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00:01:23,819\n公園區從這個內科南软這邊直接再延伸到基隆港來那這一點來講的話就請問中研院是否有計畫將南部院區的研究成果與基隆的海洋科技研究資源來做結合譬如說是否考慮在基隆設立所謂海洋能的研究基地來推動黑潮發電的技術在地應用請院長解釋\n\n5\n00:01:28,203 --> 00:01:44,504\n謝謝林委員的質詢事實上我們在海洋能的方面已經跟國立海洋大學商談過幾次我們將與國立海洋大學及其他相關的大學合作\n\n6\n00:01:45,104 --> 00:02:12,492\n共同在南部院區研發不同形式的海洋能不見得是黑潮因為黑潮不在基隆那邊所以其他形式的海洋能發電有些是比較適合基隆附近的那部分海洋大學已經做了相當多我們會跟他們持續合作至於未來要怎麼樣把南部院區的研究能量擴展到其他地方我們會持續考量\n\n7\n00:02:12,972 --> 00:02:35,841\n那當然基隆是一個可能的選項因為我這點剛剛院長也提到如果既然已經有個海洋大學因為本席正在海洋大學裡面任教雖然我是在航運管理的跟我們海洋發電的領域不相同但是我們還是很希望能夠看到說中研院有我們的科技研究的資源能夠往基隆這邊發展\n\n8\n00:02:37,842 --> 00:02:50,323\n那請問中研院是否有計畫去跟基隆的海洋大學建立跨區域的合作平台來共同推動整個海洋能跟量子科技的應用研究呢\n\n9\n00:02:50,963 --> 00:03:14,231\n這當然是可以討論可以思考的方向那我們先從這個目前已經有的跟海洋大學合作的一些面向從這邊開始那主要是海洋的能量的開發的研究那這方面那我們也在南部園區有一個海洋的研究室那這詳細我是請了觀念中心主任來回答一下\n\n10\n00:03:15,391 --> 00:03:37,142\n委員好我是關鍵中心主任李超黃目前在南部縣區我們設立一個台灣海洋核心參數的設施基本上是開放給全國的海洋研究的團隊使用那個是跟國科會合作的所以不只是南部或者基隆只要是全國參與海洋研究的我們都可以提供這個設施的服務\n\n11\n00:03:37,762 --> 00:04:05,007\n那跟海洋大學的合作就是剛剛院長講的我們很快會跟他好幾個學院跟系所來簽訂合作的MOU那麼會挑選最適合的方向很快就會開始推動合作謝謝好謝謝您的解釋那另外一方面我也想問因為我還是在注重在我們基隆這邊需要的一些有些滿足一些基隆上面產業上的需求那我們其實很知道說中研院在我們AI技術剛剛我看到專案報告上面\n\n12\n00:04:05,407 --> 00:04:20,651\n也有在講到我們在AI技術的研發跟應用上面是獲得有顯著的成果的但是如果說AI的應用不能把它落實到產業上面來幫助我們的傳統產業的轉型的話那很可惜這可能價值性就不足\n\n13\n00:04:21,132 --> 00:04:39,856\n那我們基隆的傳統產業像是漁業也好觀光業也好正被你所謂轉型的壓力尤其是說像是我知道說其他國家好像美國吧好像有利用這個AI的技術跟AI的大數據各方面的研究來去幫忙他們去做這個漁群的\n\n14\n00:04:40,596 --> 00:05:06,158\n雲群的偵測分析還有預測那這方面來講我覺得我可能就比較少看到說我們台灣這方面有實際上的應用那我覺得以一個科技大國以一個自取為科技大國來講這點是蠻可惜的那我就想請問中研院是否願意跟基隆市政府跟基隆的漁業界合作將AI技術應用在漁業資源的管理甚至觀光行銷的領域上面來幫助我們基隆的產業來升級呢\n\n15\n00:05:07,541 --> 00:05:23,961\n我想我們在AI應用上陳如委員講AI最可貴最重要就是要怎麼樣落地那除了在比較這個高端的科技產業之外更是這個傳統產業百工百業都需要運到AI那短時間我們會找比較\n\n16\n00:05:24,802 --> 