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00:00:36,555\n當然前面有講因為基礎是根據75個國家以上提出相關的談判那昨天我在問國安局的時候其實就在詢問這個可能性也就是說在它執行的前夕會不會把它分類成兩大類報復的\n\n3\n00:00:38,877 --> 00:01:05,340\n跟願意談的因為全部執行下去看起來美國自己受創也會很重所以要把它暫停下來了那這個暫停下來今天美國的股市暴漲3.5萬億美元是16年來的最高紀錄所以它產生一些效應我先請教你看它全文它提到70多個國家因為這70多個國家提出談判所以我現在授權行政部門去做一些暫停\n\n4\n00:01:06,541 --> 00:01:31,786\n這裡面有沒有明確指出這75個國家通通列入暫停你們有沒有去確認台灣是不是這些被暫停的somecountries我們有沒有在那裡面有有確認了嗎是好這第一個所以已經確認台灣是暫停90天的國家行列之一那我第二個要請教的是你們有沒有做一些了解所有提出談判的國家都有被暫停嗎\n\n5\n00:01:34,614 --> 00:01:44,655\n因為我不是美方我不知道它其實能明白每一個國家但是就我們部分我們台灣確認有被暫停那其他國家有沒有被暫停為什麼要了解\n\n6\n00:01:45,839 --> 00:02:09,319\n出口貿易不是只單向市場還要看競爭對手哪些國家我們也許台商間接投資在那邊設廠哪些國家可能是我們競逐同一個商品行業的競爭者他加了125%我暫停下來當然會產生競爭優劣的差距至少未來兩季會有影響所以我們目前沒有去蒐集是否所有\n\n7\n00:02:10,253 --> 00:02:36,762\n提出談判要求的國家都列入90天暫緩的行列這個不確定啦不確定但就剛剛講基礎關稅的部分因為我們是10%嘛所以我們現在就是說比較屬於有利的地位啦那我們其他部位有沒有人知道是不是所有提出談判的國家75個國家或更多有沒有同步列入如果沒有的話麻煩蒐集一下我第二個要請教一下\n\n8\n00:02:37,862 --> 00:03:03,140\n那我們現在已經在時程上要進行談判了嘛那我看他們有的是經過USTR提出有的經過財政部提出有的經過外交單位提出啦我們台灣提出談判的要求賴清德總統的五項策略我們是跟他們哪個單位提出的我們是透過多元管道那同時展開那目前呢也都有你的多元管道是指通通都記\n\n9\n00:03:04,341 --> 00:03:19,328\n總是我們當然不管是官方或是非正式的包括我們的各個單位或者是企業界還有各種方式因為川普的這個總統他的這個決策圈牽涉到未來90天\n\n10\n00:03:20,569 --> 00:03:31,200\n因為75個國家談判關稅不是小事情當然川普用的是一個簡單粗暴的方式可能會很快但以往一個國家要談就好幾年何況是90天我們縱使現在危機暫時緩解90天我還是要擔心80天後\n\n11\n00:03:36,284 --> 00:03:53,532\n預告要怎麼樣的事情所以我們到底是經過哪一個單位掛號進去要談判那未來也許跟他談的是經由這個單位我們還是要回到正式的管道啦那我們的美處跟USTR也都有聯繫啦我坦白講USTR很慢啦\n\n12\n00:03:54,152 --> 00:04:21,855\n對那是其中一個嘛那怎麼去促進能夠來加速這個是我們我們是經由哪個管道提出談判要求的多元管道去接觸那也得到確認他們有收到訊息那也就我們官方的管道裡面當然美處就是我們各部會啊在那邊的代表處都有都有人嘛各組長嘛那也跟美方的這個\n\n13\n00:04:22,775 --> 00:04:28,899\n因為機關上還是美國貿易代表還是一個最重要的要對接的窗口你也請上來我們未來進行溝通談判是經由哪個單位\n\n14\n00:04:36,540 --> 00:04:57,349\n因為現在的決策方式看起來財政部部長USTR跟商務部都有影響權所以就如同林教長部長所提的我們是透過多元的管道那USTR當然一定是我們的管道之一USTR因為USTR我們過去不管談哪個項目其實都蠻慢的這個是實話你認為這90天內我們排的\n\n15\n00:05:01,671 --> 00:05:09,060\n順序會在優先順序還是還是要排隊他不會是根據掛號啦他可能根據他們美方的需求的優先順序\n\n16\n00:05:11,053 --> 00:05:27,882\n確實我想美國他是按照他自己本身的利益以及跟這些國家的貿易逆差的大小來決定順位但是因為我們在幾天之前我們已經掛商號所以我想我們一定會持續的努力爭取希望可以盡快的跟這一個有關外交部或者我們經貿談判辦你像我們注意到在\n\n17\n00:05:32,740 --> 00:05:56,742\n4月8號跟今天美國的財政部長貝森特特別有提他提了兩件事情我覺得好險他提第一個事情他說中國升級用對等對抗的方式就好像以為拿了一對二就在跟美國玩博弈他認為這是極度愚蠢因為兩邊的貿易是5比1\n\n18\n00:06:00,512 --> 00:06:09,370\n這個對等的報復對中國來講他一定輸定的牌我就想到我們台灣國內有些人本來還講說台灣政府應該一起跟著中國報復啊\n\n19\n00:06:11,021 --> 00:06:36,673\n我們是以出口為導向美國現在是我們第一大出口市場在1月份到2月份已經正式超越中港所以如果採取對等報復的時候今天公佈我們台灣就會在那一邊在125%那一邊在小額的800美元以下90%的那一邊你知道那台灣的中小企業已經全部完蛋了90天內訂單都沒有了所以國內有些負荷的中國這種呼籲的\n\n20\n00:06:38,390 --> 00:06:57,201\n坦白講我不用政治去看這件事情要不然就外行要不然根本不把台灣以中小企業出口為主的產業體系不當一回事倒是賴總統這五項策略穩穩的把這個事情控制下來所以我這邊提醒外交部跟談判辦就是說未來90天很重要\n\n21\n00:06:58,106 --> 00:07:15,120\n我們現在是鬆一口氣我猜啦我猜今天早上台股應該也是會不錯啦那大概去排隊等單的會很高興但是人民高興是好事政府官員要去想未來90天內我們多快可以達成一定的協議\n\n22\n00:07:16,441 --> 00:07:40,769\n這個是我希望未來我們招委這邊可以再排特別在經過45天以後我們的進度就明確了對口是哪個單位談的項目是什麼東西真的是零關稅基準嗎零關稅基準我們國內產業的衝擊可以允許補貼到什麼程度這都是談判的重點不容易所以請談判辦跟外交部準備好我現在兩位請回請經濟部跟財政部\n\n23\n00:07:44,625 --> 00:08:07,622\n是我也很好川普的宣布其實第二件重要的事情是對於暫緩90天這是一件事他裡面特別點出來說指點中國事實上對等報復的加拿大也有25%但加拿大已經宣布執行了所以他不在這一波歐盟也宣布要即將採取報復那川普認為他不叫對等報復所以好像也放了只有中國中國坑了\n\n24\n00:08:08,502 --> 00:08:28,582\n水價外加就是原來的稅由外加125%的稅低於800美金的郵寄商品從免稅調高到90%的這個是懲罰性的一個關稅因為本來只有30現在調高到90%那我請教請教經濟部跟財政部我們現在應該要注意什麼中國這個當然中國經濟一定會受重創\n\n25\n00:08:32,165 --> 00:08:47,411\n那重創他們國家你繼續擔心我們擔心是我們台灣跟台商我們經濟部現在跟財政部應該注意什麼事情首先我跟委員報告我們要注意兩點第一個是我們台商在大陸的經營方式\n\n26\n00:08:48,395 --> 00:09:12,868\n因為某些台商雖然在川普1.0的時代已經有撤出中國市場到其他國家去佈局但是還是有部分的廠商留在中國我們的台商因為放在中國那邊要面對125%我們當然也要關心我們在海外的台灣的生意人你們關注的焦點是什麼協助他轉移\n\n27\n00:09:13,396 --> 00:09:38,238\n我們會第一個我們還是會歡迎他回台投資因為台灣投資台灣三大方案會持續的進行這個部分我了解我待會把你summarize一下我現在要問的是對於中國小額因為我們後續的談判這一題跟前一題有關係後續的談判他以美國一定會看你有沒有成為第三方偷技術洗產地到貨的地方嗎\n\n28\n00:09:39,246 --> 00:10:07,143\n這就像兩部經濟部跟財政部嘛對於中國那種單一品項你知道他用郵寄中港澳郵寄到美國的貨品佔他出口的百分之九十欸那個課九十趴齁其實中國影響大以外他一定想辦法倒貨昨天在英國國會就開了一個會題目叫做當孩子可以買到便宜的聖誕節玩具的時候他這題目很有創意對啊他倒貨就變便宜可是父母會失去工作\n\n29\n00:10:08,697 --> 00:10:18,167\n所以我不知道經濟部跟財政部對於防止中國到貨來台灣不管是以台灣為市場或者以台灣為傾銷或者金額台灣要洗出去有沒有什麼具體做法\n\n30\n00:10:20,061 --> 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countries我們有沒有在那裡面有有確認了嗎是好這第一個所以已經確認台灣是暫停90天的國家行列之一那我第二個要請教的是你們有沒有做一些了解所有提出談判的國家都有被暫停嗎\n94614\t104655\t因為我不是美方我不知道它其實能明白每一個國家但是就我們部分我們台灣確認有被暫停那其他國家有沒有被暫停為什麼要了解\n105839\t129319\t出口貿易不是只單向市場還要看競爭對手哪些國家我們也許台商間接投資在那邊設廠哪些國家可能是我們競逐同一個商品行業的競爭者他加了125%我暫停下來當然會產生競爭優劣的差距至少未來兩季會有影響所以我們目前沒有去蒐集是否所有\n130253\t156762\t提出談判要求的國家都列入90天暫緩的行列這個不確定啦不確定 但就剛剛講基礎關稅的部分因為我們是10%嘛所以我們現在就是說比較屬於有利的地位啦那我們其他部位有沒有人知道是不是所有提出談判的國家75個國家或更多有沒有同步列入如果沒有的話麻煩蒐集一下我第二個要請教一下\n157862\t183140\t那我們現在已經在時程上要進行談判了嘛那我看他們有的是經過USTR提出有的經過財政部提出有的經過外交單位提出啦我們台灣提出談判的要求賴清德總統的五項策略我們是跟他們哪個單位提出的我們是透過多元管道那同時展開那目前呢也都有你的多元管道是指通通都記\n184341\t199328\t總是我們當然不管是官方或是非正式的包括我們的各個單位或者是企業界還有各種方式因為川普的這個總統他的這個決策圈牽涉到未來90天\n200569\t211200\t因為75個國家談判關稅不是小事情當然川普用的是一個簡單粗暴的方式可能會很快但以往一個國家要談就好幾年何況是90天我們縱使現在危機暫時緩解90天我還是要擔心80天後\n216284\t233532\t預告要怎麼樣的事情所以我們到底是經過哪一個單位掛號進去要談判那未來也許跟他談的是經由這個單位我們還是要回到正式的管道啦那我們的美處跟USTR也都有聯繫啦我坦白講USTR很慢啦\n234152\t261855\t對 那是其中一個嘛 那怎麼去促進能夠來加速 這個是我們我們是經由哪個管道提出談判要求的多元管道去接觸那也得到確認他們有收到訊息那也就我們官方的管道裡面當然美處就是我們各部會啊在那邊的代表處都有都有人嘛 