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00:00:24,811\n謝謝主席我們請部長還有署長觀光署長請部長署長委員好召委好部長署長大家好你今天很累我知道但是也要要求你先看這個數據\n\n2\n00:00:28,143 --> 00:00:52,466\n日本3000多萬、泰國3000多萬、越南1700多萬、韓國1600多萬他們的明年的目標通通有在增加那剛剛其實其昌委員提到的我也蠻有感觸的啦我跟部長報告一下就是日本在2030年他的目標期望值是6000萬\n\n3\n00:00:55,117 --> 00:01:17,772\n所以我們在看事情不是只是看這個時刻那也不是只是看明年我要達到什麼目標我長遠來講應該怎麼樣去做比如說日本他要達到6000萬2030年他該做多少事他現在就應該要想啦\n\n4\n00:01:20,370 --> 00:01:30,959\n而我們公安署今年是786萬民警的目標是去年是786今年的目標是1000萬\n\n5\n00:01:35,236 --> 00:02:02,850\n明年啊2030年啊我們有沒有目標我們有一個長期的規劃啦那個當然也有一個目標值但目前還在討論當中這個計畫我們還在討論發生這個目標我們要拿什麼特色來吸引人家來比如說你去日本你可能想說去洗溫泉啦日本很乾淨啦你去泰國你可能想說去玩水啦\n\n6\n00:02:04,275 --> 00:02:31,868\n好那部長你來台灣你是外國人你台灣最想去哪裡如果是外國人的觀點如果是你的我們討論了很多啦就是大家對台灣的這個知道的點大概就那幾個好例如說101那幾個之外還沒有想到什麼對大概101故宮日月潭阿里山等等之類的還想去哪裡嘛除了這幾個剛才有人講過好像是先傳還是其他人講過署長那個\n\n7\n00:02:33,566 --> 00:03:01,915\n你現在來台灣除了剛才他們講過這幾個點你還想去哪裡還想做什麼我們現在全球都是以主題式的理由啦譬如說有曼城有小鎮然後有我簡單的講因為時間不多我只是提問題讓你們想啦因為其實回答都差不多啦因為我做主席在這裡聽這麼久回答出來的答案都差不多啦我想說就是說我們用一個不一樣的想法去思考\n\n8\n00:03:03,356 --> 00:03:25,468\n我到底是要怎麼keepin我的時間要多久我有什麼要求嗎所以我現在第一個想法就是我希望觀光部觀光署跟交通部我們想一下2030年我們大概希望多少人而不是只是想今年我要多少人我明年要多少人那我大概多少人之後呢我應該要怎麼樣去完成\n\n9\n00:03:27,845 --> 00:03:54,651\n比如說台灣比其他國家強的地方是什麼我們要用比其他地方強的來吸引人家來比如說自然風光比如說歷史文化比如說在地特色那我到底是用哪一些點就像剛才部長一直說的你要希望一個圖像\n\n10\n00:03:57,535 --> 00:04:24,786\n人們要來台灣的圖像是什麼其實我之前部長之前我也跟署長提過就是說其實我認為台灣比世界最強的其實是美食啦你想要去台灣做什麼,我會去台灣吃很多好吃的東西全世界各地的美食都有比如說剛才那個巧克力過河果我倒還蠻喜歡的\n\n11\n00:04:27,591 --> 00:04:53,925\n類似那一種感覺就是說進步的我們希望有創造出來嗎比如說剛剛署長也有提到的米其林我之前也有要求過就是說台北有米其林我們國用沒有米其林現在感謝有來了啦有好幾家我們高雄現在已經有滿多米其林來了所以這個也要謝謝署長有聽進去有努力但是我一直\n\n12\n00:04:55,547 --> 00:05:12,559\n語重心長或者我一直很感慨的希望就是說我希望創造剛才柏中說的我們有圖像剛才蘇中說的我們有主題讓世界的人看到台灣想到這個東西他想要來所以這個問題很大啦也不是很容易就馬上回答我我也知道我仔細記一下其實我一直覺得說\n\n13\n00:05:26,104 --> 