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00:02:37,983\n很多在做我們都變成人事費所以就不會用到這筆經費但是我們仍然需要變一些以備萬一所以需要有用到的時候但是我的意思是說原因為什麼會這個狀況是什麼困難度我重點是在這裡這個是以備萬一的時候這不是困難度並不是說我們一定要用到這個等於是真的做很成功我們真正的目標是要把它延攬回來變成我們專職人員就用人事費來聘僱好那如果這樣的情況之下您的原因是說就是先\n\n8\n00:02:38,993 --> 00:02:45,037\n妥善的放著在這邊需求的時候剛好時機配合了就會進來對不對但是我們在下一頁貴院在回覆到我們本院的預算報告的當初就是你們把這邊部分等等的都說一說出來了然後就是說還是需要說進行會議支持不過我們在112年的時候呢審預算的時候議法院根本沒有去審沒有去刪也沒有去動113年這個經費\n\n9\n00:03:07,950 --> 00:03:21,699\n那您的理由如果是說得這個清楚的話呢那還要再繼續增加經費那這個餘額就還存在的情況還要再增加經費事實上也不是這麼合理的我們都是逐年減少我們這部分已經逐年減少我們這逐年減少我們正好看到114在商業你看到還是10個人喔那是目標值但前述我們是逐年減少因為我們希望說你們編列的預算是\n\n10\n00:03:35,367 --> 00:04:02,184\n是都有在增加啦那今年我覺得要等一下沒有沒有預算沒有增加等一下我們大家看到如果再往下看會講到預算的問題不過我想這部分我想要特別在預算的部分就是在於說您特別也來在我就任的時候後來也來做拜訪在這邊就是說今年我們會呈現出來今年是一個特別的年是第一次有三檔不過半那你們這部分在預算上面在下一頁其實可以看到說是你們的部分特別在\n\n11\n00:04:03,304 --> 00:04:10,447\n國外的旅費啊國內旅費當中這些都是統刪這一部分它不得留用不過因為蔡英文總統她有提到的是說她在當在野黨主席的時候啦她事實上有提到說其實3到20都沒有問題那10%的時候是都很用所以這邊就是\n\n12\n00:04:18,311 --> 00:04:46,796\n這件事情我可以提升到這是一個特殊的情形大家我們知道國家的科研預算等等是必須要去做的那我這邊也是說特別檢討到我們民眾黨的立場那我們繼續往下看的時候再進一段我想要再下來一個部分就是說你們有在報告當中特別提出來說中研院有辦一個角色就是四個棒接力賽從基礎研究到產業的合作這部分特別是指責到這幾個部分那我在想請問是不是在\n\n13\n00:04:47,836 --> 00:05:15,616\n目前的中研院的活動當中有沒有真的是已經到達像這個四個階段到基礎研究到大學產研到工研院到給業界使用的部分可不可以舉一個例子來示用在這裡這是我們最新研發出來的高效太陽能光電全部國產的機器國內的實驗室由中研院召集國內的最精英的學者專家昨天出爐的30%\n\n14\n00:05:18,297 --> 00:05:38,507\n這個轉換率全部用國產的設備國產的細機那我們除了中文音樂研究之外也召集至少五間大學的教授也跟業界合作我們接下來也要跟業界成立這個產研聯盟一起來做這方面的技術\n\n15\n00:05:39,247 --> 00:05:55,956\n好那這樣很好我看到有這樣的一個成就有在發表然後我們繼續往下看我想要另外談到因為你也是身兼這個部分我想這個部分我們就先調過去了重點是說因為你也身兼到氣候變遷的對策小組裡面的副召集人\n\n16\n00:05:57,217 --> 00:06:14,091\n淨零碳排這一部分有一個部分是在去碳燃氫那這邊的部分上面我們再往下面看的時候就看到是說它有技術性的部分這部分也就是中研院可能在進行的那第二個部分可能我想要談到的我從人文社會出發在想的是說也有部分就是在所謂碳廢的這一些部分\n\n17\n00:06:14,591 --> 