各組長嘛那也跟美方的這個\n262775\t268899\t因為機關上還是美國貿易代表還是一個最重要的要對接的窗口你也請上來我們未來進行溝通談判是經由哪個單位\n276540\t297349\t因為現在的決策方式看起來財政部部長USTR跟商務部都有影響權所以就如同林教長部長所提的我們是透過多元的管道那USTR當然一定是我們的管道之一USTR因為USTR我們過去不管談哪個項目其實都蠻慢的這個是實話你認為這90天內我們排的\n301671\t309060\t順序會在優先順序還是還是要排隊他不會是根據掛號啦他可能根據他們美方的需求的優先順序\n311053\t327882\t確實我想美國他是按照他自己本身的利益以及跟這些國家的貿易逆差的大小來決定順位但是因為我們在幾天之前我們已經掛商號所以我想我們一定會持續的努力爭取希望可以盡快的跟這一個有關外交部或者我們經貿談判辦你像我們注意到在\n332740\t356742\t4月8號跟今天美國的財政部長貝森特特別有提他提了兩件事情我覺得好險他提第一個事情他說中國升級用對等對抗的方式就好像以為拿了一對二就在跟美國玩博弈他認為這是極度愚蠢因為兩邊的貿易是5比1\n360512\t369370\t這個對等的報復對中國來講他一定輸定的牌我就想到我們台灣國內有些人本來還講說台灣政府應該一起跟著中國報復啊\n371021\t396673\t我們是以出口為導向美國現在是我們第一大出口市場在1月份到2月份已經正式超越中港所以如果採取對等報復的時候今天公佈我們台灣就會在那一邊在125%那一邊在小額的800美元以下90%的那一邊你知道那台灣的中小企業已經全部完蛋了90天內訂單都沒有了所以國內有些負荷的中國這種呼籲的\n398390\t417201\t坦白講我不用政治去看這件事情要不然就外行要不然根本不把台灣以中小企業出口為主的產業體系不當一回事倒是賴總統這五項策略穩穩的把這個事情控制下來所以我這邊提醒外交部跟談判辦就是說未來90天很重要\n418106\t435120\t我們現在是鬆一口氣我猜啦我猜今天早上台股應該也是會不錯啦那大概去排隊等單的會很高興但是人民高興是好事政府官員要去想未來90天內我們多快可以達成一定的協議\n436441\t460769\t這個是我希望未來我們招委這邊可以再排特別在經過45天以後我們的進度就明確了對口是哪個單位談的項目是什麼東西真的是零關稅基準嗎零關稅基準我們國內產業的衝擊可以允許補貼到什麼程度這都是談判的重點不容易所以請談判辦跟外交部準備好我現在兩位請回請經濟部跟財政部\n464625\t487622\t是 我也很好川普的宣布其實第二件重要的事情是對於暫緩90天這是一件事他裡面特別點出來說指點中國事實上對等報復的加拿大也有25%但加拿大已經宣布執行了所以他不在這一波歐盟也宣布要即將採取報復那川普認為他不叫對等報復所以好像也放了只有中國 中國坑了\n488502\t508582\t水價外加就是原來的稅由外加125%的稅低於800美金的郵寄商品從免稅調高到90%的這個是懲罰性的一個關稅因為本來只有30現在調高到90%那我請教請教經濟部跟財政部我們現在應該要注意什麼中國這個當然中國經濟一定會受重創\n512165\t527411\t那重創他們國家你繼續擔心我們擔心是我們台灣跟台商我們經濟部現在跟財政部應該注意什麼事情首先我跟委員報告我們要注意兩點第一個是我們台商在大陸的經營方式\n528395\t552868\t因為某些台商雖然在川普1.0的時代已經有撤出中國市場到其他國家去佈局但是還是有部分的廠商留在中國我們的台商因為放在中國那邊要面對125%我們當然也要關心我們在海外的台灣的生意人你們關注的焦點是什麼 