00:05:51,193\n我們台灣的美食真的可以影響全世界我在北部、中部、南部、東部定定我要創造什麼特色出來我可以跟地方政府討論我地方政府可以補助去創造一個東西出來比如說之前我也跟署長提到我們台鐵其實現在公司的話部長也很熟了\n\n14\n00:05:52,602 --> 00:06:17,711\n說實話之後台鐵其實有很多我之前也舉例過就是六都風華或者是鐵道秘境六都風華就是說我每個直轄市裡面我要創造什麼直轄市的特色共同創造我鐵道秘境裡面我每一個鄉間小村啊我每一個店啊我都可以找出那個地方的在地特色說實在的\n\n15\n00:06:19,181 --> 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我的時間要多久 我有什麼要求嗎所以我現在第一個想法就是我希望觀光部 觀光署跟交通部我們想一下2030年我們大概希望多少人而不是只是想今年我要多少人 我明年要多少人那我大概多少人之後呢 我應該要怎麼樣去完成\n207845\t234651\t比如說台灣比其他國家強的地方是什麼我們要用比其他地方強的來吸引人家來比如說自然風光比如說歷史文化比如說在地特色那我到底是用哪一些點就像剛才部長一直說的 你要希望一個圖像\n237535\t264786\t人們要來台灣的圖像是什麼其實我之前部長之前我也跟署長提過就是說其實我認為台灣比世界最強的其實是美食啦你想要去台灣做什麼,我會去台灣吃很多好吃的東西全世界各地的美食都有比如說剛才那個巧克力過河果我倒還蠻喜歡的\n267591\t293925\t類似那一種感覺就是說進步的我們希望有創造出來嗎比如說剛剛署長也有提到的米其林我之前也有要求過就是說台北有米其林我們國用沒有米其林現在感謝有來了啦有好幾家我們高雄現在已經有滿多米其林來了所以這個也要謝謝署長有聽進去有努力但是我一直\n295547\t312559\t語重心長或者我一直很感慨的希望就是說我希望創造剛才柏中說的我們有圖像剛才蘇中說的我們有主題讓世界的人看到台灣想到這個東西他想要來所以這個問題很大啦也不是很容易就馬上回答我我也知道我仔細記一下其實我一直覺得說\n326104\t351193\t我們台灣的美食真的可以影響全世界我在北部、中部、南部、東部定定我要創造什麼特色出來我可以跟地方政府討論我地方政府可以補助去創造一個東西出來比如說之前我也跟署長提到我們台鐵其實現在公司的話部長也很熟了\n352602\t377711\t說實話之後台鐵其實有很多我之前也舉例過就是六都風華或者是鐵道秘境六都風華就是說我每個直轄市裡面我要創造什麼直轄市的特色共同創造我鐵道秘境裡面我每一個鄉間小村啊我每一個店啊我都可以找出那個地方的在地特色說實在的\n379181\t392655\t最在地才會最國際啦那我今天如果沒有在地特色我就很難創造出國際的人來觀光嘛所以是不是就是說請交通部跟觀光署就是說今天我們一\n395970\t420826\t假設部長有一天你當院長啦假設啦那假設是2030年啦我給你預測這樣會不會有進步那你再看回來啦你今天的想法跟五年後、六年後之後你現在有沒有辦法落實那台灣創造什麼樣的特色我們廣東人口日本現在六千好了我現在假設台灣兩千好了啦\n426355\t451730\t我現在今年是七八六嘛我設定我二零三年我要兩千萬嘛我要有這種破例跟願景去做幾位去結合各個不同的部會今天我交通部因為觀光室的程序沒到那裡他要去結合各部會有困難這樣交通部我依交通觀光部的角度\n453283\t459008\t我和各部會、各地方政府聯繫我們就會討論類似創造這樣子的特色台灣有機會在2030年創造2000萬的觀光人口進來\n468719\t495682\t這樣會改良我不知道保庭會接受嗎報告委員您這個概念是很正確啦就是說我們要先設定一個目標那在這幾個幾年裡面要怎麼樣達成這個目標台灣應該呈現什麼樣子的觀光的印象給全球的客人這個是我們該去塑造的那也確實剛剛委員有提醒一點我們要跟各部會一起合作因為坦白講觀光署目前能做的大部分是行銷告