00:06:30,081\n他必須要去支持還有另外一部分呢是在於說在下面兩頁的時候可以看到他有涉及到的是有一個在下一頁可以看到的是說呢他有建立公民社會組織參與這個社會溝通平台那請問一下中研院有沒有對於說因為人們還是支持這些碳費碳費或碳稅這些的支持還有說公民的這個參與平台請問在人文社會處這一部分社會組這邊有沒有針對這個部分有一些的有一些相關的研究\n\n18\n00:06:44,190 --> 00:07:03,492\n有我們在這個淨零計畫當中其中有一支是委託社會所林宗鴻研究員做一些社會溝通社會調查那就是各種淨零政策的對民眾的接受度民眾的意向等等做了相當深入的研究所以這邊是有的\n\n19\n00:07:04,332 --> 00:07:07,214\n那會發生什麼效果會有一個時程表就是促進我們的尤其是你在當副召集人是不是可以提出來說讓我們政府在這邊在碳稅上面符合國際的這個標準等等的這些部分有沒有一個行動的計畫等等碳稅至於碳稅碳費的部分目前好像據我了解還沒有做到這一個部分因為\n\n20\n00:07:26,164 --> 00:07:35,689\n那個跟一般民眾稍微一點距離比較跟產業界比較接近所以這部分未來我們會納入但是目前好像還沒有到這個地步\n\n21\n00:07:36,665 --> 00:08:02,200\n那我就希望您在作為對策小組的副召集的時候能夠推出這些部分因為2050或是說今年的2026的時候明年2026的時候歐盟的部分這個CBAN就要進行了那下面有個問題就是說您在能源的態度上面因為您在過去的發表聯絡在去年到今年往下的狀況\n\n22\n00:08:03,681 --> 00:08:31,522\n特別有呈現出來的說您在對第三代第四代核能等等甚至說您因為說淨零碳排的需求是很重要往下點點點因為我們就好幾篇文章這邊講說都是您曾經討論到德國的部分台灣核能的部分在共識之後也可以得到一些讓核廢料也處理的情況可以讓台灣有更好的安全選擇來去進行好那這個情況下我想要問的是您再往下一頁\n\n23\n00:08:32,763 --> 00:08:56,973\n那您對於這個召集人對能源選項的立場為何那你對台灣有本錢放棄核能嗎我想這個一個政策一個能源政策要推動有四個面向第一個是科技的面向那我們是緊究科技面向來探討說核能方面科技面向是可以做的那剩下來看是不是和經濟效益這部分恐怕要經濟部或相關單位來判斷\n\n24\n00:09:00,214 --> 00:09:28,728\n接下來要政治方面是不是可行社會可不可以接受這就完全不是中央醫院可以智慧的地方所以我們是緊就這個科技方面提出我們的意見然後希望社會能夠接下來進行看說社會的接受度那您的立場呢您的立場我們在立場是認為說在科技方面我們儘量利用科技解決社會的疑慮利用科技解決政治上的困難利用科技降低\n\n25\n00:09:29,008 --> 00:09:38,293\n所以在科技沒有問題的情況之下核能是一個好的選項是嗎是的教科技我們要引進新的科技把現在即使是認為我們認為說現在的我們既有的核能設備有點老舊即使我們將來假如經過檢查還需要改善我們應該引進新的科技幫他改善\n\n26\n00:09:51,781 --> 00:10:04,990\n好那往下一部分可是我們的環境基本法當中有提到往下往下核能基本法的環境基本法這邊有提到是說我們要訂定這個達成非核家園的目標氣候變遷因應法當中有提到說要逐步落實非核家園願景那您的看法這邊的話是不是跟你當年態度上\n\n27\n00:10:10,094 --> 00:10:37,089\n這根本就已經不是這個科技的面向是我剛才講的是政治跟社會的面向這個就不是中研院的專業我們期待說相關單位包括這個全社會人士能夠大家一起努力看凝聚共識怎麼樣再往前走好謝謝那個廖院長您在整個在能源政策上面提出中研院做一個最高的學術單位的時候所做的立場好謝謝廖院長還有各位謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8974\t12237\t好 謝謝趙偉那有請廖君智院長好 有請廖院長好 廖委員長\n19673\t36505\t好 