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00:01:03,787\n方案本期還是就三個問題來跟我們郭部長以及等一下的陳部長來做討論第一個我們現有的預算補助是否充足到位第二個我如何因應可能發生的失業跟匯率的波動所以等一下財政部也要來上來表達一下的相關的措施第三個擴大對美採購應該要鏈接國家的長期發展的策略好第一個呢我們這個\n\n4\n00:01:06,608 --> 00:01:31,533\n針對第一個問題現有的預算補助是否到位經濟部你的報告說880億當中有410億是跟經濟部有關我目前高雄的困境我相信部長你有相當的掌握在沒有三個月的這個暫緩的一個關稅的政策之前我高雄未被列入豁免範圍的金屬加工製品光是高雄的產值有多少金屬加工有2330億這2330億當中\n\n5\n00:01:35,174 --> 00:01:40,359\n有560億是出口的佔了我整個高雄金屬加工製造業的產產值的24%好這561出口當中呢又其中又以螺絲螺帽出口總額高達523億也就是這564億當中的出口92%\n\n6\n00:01:55,012 --> 00:02:16,960\n全部都是我高雄的螺絲螺帽好第二個我高雄的現有的產業廊擴包括我科學園區及半導體廠商受到的政策衝擊最為嚴重因為這些廊帶這些科學園區這些半導體廠商相關的周邊的廠商進駐到我高雄的都是以蘇美的資通訊產品跟電子零件為大宗這兩個輸出的產品資通訊產品跟電子產品\n\n7\n00:02:22,442 --> 00:02:38,759\n輸出我們在台灣輸出美國的出口達到65.4%所以這個直接對高雄的經濟當然一定產生重大的打擊好那410億能夠提供多久或多少我中南部是台灣船廠的\n\n8\n00:02:40,060 --> 00:03:01,290\n工業重鎮而且高雄更是重中之重所以呢經濟部提出了個別產業客製化的這個協助策略本期是非常認同的部長這我非常認同你那但是呢我要求就是希望秋季之外也能帶動產業的升級這等一下我有具體的要求這是第一個問題要跟您就教以及第二個階段後續準備跟預算當\n\n9\n00:03:02,671 --> 00:03:07,254\n我們現在規劃的預算比如說410億在經濟不夠的時候您的後面的這個啟動作業又是如何呢第二個問題好我們如何因應失業跟匯率的波動面對關稅對等關稅風暴產業已經基於疫情的我要嘛就就就減產要嘛我就裁員所以相關後面的報導不管是\n\n10\n00:03:25,727 --> 00:03:47,904\n彰化的這個水五金已經接收到美國的這個評單了他只好裁員官場包括我們台灣老牌的工廠的大裁員等等所以這會本席在意的是我勞工的家庭生計所以看到我們今年3月的CPI我們的消費者物價指數比去年同年期3月我高了2.29%我已經突破通膨的一個警戒性2%了\n\n11\n00:03:52,768 --> 00:04:01,097\n好那再來PPI這個生產物價指數我今年3月生產者物價指數比去年3月的生產者物價指數高了3.53那再加上我這一個禮拜我台幣大貶值\n\n12\n00:04:08,004 --> 00:04:31,054\n所以我可以預期台灣的通膨膨脹是應該要被因應的這簡單的講我人民的這個消費的痛苦指數提高了那我這個生產的成本也提高了那再加上這個關稅又砍單了那再加上我台幣貶值我出口當然是已經又面臨砍單我台幣貶值的情況之下當然我整個\n\n13\n00:04:32,374 --> 00:04:50,684\n我們整個台灣的一個經濟的通膨當中我們是很憂慮的所以經濟部提出說好你們提出了利息補貼也提出了研發補助本席都認同但是我更在意的是勞工權益這一題等一下財政部要來回應我因為我有這個具體的建議好第三\n\n14\n00:04:51,264 --> 00:04:55,488\n擴大對媒採購應鏈結國家的長期發展總統這邊已經很明確的指示了我們行政院已經盤點對農工石油天然氣國防等產品進行採購跟投資好那經濟部農業部將相關採購計畫也要納入國家中產級的發展戰略我想這個你們不會反對但\n\n15\n00:05:14,523 --> 00:05:39,356\n好我幾個幾項第一個在這個國企國運國管有關天然氣的部分台美雙方已經簽訂了在部長您的支持之下中油也確實去投資美國阿拉斯加的這個天然氣廠我們也會有採購也有投資的計畫那目前也就是要穩定天然氣的供應穩定考量地緣政治本席主張的天然氣國企\n\n16\n00:05:41,958 --> 00:05:56,608\n國運國管所以如果將天然來提升臺灣人員安全的自主性就這個政策來講本席是非常感謝郭部長您上來您支持這個計畫所以也因為你的支持中油也很趕快的\n\n17\n00:05:57,288 --> 00:06:10,661\n本來不想要去跟他跟中油跟日本投資的尼米克公司去談這個延約您支持下他要去談了也配合今天這個政策但本席發現到中油去跟轉投資的尼米克討論後續的展延計畫的時候\n\n18\n00:06:13,163 --> 00:06:23,375\n最在意的他沒有去規劃國籍天然氣航運人才的養成這是本席最在意的我既然如果全部國企國運之後呢我國管啊只有台灣船籍的船長才會配合國家的政策啊\n\n19\n00:06:31,585 --> 00:06:43,922\n只有台灣籍的國家的船長才會知道在面臨地緣政治的時候我國家的人員政策國內有危機的時候他會配合政策進來只有台灣籍的船長那船長怎麼來當然從基層的船員啊\n\n20\n00:06:48,368 --> 00:06:53,792\n大副二副這個水手這樣這個基層上來呀所以這個部分我是要求這個既然經濟部已經開始重啟國際國運但我要國管所以我這邊要求經濟部您這個請中油要特別將這個台灣級天然氣船廠天然氣船的船長納入這次對美採購合併的規劃這是可以做到嗎\n\n21\n00:07:16,005 --> 00:07:31,216\n報告委員我們會根據你的這樣的一個方案我們會跟交通部深刻的快速的來檢討將這樣的一個方向能夠落實對因為最後要訓練還是回到台船回到中友因為船是他的\n\n22\n00:07:31,696 --> 00:07:42,299\n那船員還是他的場域是他的啊那包括要支持當然交通部可以來支援這樣技術可是最後在整個實習面還是都是在中油的相關的一個場域內好第二個高雄地區的台灣雕這個陳部長就請你上來了\n\n23\n00:07:49,381 --> 00:08:14,710\n高雄地區的台灣鯛跟鱸魚對美我現在講高雄喔我的農業當中最危險的就是台灣鯛跟鱸魚對美有將近一億出頭的出口額相較於其他的晉升對手包括巴西我的這個關稅它是10%本來我們是32%在這個昨天晚上的三個月還沒暫緩之前所以我們的市場絕對會被搶走我高雄的台灣鯛跟鱸魚的市場就沒有了所以呢\n\n24\n00:08:15,390 --> 00:08:30,588\n在這邊防範於未來因為這樣的一個關稅暫緩就三個月而已所以如果談判不順利巴西的關稅還是維持10%那我們還是比10%高的時候那您的因應措施是什麼\n\n25\n00:08:31,591 --> 00:08:45,609\n跟委員報告您所關切的這些無國魚的部分雖然說我們無國魚的出口量79%到美國去但是從美國來講我們的主要競爭對手國是中國因為我講的是台灣鯛跟鱸魚對台灣鯛就是台灣鯛\n\n26\n00:08:48,653 --> 00:09:17,593\n台湾条本身进到美国去进到美国去的是中国是占了66%我们是占7%而已所以我们的最大竞争对手国是中国那以现在目前为止中国的关税是远高于我们其实它是另外一个机会我们可以趁这个机会但是我们另外一个对手是巴西喔它当然中国就已经被排除在外嘛那个是美国它的政策嘛但是在排除中国之后我的最大竞争对手是巴西喔\n\n27\n00:09:18,273 --> 00:09:46,373\n所以說整個美國市場如果不萎縮的時候中國這個高關稅不能進去的時候就是台灣還有巴西有可能去競爭更多的市場所以這個部分我們在產業的時候就會輔導他們去加速他們的一個外銷的整個的一個品質特別是條魚跟條凍的這些部分的冷藏跟有系統的生食級的吳國瑜能夠進到美國他的高端市場是維持在那邊的好走高端市場好\n\n28\n00:09:47,674 --> 00:10:04,296\n那這邊這個陳部長您請回啦那這個郭部長跟我們的財政部次長來因為我在意的是我中小企業這個財政部啊我在你們這個補貼例許當中我在這邊有個要求\n\n29\n00:10:05,738 --> 00:10:12,468\n財政部應該統籌八大行庫組成融資專案小組配合我經濟部配合我農業部的產業政策評估將部財源保證設定於貸款條件當中你經濟部你的中小企業處也要\n\n30\n00:10:21,260 --> 00:10:36,485\n合時的去監督審核到底這個簽了不裁我政府補貼你這個貸款的利率那這個中小企業你核定了這樣的一個補助計畫那到底有沒有落實不裁員這件事情我不知道次長您怎麼看\n\n31\n00:10:37,725 --> 00:11:05,093\n是委員我想那個有關於中小微企業這部分的貸款的話基本上我們公股行庫一定會配合來辦理那委員是希望把不裁員這個條件納入一個評估的參考這個我們也會請八大公股行庫來列為參考我想這是一個很重要的原則我在意的是你拿了補貼之後到底你真的企業拿了補貼之後到底是不是真的有還是去做相關的套利的動作我想講這樣應該次長知道我在講什麼\n\n32\n00:11:07,974 --> 00:11:25,369\n所以對於真的可以拿得到立即補貼的那他真的是要能夠有不裁員的保證好不好那第二個針對經濟部提出方案你們對於區域及產業聚落進行補貼分配的專案當中尤其對中小型本席是最在意中小型企業跟傳統產業所以你410億當中我強烈要求60%\n\n33\n00:11:31,374 --> 00:11:46,508\n你一定要用在這個我的中小型企業跟船長避免資源集中在優勢產業什麼叫優勢產業就是他只有賺錢啊即使我現在面對高官雖然他的承受力還有可是面對這個高官雖然我中小企業跟船長是會倒成一片的\n\n34\n00:11:47,488 --> 00:12:14,651\n那所以呢這個60%是補助在中小型企業跟船廠而避免在這個再去的去補助不是說不補助半導體跟資通訊的還是要但是你至少40%給他們去分60%一定要在中小型企業跟船廠這個部長你怎麼看是這個我們可以做到啦是剛才委員在講說這個不裁員我們也不降薪啦這個是我們的條件喔好好好\n\n35\n00:12:17,194 --> 00:12:32,375\n在這邊當然也希望美國的暫緩政策這三個月當中請各部會能夠加強跟地方跟產業的務實對話能夠聽取產業的心聲基層的需求作為輔助政策的制定參考我們大家一起努力謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5799\t9735\t好 我們先有請郭部長好 有請部長郭部長\n17298\t36630\t這個川普關稅下的這個海嘯我們國家是產業跟人民就業的唯一依靠好 粉絲呢 針對我們目前不管是昨天晚上的關稅的一個暫緩三個月或者是我們現在政府所提出的相關的一個救急方案\n36630\t63787\t方案本期還是就三個問題來跟我們郭部長以及等一下的陳部長來做討論第一個我們現有的預算補助是否充足到位第二個我如何因應可能發生的失業跟匯率的波動所以等一下財政部也要來上來表達一下的相關的措施第三個擴大對美採購應該要鏈接國家的長期發展的策略好第一個呢我們這個\n66608\t91533\t針對第一個問題現有的預算補助是否到位經濟部你的報告說880億當中有410億是跟經濟部有關我目前高雄的困境我相信部長你有相當的掌握在沒有三個月的這個暫緩的一個關稅的政策之前我高雄未被列入豁免範圍的金屬加工製品光是高雄的產值有多少金屬加工有2330億這2330億當中\n95174\t100359\t有560億是出口的佔了我整個高雄金屬加工製造業的產產值的24%好這561出口當中呢又其中又以螺絲螺帽出口總額高達523億也就是這564億當中的出口92%\n115012\t136960\t全部都是我高雄的螺絲螺帽好第二個我高雄的現有的產業廊擴包括我科學園區及半導體廠商受到的政策衝擊最為嚴重因為這些廊帶這些科學園區這些半導體廠商相關的周邊的廠商進駐到我高雄的都是以蘇美的資通訊產品跟電子零件為大宗這兩個輸出的產品資通訊產品跟電子產品\n142442\t158759\t輸出我們在台灣輸出美國的出口達到65.4%所以這個直接對高雄的經濟當然一定產生重大的打擊好那410億能夠提供多久或多少我中南部是台灣船廠的\n160060\t181290\t工業重鎮而且高雄更是重中之重所以呢經濟部提出了個別產業客製化的這個協助策略本期是非常認同的部長這我非常認同你那但是呢我要求就是希望秋季之外也能帶動產業的升級這等一下我有具體的要求這是第一個問題要跟您就教以及第二個階段後續準備跟預算當\n182671\t187254\t我們現在規劃的預算比如說410億在經濟不夠的時候您的後面的這個啟動作業又是如何呢第二個問題好我們如何因應失業跟匯率的波動面對關稅對等關稅風暴產業已經基於疫情的我要嘛就就就減產要嘛我就裁員所以相關後面的報導不管是\n205727\t227904\t彰化的這個水五金已經接收到美國的這個評單了他只好裁員官場包括我們台灣老牌的工廠的大裁員等等所以這會本席在意的是我勞工的家庭生計所以看到我們今年3月的CPI我們的消費者物價指數比去年同年期3月我高了2.29%我已經突破通膨的一個警戒性2%了\n232768\t241097\t好那再來PPI這個生產物價指數我今年3月生產者物價指數比去年3月的生產者物價指數高了3.53那再加上我這一個禮拜我台幣大貶值\n248004\t271054\t所以我可以預期台灣的通膨膨脹是應該要被因應的這簡單的講我人民的這個消費的痛苦指數提高了那我這個生產的成本也提高了那再加上這個關稅又砍單了那再加上我台幣貶值我出口當然是已經又面臨砍單我台幣貶值的情況之下當然我整個\n272374\t290684\t我們整個台灣的一個經濟的通膨當中我們是很憂慮的所以經濟部提出