠後部長可以提供嗎惠後部長可以提供嗎好那就請今天惠後部長提供我們進一步談針對賴總統所主張的零關稅經濟部的立場怎麼樣在不贊成\n\n01:53.908 --> 02:12.244\n零關稅開始談判不是零關稅支持不支持這個由我們的談判小組他們去處理所以這個由談判小組來決定而不是由經濟部這邊經濟部是提供資訊讓整體的在政策的立場上面從零關稅開始談部長您贊不贊成零關稅\n\n02:16.543 --> 02:33.442\n開始談當然贊成當然贊成嘛那如果跟美國針對有關於從零關稅開始談的這件事情你認為台灣政府應該表達的形式是什麼所以表達的形式是我們主動把關稅降下來還是要簽自由貿易協定\n\n02:34.485 --> 03:01.433\n我們當然是以自由貿易協定為我們前提啦機率高不高我們沒有辦法判斷沒有辦法判斷嘛好那我們先澄清一個問題假設如果不是簽BTA的話假設啦如果不是簽BTA的話我們把關稅對美國的部分把它降下來了其他國家是不是要一體適用這個部分我們談判不會朝這個WTO的這個條款去談\n\n03:02.779 --> 03:09.309\n我們該跟美國談這個就是台美之間的這個決定是啊是啊那個部長那個WTO相關的規範你應該還熟吧\n\n03:11.195 --> 03:40.455\n還好嘛對嘛好那如果沒有BTA的話我們對美國降關稅對其他國家其他國家主張用最惠國待遇原則要怎麼辦不會啊我們這次談判應該是不朝那個方向那個是我們跟美國談嘛跟其他國家根本沒有在談這件事嘛我們談判的單位不可能說以傷害國內的這個權益為止當然我了解是所以嘛我才一直強調嘛為什麼我們在跟美國談的時候希望能夠爭取到BTA嘛\n\n03:41.376 --> 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