協助他轉移\n553396\t578238\t我們會第一個我們還是會歡迎他回台投資因為台灣投資台灣三大方案會持續的進行這個部分我了解我待會把你summarize一下我現在要問的是對於中國小額因為我們後續的談判這一題跟前一題有關係後續的談判他以美國一定會看你有沒有成為第三方偷技術洗產地到貨的地方嗎\n579246\t607143\t這就像兩部經濟部跟財政部嘛對於中國那種單一品項你知道他用郵寄中港澳郵寄到美國的貨品佔他出口的百分之九十欸那個課九十趴齁其實中國影響大以外他一定想辦法倒貨昨天在英國國會就開了一個會題目叫做當孩子可以買到便宜的聖誕節玩具的時候他這題目很有創意對啊他倒貨就變便宜可是父母會失去工作\n608697\t618167\t所以我不知道經濟部跟財政部對於防止中國到貨來台灣不管是以台灣為市場或者以台灣為傾銷或者金額台灣要洗出去有沒有什麼具體做法\n620061\t647356\t是 各位委員報告其實中國的對等關稅稅率擴增的越高中國的貨品利用台灣的稀產地的機會就越高你們有什麼具體做法是 這個部分事實上從川普第一任開始我們海關就開始在執行違規轉運的強力的查緝但是因為這個形勢越來越嚴重那我們海關這個部分已經有提出一個事前預防失蹤審查\n648717\t663806\t我建議經濟部跟財政部第一個是對於在海外台商要回國投資或者輔導去對我們有利的地方投資比如說我們要降低對美國增加降低壁壘增加就業機會要做輔導措施\n665467\t691561\t第二個特別對中國商品經由小額郵寄包裹進到台灣的部分不管是以台灣目的或者像你剛才講的是轉口的要有一些具體可執行的方案否則談判辦去談一定會被ㄉㄧㄤ的那我後續就不再問了那我提醒央行請你注意這個時候你們是管兩個綠你不用出來了匯率跟利率請把這兩項控穩這時候利率不能動\n692621\t709141\t這時候利率一動你看當年吃雞房貸我這樣講你就懂了所以這個時候雙綠控穩利率匯率請務必讓總裁了解這個時候要控穩我們不政府去manipulate但是請控穩來以上謝謝主席\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 麻煩外交部長林佳龍我們時間有限 我儘速請教幾個問題川普發布這個授權authorize這個90天的pause\n當然前面有講因為基礎是根據75個國家以上提出相關的談判那昨天我在問國安局的時候其實就在詢問這個可能性也就是說在它執行的前夕會不會把它分類成兩大類報復的\n跟願意談的因為全部執行下去看起來美國自己受創也會很重所以要把它暫停下來了那這個暫停下來今天美國的股市暴漲3.5萬億美元是16年來的最高紀錄所以它產生一些效應我先請教你看它全文它提到70多個國家因為這70多個國家提出談判所以我現在授權行政部門去做一些暫停\n這裡面有沒有明確指出這75個國家通通列入暫停你們有沒有去確認台灣是不是這些被暫停的some countries我們有沒有在那裡面有有確認了嗎是好這第一個所以已經確認台灣是暫停90天的國家行列之一那我第二個要請教的是你們有沒有做一些了解所有提出談判的國家都有被暫停嗎\n因為我不是美方我不知道它其實能明白每一個國家但是就我們部分我們台灣確認有被暫停那其他國家有沒有被暫停為什麼要了解\n出口貿易不是只單向市場還要看競爭對手哪些國家我們也許台商間接投資在那邊設廠哪些國家可能是我們競逐同一個商品行業的競爭者他加了125%我暫停下來當然會產生競爭優劣的差距至少未來兩季會有影響所以我們目前沒有去蒐集是否所有\n提出談判要求的國家都列入90天暫緩的行列這個不確定啦不確定 