訴大家現在的台灣是什麼樣子\n496423\t514135\t但是台灣要真的變得很好玩是大家一起努力包含地方政府包含各部會大家一起努力才有辦法變得更好謝謝部長因為時間的關係這個部分我們會跟大家討論我也沒有想要吵架就是我們最要一句話就是說像日本這樣他們希望2030年是六千萬\n515396\t543652\t那我希望2030年台灣市兩千萬那部長2030年你可能還有機會再公佈門我希望那時候問你的時候可以看到成果這樣大頭有比較長啦但是我是覺得你沒有這樣規劃到格局你要你就做不到那個程度嘛那各部會該協調的就像部長帶著觀光署怎麼樣去協調各部會我的目標就是要達到這樣子一個期望值\n544172\t571628\t那有很多需要努力的有很多不同的各個不同的面向都需要去努力的那你就是要有一個這樣的步驟去找觀光室去協調各部會去設定期望者去做一個主題或是特色的創造跟改變我們看我就看到那個當時2013年年當時那個時候我們可以看到的成果是往這個目標去努力好不好好希望可以達成啊好我們努力好好好謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們請部長 還有署長 觀光署長請部長 署長委員好 召委好部長 署長 大家好你今天很累 我知道 但是也要要求你先看這個數據\n日本3000多萬、泰國3000多萬、越南1700多萬、韓國1600多萬他們的明年的目標通通有在增加那剛剛其實其昌委員提到的我也蠻有感觸的啦我跟部長報告一下就是日本在2030年他的目標期望值是6000萬\n所以我們在看事情不是只是看這個時刻那也不是只是看明年我要達到什麼目標我長遠來講應該怎麼樣去做比如說日本他要達到6000萬2030年他該做多少事他現在就應該要想啦\n而我們公安署今年是786萬民警的目標是去年是786 今年的目標是1000萬\n明年啊2030年啊我們有沒有目標我們有一個長期的規劃啦那個當然也有一個目標值但目前還在討論當中這個計畫我們還在討論發生這個目標我們要拿什麼特色來吸引人家來比如說你去日本你可能想說去洗溫泉啦日本很乾淨啦你去泰國你可能想說去玩水啦\n好那部長你來台灣你是外國人你台灣最想去哪裡如果是外國人的觀點如果是你的我們討論了很多啦就是大家對台灣的這個知道的點大概就那幾個好例如說101那幾個之外還沒有想到什麼對大概101故宮日月潭阿里山等等之類的還想去哪裡嘛除了這幾個剛才有人講過好像是先傳還是其他人講過署長那個\n你現在來台灣除了剛才他們講過這幾個點你還想去哪裡 還想做什麼我們現在全球都是以主題式的理由啦譬如說有曼城 有小鎮然後有我簡單的講因為時間不多我只是提問題讓你們想啦因為其實回答都差不多啦因為我做主席在這裡聽這麼久回答出來的答案都差不多啦我想說就是說我們用一個不一樣的想法去思考\n我到底是要怎麼keep in 我的時間要多久 我有什麼要求嗎所以我現在第一個想法就是我希望觀光部 觀光署跟交通部我們想一下2030年我們大概希望多少人而不是只是想今年我要多少人 我明年要多少人那我大概多少人之後呢 我應該要怎麼樣去完成\n比如說台灣比其他國家強的地方是什麼我們要用比其他地方強的來吸引人家來比如說自然風光比如說歷史文化比如說在地特色那我到底是用哪一些點就像剛才部長一直說的 你要希望一個圖像\n人們要來台灣的圖像是什麼其實我之前部長之前我也跟署長提過就是說其實我認為台灣比世界最強的其實是美食啦你想要去台灣做什麼,我會去台灣吃很多好吃的東西全世界各地的美食都有比如說剛才那個巧克力過河果我倒還蠻喜歡的\n類似那一種感覺就是說進步的我們希望有創造出來嗎比如說剛剛署長也有提到的米其林我之前也有要求過就是說台北有米其林我們國用沒有米其林現在感謝有來了啦有好幾家我們高雄現在已經有滿多米其林來了所以這個也要謝謝署長有聽進去有努力但是我一直\n語重心長或者我一直很感慨的希望就是說我希望創造剛才柏中說的我們有圖像剛才蘇中說的我們有主題讓世界的人看到台灣想到這個東西他想要來所以這個問題很大啦也不是很容易就馬上回答我我也知道我仔細記一