00:05:48,465\n資源比較多所謂資源就是有許多的數據資源比較多才能做AI訓練所以我們從這方面探討看假如說漁業方面有很多數據那當然也是很好的一個方向但我們還不確定說這方面數據是否足夠來做現在AI運用不過委員提到這一點我們會去探討看說是不是可以用這個方向確實這是可以用的話是非常好的應用方向\n\n17\n00:05:49,285 --> 00:06:04,780\n因為為什麼會特地提到漁群的事情是我了解說好像是美國氣象署跟海洋研究的機構好像已經在很積極的去做這方面的事情而且有些成果那我會很直觀的認為\n\n18\n00:06:07,342 --> 00:06:27,561\n如果美國有就代表這個用AI來去做來去做預測跟觀測魚群的技術就已經相對來講比較成熟了那其實像這樣的技術如果我們台灣如果可以的話接觸也有或者是發展出來屬於我們台灣屬於我們自己的一個不同的技術或不同的方式也是對我們整體來講是會有很大的幫助\n\n19\n00:06:29,423 --> 00:06:45,338\n好那再來我想請教一下就是有關說我們中研院其實在我們國際學術界的影響一直都是很重要的甚至這個AcademicSinica這個是在全世界都很有名的但是我們在全球老實講現在這個昨天才經\n\n20\n00:06:47,560 --> 00:07:00,038\n昨天降關稅今天又鎖起來這件事情到至少現在全世界都人心惶惶但人心惶惶另外一方面來講美國現在也在大幅度的在減少高等教育的這個經費那這一點來講的話我們是不是當然他們\n\n21\n00:07:02,882 --> 00:07:21,270\nSomeone'slossisourgain如果說在這方面來講台灣在科技在科研競爭當中我們現在人才還是在流失有資源不足的挑戰那請問我們中研院有沒有什麼具體的策略來吸引現在看起來美國這邊的人現在我知道Columbia好像被砍了不少錢Columbia跟Yale被砍了不少錢\n\n22\n00:07:22,130 --> 00:07:37,399\n那有沒有具體策略趁他們現在可能對高等教育沒有那麼專注的時候我們來吸引國際頂尖人才來台把台灣打造出來另外一個亞太地區的科研樞紐呢好謝謝委員質詢我們最近確實推了一個計畫我們請國際處孟處長來介紹\n\n23\n00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:57,177\n林委員我們剛剛推出一個計畫就是要把台灣的優秀學生留在本國來念博士班尤其是今年他們已經申請了美國學校但是因為種種原因沒有辦法去那我們現在推出一個快速讓他們入學的博士班計畫那已經上線了\n\n24\n00:07:57,697 --> 00:08:16,920\n而且昨天已經有學生來詢問我可以問說是哪方面的領域嗎就是本院有13個博士班學生涵蓋數理跟生命科學總共有13個不同的領域所以說我們現在有沒有機會說去挖一些不是只有把本國人留下來把一些外國人\n\n25\n00:08:18,321 --> 00:08:32,665\n這個我們持續會進行因為要挖角已經事業有成的教授那需要長時間的接觸那不是短時間所以我們會持續進行這方面也陸續聽到\n\n26\n00:08:36,186 --> 00:09:00,345\n在美國的有些教授對美國的環境有所維持那在這個狀況之下我們會保持跟他合作保持跟他吸引他們是不是可以短期來台灣從短期變成中期從中期變成長期來台灣從這方向來做那比較快比較直接的就是把現在申請到美國學校但是\n\n27\n00:09:01,245 --> 00:09:28,881\n種種原因沒有辦法去或是覺得那邊環境不好或是被這個收回這個emission的這些學生能夠再趕快來中央醫院甚至台灣其他學校這也是很好我們留住這個學生的機會除了留住學生我們可以利用這個機會擴展到吸引國際學生所以我們剛才孟處講這個計畫不只是台灣學生國際學生也是一樣譬如說其他國際學生申請到美國學校\n\n28\n00:09:29,281 --> 