說好你們提出了利息補貼也提出了研發補助本席都認同但是我更在意的是勞工權益這一題等一下財政部要來回應我因為我有這個具體的建議好第三\n291264\t295488\t擴大對媒採購應鏈結國家的長期發展總統這邊已經很明確的指示了我們行政院已經盤點對農工石油天然氣國防等產品進行採購跟投資好那經濟部農業部將相關採購計畫也要納入國家中產級的發展戰略我想這個你們不會反對但\n314523\t339356\t好我幾個幾項第一個在這個國企國運國管有關天然氣的部分台美雙方已經簽訂了在部長您的支持之下中油也確實去投資美國阿拉斯加的這個天然氣廠我們也會有採購也有投資的計畫那目前也就是要穩定天然氣的供應穩定考量地緣政治本席主張的天然氣國企\n341958\t356608\t國運 國管所以如果將天然來提升臺灣人員安全的自主性就這個政策來講本席是非常感謝郭部長您上來您支持這個計畫所以也因為你的支持中油也很趕快的\n357288\t370661\t本來不想要去跟他跟中油跟日本投資的尼米克公司去談這個延約您支持下他要去談了也配合今天這個政策但本席發現到中油去跟轉投資的尼米克討論後續的展延計畫的時候\n373163\t383375\t最在意的他沒有去規劃國籍天然氣航運人才的養成這是本席最在意的我既然如果全部國企國運之後呢我國管啊只有台灣船籍的船長才會配合國家的政策啊\n391585\t403922\t只有台灣籍的國家的船長才會知道在面臨地緣政治的時候我國家的人員政策國內有危機的時候他會配合政策進來只有台灣籍的船長那船長怎麼來當然從基層的船員啊\n408368\t413792\t大副二副這個水手這樣這個基層上來呀所以這個部分我是要求這個既然經濟部已經開始重啟國際國運但我要國管所以我這邊要求經濟部您這個請中油要特別將這個台灣級天然氣船廠天然氣船的船長納入這次對美採購合併的規劃這是可以做到嗎\n436005\t451216\t報告委員我們會根據你的這樣的一個方案我們會跟交通部深刻的快速的來檢討將這樣的一個方向能夠落實對因為最後要訓練還是回到台船回到中友因為船是他的\n451696\t462299\t那船員還是他的場域是他的啊那包括要支持當然交通部可以來支援這樣技術可是最後在整個實習面還是都是在中油的相關的一個場域內好第二個高雄地區的台灣雕這個陳部長就請你上來了\n469381\t494710\t高雄地區的台灣鯛跟鱸魚對美我現在講高雄喔我的農業當中最危險的就是台灣鯛跟鱸魚對美有將近一億出頭的出口額相較於其他的晉升對手包括巴西我的這個關稅它是10%本來我們是32%在這個昨天晚上的三個月還沒暫緩之前所以我們的市場絕對會被搶走我高雄的台灣鯛跟鱸魚的市場就沒有了所以呢\n495390\t510588\t在這邊防範於未來因為這樣的一個關稅暫緩就三個月而已所以如果談判不順利巴西的關稅還是維持10%那我們還是比10%高的時候那您的因應措施是什麼\n511591\t525609\t跟委員報告您所關切的這些無國魚的部分雖然說我們無國魚的出口量79%到美國去但是從美國來講我們的主要競爭對手國是中國因為我講的是台灣鯛跟鱸魚對 台灣鯛就是台灣鯛\n528653\t557593\t台湾条本身进到美国去进到美国去的是中国是占了66%我们是占7%而已所以我们的最大竞争对手国是中国那以现在目前为止中国的关税是远高于我们其实它是另外一个机会我们可以趁这个机会但是我们另外一个对手是巴西喔它当然中国就已经被排除在外嘛那个是美国它的政策嘛但是在排除中国之后我的最大竞争对手是巴西喔\n558273\t586373\t所以說整個美國市場如果不萎縮的時候中國這個高關稅不能進去的時候就是台灣還有巴西有可能去競爭更多的市場所以這個部分我們在產業的時候就會輔導他們去加速他們的一個外銷的整個的一個品質特別是條魚跟條凍的這些部分的冷藏跟有系統的生食級的吳國瑜能夠進到美國他的高端市場是維持在那邊的好 走高端市場好\n587674\t604296\t那這邊這個陳部長您請回啦那這個郭部長跟我們的財政部次長來因為我在意的是我中小企業這個財政部啊我在你們這個補貼例許當中我在這邊有個要求\n605738\t612468\t財政部應該統籌八大行庫組成融資專案小組配合我經濟部配合我農業部的產業政策評估將部財源保證設定於貸款條件當中你經濟部你的中小企業處也要\n621260\t636485\t合時的去監督審核到底這個簽了不裁我政府補貼你這個貸款的利率那這個中小企業你核定了這樣的一個補助計畫那到底有沒有落實不裁員這件事情我不知道次長您怎麼看\n637725\t665093\t是委員我想那個有關於中小微企業這部分的貸款的話基本上我們公股行庫一定會配合來辦理那委員是希望把不裁員這個條件納入一個評估的參考這個我們也會請八大公股行庫來列為參考我想這是一個很重要的原則我在意的是你拿了補貼之後到底你真的企業拿了補貼之後到底是不是真的有還是去做相關的套利的動作我想講這樣應該次長知道我在講什麼\n667974\t685369\t所以對於真的可以拿得到立即補貼的那他真的是要能夠有不裁員的保證 