院長好喔對於說您昨天呢提出來的這個中研院的一個這個書面的報告看到非常的詳細事實上先給一些讚許那尤其是在我們現在下一頁中研院的功能在網羅傑出人才社方面我們可以看到有很多的部分的\n37205\t58373\t特點往下一頁在這邊呢看到的是有對於潛力的優秀人才跟這個國際生還有在國內的部分都有非常多的這樣子的把重點放在所謂的新的研究人員的這樣的培育我覺得這邊是非常肯定的然後還包括在人文社會領域的這樣子的一個體現要人文素養是好的事情\n59153\t68021\t那這當然是呈現出來是最高的一個學術研究機構他的一個態度這邊呈現出這種嚴謹認真的這個狀況但是我們想要看的是在下一頁這邊我們是根據我們立法院的預算中心他在對中研院的114年的學術\n78691\t106530\t單位預算的評估報告當中特別是針對延攬傑出學者的任職還有博士後的培育這部分當中發現出現到實際值遠低於目標值的狀況特別是在大家看到113年的部分有個目標值是10但是實際上到位只有一個人這樣的情形那還包括是剛才說的博士後的培育當中那過院知不知道原因我們預算中心發給這樣的一個報告你們知道原因是什麼嗎\n108130\t129355\t這個延攬資深學人的部分假如我們延攬成功非常成功我們就不需要用到這筆錢因為變成人事費會變成這樣子就不成功就一半成功他來這個part time才會用到這個情況所以過去幾年我們事實上延攬的許多優秀的所長中心主任\n129915\t157983\t很多在做我們都變成人事費所以就不會用到這筆經費但是我們仍然需要變一些以備萬一所以需要有用到的時候但是我的意思是說原因為什麼會這個狀況是什麼困難度我重點是在這裡這個是以備萬一的時候這不是困難度並不是說我們一定要用到這個等於是真的做很成功我們真正的目標是要把它延攬回來變成我們專職人員就用人事費來聘僱好 那如果這樣的情況之下您的原因是說就是先\n158993\t165037\t妥善的放著在這邊需求的時候剛好時機配合了就會進來對不對但是我們在下一頁貴院在回覆到我們本院的預算報告的當初就是你們把這邊部分等等的都說一說出來了然後就是說還是需要說進行會議支持不過我們在112年的時候呢審預算的時候議法院根本沒有去審沒有去刪也沒有去動113年這個經費\n187950\t201699\t那您的理由如果是說得這個清楚的話呢那還要再繼續增加經費那這個餘額就還存在的情況還要再增加經費事實上也不是這麼合理的我們都是逐年減少我們這部分已經逐年減少我們這逐年減少我們正好看到114在商業你看到還是10個人喔那是目標值但前述我們是逐年減少因為我們希望說你們編列的預算是\n215367\t242184\t是都有在增加啦那今年我覺得要等一下沒有沒有預算沒有增加等一下我們大家看到如果再往下看會講到預算的問題不過我想這部分我想要特別在預算的部分就是在於說您特別也來在我就任的時候後來也來做拜訪在這邊就是說今年我們會呈現出來今年是一個特別的年是第一次有三檔不過半那你們這部分在預算上面在下一頁其實可以看到說是你們的部分特別在\n243304\t250447\t國外的旅費啊 國內旅費當中這些都是統刪這一部分 它不得留用不過因為蔡英文總統她有提到的是說她在當在野黨主席的時候啦她事實上有提到說其實3到20都沒有問題那10%的時候是都很用所以這邊就是\n258311\t286796\t這件事情我可以提升到這是一個特殊的情形大家我們知道國家的科研預算等等是必須要去做的那我這邊也是說特別檢討到我們民眾黨的立場那我們繼續往下看的時候再進一段我想要再下來一個部分就是說你們有在報告當中特別提出來說中研院有辦一個角色就是四個棒接力賽從基礎研究到產業的合作這部分特別是指責到這幾個部分那我在想請問是不是在\n287836\t315616\t目前的中研院的活動當中有沒有真的是已經到達像這個四個階段到基礎研究到大學產研到工研院到給業界使用的部分可不可以舉一個例子來示用在這裡這是我們最新研發出來的高效太陽能光電全部國產的機器國內的實驗室由中研院召集國內的最精英的學者專家昨天出爐的30%\n318297\t338507\t這個轉換率全部用國產的設備國產的細機那我們除了中文音樂研究之外也召集至少五間大學的教授也跟業界合作我們接下來也要跟業界成立這個產研聯盟一起來做這方面的技術\n339247\t355956\t好 