00:09:55,797\n因為總統的原因他們認為美國不再適合了那我們說沒關係那台灣可能很適合你那請你來申請我們這學校所以我們也特別放寬了一些時間來吸引這些人我會認為就是說人力資本這邊來講人才資本HumanCapital這件事情是一個國力最直接的最直接的保障如果說有兩指的HumanCapital在每個領域尤其在研發領域的話\n\n29\n00:09:57,518 --> 00:10:13,688\n基本上這是個國力增長的象徵尤其是說美國之強就是因為說他當初海納百川現在川普可能反其道而行但是我剛才講過theirlossisourgain他們的失去搞不好就是我們加分的時候\n\n30\n00:10:14,449 --> 00:10:26,007\n所以這個時候如果中研院能夠做到一個起頭的作用把一些最頂尖的人才往我們台灣往我們中華民國身上靠身上收集的話我覺得這會對我們未來會有直接的幫助是是是好謝謝院長謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11134\t16899\t主席 在場的委員先進 有請廖院長好 有請廖院長林委員長\n22233\t44254\t院長早安首先我想先請問一下我在報告中有看到我們的南部園區已經成立了所謂的關鍵議題研究中心那聚焦在所謂的這個量子科技海洋能太陽能的電池等領域那基隆因為我是基隆的區域立委那我們也會希望說像這方面的科技\n44715\t59197\t這科研的資源能夠延展延展到基隆尤其我記得在前瞻計畫裡面曾經有提過這個基隆河谷廊帶的開發計畫那未來可能有一方面來講的話好像有一個生計園區有可能在這個整個工業園\n60178\t83819\t公園區從這個內科南软這邊直接再延伸到基隆港來那這一點來講的話就請問中研院是否有計畫將南部院區的研究成果與基隆的海洋科技研究資源來做結合譬如說是否考慮在基隆設立所謂海洋能的研究基地來推動黑潮發電的技術在地應用請院長解釋\n88203\t104504\t謝謝林委員的質詢事實上我們在海洋能的方面已經跟國立海洋大學商談過幾次我們將與國立海洋大學及其他相關的大學合作\n105104\t132492\t共同在南部院區研發不同形式的海洋能不見得是黑潮因為黑潮不在基隆那邊所以其他形式的海洋能發電有些是比較適合基隆附近的那部分海洋大學已經做了相當多我們會跟他們持續合作至於未來要怎麼樣把南部院區的研究能量擴展到其他地方我們會持續考量\n132972\t155841\t那當然基隆是一個可能的選項因為我這點剛剛院長也提到如果既然已經有個海洋大學因為本席正在海洋大學裡面任教雖然我是在航運管理的跟我們海洋發電的領域不相同但是我們還是很希望能夠看到說中研院有我們的科技研究的資源能夠往基隆這邊發展\n157842\t170323\t那請問中研院是否有計畫去跟基隆的海洋大學建立跨區域的合作平台來共同推動整個海洋能跟量子科技的應用研究呢\n170963\t194231\t這當然是可以討論可以思考的方向那我們先從這個目前已經有的跟海洋大學合作的一些面向從這邊開始那主要是海洋的能量的開發的研究那這方面那我們也在南部園區有一個海洋的研究室那這詳細我是請了觀念中心主任來回答一下\n195391\t217142\t委員好 我是關鍵中心主任李超黃目前在南部縣區我們設立一個台灣海洋核心參數的設施基本上是開放給全國的海洋研究的團隊使用那個是跟國科會合作的所以不只是南部或者基隆只要是全國參與海洋研究的我們都可以提供這個設施的服務\n217762\t245007\t那跟海洋大學的合作就是剛剛院長講的我們很快會跟他好幾個學院跟系所來簽訂合作的MOU那麼會挑選最適合的方向很快就會開始推動合作謝謝好 