好不好那第二個針對經濟部提出方案你們對於區域及產業聚落進行補貼分配的專案當中尤其對中小型 本席是最在意中小型企業跟傳統產業所以你410億當中我強烈要求60%\n691374\t706508\t你一定要用在這個我的中小型企業跟船長避免資源集中在優勢產業什麼叫優勢產業就是他只有賺錢啊即使我現在面對高官雖然他的承受力還有可是面對這個高官雖然我中小企業跟船長是會倒成一片的\n707488\t734651\t那所以呢這個60%是補助在中小型企業跟船廠而避免在這個再去的去補助不是說不補助半導體跟資通訊的還是要但是你至少40%給他們去分60%一定要在中小型企業跟船廠這個部長你怎麼看是這個我們可以做到啦是剛才委員在講說這個不裁員我們也不降薪啦這個是我們的條件喔好好好\n737194\t752375\t在這邊當然也希望美國的暫緩政策這三個月當中請各部會能夠加強跟地方跟產業的務實對話能夠聽取產業的心聲基層的需求作為輔助政策的制定參考我們大家一起努力 謝謝\n","txt":"好 我們先有請郭部長好 有請部長郭部長\n這個川普關稅下的這個海嘯我們國家是產業跟人民就業的唯一依靠好 粉絲呢 針對我們目前不管是昨天晚上的關稅的一個暫緩三個月或者是我們現在政府所提出的相關的一個救急方案\n方案本期還是就三個問題來跟我們郭部長以及等一下的陳部長來做討論第一個我們現有的預算補助是否充足到位第二個我如何因應可能發生的失業跟匯率的波動所以等一下財政部也要來上來表達一下的相關的措施第三個擴大對美採購應該要鏈接國家的長期發展的策略好第一個呢我們這個\n針對第一個問題現有的預算補助是否到位經濟部你的報告說880億當中有410億是跟經濟部有關我目前高雄的困境我相信部長你有相當的掌握在沒有三個月的這個暫緩的一個關稅的政策之前我高雄未被列入豁免範圍的金屬加工製品光是高雄的產值有多少金屬加工有2330億這2330億當中\n有560億是出口的佔了我整個高雄金屬加工製造業的產產值的24%好這561出口當中呢又其中又以螺絲螺帽出口總額高達523億也就是這564億當中的出口92%\n全部都是我高雄的螺絲螺帽好第二個我高雄的現有的產業廊擴包括我科學園區及半導體廠商受到的政策衝擊最為嚴重因為這些廊帶這些科學園區這些半導體廠商相關的周邊的廠商進駐到我高雄的都是以蘇美的資通訊產品跟電子零件為大宗這兩個輸出的產品資通訊產品跟電子產品\n輸出我們在台灣輸出美國的出口達到65.4%所以這個直接對高雄的經濟當然一定產生重大的打擊好那410億能夠提供多久或多少我中南部是台灣船廠的\n工業重鎮而且高雄更是重中之重所以呢經濟部提出了個別產業客製化的這個協助策略本期是非常認同的部長這我非常認同你那但是呢我要求就是希望秋季之外也能帶動產業的升級這等一下我有具體的要求這是第一個問題要跟您就教以及第二個階段後續準備跟預算當\n我們現在規劃的預算比如說410億在經濟不夠的時候您的後面的這個啟動作業又是如何呢第二個問題好我們如何因應失業跟匯率的波動面對關稅對等關稅風暴產業已經基於疫情的我要嘛就就就減產要嘛我就裁員所以相關後面的報導不管是\n彰化的這個水五金已經接收到美國的這個評單了他只好裁員官場包括我們台灣老牌的工廠的大裁員等等所以這會本席在意的是我勞工的家庭生計所以看到我們今年3月的CPI我們的消費者物價指數比去年同年期3月我高了2.29%我已經突破通膨的一個警戒性2%了\n好那再來PPI這個生產物價指數我今年3月生產者物價指數比去年3月的生產者物價指數高了3.53那再加上我這一個禮拜我台幣大貶值\n所以我可以預期台灣的通膨膨脹是應該要被因應的這簡單的講我人民的這個消費的痛苦指數提高了那我這個生產的成本也提高了那再加上這個關稅又砍單了那再加上我台幣貶值我出口當然是已經又面臨砍單我台幣貶值的情況之下當然我整個\n我們整個台灣的一個經濟的通膨當中我們是很憂慮的所以經濟部提出說好你們提出了利息補貼也提出了研發補助本席都認同但是我更在意的是勞工權益這一題等一下財政部要來回應我因為我有這個具體的建議好第三\n擴大對媒採購應鏈結國家的長期發展總統這邊已經很明確的指示了我們行政院已經盤點對農工石油天然氣國防等產品進行採購跟投資好那經濟部農業部將相關採購計畫也要納入國家中產級的發展戰略我想這個你們不會反對但\n好我幾個幾項第一個在這個國企國運國管有關天然氣的部分台美雙方已經簽訂了在部長您的支持之下中油也確實去投資美國阿拉斯加的這個天然氣廠我們也會有採購也有投資的計畫那目前也就是要穩定天然氣的供應穩定考量地緣政治本席主張的天然氣國企\n國運 