那這樣很好我看到有這樣的一個成就有在發表然後我們繼續往下看我想要另外談到因為你也是身兼這個部分我想這個部分我們就先調過去了重點是說因為你也身兼到氣候變遷的對策小組裡面的副召集人\n357217\t374091\t淨零碳排這一部分有一個部分是在去碳燃氫那這邊的部分上面我們再往下面看的時候就看到是說它有技術性的部分這部分也就是中研院可能在進行的那第二個部分可能我想要談到的我從人文社會出發在想的是說也有部分就是在所謂碳廢的這一些部分\n374591\t390081\t他必須要去支持還有另外一部分呢是在於說在下面兩頁的時候可以看到他有涉及到的是有一個在下一頁可以看到的是說呢他有建立公民社會組織參與這個社會溝通平台那請問一下中研院有沒有對於說因為人們還是支持這些碳費碳費或碳稅這些的支持還有說公民的這個參與平台請問在人文社會處這一部分社會組這邊有沒有針對這個部分有一些的有一些相關的研究\n404190\t423492\t有 我們在這個淨零計畫當中其中有一支是委託社會所林宗鴻研究員做一些社會溝通 社會調查那就是各種淨零政策的對民眾的接受度 民眾的意向等等做了相當深入的研究所以這邊是有的\n424332\t427214\t那會發生什麼效果會有一個時程表就是促進我們的尤其是你在當副召集人是不是可以提出來說讓我們政府在這邊在碳稅上面符合國際的這個標準等等的這些部分有沒有一個行動的計畫等等碳稅 至於碳稅碳費的部分目前好像據我了解還沒有做到這一個部分因為\n446164\t455689\t那個跟一般民眾稍微一點距離比較跟產業界比較接近所以這部分未來我們會納入但是目前好像還沒有到這個地步\n456665\t482200\t那我就希望您在作為對策小組的副召集的時候能夠推出這些部分因為2050或是說今年的2026的時候明年2026的時候歐盟的部分這個CBAN就要進行了那下面有個問題就是說您在能源的態度上面因為您在過去的發表聯絡在去年到今年往下的狀況\n483681\t511522\t特別有呈現出來的說您在對第三代第四代核能等等甚至說您因為說淨零碳排的需求是很重要往下點點點因為我們就好幾篇文章這邊講說都是您曾經討論到德國的部分台灣核能的部分在共識之後也可以得到一些讓核廢料也處理的情況可以讓台灣有更好的安全選擇來去進行好那這個情況下我想要問的是您再往下一頁\n512763\t536973\t那您對於這個召集人對能源選項的立場為何那你對台灣有本錢放棄核能嗎我想這個一個政策一個能源政策要推動有四個面向第一個是科技的面向那我們是緊究科技面向來探討說核能方面科技面向是可以做的那剩下來看是不是和經濟效益這部分恐怕要經濟部或相關單位來判斷\n540214\t568728\t接下來要政治方面是不是可行社會可不可以接受這就完全不是中央醫院可以智慧的地方所以我們是緊就這個科技方面提出我們的意見然後希望社會能夠接下來進行看說社會的接受度那您的立場呢您的立場我們在立場是認為說在科技方面我們儘量利用科技解決社會的疑慮利用科技解決政治上的困難利用科技降低\n569008\t578293\t所以在科技沒有問題的情況之下 核能是一個好的選項 是嗎是的 教科技 我們要引進新的科技把現在即使是認為我們認為說現在的我們既有的核能設備有點老舊即使我們將來假如經過檢查還需要改善我們應該引進新的科技幫他改善\n591781\t604990\t好那往下一部分可是我們的環境基本法當中有提到往下往下核能基本法的環境基本法這邊有提到是說我們要訂定這個達成非核家園的目標氣候變遷因應法當中有提到說要逐步落實非核家園願景那您的看法這邊的話是不是跟你當年態度上\n610094\t637089\t這根本就已經不是這個科技的面向是我剛才講的是政治跟社會的面向這個就不是中研院的專業我們期待說相關單位包括這個全社會人士能夠大家一起努力看凝聚共識怎麼樣再往前走好 謝謝那個廖院長您在整個在能源政策上面提出中研院做一個最高的學術單位的時候所做的立場好 