謝謝您的解釋那另外一方面我也想問因為我還是在注重在我們基隆這邊需要的一些有些滿足一些基隆上面產業上的需求那我們其實很知道說中研院在我們AI技術剛剛我看到專案報告上面\n245407\t260651\t也有在講到我們在AI技術的研發跟應用上面是獲得有顯著的成果的但是如果說AI的應用不能把它落實到產業上面來幫助我們的傳統產業的轉型的話那很可惜這可能價值性就不足\n261132\t279856\t那我們基隆的傳統產業像是漁業也好觀光業也好正被你所謂轉型的壓力尤其是說像是我知道說其他國家好像美國吧好像有利用這個AI的技術跟AI的大數據各方面的研究來去幫忙他們去做這個漁群的\n280596\t306158\t雲群的偵測分析還有預測那這方面來講我覺得我可能就比較少看到說我們台灣這方面有實際上的應用那我覺得以一個科技大國以一個自取為科技大國來講這點是蠻可惜的那我就想請問中研院是否願意跟基隆市政府跟基隆的漁業界合作將AI技術應用在漁業資源的管理甚至觀光行銷的領域上面來幫助我們基隆的產業來升級呢\n307541\t323961\t我想我們在AI應用上陳如委員講AI最可貴最重要就是要怎麼樣落地那除了在比較這個高端的科技產業之外更是這個傳統產業百工百業都需要運到AI那短時間我們會找比較\n324802\t348465\t資源比較多所謂資源就是有許多的數據資源比較多才能做AI訓練所以我們從這方面探討看假如說漁業方面有很多數據那當然也是很好的一個方向但我們還不確定說這方面數據是否足夠來做現在AI運用不過委員提到這一點我們會去探討看說是不是可以用這個方向確實這是可以用的話是非常好的應用方向\n349285\t364780\t因為為什麼會特地提到漁群的事情是我了解說好像是美國氣象署跟海洋研究的機構好像已經在很積極的去做這方面的事情而且有些成果那我會很直觀的認為\n367342\t387561\t如果美國有就代表這個用AI來去做來去做預測跟觀測魚群的技術就已經相對來講比較成熟了那其實像這樣的技術如果我們台灣如果可以的話接觸也有或者是發展出來屬於我們台灣屬於我們自己的一個不同的技術或不同的方式也是對我們整體來講是會有很大的幫助\n389423\t405338\t好那再來我想請教一下就是有關說我們中研院其實在我們國際學術界的影響一直都是很重要的甚至這個Academic Sinica這個是在全世界都很有名的但是我們在全球老實講現在這個昨天才經\n407560\t420038\t昨天降關稅今天又鎖起來這件事情到至少現在全世界都人心惶惶但人心惶惶另外一方面來講美國現在也在大幅度的在減少高等教育的這個經費那這一點來講的話我們是不是當然他們\n422882\t441270\tSomeone's loss is our gain如果說在這方面來講台灣在科技在科研競爭當中我們現在人才還是在流失有資源不足的挑戰那請問我們中研院有沒有什麼具體的策略來吸引現在看起來美國這邊的人現在我知道Columbia好像被砍了不少錢Columbia跟Yale被砍了不少錢\n442130\t457399\t那有沒有具體策略趁他們現在可能對高等教育沒有那麼專注的時候我們來吸引國際頂尖人才來台把台灣打造出來另外一個亞太地區的科研樞紐呢好 謝謝委員質詢我們最近確實推了一個計畫我們請國際處孟處長來介紹\n460360\t477177\t林委員我們剛剛推出一個計畫就是要把台灣的優秀學生留在本國來念博士班尤其是今年他們已經申請了美國學校但是因為種種原因沒有辦法去那我們現在推出一個快速讓他們入學的博士班計畫那已經上線了\n477697\t496920\t而且昨天已經有學生來詢問我可以問說是哪方面的領域嗎就是本院有13個博士班學生涵蓋數理跟生命科學總共有13個不同的領域所以說我們現在有沒有機會說去挖一些不是只有把本國人留下來把一些外國人\n498321\t512665\t這個我們持續會進行因為要挖角已經事業有成的教授那需要長時間的接觸那不是短時間所以我們會持續進行這方面也陸續聽到\n516186\t540345\t在美國的有些教授對美國的環境有所維持那在這個狀況之下我們會保持跟他合作保持跟他吸引他們是不是可以短期來台灣從短期變成中期從中期變成長期來台灣從這方向來做那比較快比較直接的就是把現在申請到美國學校但是\n541245\t568881\t種種原因沒有辦法去或是覺得那邊環境不好或是被這個收回這個emission的這些學生能夠再趕快來中央醫院甚至台灣其他學校這也是很好我們留住這個學生的機會除了留住學生我們可以利用這個機會擴展到吸引國際學生所以我們剛才孟處講這個計畫不只是台灣學生國際學生也是一樣譬如說其他國際學生申請到美國學校\n569281\t595797\t因為總統的原因他們認為美國不再適合了那我們說沒關係那台灣可能很適合你那請你來申請我們這學校所以我們也特別放寬了一些時間來吸引這些人我會認為就是說人力資本這邊來講人才資本Human