國管所以如果將天然來提升臺灣人員安全的自主性就這個政策來講本席是非常感謝郭部長您上來您支持這個計畫所以也因為你的支持中油也很趕快的\n本來不想要去跟他跟中油跟日本投資的尼米克公司去談這個延約您支持下他要去談了也配合今天這個政策但本席發現到中油去跟轉投資的尼米克討論後續的展延計畫的時候\n最在意的他沒有去規劃國籍天然氣航運人才的養成這是本席最在意的我既然如果全部國企國運之後呢我國管啊只有台灣船籍的船長才會配合國家的政策啊\n只有台灣籍的國家的船長才會知道在面臨地緣政治的時候我國家的人員政策國內有危機的時候他會配合政策進來只有台灣籍的船長那船長怎麼來當然從基層的船員啊\n大副二副這個水手這樣這個基層上來呀所以這個部分我是要求這個既然經濟部已經開始重啟國際國運但我要國管所以我這邊要求經濟部您這個請中油要特別將這個台灣級天然氣船廠天然氣船的船長納入這次對美採購合併的規劃這是可以做到嗎\n報告委員我們會根據你的這樣的一個方案我們會跟交通部深刻的快速的來檢討將這樣的一個方向能夠落實對因為最後要訓練還是回到台船回到中友因為船是他的\n那船員還是他的場域是他的啊那包括要支持當然交通部可以來支援這樣技術可是最後在整個實習面還是都是在中油的相關的一個場域內好第二個高雄地區的台灣雕這個陳部長就請你上來了\n高雄地區的台灣鯛跟鱸魚對美我現在講高雄喔我的農業當中最危險的就是台灣鯛跟鱸魚對美有將近一億出頭的出口額相較於其他的晉升對手包括巴西我的這個關稅它是10%本來我們是32%在這個昨天晚上的三個月還沒暫緩之前所以我們的市場絕對會被搶走我高雄的台灣鯛跟鱸魚的市場就沒有了所以呢\n在這邊防範於未來因為這樣的一個關稅暫緩就三個月而已所以如果談判不順利巴西的關稅還是維持10%那我們還是比10%高的時候那您的因應措施是什麼\n跟委員報告您所關切的這些無國魚的部分雖然說我們無國魚的出口量79%到美國去但是從美國來講我們的主要競爭對手國是中國因為我講的是台灣鯛跟鱸魚對 台灣鯛就是台灣鯛\n台湾条本身进到美国去进到美国去的是中国是占了66%我们是占7%而已所以我们的最大竞争对手国是中国那以现在目前为止中国的关税是远高于我们其实它是另外一个机会我们可以趁这个机会但是我们另外一个对手是巴西喔它当然中国就已经被排除在外嘛那个是美国它的政策嘛但是在排除中国之后我的最大竞争对手是巴西喔\n所以說整個美國市場如果不萎縮的時候中國這個高關稅不能進去的時候就是台灣還有巴西有可能去競爭更多的市場所以這個部分我們在產業的時候就會輔導他們去加速他們的一個外銷的整個的一個品質特別是條魚跟條凍的這些部分的冷藏跟有系統的生食級的吳國瑜能夠進到美國他的高端市場是維持在那邊的好 走高端市場好\n那這邊這個陳部長您請回啦那這個郭部長跟我們的財政部次長來因為我在意的是我中小企業這個財政部啊我在你們這個補貼例許當中我在這邊有個要求\n財政部應該統籌八大行庫組成融資專案小組配合我經濟部配合我農業部的產業政策評估將部財源保證設定於貸款條件當中你經濟部你的中小企業處也要\n合時的去監督審核到底這個簽了不裁我政府補貼你這個貸款的利率那這個中小企業你核定了這樣的一個補助計畫那到底有沒有落實不裁員這件事情我不知道次長您怎麼看\n是委員我想那個有關於中小微企業這部分的貸款的話基本上我們公股行庫一定會配合來辦理那委員是希望把不裁員這個條件納入一個評估的參考這個我們也會請八大公股行庫來列為參考我想這是一個很重要的原則我在意的是你拿了補貼之後到底你真的企業拿了補貼之後到底是不是真的有還是去做相關的套利的動作我想講這樣應該次長知道我在講什麼\n所以對於真的可以拿得到立即補貼的那他真的是要能夠有不裁員的保證 好不好那第二個針對經濟部提出方案你們對於區域及產業聚落進行補貼分配的專案當中尤其對中小型 本席是最在意中小型企業跟傳統產業所以你410億當中我強烈要求60%\n你一定要用在這個我的中小型企業跟船長避免資源集中在優勢產業什麼叫優勢產業就是他只有賺錢啊即使我現在面對高官雖然他的承受力還有可是面對這個高官雖然我中小企業跟船長是會倒成一片的\n那所以呢這個60%是補助在中小型企業跟船廠而避免在這個再去的去補助不是說不補助半導體跟資通訊的還是要但是你至少40%給他們去分60%一定要在中小型企業跟船廠這個部長你怎麼看是這個我們可以做到啦是剛才委員在講說這個不裁員我們也不降薪啦這個是我們的條件喔好好好\n在這邊當然也希望美國的暫緩政策這三個月當中請各部會能夠加強跟地方跟產業的務實對話能夠聽取產業的心聲基層的需求作為輔助政策的制定參考我們大家一起努力 