謝謝廖院長還有各位謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝趙偉那有請廖君智院長好 有請廖院長好 廖委員長\n好 院長好喔對於說您昨天呢提出來的這個中研院的一個這個書面的報告看到非常的詳細事實上先給一些讚許那尤其是在我們現在下一頁中研院的功能在網羅傑出人才社方面我們可以看到有很多的部分的\n特點往下一頁在這邊呢看到的是有對於潛力的優秀人才跟這個國際生還有在國內的部分都有非常多的這樣子的把重點放在所謂的新的研究人員的這樣的培育我覺得這邊是非常肯定的然後還包括在人文社會領域的這樣子的一個體現要人文素養是好的事情\n那這當然是呈現出來是最高的一個學術研究機構他的一個態度這邊呈現出這種嚴謹認真的這個狀況但是我們想要看的是在下一頁這邊我們是根據我們立法院的預算中心他在對中研院的114年的學術\n單位預算的評估報告當中特別是針對延攬傑出學者的任職還有博士後的培育這部分當中發現出現到實際值遠低於目標值的狀況特別是在大家看到113年的部分有個目標值是10但是實際上到位只有一個人這樣的情形那還包括是剛才說的博士後的培育當中那過院知不知道原因我們預算中心發給這樣的一個報告你們知道原因是什麼嗎\n這個延攬資深學人的部分假如我們延攬成功非常成功我們就不需要用到這筆錢因為變成人事費會變成這樣子就不成功就一半成功他來這個part time才會用到這個情況所以過去幾年我們事實上延攬的許多優秀的所長中心主任\n很多在做我們都變成人事費所以就不會用到這筆經費但是我們仍然需要變一些以備萬一所以需要有用到的時候但是我的意思是說原因為什麼會這個狀況是什麼困難度我重點是在這裡這個是以備萬一的時候這不是困難度並不是說我們一定要用到這個等於是真的做很成功我們真正的目標是要把它延攬回來變成我們專職人員就用人事費來聘僱好 那如果這樣的情況之下您的原因是說就是先\n妥善的放著在這邊需求的時候剛好時機配合了就會進來對不對但是我們在下一頁貴院在回覆到我們本院的預算報告的當初就是你們把這邊部分等等的都說一說出來了然後就是說還是需要說進行會議支持不過我們在112年的時候呢審預算的時候議法院根本沒有去審沒有去刪也沒有去動113年這個經費\n那您的理由如果是說得這個清楚的話呢那還要再繼續增加經費那這個餘額就還存在的情況還要再增加經費事實上也不是這麼合理的我們都是逐年減少我們這部分已經逐年減少我們這逐年減少我們正好看到114在商業你看到還是10個人喔那是目標值但前述我們是逐年減少因為我們希望說你們編列的預算是\n是都有在增加啦那今年我覺得要等一下沒有沒有預算沒有增加等一下我們大家看到如果再往下看會講到預算的問題不過我想這部分我想要特別在預算的部分就是在於說您特別也來在我就任的時候後來也來做拜訪在這邊就是說今年我們會呈現出來今年是一個特別的年是第一次有三檔不過半那你們這部分在預算上面在下一頁其實可以看到說是你們的部分特別在\n國外的旅費啊 國內旅費當中這些都是統刪這一部分 它不得留用不過因為蔡英文總統她有提到的是說她在當在野黨主席的時候啦她事實上有提到說其實3到20都沒有問題那10%的時候是都很用所以這邊就是\n這件事情我可以提升到這是一個特殊的情形大家我們知道國家的科研預算等等是必須要去做的那我這邊也是說特別檢討到我們民眾黨的立場那我們繼續往下看的時候再進一段我想要再下來一個部分就是說你們有在報告當中特別提出來說中研院有辦一個角色就是四個棒接力賽從基礎研究到產業的合作這部分特別是指責到這幾個部分那我在想請問是不是在\n目前的中研院的活動當中有沒有真的是已經到達像這個四個階段到基礎研究到大學產研到工研院到給業界使用的部分可不可以舉一個例子來示用在這裡這是我們最新研發出來的高效太陽能光電全部國產的機器國內的實驗室由中研院召集國內的最精英的學者專家昨天出爐的30%\n這個轉換率全部用國產的設備國產的細機那我們除了中文音樂研究之外也召集至少五間大學的教授也跟業界合作我們接下來也要跟業界成立這個產研聯盟一起來做這方面的技術\n好 