Capital這件事情是一個國力最直接的最直接的保障如果說有兩指的Human Capital在每個領域尤其在研發領域的話\n597518\t613688\t基本上這是個國力增長的象徵尤其是說美國之強就是因為說他當初海納百川現在川普可能反其道而行但是我剛才講過their loss is our gain他們的失去搞不好就是我們加分的時候\n614449\t626007\t所以這個時候如果中研院能夠做到一個起頭的作用把一些最頂尖的人才往我們台灣往我們中華民國身上靠身上收集的話我覺得這會對我們未來會有直接的幫助是是是好謝謝院長謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝\n","txt":"主席 在場的委員先進 有請廖院長好 有請廖院長林委員長\n院長早安首先我想先請問一下我在報告中有看到我們的南部園區已經成立了所謂的關鍵議題研究中心那聚焦在所謂的這個量子科技海洋能太陽能的電池等領域那基隆因為我是基隆的區域立委那我們也會希望說像這方面的科技\n這科研的資源能夠延展延展到基隆尤其我記得在前瞻計畫裡面曾經有提過這個基隆河谷廊帶的開發計畫那未來可能有一方面來講的話好像有一個生計園區有可能在這個整個工業園\n公園區從這個內科南软這邊直接再延伸到基隆港來那這一點來講的話就請問中研院是否有計畫將南部院區的研究成果與基隆的海洋科技研究資源來做結合譬如說是否考慮在基隆設立所謂海洋能的研究基地來推動黑潮發電的技術在地應用請院長解釋\n謝謝林委員的質詢事實上我們在海洋能的方面已經跟國立海洋大學商談過幾次我們將與國立海洋大學及其他相關的大學合作\n共同在南部院區研發不同形式的海洋能不見得是黑潮因為黑潮不在基隆那邊所以其他形式的海洋能發電有些是比較適合基隆附近的那部分海洋大學已經做了相當多我們會跟他們持續合作至於未來要怎麼樣把南部院區的研究能量擴展到其他地方我們會持續考量\n那當然基隆是一個可能的選項因為我這點剛剛院長也提到如果既然已經有個海洋大學因為本席正在海洋大學裡面任教雖然我是在航運管理的跟我們海洋發電的領域不相同但是我們還是很希望能夠看到說中研院有我們的科技研究的資源能夠往基隆這邊發展\n那請問中研院是否有計畫去跟基隆的海洋大學建立跨區域的合作平台來共同推動整個海洋能跟量子科技的應用研究呢\n這當然是可以討論可以思考的方向那我們先從這個目前已經有的跟海洋大學合作的一些面向從這邊開始那主要是海洋的能量的開發的研究那這方面那我們也在南部園區有一個海洋的研究室那這詳細我是請了觀念中心主任來回答一下\n委員好 我是關鍵中心主任李超黃目前在南部縣區我們設立一個台灣海洋核心參數的設施基本上是開放給全國的海洋研究的團隊使用那個是跟國科會合作的所以不只是南部或者基隆只要是全國參與海洋研究的我們都可以提供這個設施的服務\n那跟海洋大學的合作就是剛剛院長講的我們很快會跟他好幾個學院跟系所來簽訂合作的MOU那麼會挑選最適合的方向很快就會開始推動合作謝謝好 謝謝您的解釋那另外一方面我也想問因為我還是在注重在我們基隆這邊需要的一些有些滿足一些基隆上面產業上的需求那我們其實很知道說中研院在我們AI技術剛剛我看到專案報告上面\n也有在講到我們在AI技術的研發跟應用上面是獲得有顯著的成果的但是如果說AI的應用不能把它落實到產業上面來幫助我們的傳統產業的轉型的話那很可惜這可能價值性就不足\n那我們基隆的傳統產業像是漁業也好觀光業也好正被你所謂轉型的壓力尤其是說像是我知道說其他國家好像美國吧好像有利用這個AI的技術跟AI的大數據各方面的研究來去幫忙他們去做這個漁群的\n雲群的偵測分析還有預測那這方面來講我覺得我可能就比較少看到說我們台灣這方面有實際上的應用那我覺得以一個科技大國以一個自取為科技大國來講這點是蠻可惜的那我就想請問中研院是否願意跟基隆市政府跟基隆的漁業界合作將AI技術應用在漁業資源的管理甚至觀光行銷的領域上面