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00:02:16,673\n現在剛剛已經講因為賴總統的宣示基本上是所有的產業都包含在內剛剛黃國昌委員等等其實也都有提到如果你一旦降了汽車關稅其他可能要求你准用WTO的最惠國待遇也就是說他當然就一去就不回頭了那我想請問針對汽車產業的調節跟衝擊的影響評估這個\n\n7\n00:02:20,894 --> 00:02:37,015\n包含汽車不是只有大家都講裕隆、納智捷嘛然後都說他們很爛對不對這我們今天不做評論但是也不只啦還有中華汽車有國瑞等等他其實都是國產車的代表好或不好今天不在這裡做論斷但是這樣子的叫做汽車的整車製造就本席的了解啦這樣子的這個產業的從業人數5.2萬人\n\n8\n00:02:40,078 --> 00:02:51,153\n還不只是有整車製造嘛那請問部長或者是你後面下面的這些這個幕僚知不知道啊零組件的產業大概有幾家從業的人數有多少\n\n9\n00:02:52,805 --> 00:03:09,068\n零組件的廠商其實跟委員報告這個就是你如果是primarymarket可能我們有的廠商受的傷害不會很大但是我們有一個aftermarket的廠商其實蠻強的\n\n10\n00:03:10,711 --> 00:03:39,478\n就有些他競爭力強有些競爭力但總體來講因為我們今天如果要討論880億處理全台灣的產業那一定是不清楚的嘛但有幾個有兩千多億的這個產值產值兩千多億至少有一點數據做基礎因為現在大家討論如果關稅降下來汽車產業會被衝擊農業會被衝擊今天應該針對這些特別被點名的產業的產業鏈的衝擊影響評估要有更詳細的報告這是我今天希望看到的我們是有報告齁如果這個需要的話我們今天下午就可以送給今天下午OK\n\n11\n00:03:39,958 --> 00:04:00,030\n就本席目前的了解啦好目前的了解全台灣的這樣子的國內的汽車產業鏈喔這個整車製造我剛剛講過了從業人數5.2萬人佔整體汽車產業就業人口17.3%零組件供應有超過2000家的各式各樣零組件的廠商它當然有些強勢有些弱勢但他們的共同身份是什麼中小企業嘛\n\n12\n00:04:00,410 --> 00:04:17,121\n你今天討論我們難道不需要針對特定的業別做更多的調查嗎這樣子的一些從業人你剛剛講產值2000億從業人數就本行現有的資料啦你官方有更精準的資料沒有關係從業人數24.8萬人佔整體汽車產業直接佔就業人口82.7%加起來整車製造跟零組件上下游加起來大概總共有30萬的就業人口可能會因為汽車關稅的鬆綁受到一定的衝擊我現在請問經濟部\n\n13\n00:04:29,581 --> 00:04:51,346\n詳細的數據比如說這兩千多家或八萬整車製造他們會掉多少單有沒有哪些產業被衝擊到會直接有裁員或者是無薪假的狀況你們現在有沒有掌握報告委員我想我們現在就是說有做一些這個情境的分析那台灣也不會因為說這個零關稅以後進口車大家都來買進口車然後這個國內車我想我們會幫助國內這些廠商來做轉型\n\n14\n00:04:58,055 --> 00:05:20,060\n即使今天因為時間有限啊但因為沒關係後面還有專案報告我們都還有總諮詢但我希望經濟部做好準備啦特別針對幾個已經被擺上檯面的產業你總要有詳細的數據嘛我們才會知道說這881要怎麼下它是單純的補貼還是怎麼樣因為你881只是講大方向沒有意思嘛我本席最關心的不外乎就是掉多少單有沒有人會失業啊\n\n15\n00:05:20,660 --> 00:05:40,993\n我們有多少人因為這樣失去工作或是要放無薪假請問你政府的錢有沒有到這些人的口袋裡去減輕衝擊嘛你如果對各產業鏈的分析不夠了解的時候你當然就我們就無從知道這881下的有沒有價值或者是需不需要增加所以我至少我們今天很有意義因為部長講這個今天下午我們就會拿到汽車產業鏈的相關的衝擊分析報告對不對我再確認一次\n\n16\n00:05:42,352 --> 00:05:53,682\n好不好那就麻煩經濟部提供資料不只是汽車啦我也提醒其他相關的電子零組件農產品等等都要有分門別類的報告而且盡量要讓立法委員來參考要公開透明好不好\n\n17\n00:05:56,713 --> 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有些弱勢但他們的共同身份是什麼中小企業嘛\n240410\t257121\t你今天討論我們難道不需要針對特定的業別做更多的調查嗎這樣子的一些從業人你剛剛講產值2000億從業人數就本行現有的資料啦你官方有更精準的資料沒有關係從業人數24.8萬人佔整體汽車產業直接佔就業人口82.7%加起來整車製造跟零組件上下游加起來大概總共有30萬的就業人口可能會因為汽車關稅的鬆綁受到一定的衝擊我現在請問經濟部\n269581\t291346\t詳細的數據比如說這兩千多家或八萬整車製造他們會掉多少單有沒有哪些產業被衝擊到會直接有裁員或者是無薪假的狀況你們現在有沒有掌握報告委員我想我們現在就是說有做一些這個情境的分析那台灣也不會因為說這個零關稅以後進口車大家都來買進口車然後這個國內車我想我們會幫助國內這些廠商來做轉型\n298055\t320060\t即使今天因為時間有限啊但因為沒關係後面還有專案報告我們都還有總諮詢但我希望經濟部做好準備啦特別針對幾個已經被擺上檯面的產業你總要有詳細的數據嘛我們才會知道說這881要怎麼下它是單純的補貼還是怎麼樣因為你881只是講大方向沒有意思嘛我本席最關心的不外乎就是掉多少單有沒有人會失業啊\n320660\t340993\t我們有多少人因為這樣失去工作或是要放無薪假請問你政府的錢有沒有到這些人的口袋裡去減輕衝擊嘛你如果對各產業鏈的分析不夠了解的時候你當然就我們就無從知道這881下的有沒有價值或者是需不需要增加所以我至少我們今天很有意義因為部長講這個今天下午我們就會拿到汽車產業鏈的相關的衝擊分析報告對不對我再確認一次\n342352\t353682\t好不好 那就麻煩經濟部提供資料不只是汽車啦 我也提醒其他相關的 電子零組件 農產品等等都要有分門別類的報告而且盡量要讓立法委員來參考要公開透明好不好\n356713\t379428\t好 農業部獨立啦 沒關係但你經濟部所有的對 各條產業鏈好不好農業部也應該要有啦但沒關係今天這個就不為難你就是今天的這個我們有做了一份報告你就把相關的報告就送交而且這位知道其實在你禮拜五的這個說明的時候他其實越詳細越好這樣大家在未來在審查這個預算要不要放行的時候你也會有更多的說明的依據可以嗎謝謝委員好 謝謝部長好\n","txt":"謝謝主席 郭部長有請郭部長委員好 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