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.799 --> 00:09.735\n好我們先有請郭部長好有請部長郭部長\n\n00:17.298 --> 00:36.630\n這個川普關稅下的這個海嘯我們國家是產業跟人民就業的唯一依靠好粉絲呢針對我們目前不管是昨天晚上的關稅的一個暫緩三個月或者是我們現在政府所提出的相關的一個救急方案\n\n00:36.630 --> 01:03.787\n方案本期還是就三個問題來跟我們郭部長以及等一下的陳部長來做討論第一個我們現有的預算補助是否充足到位第二個我如何因應可能發生的失業跟匯率的波動所以等一下財政部也要來上來表達一下的相關的措施第三個擴大對美採購應該要鏈接國家的長期發展的策略好第一個呢我們這個\n\n01:06.608 --> 01:31.533\n針對第一個問題現有的預算補助是否到位經濟部你的報告說880億當中有410億是跟經濟部有關我目前高雄的困境我相信部長你有相當的掌握在沒有三個月的這個暫緩的一個關稅的政策之前我高雄未被列入豁免範圍的金屬加工製品光是高雄的產值有多少金屬加工有2330億這2330億當中\n\n01:35.174 --> 01:40.359\n有560億是出口的佔了我整個高雄金屬加工製造業的產產值的24%好這561出口當中呢又其中又以螺絲螺帽出口總額高達523億也就是這564億當中的出口92%\n\n01:55.012 --> 02:16.960\n全部都是我高雄的螺絲螺帽好第二個我高雄的現有的產業廊擴包括我科學園區及半導體廠商受到的政策衝擊最為嚴重因為這些廊帶這些科學園區這些半導體廠商相關的周邊的廠商進駐到我高雄的都是以蘇美的資通訊產品跟電子零件為大宗這兩個輸出的產品資通訊產品跟電子產品\n\n02:22.442 --> 02:38.759\n輸出我們在台灣輸出美國的出口達到65.4%所以這個直接對高雄的經濟當然一定產生重大的打擊好那410億能夠提供多久或多少我中南部是台灣船廠的\n\n02:40.060 --> 03:01.290\n工業重鎮而且高雄更是重中之重所以呢經濟部提出了個別產業客製化的這個協助策略本期是非常認同的部長這我非常認同你那但是呢我要求就是希望秋季之外也能帶動產業的升級這等一下我有具體的要求這是第一個問題要跟您就教以及第二個階段後續準備跟預算當\n\n03:02.671 --> 03:07.254\n我們現在規劃的預算比如說410億在經濟不夠的時候您的後面的這個啟動作業又是如何呢第二個問題好我們如何因應失業跟匯率的波動面對關稅對等關稅風暴產業已經基於疫情的我要嘛就就就減產要嘛我就裁員所以相關後面的報導不管是\n\n03:25.727 --> 03:47.904\n彰化的這個水五金已經接收到美國的這個評單了他只好裁員官場包括我們台灣老牌的工廠的大裁員等等所以這會本席在意的是我勞工的家庭生計所以看到我們今年3月的CPI我們的消費者物價指數比去年同年期3月我高了2.29%我已經突破通膨的一個警戒性2%了\n\n03:52.768 --> 04:01.097\n好那再來PPI這個生產物價指數我今年3月生產者物價指數比去年3月的生產者物價指數高了3.53那再加上我這一個禮拜我台幣大貶值\n\n04:08.004 --> 04:31.054\n所以我可以預期台灣的通膨膨脹是應該要被因應的這簡單的講我人民的這個消費的痛苦指數提高了那我這個生產的成本也提高了那再加上這個關稅又砍單了那再加上我台幣貶值我出口當然是已經又面臨砍單我台幣貶值的情況之下當然我整個\n\n04:32.374 --> 04:50.684\n我們整個台灣的一個經濟的通膨當中我們是很憂慮的所以經濟部提出說好你們提出了利息補貼也提出了研發補助本席都認同但是我更在意的是勞工權益這一題等一下財政部要來回應我因為我有這個具體的建議好第三\n\n04:51.264 --> 04:55.488\n擴大對媒採購應鏈結國家的長期發展總統這邊已經很明確的指示了我們行政院已經盤點對農工石油天然氣國防等產品進行採購跟投資好那經濟部農業部將相關採購計畫也要納入國家中產級的發展戰略我想這個你們不會反對但\n\n05:14.523 --> 05:39.356\n好我幾個幾項第一個在這個國企國運國管有關天然氣的部分台美雙方已經簽訂了在部長您的支持之下中油也確實去投資美國阿拉斯加的這個天然氣廠我們也會有採購也有投資的計畫那目前也就是要穩定天然氣的供應穩定考量地緣政治本席主張的天然氣國企\n\n05:41.958 --> 05:56.608\n國運國管所以如果將天然來提升臺灣人員安全的自主性就這個政策來講本席是非常感謝郭部長您上來您支持這個計畫所以也因為你的支持中油也很趕快的\n\n05:57.288 --> 06:10.661\n本來不想要去跟他跟中油跟日本投資的尼米克公司去談這個延約您支持下他要去談了也配合今天這個政策但本席發現到中油去跟轉投資的尼米克討論後續的展延計畫的時候\n\n06:13.163 --> 06:23.375\n最在意的他沒有去規劃國籍天然氣航運人才的養成這是本席最在意的我既然如果全部國企國運之後呢我國管啊只有台灣船籍的船長才會配合國家的政策啊\n\n06:31.585 --> 06:43.922\n只有台灣籍的國家的船長才會知道在面臨地緣政治的時候我國家的人員政策國內有危機的時候他會配合政策進來只有台灣籍的船長那船長怎麼來當然從基層的船員啊\n\n06:48.368 --> 06:53.792\n大副二副這個水手這樣這個基層上來呀所以這個部分我是要求這個既然經濟部已經開始重啟國際國運但我要國管所以我這邊要求經濟部您這個請中油要特別將這個台灣級天然氣船廠天然氣船的船長納入這次對美採購合併的規劃這是可以做到嗎\n\n07:16.005 --> 07:31.216\n報告委員我們會根據你的這樣的一個方案我們會跟交通部深刻的快速的來檢討將這樣的一個方向能夠落實對因為最後要訓練還是回到台船回到中友因為船是他的\n\n07:31.696 --> 07:42.299\n那船員還是他的場域是他的啊那包括要支持當然交通部可以來支援這樣技術可是最後在整個實習面還是都是在中油的相關的一個場域內好第二個高雄地區的台灣雕這個陳部長就請你上來了\n\n07:49.381 --> 08:14.710\n高雄地區的台灣鯛跟鱸魚對美我現在講高雄喔我的農業當中最危險的就是台灣鯛跟鱸魚對美有將近一億出頭的出口額相較於其他的晉升對手包括巴西我的這個關稅它是10%本來我們是32%在這個昨天晚上的三個月還沒暫緩之前所以我們的市場絕對會被搶走我高雄的台灣鯛跟鱸魚的市場就沒有了所以呢\n\n08:15.390 --> 08:30.588\n在這邊防範於未來因為這樣的一個關稅暫緩就三個月而已所以如果談判不順利巴西的關稅還是維持10%那我們還是比10%高的時候那您的因應措施是什麼\n\n08:31.591 --> 08:45.609\n跟委員報告您所關切的這些無國魚的部分雖然說我們無國魚的出口量79%到美國去但是從美國來講我們的主要競爭對手國是中國因為我講的是台灣鯛跟鱸魚對台灣鯛就是台灣鯛\n\n08:48.653 --> 09:17.593\n台湾条本身进到美国去进到美国去的是中国是占了66%我们是占7%而已所以我们的最大竞争对手国是中国那以现在目前为止中国的关税是远高于我们其实它是另外一个机会我们可以趁这个机会但是我们另外一个对手是巴西喔它当然中国就已经被排除在外嘛那个是美国它的政策嘛但是在排除中国之后我的最大竞争对手是巴西喔\n\n09:18.273 --> 09:46.373\n所以說整個美國市場如果不萎縮的時候中國這個高關稅不能進去的時候就是台灣還有巴西有可能去競爭更多的市場所以這個部分我們在產業的時候就會輔導他們去加速他們的一個外銷的整個的一個品質特別是條魚跟條凍的這些部分的冷藏跟有系統的生食級的吳國瑜能夠進到美國他的高端市場是維持在那邊的好走高端市場好\n\n09:47.674 --> 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好不好那第二個針對經濟部提出方案你們對於區域及產業聚落進行補貼分配的專案當中尤其對中小型 本席是最在意中小型企業跟傳統產業所以你410億當中我強烈要求60%"},{"start":691.374,"end":706.508,"text":"你一定要用在這個我的中小型企業跟船長避免資源集中在優勢產業什麼叫優勢產業就是他只有賺錢啊即使我現在面對高官雖然他的承受力還有可是面對這個高官雖然我中小企業跟船長是會倒成一片的"},{"start":707.488,"end":734.651,"text":"那所以呢這個60%是補助在中小型企業跟船廠而避免在這個再去的去補助不是說不補助半導體跟資通訊的還是要但是你至少40%給他們去分60%一定要在中小型企業跟船廠這個部長你怎麼看是這個我們可以做到啦是剛才委員在講說這個不裁員我們也不降薪啦這個是我們的條件喔好好好"},{"start":737.194,"end":752.375,"text":"在這邊當然也希望美國的暫緩政策這三個月當中請各部會能夠加強跟地方跟產業的務實對話能夠聽取產業的心聲基層的需求作為輔助政策的制定參考我們大家一起努力 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