下其實我一直覺得說\n我們台灣的美食真的可以影響全世界我在北部、中部、南部、東部定定我要創造什麼特色出來我可以跟地方政府討論我地方政府可以補助去創造一個東西出來比如說之前我也跟署長提到我們台鐵其實現在公司的話部長也很熟了\n說實話之後台鐵其實有很多我之前也舉例過就是六都風華或者是鐵道秘境六都風華就是說我每個直轄市裡面我要創造什麼直轄市的特色共同創造我鐵道秘境裡面我每一個鄉間小村啊我每一個店啊我都可以找出那個地方的在地特色說實在的\n最在地才會最國際啦那我今天如果沒有在地特色我就很難創造出國際的人來觀光嘛所以是不是就是說請交通部跟觀光署就是說今天我們一\n假設部長有一天你當院長啦假設啦那假設是2030年啦我給你預測這樣會不會有進步那你再看回來啦你今天的想法跟五年後、六年後之後你現在有沒有辦法落實那台灣創造什麼樣的特色我們廣東人口日本現在六千好了我現在假設台灣兩千好了啦\n我現在今年是七八六嘛我設定我二零三年我要兩千萬嘛我要有這種破例跟願景去做幾位去結合各個不同的部會今天我交通部因為觀光室的程序沒到那裡他要去結合各部會有困難這樣交通部我依交通觀光部的角度\n我和各部會、各地方政府聯繫我們就會討論類似創造這樣子的特色台灣有機會在2030年創造2000萬的觀光人口進來\n這樣會改良我不知道保庭會接受嗎報告委員您這個概念是很正確啦就是說我們要先設定一個目標那在這幾個幾年裡面要怎麼樣達成這個目標台灣應該呈現什麼樣子的觀光的印象給全球的客人這個是我們該去塑造的那也確實剛剛委員有提醒一點我們要跟各部會一起合作因為坦白講觀光署目前能做的大部分是行銷告訴大家現在的台灣是什麼樣子\n但是台灣要真的變得很好玩是大家一起努力包含地方政府包含各部會大家一起努力才有辦法變得更好謝謝部長因為時間的關係這個部分我們會跟大家討論我也沒有想要吵架就是我們最要一句話就是說像日本這樣他們希望2030年是六千萬\n那我希望2030年台灣市兩千萬那部長2030年你可能還有機會再公佈門我希望那時候問你的時候可以看到成果這樣大頭有比較長啦但是我是覺得你沒有這樣規劃到格局你要你就做不到那個程度嘛那各部會該協調的就像部長帶著觀光署怎麼樣去協調各部會我的目標就是要達到這樣子一個期望值\n那有很多需要努力的有很多不同的各個不同的面向都需要去努力的那你就是要有一個這樣的步驟去找觀光室去協調各部會去設定期望者去做一個主題或是特色的創造跟改變我們看我就看到那個當時2013年年當時那個時候我們可以看到的成果是往這個目標去努力好不好好希望可以達成啊好我們努力好好好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.329 --> 00:24.811\n謝謝主席我們請部長還有署長觀光署長請部長署長委員好召委好部長署長大家好你今天很累我知道但是也要要求你先看這個數據\n\n00:28.143 --> 00:52.466\n日本3000多萬、泰國3000多萬、越南1700多萬、韓國1600多萬他們的明年的目標通通有在增加那剛剛其實其昌委員提到的我也蠻有感觸的啦我跟部長報告一下就是日本在2030年他的目標期望值是6000萬\n\n00:55.117 --> 01:17.772\n所以我們在看事情不是只是看這個時刻那也不是只是看明年我要達到什麼目標我長遠來講應該怎麼樣去做比如說日本他要達到6000萬2030年他該做多少事他現在就應該要想啦\n\n01:20.370 --> 01:30.959\n而我們公安署今年是786萬民警的目標是去年是786今年的目標是1000萬\n\n01:35.236 --> 02:02.850\n明年啊2030年啊我們有沒有目標我們有一個長期的規劃啦那個當然也有一個目標值但目前還在討論當中這個計畫我們還在討論發生這個目標我們要拿什麼特色來吸引人家來比如說你去日本你可能想說去洗溫泉啦日本很乾淨啦你去泰國你可能想說去玩水啦\n\n02:04.275 --> 