來幫助我們基隆的產業來升級呢\n我想我們在AI應用上陳如委員講AI最可貴最重要就是要怎麼樣落地那除了在比較這個高端的科技產業之外更是這個傳統產業百工百業都需要運到AI那短時間我們會找比較\n資源比較多所謂資源就是有許多的數據資源比較多才能做AI訓練所以我們從這方面探討看假如說漁業方面有很多數據那當然也是很好的一個方向但我們還不確定說這方面數據是否足夠來做現在AI運用不過委員提到這一點我們會去探討看說是不是可以用這個方向確實這是可以用的話是非常好的應用方向\n因為為什麼會特地提到漁群的事情是我了解說好像是美國氣象署跟海洋研究的機構好像已經在很積極的去做這方面的事情而且有些成果那我會很直觀的認為\n如果美國有就代表這個用AI來去做來去做預測跟觀測魚群的技術就已經相對來講比較成熟了那其實像這樣的技術如果我們台灣如果可以的話接觸也有或者是發展出來屬於我們台灣屬於我們自己的一個不同的技術或不同的方式也是對我們整體來講是會有很大的幫助\n好那再來我想請教一下就是有關說我們中研院其實在我們國際學術界的影響一直都是很重要的甚至這個Academic Sinica這個是在全世界都很有名的但是我們在全球老實講現在這個昨天才經\n昨天降關稅今天又鎖起來這件事情到至少現在全世界都人心惶惶但人心惶惶另外一方面來講美國現在也在大幅度的在減少高等教育的這個經費那這一點來講的話我們是不是當然他們\nSomeone's loss is our gain如果說在這方面來講台灣在科技在科研競爭當中我們現在人才還是在流失有資源不足的挑戰那請問我們中研院有沒有什麼具體的策略來吸引現在看起來美國這邊的人現在我知道Columbia好像被砍了不少錢Columbia跟Yale被砍了不少錢\n那有沒有具體策略趁他們現在可能對高等教育沒有那麼專注的時候我們來吸引國際頂尖人才來台把台灣打造出來另外一個亞太地區的科研樞紐呢好 謝謝委員質詢我們最近確實推了一個計畫我們請國際處孟處長來介紹\n林委員我們剛剛推出一個計畫就是要把台灣的優秀學生留在本國來念博士班尤其是今年他們已經申請了美國學校但是因為種種原因沒有辦法去那我們現在推出一個快速讓他們入學的博士班計畫那已經上線了\n而且昨天已經有學生來詢問我可以問說是哪方面的領域嗎就是本院有13個博士班學生涵蓋數理跟生命科學總共有13個不同的領域所以說我們現在有沒有機會說去挖一些不是只有把本國人留下來把一些外國人\n這個我們持續會進行因為要挖角已經事業有成的教授那需要長時間的接觸那不是短時間所以我們會持續進行這方面也陸續聽到\n在美國的有些教授對美國的環境有所維持那在這個狀況之下我們會保持跟他合作保持跟他吸引他們是不是可以短期來台灣從短期變成中期從中期變成長期來台灣從這方向來做那比較快比較直接的就是把現在申請到美國學校但是\n種種原因沒有辦法去或是覺得那邊環境不好或是被這個收回這個emission的這些學生能夠再趕快來中央醫院甚至台灣其他學校這也是很好我們留住這個學生的機會除了留住學生我們可以利用這個機會擴展到吸引國際學生所以我們剛才孟處講這個計畫不只是台灣學生國際學生也是一樣譬如說其他國際學生申請到美國學校\n因為總統的原因他們認為美國不再適合了那我們說沒關係那台灣可能很適合你那請你來申請我們這學校所以我們也特別放寬了一些時間來吸引這些人我會認為就是說人力資本這邊來講人才資本Human Capital這件事情是一個國力最直接的最直接的保障如果說有兩指的Human Capital在每個領域尤其在研發領域的話\n基本上這是個國力增長的象徵尤其是說美國之強就是因為說他當初海納百川現在川普可能反其道而行但是我剛才講過their loss is our gain他們的失去搞不好就是我們加分的時候\n所以這個時候如果中研院能夠做到一個起頭的作用把一些最頂尖的人才往我們台灣往我們中華民國身上靠身上收集的話我覺得這會對我們未來會有直接的幫助是是是好謝謝院長謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.134 --> 00:16.899\n主席在場的委員先進有請廖院長好有請廖院長林委員長\n\n00:22.233 --> 00:44.254\n院長早安首先我想先請問一下我在報告中有看到我們的南部園區已經成立了所謂的關鍵議題研究中心那聚焦在所謂的這個量子科技海洋能太陽能的電池等領域那基隆因為我是基隆的區域立委那我們也會希望說像這方面的科技\n\n00:44.715 --> 00:59.197\n這科研的資源能夠延展延展到基隆尤其我記得在前瞻計畫裡面曾經有提過這個基隆河谷廊帶的開發計畫那未來可能有一方面來講的話好像有一個生計園區有可能在這個整個工業園\n\n01:00.178 --> 01:23.819\n公園區從這個內科南软這邊直接再延伸到基隆港來那這一點來講的話就請問中研院是否有計畫將南部院區的研究成果與基隆的海洋科技研究資源來做結合譬如說是否考慮在基隆設立所謂海洋能的研究基地來推動黑潮發電的技術在地應用請院長解釋\n\n01:28.203 --> 01:44.504\n謝謝林委員的質詢事實上我們在海洋能的方面已經跟國立海洋大學商談過幾次我們將與國立海洋大學及其他相關的大學合作\n\n01:45.104 --> 02:12.492\n共同在南部院區研發不同形式的海洋能不見得是黑潮因為黑潮不在基隆那邊所以其他形式的海洋能發電有些是比較適合基隆附近的那部分海洋大學已經做了相當多我們會跟他們持續合作至於未來要怎麼樣把南部院區的研究能量擴展到其他地方我們會持續考量\n\n02:12.972 --> 02:35.841\n那當然基隆是一個可能的選項因為我這點剛剛院長也提到如果既然已經有個海洋大學因為本席正在海洋大學裡面任教雖然我是在航運管理的跟我們海洋發電的領域不相同但是我們還是很希望能夠看到說中研院有我們的科技研究的資源能夠往基隆這邊發展\n\n02:37.842 --> 02:50.323\n那請問中研院是否有計畫去跟基隆的海洋大學建立跨區域的合作平台來共同推動整個海洋能跟量子科技的應用研究呢\n\n02:50.963 --> 03:14.231\n這當然是可以討論可以思考的方向那我們先從這個目前已經有的跟海洋大學合作的一些面向從這邊開始那主要是海洋的能量的開發的研究那這方面那我們也在南部園區有一個海洋的研究室那這詳細我是請了觀念中心主任來回答一下\n\n03:15.391 --> 03:37.142\n委員好我是關鍵中心主任李超黃目前在南部縣區我們設立一個台灣海洋核心參數的設施基本上是開放給全國的海洋研究的團隊使用那個是跟國科會合作的所以不只是南部或者基隆只要是全國參與海洋研究的我們都可以提供這個設施的服務\n\n03:37.762 --> 04:05.007\n那跟海洋大學的合作就是剛剛院長講的我們很快會跟他好幾個學院跟系所來簽訂合作的MOU那麼會挑選最適合的方向很快就會開始推動合作謝謝好謝謝您的解釋那另外一方面我也想問因為我還是在注重在我們基隆這邊需要的一些有些滿足一些基隆上面產業上的需求那我們其實很知道說中研院在我們AI技術剛剛我看到專案報告上面\n\n04:05.407 --> 04:20.651\n也有在講到我們在AI技術的研發跟應用上面是獲得有顯著的成果的但是如果說AI的應用不能把它落實到產業上面來幫助我們的傳統產業的轉型的話那很可惜這可能價值性就不足\n\n04:21.132 --> 04:39.856\n那我們基隆的傳統產業像是漁業也好觀光業也好正被你所謂轉型的壓力尤其是說像是我知道說其他國家好像美國吧好像有利用這個AI的技術跟AI的大數據各方面的研究來去幫忙他們去做這個漁群的\n\n04:40.596 --> 05:06.158\n雲群的偵測分析還有預測那這方面來講我覺得我可能就比較少看到說我們台灣這方面有實際上的應用那我覺得以一個科技大國以一個自取為科技大國來講這點是蠻可惜的那我就想請問中研院是否願意跟基隆市政府跟基隆的漁業界合作將AI技術應用在漁業資源的管理甚至觀光行銷的領域上面來幫助我們基隆的產業來升級呢\n\n05:07.541 --> 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