那這樣很好我看到有這樣的一個成就有在發表然後我們繼續往下看我想要另外談到因為你也是身兼這個部分我想這個部分我們就先調過去了重點是說因為你也身兼到氣候變遷的對策小組裡面的副召集人\n淨零碳排這一部分有一個部分是在去碳燃氫那這邊的部分上面我們再往下面看的時候就看到是說它有技術性的部分這部分也就是中研院可能在進行的那第二個部分可能我想要談到的我從人文社會出發在想的是說也有部分就是在所謂碳廢的這一些部分\n他必須要去支持還有另外一部分呢是在於說在下面兩頁的時候可以看到他有涉及到的是有一個在下一頁可以看到的是說呢他有建立公民社會組織參與這個社會溝通平台那請問一下中研院有沒有對於說因為人們還是支持這些碳費碳費或碳稅這些的支持還有說公民的這個參與平台請問在人文社會處這一部分社會組這邊有沒有針對這個部分有一些的有一些相關的研究\n有 我們在這個淨零計畫當中其中有一支是委託社會所林宗鴻研究員做一些社會溝通 社會調查那就是各種淨零政策的對民眾的接受度 民眾的意向等等做了相當深入的研究所以這邊是有的\n那會發生什麼效果會有一個時程表就是促進我們的尤其是你在當副召集人是不是可以提出來說讓我們政府在這邊在碳稅上面符合國際的這個標準等等的這些部分有沒有一個行動的計畫等等碳稅 至於碳稅碳費的部分目前好像據我了解還沒有做到這一個部分因為\n那個跟一般民眾稍微一點距離比較跟產業界比較接近所以這部分未來我們會納入但是目前好像還沒有到這個地步\n那我就希望您在作為對策小組的副召集的時候能夠推出這些部分因為2050或是說今年的2026的時候明年2026的時候歐盟的部分這個CBAN就要進行了那下面有個問題就是說您在能源的態度上面因為您在過去的發表聯絡在去年到今年往下的狀況\n特別有呈現出來的說您在對第三代第四代核能等等甚至說您因為說淨零碳排的需求是很重要往下點點點因為我們就好幾篇文章這邊講說都是您曾經討論到德國的部分台灣核能的部分在共識之後也可以得到一些讓核廢料也處理的情況可以讓台灣有更好的安全選擇來去進行好那這個情況下我想要問的是您再往下一頁\n那您對於這個召集人對能源選項的立場為何那你對台灣有本錢放棄核能嗎我想這個一個政策一個能源政策要推動有四個面向第一個是科技的面向那我們是緊究科技面向來探討說核能方面科技面向是可以做的那剩下來看是不是和經濟效益這部分恐怕要經濟部或相關單位來判斷\n接下來要政治方面是不是可行社會可不可以接受這就完全不是中央醫院可以智慧的地方所以我們是緊就這個科技方面提出我們的意見然後希望社會能夠接下來進行看說社會的接受度那您的立場呢您的立場我們在立場是認為說在科技方面我們儘量利用科技解決社會的疑慮利用科技解決政治上的困難利用科技降低\n所以在科技沒有問題的情況之下 核能是一個好的選項 是嗎是的 教科技 我們要引進新的科技把現在即使是認為我們認為說現在的我們既有的核能設備有點老舊即使我們將來假如經過檢查還需要改善我們應該引進新的科技幫他改善\n好那往下一部分可是我們的環境基本法當中有提到往下往下核能基本法的環境基本法這邊有提到是說我們要訂定這個達成非核家園的目標氣候變遷因應法當中有提到說要逐步落實非核家園願景那您的看法這邊的話是不是跟你當年態度上\n這根本就已經不是這個科技的面向是我剛才講的是政治跟社會的面向這個就不是中研院的專業我們期待說相關單位包括這個全社會人士能夠大家一起努力看凝聚共識怎麼樣再往前走好 謝謝那個廖院長您在整個在能源政策上面提出中研院做一個最高的學術單位的時候所做的立場好 謝謝廖院長還有各位謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.974 --> 00:12.237\n好謝謝趙偉那有請廖君智院長好有請廖院長好廖委員長\n\n00:19.673 --> 00:36.505\n好院長好喔對於說您昨天呢提出來的這個中研院的一個這個書面的報告看到非常的詳細事實上先給一些讚許那尤其是在我們現在下一頁中研院的功能在網羅傑出人才社方面我們可以看到有很多的部分的\n\n00:37.205 --> 00:58.373\n特點往下一頁在這邊呢看到的是有對於潛力的優秀人才跟這個國際生還有在國內的部分都有非常多的這樣子的把重點放在所謂的新的研究人員的這樣的培育我覺得這邊是非常肯定的然後還包括在人文社會領域的這樣子的一個體現要人文素養是好的事情\n\n00:59.153 --> 01:08.021\n那這當然是呈現出來是最高的一個學術研究機構他的一個態度這邊呈現出這種嚴謹認真的這個狀況但是我們想要看的是在下一頁這邊我們是根據我們立法院的預算中心他在對中研院的114年的學術\n\n01:18.691 --> 01:46.530\n單位預算的評估報告當中特別是針對延攬傑出學者的任職還有博士後的培育這部分當中發現出現到實際值遠低於目標值的狀況特別是在大家看到113年的部分有個目標值是10但是實際上到位只有一個人這樣的情形那還包括是剛才說的博士後的培育當中那過院知不知道原因我們預算中心發給這樣的一個報告你們知道原因是什麼嗎\n\n01:48.130 --> 02:09.355\n這個延攬資深學人的部分假如我們延攬成功非常成功我們就不需要用到這筆錢因為變成人事費會變成這樣子就不成功就一半成功他來這個parttime才會用到這個情況所以過去幾年我們事實上延攬的許多優秀的所長中心主任\n\n02:09.915 --> 02:37.983\n很多在做我們都變成人事費所以就不會用到這筆經費但是我們仍然需要變一些以備萬一所以需要有用到的時候但是我的意思是說原因為什麼會這個狀況是什麼困難度我重點是在這裡這個是以備萬一的時候這不是困難度並不是說我們一定要用到這個等於是真的做很成功我們真正的目標是要把它延攬回來變成我們專職人員就用人事費來聘僱好那如果這樣的情況之下您的原因是說就是先\n\n02:38.993 --> 02:45.037\n妥善的放著在這邊需求的時候剛好時機配合了就會進來對不對但是我們在下一頁貴院在回覆到我們本院的預算報告的當初就是你們把這邊部分等等的都說一說出來了然後就是說還是需要說進行會議支持不過我們在112年的時候呢審預算的時候議法院根本沒有去審沒有去刪也沒有去動113年這個經費\n\n03:07.950 --> 03:21.699\n那您的理由如果是說得這個清楚的話呢那還要再繼續增加經費那這個餘額就還存在的情況還要再增加經費事實上也不是這麼合理的我們都是逐年減少我們這部分已經逐年減少我們這逐年減少我們正好看到114在商業你看到還是10個人喔那是目標值但前述我們是逐年減少因為我們希望說你們編列的預算是\n\n03:35.367 --> 04:02.184\n是都有在增加啦那今年我覺得要等一下沒有沒有預算沒有增加等一下我們大家看到如果再往下看會講到預算的問題不過我想這部分我想要特別在預算的部分就是在於說您特別也來在我就任的時候後來也來做拜訪在這邊就是說今年我們會呈現出來今年是一個特別的年是第一次有三檔不過半那你們這部分在預算上面在下一頁其實可以看到說是你們的部分特別在\n\n04:03.304 --> 04:10.447\n國外的旅費啊國內旅費當中這些都是統刪這一部分它不得留用不過因為蔡英文總統她有提到的是說她在當在野黨主席的時候啦她事實上有提到說其實3到20都沒有問題那10%的時候是都很用所以這邊就是\n\n04:18.311 --> 04:46.796\n這件事情我可以提升到這是一個特殊的情形大家我們知道國家的科研預算等等是必須要去做的那我這邊也是說特別檢討到我們民眾黨的立場那我們繼續往下看的時候再進一段我想要再下來一個部分就是說你們有在報告當中特別提出來說中研院有辦一個角色就是四個棒接力賽從基礎研究到產業的合作這部分特別是指責到這幾個部分那我在想請問是不是在\n\n04:47.836 --> 05:15.616\n目前的中研院的活動當中有沒有真的是已經到達像這個四個階段到基礎研究到大學產研到工研院到給業界使用的部分可不可以舉一個例子來示用在這裡這是我們最新研發出來的高效太陽能光電全部國產的機器國內的實驗室由中研院召集國內的最精英的學者專家昨天出爐的30%\n\n05:18.297 --> 05:38.507\n這個轉換率全部用國產的設備國產的細機那我們除了中文音樂研究之外也召集至少五間大學的教授也跟業界合作我們接下來也要跟業界成立這個產研聯盟一起來做這方面的技術\n\n05:39.247 --> 05:55.956\n好那這樣很好我看到有這樣的一個成就有在發表然後我們繼續往下看我想要另外談到因為你也是身兼這個部分我想這個部分我們就先調過去了重點是說因為你也身兼到氣候變遷的對策小組裡面的副召集人\n\n05:57.217 --> 06:14.091\n淨零碳排這一部分有一個部分是在去碳燃氫那這邊的部分上面我們再往下面看的時候就看到是說它有技術性的部分這部分也就是中研院可能在進行的那第二個部分可能我想要談到的我從人文社會出發在想的是說也有部分就是在所謂碳廢的這一些部分\n\n06:14.591 --> 06:30.081\n他必須要去支持還有另外一部分呢是在於說在下面兩頁的時候可以看到他有涉及到的是有一個在下一頁可以看到的是說呢他有建立公民社會組織參與這個社會溝通平台那請問一下中研院有沒有對於說因為人們還是支持這些碳費碳費或碳稅這些的支持還有說公民的這個參與平台請問在人文社會處這一部分社會組這邊有沒有針對這個部分有一些的有一些相關的研究\n\n06:44.190 --> 07:03.492\n有我們在這個淨零計畫當中其中有一支是委託社會所林宗鴻研究員做一些社會溝通社會調查那就是各種淨零政策的對民眾的接受度民眾的意向等等做了相當深入的研究所以這邊是有的\n\n07:04.332 --> 07:07.214\n那會發生什麼效果會有一個時程表就是促進我們的尤其是你在當副召集人是不是可以提出來說讓我們政府在這邊在碳稅上面符合國際的這個標準等等的這些部分有沒有一個行動的計畫等等碳稅至於碳稅碳費的部分目前好像據我了解還沒有做到這一個部分因為\n\n07:26.164 --> 07:35.689\n那個跟一般民眾稍微一點距離比較跟產業界比較接近所以這部分未來我們會納入但是目前好像還沒有到這個地步\n\n07:36.665 --> 08:02.200\n那我就希望您在作為對策小組的副召集的時候能夠推出這些部分因為2050或是說今年的2026的時候明年2026的時候歐盟的部分這個CBAN就要進行了那下面有個問題就是說您在能源的態度上面因為您在過去的發表聯絡在去年到今年往下的狀況\n\n08:03.681 --> 08:31.522\n特別有呈現出來的說您在對第三代第四代核能等等甚至說您因為說淨零碳排的需求是很重要往下點點點因為我們就好幾篇文章這邊講說都是您曾經討論到德國的部分台灣核能的部分在共識之後也可以得到一些讓核廢料也處理的情況可以讓台灣有更好的安全選擇來去進行好那這個情況下我想要問的是您再往下一頁\n\n08:32.763 --> 08:56.973\n那您對於這個召集人對能源選項的立場為何那你對台灣有本錢放棄核能嗎我想這個一個政策一個能源政策要推動有四個面向第一個是科技的面向那我們是緊究科技面向來探討說核能方面科技面向是可以做的那剩下來看是不是和經濟效益這部分恐怕要經濟部或相關單位來判斷\n\n09:00.214 --> 09:28.728\n接下來要政治方面是不是可行社會可不可以接受這就完全不是中央醫院可以智慧的地方所以我們是緊就這個科技方面提出我們的意見然後希望社會能夠接下來進行看說社會的接受度那您的立場呢您的立場我們在立場是認為說在科技方面我們儘量利用科技解決社會的疑慮利用科技解決政治上的困難利用科技降低\n\n09:29.008 --> 09:38.293\n所以在科技沒有問題的情況之下核能是一個好的選項是嗎是的教科技我們要引進新的科技把現在即使是認為我們認為說現在的我們既有的核能設備有點老舊即使我們將來假如經過檢查還需要改善我們應該引進新的科技幫他改善\n\n09:51.781 --> 10:04.990\n好那往下一部分可是我們的環境基本法當中有提到往下往下核能基本法的環境基本法這邊有提到是說我們要訂定這個達成非核家園的目標氣候變遷因應法當中有提到說要逐步落實非核家園願景那您的看法這邊的話是不是跟你當年態度上\n\n10:10.094 --> 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