02:31.868\n好那部長你來台灣你是外國人你台灣最想去哪裡如果是外國人的觀點如果是你的我們討論了很多啦就是大家對台灣的這個知道的點大概就那幾個好例如說101那幾個之外還沒有想到什麼對大概101故宮日月潭阿里山等等之類的還想去哪裡嘛除了這幾個剛才有人講過好像是先傳還是其他人講過署長那個\n\n02:33.566 --> 03:01.915\n你現在來台灣除了剛才他們講過這幾個點你還想去哪裡還想做什麼我們現在全球都是以主題式的理由啦譬如說有曼城有小鎮然後有我簡單的講因為時間不多我只是提問題讓你們想啦因為其實回答都差不多啦因為我做主席在這裡聽這麼久回答出來的答案都差不多啦我想說就是說我們用一個不一樣的想法去思考\n\n03:03.356 --> 03:25.468\n我到底是要怎麼keepin我的時間要多久我有什麼要求嗎所以我現在第一個想法就是我希望觀光部觀光署跟交通部我們想一下2030年我們大概希望多少人而不是只是想今年我要多少人我明年要多少人那我大概多少人之後呢我應該要怎麼樣去完成\n\n03:27.845 --> 03:54.651\n比如說台灣比其他國家強的地方是什麼我們要用比其他地方強的來吸引人家來比如說自然風光比如說歷史文化比如說在地特色那我到底是用哪一些點就像剛才部長一直說的你要希望一個圖像\n\n03:57.535 --> 04:24.786\n人們要來台灣的圖像是什麼其實我之前部長之前我也跟署長提過就是說其實我認為台灣比世界最強的其實是美食啦你想要去台灣做什麼,我會去台灣吃很多好吃的東西全世界各地的美食都有比如說剛才那個巧克力過河果我倒還蠻喜歡的\n\n04:27.591 --> 04:53.925\n類似那一種感覺就是說進步的我們希望有創造出來嗎比如說剛剛署長也有提到的米其林我之前也有要求過就是說台北有米其林我們國用沒有米其林現在感謝有來了啦有好幾家我們高雄現在已經有滿多米其林來了所以這個也要謝謝署長有聽進去有努力但是我一直\n\n04:55.547 --> 05:12.559\n語重心長或者我一直很感慨的希望就是說我希望創造剛才柏中說的我們有圖像剛才蘇中說的我們有主題讓世界的人看到台灣想到這個東西他想要來所以這個問題很大啦也不是很容易就馬上回答我我也知道我仔細記一下其實我一直覺得說\n\n05:26.104 --> 05:51.193\n我們台灣的美食真的可以影響全世界我在北部、中部、南部、東部定定我要創造什麼特色出來我可以跟地方政府討論我地方政府可以補助去創造一個東西出來比如說之前我也跟署長提到我們台鐵其實現在公司的話部長也很熟了\n\n05:52.602 --> 06:17.711\n說實話之後台鐵其實有很多我之前也舉例過就是六都風華或者是鐵道秘境六都風華就是說我每個直轄市裡面我要創造什麼直轄市的特色共同創造我鐵道秘境裡面我每一個鄉間小村啊我每一個店啊我都可以找出那個地方的在地特色說實在的\n\n06:19.181 --> 06:32.655\n最在地才會最國際啦那我今天如果沒有在地特色我就很難創造出國際的人來觀光嘛所以是不是就是說請交通部跟觀光署就是說今天我們一\n\n06:35.970 --> 07:00.826\n假設部長有一天你當院長啦假設啦那假設是2030年啦我給你預測這樣會不會有進步那你再看回來啦你今天的想法跟五年後、六年後之後你現在有沒有辦法落實那台灣創造什麼樣的特色我們廣東人口日本現在六千好了我現在假設台灣兩千好了啦\n\n07:06.355 --> 07:31.730\n我現在今年是七八六嘛我設定我二零三年我要兩千萬嘛我要有這種破例跟願景去做幾位去結合各個不同的部會今天我交通部因為觀光室的程序沒到那裡他要去結合各部會有困難這樣交通部我依交通觀光部的角度\n\n07:33.283 --> 07:39.008\n我和各部會、各地方政府聯繫我們就會討論類似創造這樣子的特色台灣有機會在2030年創造2000萬的觀光人口進來\n\n07:48.719 --> 