但就剛剛講基礎關稅的部分因為我們是10%嘛所以我們現在就是說比較屬於有利的地位啦那我們其他部位有沒有人知道是不是所有提出談判的國家75個國家或更多有沒有同步列入如果沒有的話麻煩蒐集一下我第二個要請教一下\n那我們現在已經在時程上要進行談判了嘛那我看他們有的是經過USTR提出有的經過財政部提出有的經過外交單位提出啦我們台灣提出談判的要求賴清德總統的五項策略我們是跟他們哪個單位提出的我們是透過多元管道那同時展開那目前呢也都有你的多元管道是指通通都記\n總是我們當然不管是官方或是非正式的包括我們的各個單位或者是企業界還有各種方式因為川普的這個總統他的這個決策圈牽涉到未來90天\n因為75個國家談判關稅不是小事情當然川普用的是一個簡單粗暴的方式可能會很快但以往一個國家要談就好幾年何況是90天我們縱使現在危機暫時緩解90天我還是要擔心80天後\n預告要怎麼樣的事情所以我們到底是經過哪一個單位掛號進去要談判那未來也許跟他談的是經由這個單位我們還是要回到正式的管道啦那我們的美處跟USTR也都有聯繫啦我坦白講USTR很慢啦\n對 那是其中一個嘛 那怎麼去促進能夠來加速 這個是我們我們是經由哪個管道提出談判要求的多元管道去接觸那也得到確認他們有收到訊息那也就我們官方的管道裡面當然美處就是我們各部會啊在那邊的代表處都有都有人嘛 各組長嘛那也跟美方的這個\n因為機關上還是美國貿易代表還是一個最重要的要對接的窗口你也請上來我們未來進行溝通談判是經由哪個單位\n因為現在的決策方式看起來財政部部長USTR跟商務部都有影響權所以就如同林教長部長所提的我們是透過多元的管道那USTR當然一定是我們的管道之一USTR因為USTR我們過去不管談哪個項目其實都蠻慢的這個是實話你認為這90天內我們排的\n順序會在優先順序還是還是要排隊他不會是根據掛號啦他可能根據他們美方的需求的優先順序\n確實我想美國他是按照他自己本身的利益以及跟這些國家的貿易逆差的大小來決定順位但是因為我們在幾天之前我們已經掛商號所以我想我們一定會持續的努力爭取希望可以盡快的跟這一個有關外交部或者我們經貿談判辦你像我們注意到在\n4月8號跟今天美國的財政部長貝森特特別有提他提了兩件事情我覺得好險他提第一個事情他說中國升級用對等對抗的方式就好像以為拿了一對二就在跟美國玩博弈他認為這是極度愚蠢因為兩邊的貿易是5比1\n這個對等的報復對中國來講他一定輸定的牌我就想到我們台灣國內有些人本來還講說台灣政府應該一起跟著中國報復啊\n我們是以出口為導向美國現在是我們第一大出口市場在1月份到2月份已經正式超越中港所以如果採取對等報復的時候今天公佈我們台灣就會在那一邊在125%那一邊在小額的800美元以下90%的那一邊你知道那台灣的中小企業已經全部完蛋了90天內訂單都沒有了所以國內有些負荷的中國這種呼籲的\n坦白講我不用政治去看這件事情要不然就外行要不然根本不把台灣以中小企業出口為主的產業體系不當一回事倒是賴總統這五項策略穩穩的把這個事情控制下來所以我這邊提醒外交部跟談判辦就是說未來90天很重要\n我們現在是鬆一口氣我猜啦我猜今天早上台股應該也是會不錯啦那大概去排隊等單的會很高興但是人民高興是好事政府官員要去想未來90天內我們多快可以達成一定的協議\n這個是我希望未來我們招委這邊可以再排特別在經過45天以後我們的進度就明確了對口是哪個單位談的項目是什麼東西真的是零關稅基準嗎零關稅基準我們國內產業的衝擊可以允許補貼到什麼程度這都是談判的重點不容易所以請談判辦跟外交部準備好我現在兩位請回請經濟部跟財政部\n是 我也很好川普的宣布其實第二件重要的事情是對於暫緩90天這是一件事他裡面特別點出來說指點中國事實上對等報復的加拿大也有25%但加拿大已經宣布執行了所以他不在這一波歐盟也宣布要即將採取報復那川普認為他不叫對等報復所以好像也放了只有中國 中國坑了\n水價外加就是原來的稅由外加125%的稅低於800美金的郵寄商品從免稅調高到90%的這個是懲罰性的一個關稅因為本來只有30現在調高到90%那我請教請教經濟部跟財政部我們現在應該要注意什麼中國這個當然中國經濟一定會受重創\n那重創他們國家你繼續擔心我們擔心是我們台灣跟台商我們經濟部現在跟財政部應該注意什麼事情首先我跟委員報告我們要注意兩點第一個是我們台商在大陸的經營方式\n因為某些台商雖然在川普1.0的時代已經有撤出中國市場到其他國家去佈局但是還是有部分的廠商留在中國我們的台商因為放在中國那邊要面對125%我們當然也要關心我們在海外的台灣的生意人你們關注的焦點是什麼 