08:15.682\n這樣會改良我不知道保庭會接受嗎報告委員您這個概念是很正確啦就是說我們要先設定一個目標那在這幾個幾年裡面要怎麼樣達成這個目標台灣應該呈現什麼樣子的觀光的印象給全球的客人這個是我們該去塑造的那也確實剛剛委員有提醒一點我們要跟各部會一起合作因為坦白講觀光署目前能做的大部分是行銷告訴大家現在的台灣是什麼樣子\n\n08:16.423 --> 08:34.135\n但是台灣要真的變得很好玩是大家一起努力包含地方政府包含各部會大家一起努力才有辦法變得更好謝謝部長因為時間的關係這個部分我們會跟大家討論我也沒有想要吵架就是我們最要一句話就是說像日本這樣他們希望2030年是六千萬\n\n08:35.396 --> 09:03.652\n那我希望2030年台灣市兩千萬那部長2030年你可能還有機會再公佈門我希望那時候問你的時候可以看到成果這樣大頭有比較長啦但是我是覺得你沒有這樣規劃到格局你要你就做不到那個程度嘛那各部會該協調的就像部長帶著觀光署怎麼樣去協調各部會我的目標就是要達到這樣子一個期望值\n\n09:04.172 --> 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，這個部分其實我們都有一定的機制。最近這幾個月其實遇到滿多的地震，我們也都是照這個SOP在走，平常時的演練，其實因為臺灣時常在地震，不用演練也時常在做實際的SOP操作。"],["游委員顥：我們要居安思危，我知道目前在國家防災日的時候，會配合地震時停車跟疏散旅客，來進行地震避難的演練，我在之前去日本做學術交流，他們在防災及演練的部分，其實他們的次數非常多。我想就教一下，目前臺灣的地震比較頻傳，甚至有大型地震的這種可能性，因為中央氣象署有警告過了，也有提示過了，所以有沒有可能會增加地震演練的次數跟規模？比如區域……"],["陳部長世凱：目前分區一年都各有一次。"],["游委員顥：對，一年一次，其實就是針對國家防災日的時候，相對會比較少，那個次數太少。"],["陳部長世凱：委員的提醒其實沒有錯，確實最近地震的頻繁度，以我自身的感受，頻繁度似乎是有變高了一些，這方面的演練或許我們可以再加強，我們會拜託包含臺鐵和高鐵都做這方面的演練。"],["游委員顥：對於大型地震的通報是中央氣象署的通報嗎？在臺鐵或是部長這邊有沒有辦法在第一時間收到大型的大地震的通報以及災害的狀況？因為就監測機制，臺鐵這些鐵軌的監測機制是現有的，不是平常的那種狀況。"],["陳部長世凱：其實都有感測器，它各個變電系統都有感測器，對於各地的地震狀況，他們也都有感測器。另外一方面是氣象署，像剛剛的地震，在震之前，氣象署的訊息都已經先進來了，所以這個部分其實訊息在這個時代是非常得快。"],["游委員顥：好，因為時間有限，本席還是建議增加防災演練的次數及規模，好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：好，這個我會安排。"],["游委員顥：另外，在賴清德總統談話之後，臺海危機是逐漸升溫，假如在戰爭時期，對於臺鐵相關的疏散，或是做戰時輸運轉運的部分有沒有任何的配套方案？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，其實我們有配合內政部的全社會防衛韌性的演練，我們各個單位都有做不一樣的演練，所有交通體系的所有的單位都有做不一樣的規劃跟演練。"],["游委員顥：有關於臺鐵的部分有演練過幾次？"],["馮總經理輝昇：報告委員，我們每年各分區都會做一次演練。"],["游委員顥：這是戰爭時期的演練嗎？"],["馮總經理輝昇：對，我們也會跟國防部……"],["游委員顥：那是配合萬安46號的時候做演練？"],["馮總經理輝昇：對，那是萬安演習，但我們各分區有各分區自己內部依照我們的災害防救要點，要辦演習。"],["游委員顥：所以在演習的時候，像臺鐵這些火車都是被徵用的嗎？"],["馮總經理輝昇：我們演習會有劇本，如果像萬安演習，各單位消防、國防等相關單位有劇本，依照劇本我們要提供的車輛跟人員，我們都會來配合。"],["游委員顥：一年演練幾次？"],["馮總經理輝昇：萬安演習是一年會擇定地點演習一次，我們自己各分區的，每一年還會依照實際的狀況，還有當年度發生的一些事件、事故，針對比較重點的項目，我們來做演練。"],["游委員顥：本席還是建議，萬安主要是針對空襲模擬、照明熄滅跟旅客疏散，其實真正要遇到這種情況的應變來講，這樣子的演練規模可能不夠，所以本席還是建議居安思危，包括在遇到這種突發狀況的時候，可能還是需要多一些演練的過程跟劇本。","另外再請教部長，你剛才有提到來臺旅遊的人數有增加，在第一季的部分，那這就跟觀光署有關，這個220萬人，你預計在第二季目標大約可以達到多少萬人？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，我們當然希望可以再增加更多，目前看起來第一季只有增加3%，這個部分坦白說我是覺得有點少，我們希望能夠再繼續增加更多。至於到底預測有多少？早上也有許多委員一直在問及第二季，這個變數其實蠻大，因為現在看到關稅戰，全球的經貿到底會長什麼樣的狀況，其實各國目前都還在評估，審慎評估當中，這個事情對於整個觀光的衝擊，我們也都還在觀察。"],["游委員顥：所以第二季的目標數字？"],["陳部長世凱：我認為這個變數很大，我目前沒有辦法設定目標。"],["游委員顥：如果設一個目標的話。"],["陳部長世凱：設定一個目標？"],["游委員顥：是。"],["陳部長世凱：我希望能夠比第一季再多3%，最少。"],["游委員顥：所以希望220萬再加3%，本席還是勉勵及期待。","最後，本席也反映一下，剛才許多委員有提到，目前國外行銷觀光亮點的部分，其實還是行銷過去既有的傳統景點居多，我們看日本有很多宗教的祭典及活動，也成為臺灣人去日本觀光旅遊的誘因。部長也擔任過民意代表，帝爺公生日後換慚愧祖師，還有天上聖母、觀世音菩薩，有一連串，就連我們的中元節在日本對照起來就變成盂蘭盆祭，所以本席建議，外國的觀光客來臺灣看到媽祖遶境會非常的感動，所以在觀光行銷臺灣的亮點，其實也要藉由宗教的特色，宗教的文化，能夠把一些觀光客帶進來，我覺得這個可以讓其他國外觀光客看到臺灣的觀光行銷比較耳目一新，又有其他的誘因，所以我在想這個部分是不是可以研擬一些方案，能夠藉此來提升誘因。"],["陳部長世凱：其實臺灣有很多的誘因，也有很多好玩的地方，但是過去或許我們行銷的角度都沒有放在這些地方，像委員剛剛所提醒的一些宗教活動，在日本他們就做得相當成功，或許臺灣也可以參考這樣子的案例，我們也來做這樣子的行銷。臺灣還有很多不一樣的特色，未來應該都要做出來給大家看得到。"],["游委員顥：對啊，我們期許啦，宗教也可以成為觀光誘因，像我們竹山的大士爺文化祭，確實吸引了全國的人潮，我希望這部分能夠有具體方案，再提供給本席辦公室。"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["游委員顥：謝謝部長。"],["陳部長世凱：謝謝委員。"],["主席：林月琴委員、林月琴委員，林月琴委員不在。","等一下黃建賓委員講完，我們休息20分，讓大家上個洗手間、吃個飯，因為後面委員太多了，都會來，所以等黃委員質詢完，我們就休息。","現在請楊瓊瓔委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":160,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-23-6","speakers":["許智傑","洪孟楷","李昆澤","何欣純","黃健豪","林俊憲","魯明哲","廖先翔","陳素月","林國成","陳雪生","徐富癸","邱若華","蔡其昌","游顥","楊瓊瓔","黃建賓","莊瑞雄","盧縣一","鄭天財Sra 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