協助他轉移\n我們會第一個我們還是會歡迎他回台投資因為台灣投資台灣三大方案會持續的進行這個部分我了解我待會把你summarize一下我現在要問的是對於中國小額因為我們後續的談判這一題跟前一題有關係後續的談判他以美國一定會看你有沒有成為第三方偷技術洗產地到貨的地方嗎\n這就像兩部經濟部跟財政部嘛對於中國那種單一品項你知道他用郵寄中港澳郵寄到美國的貨品佔他出口的百分之九十欸那個課九十趴齁其實中國影響大以外他一定想辦法倒貨昨天在英國國會就開了一個會題目叫做當孩子可以買到便宜的聖誕節玩具的時候他這題目很有創意對啊他倒貨就變便宜可是父母會失去工作\n所以我不知道經濟部跟財政部對於防止中國到貨來台灣不管是以台灣為市場或者以台灣為傾銷或者金額台灣要洗出去有沒有什麼具體做法\n是 各位委員報告其實中國的對等關稅稅率擴增的越高中國的貨品利用台灣的稀產地的機會就越高你們有什麼具體做法是 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07:40.769\n這個是我希望未來我們招委這邊可以再排特別在經過45天以後我們的進度就明確了對口是哪個單位談的項目是什麼東西真的是零關稅基準嗎零關稅基準我們國內產業的衝擊可以允許補貼到什麼程度這都是談判的重點不容易所以請談判辦跟外交部準備好我現在兩位請回請經濟部跟財政部\n\n07:44.625 --> 08:07.622\n是我也很好川普的宣布其實第二件重要的事情是對於暫緩90天這是一件事他裡面特別點出來說指點中國事實上對等報復的加拿大也有25%但加拿大已經宣布執行了所以他不在這一波歐盟也宣布要即將採取報復那川普認為他不叫對等報復所以好像也放了只有中國中國坑了\n\n08:08.502 --> 08:28.582\n水價外加就是原來的稅由外加125%的稅低於800美金的郵寄商品從免稅調高到90%的這個是懲罰性的一個關稅因為本來只有30現在調高到90%那我請教請教經濟部跟財政部我們現在應該要注意什麼中國這個當然中國經濟一定會受重創\n\n08:32.165 --> 08:47.411\n那重創他們國家你繼續擔心我們擔心是我們台灣跟台商我們經濟部現在跟財政部應該注意什麼事情首先我跟委員報告我們要注意兩點第一個是我們台商在大陸的經營方式\n\n08:48.395 --> 09:12.868\n因為某些台商雖然在川普1.0的時代已經有撤出中國市場到其他國家去佈局但是還是有部分的廠商留在中國我們的台商因為放在中國那邊要面對125%我們當然也要關心我們在海外的台灣的生意人你們關注的焦點是什麼協助他轉移\n\n09:13.396 --> 09:38.238\n我們會第一個我們還是會歡迎他回台投資因為台灣投資台灣三大方案會持續的進行這個部分我了解我待會把你summarize一下我現在要問的是對於中國小額因為我們後續的談判這一題跟前一題有關係後續的談判他以美國一定會看你有沒有成為第三方偷技術洗產地到貨的地方嗎\n\n09:39.246 --> 10:07.143\n這就像兩部經濟部跟財政部嘛對於中國那種單一品項你知道他用郵寄中港澳郵寄到美國的貨品佔他出口的百分之九十欸那個課九十趴齁其實中國影響大以外他一定想辦法倒貨昨天在英國國會就開了一個會題目叫做當孩子可以買到便宜的聖誕節玩具的時候他這題目很有創意對啊他倒貨就變便宜可是父母會失去工作\n\n10:08.697 --> 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