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00:02:58,660\n這也是最重要的關鍵所以部長麻煩你這個部分再拜託把一些策略政策要做好比較詳細的討論兩個方向一個是怎麼應付未來的談判\n\n9\n00:03:04,761 --> 00:03:19,572\n我們的關稅要怎麼處理第二就是我們要怎麼讓在美國對於中國產業制裁的當中我們要怎麼讓台商回流拜託那我們請財政部好請理事長\n\n10\n00:03:27,609 --> 00:03:49,721\n市長現在我想你也知道每次我們說我們要紓困我們的公股銀行要來協助可是你知道嗎每一次這個帽子開得很高可是做出來的並不是如此因為很重要的一個關節就是訂單\n\n11\n00:03:51,169 --> 00:03:58,004\n是了解很多我們的銀行端他都會說你有訂單我才要給你廢話這個狀態完全不同\n\n12\n00:04:02,516 --> 00:04:27,157\n這個狀態現在我們所面臨的是因為我們可能美國關稅的調整而造成訂單的縮減雖然我們現在積極努力要去做一些協調溝通可是當我們銀行端在做一些他的核准條件他都會先看你的背後未來的體制\n\n13\n00:04:28,178 --> 00:04:32,782\n那跟我們這一次就完全不同啊市長有沒有什麼樣在針對這一波的狀態當中有做什麼調整\n\n14\n00:04:38,142 --> 00:04:58,135\n報告委員因為銀行在做融資貸款的時候他們還是會有風險考量風險考量才是現在壓死大家的重點但是目前有我們中好企業銀行跟八大公關一起協助合作\n\n15\n00:04:58,815 --> 00:05:23,258\n以自由資金來做的這個融資貸款他其實他主要就是希望能夠提供給這個企業做這個營運所需的周轉性的支出或者是說他要擴建廠房機器設備我都知道這些可是我們來自基層我們聽到很多企業跟我們投訴說每次我們去申請總是第一個條件是你的訂單在哪裡\n\n16\n00:05:24,139 --> 00:05:36,760\n你的背後體制在哪裡那今天面對這一波就是因為我們有可能要協助的關鍵就是訂單萎縮是那你如果還要在他拿訂單我就跟他說\n\n17\n00:05:39,116 --> 00:05:54,436\n所以市長我只是要跟你提醒你們要重新盤整也就是說當我們公股銀行在這一波要加入整個協助的體制當中你如果再要求訂單是第一條件那就是白搭了\n\n18\n00:05:55,277 --> 00:06:16,260\n那就是白搭了應該利用其他的條件這個再拜託次長我們會在那個跟公股事業這些融資座談的時候金融座談時我們會提醒這個要快因為每次你們都說有啊我們有請公股銀行來協助可是每一次公股銀行要求各企業\n\n19\n00:06:17,501 --> 00:06:33,714\n要去提出的就是他的訂單也就是他未來的發展我知道了解委員的意思就是因為受到這一波關稅政策影響有這個衝擊我們是不是在這個盤點這些貸款條件的時候把這個條件納入考量不要只是唯一一個訂單\n\n20\n00:06:36,135 --> 00:06:43,877\n因為如果你要求訂單那根本就不符合我們這一次紓困的一個重點嘛我們這一次是因為關稅美國關稅的調漲而造成有可能訂單的萎縮這種短期緊急的狀況人家說的現在是急進性嘛那我們在急診室我們就是要用一個急救的方式嘛\n\n21\n00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:11,001\n那你如果再要求像過去的條件那就白搭了啊其實各位報告我們這次在那個金融知識方面我們也有提到就是說如果是中小企業或主管機關認定受到這次衝擊較大的其實我們就會做利率的減少\n\n22\n00:07:12,944 --> 00:07:26,471\n次長這個很重要請你要跟大家講而且不是只有跟我們講也不是跟社會大眾講你要跟公股銀行講省核端是他們啊他們的關鍵他們要願意放才有效啊這個次長再麻煩再來我們請我們農業部部長\n\n23\n00:07:37,691 --> 00:07:57,984\n部長我一樣在用這個圖啦昨天我有用這個圖跟我們經濟部做過討論這個圖今天增加了一個叫延後90天實行這個當時候也就是我昨天一直在講的我們有一個談判期這個談判期多久不知道談判期越長當然\n\n24\n00:07:59,625 --> 00:08:22,876\n如果我們在關稅豁免可以更長的話那更好嘛也就是說不用用這個所謂32%那可是重點來了我們還是要因應啊因為包括蝴蝶蘭、茶葉、毛豆五國魚、鬼頭刀跟鱸魚這個我們台灣這個出口到美國的還是有它一定的數額嘛雖然\n\n25\n00:08:25,461 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00:11:12,322\n我們是趕時間在曬炮我知道我們一定要搶得先機一個月好不好我們盡快把這個東西把它完成一個月把這個部分怎麼去協助他們因為我們台廠剛好有基地在那裡那如果是這樣子的話其實是最適當的只是差在我們的廠商有沒有能力這個能力誰要來協助這個部分我們在一個月之內包括怎麼樣組成一個聯盟這個東西是要打聯盟的一個團體戰一定要打聯盟\n\n32\n00:11:13,422 --> 00:11:27,581\n打個人沒有用一定要打聯盟啊因為你台糖基地我們聯盟進去才有辦法去撐起讓大家看到整個我們蝴蝶蘭的市場我們的蘭花市場是可以有另外一個基地在美國\n\n33\n00:11:28,482 --> 00:11:43,627\n那這個基地剛好我們台糖跟我們的聯盟結合我相信兩邊美國我們台南的這個花卉未來的花卉產業基地那我要拜託部長因為這個4月7號你沒辦法下去嗎因為你在處理這個關稅的問題那跟你報告讓你可以接上就是說花卉產業園區對我們台南太重要那\n\n34\n00:11:54,651 --> 00:12:18,067\n我們當時候從過去111年的掛牌一直到現在我一直追掛牌我也去到現場那當時候因為這個是集中過去因為集中是竹尾所以我們一直希望說他不只掛牌他還有量能所謂量能就是預算跟人力好不容易我們原本預計說農業部升格之後那麼\n\n35\n00:12:18,968 --> 00:12:40,314\n他的整個組織變質就可以加進去變成三級可是沒有辦法他容納不進去所以最後我們用花卉試驗所去做結合變成四級那一個月因為那天邀請人事人事處去處理一個月一個月希望能夠把這個事情行政院都何總會會追\n\n36\n00:12:41,474 --> 00:13:06,876\n一個月因為委員的支持因為你如果沒有先把編制處理好你的整個計畫是沒辦法核定的你計畫核定之後所以我們當下也說了5月份我們希望能夠做所謂的環評的預先委託的招標案還有我們的開發計畫同步當我們編制過了之後那麼\n\n37\n00:13:08,154 --> 00:13:35,686\n整個計畫核准他們就可以處理了無縫接軌所以部長這個部分很重要因為當天你沒有去所以我把這個結論跟您報告那麼還有另外一個部分就是說在我們芒果的部分本來4月9號他已經有召開專家會議但是呢因為還有一些細節那我也尊重啦所以4月15號還要再召開一次其實我告訴你整個都收回去了啦\n\n38\n00:13:36,606 --> 00:13:45,934\n而且每一個果都是空泡蛋那一看其實都知道了這一次的天氣實在是太恐怖了我有現場我也去看過因為我告訴你那個冷熱沒這麼久的啦兩米高兩米弱拖這麼久的時間那個冷就受不了更何況是天氣所有的在第一線種植的農民都說將來不要看過這個情形那我們也看過酪梨所以其實酪梨因為有炸\n\n39\n00:14:06,809 --> 00:14:23,676\n早出早生還有中生跟晚生所以你們說可能要拉一點時間這個我接受因為每一個狀態不一樣可是芒果真的不同這一次是完全全軍覆沒所以4月15號拜託不要再拖了這個部分再拜託那還有18間農會的部分我們當年已經都配對好了\n\n40\n00:14:27,778 --> 00:14:32,680\n誰處理誰誰處理誰都配對好了我們經濟委員會謝謝我們蔡義渝召委給我們這個機會然後由立法院的經濟委員會去給18家農會都做了配對就是說什麼農會找哪一個單位哪一個農會找哪一個單位都配對好了\n\n41\n00:14:44,005 --> 00:14:55,736\n我們希望可以大家照這樣的程序下去進行那把農業不論是現在面對的國際競爭或是我們國內我們都可以給農民有安心謝謝部長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4732\t6579\t謝謝主席 我們是先請經濟部部長來 請郭部長\n15905\t33616\t我想昨天已經就一些題目跟你討論了但是我想今天的一個新的狀況就是川普發文說對於我們有75個國家其實已經有做了比較善意的一些談判的需求所以針對這75個國家我們就是這個關稅10%那這10%我相信\n41140\t69386\t對於台灣稍稍有緩了一下可是這久時間就像我說講的我們在這談判期這當中還是會有一些衝擊面就像我們說的這衝擊面我們的馬上辦可以給予多少的協助就像剛剛講的不裁員不減薪不能趁火打劫這才是重要不能說明明沒有影響然後因為\n71114\t88402\t這樣的一個理由而造成我們另外一個傷害我們自己企業體的傷害所以我覺得這個部分我們自己要把持住然後呢在我們針對這個談判當中我們很清楚從川普的發文大概他的目標就是中國啦\n89468\t118968\t包括我們過去一直在揣測的說他就是要把中國的一個真面目把它挑出來也就是當在選舉的時候他不斷的就已經在談到關稅然後呢很多這個中國的企業就是用一個所謂的不同的一個角度去做了息產地的一個調整所以跑到東南亞跑到一些他們比較友好的國家而造成了\n120048\t146938\t美國川普做了一些要做中國制裁的動作包括針對周邊的稀產地那台灣是沒有的所以我真的希望我們台灣反而可以在這個所謂的一個經濟狀況的一個改變我們如何讓我們的廠商可以回流讓我們的一個製造可以在這裡\n148258\t166673\t這才是重點所以我們現在有兩個區塊喔部長除了我們要面對美國的這個關稅另外一個部分是我們要怎麼讓我們自己的體制更好讓我們在中國的一些廠商可以回流台商回流\n167493\t178660\t這也是最重要的關鍵所以部長麻煩你這個部分再拜託把一些策略政策要做好比較詳細的討論兩個方向一個是怎麼應付未來的談判\n184761\t199572\t我們的關稅要怎麼處理第二就是我們要怎麼讓在美國對於中國產業制裁的當中我們要怎麼讓台商回流拜託那我們請財政部好 請理事長\n207609\t229721\t市長現在我想你也知道每次我們說我們要紓困我們的公股銀行要來協助可是你知道嗎每一次這個帽子開得很高可是做出來的並不是如此因為很重要的一個關節就是訂單\n231169\t238004\t是了解很多我們的銀行端他都會說你有訂單我才要給你廢話這個狀態完全不同\n242516\t267157\t這個狀態現在我們所面臨的是因為我們可能美國關稅的調整而造成訂單的縮減雖然我們現在積極努力要去做一些協調溝通可是當我們銀行端在做一些他的核准條件他都會先看你的背後未來的體制\n268178\t272782\t那跟我們這一次就完全不同啊市長有沒有什麼樣在針對這一波的狀態當中有做什麼調整\n278142\t298135\t報告委員 因為銀行在做融資貸款的時候 他們還是會有風險考量風險考量才是現在壓死大家的重點但是目前有我們中好企業銀行跟八大公關一起協助合作\n298815\t323258\t以自由資金來做的這個融資貸款他其實他主要就是希望能夠提供給這個企業做這個營運所需的周轉性的支出或者是說他要擴建廠房機器設備我都知道這些可是我們來自基層我們聽到很多企業跟我們投訴說每次我們去申請總是第一個條件是你的訂單在哪裡\n324139\t336760\t你的背後體制在哪裡那今天面對這一波就是因為我們有可能要協助的關鍵就是訂單萎縮是那你如果還要在他拿訂單我就跟他說\n339116\t354436\t所以市長我只是要跟你提醒你們要重新盤整也就是說當我們公股銀行在這一波要加入整個協助的體制當中你如果再要求訂單是第一條件那就是白搭了\n355277\t376260\t那就是白搭了應該利用其他的條件這個再拜託次長我們會在那個跟公股事業這些融資座談的時候金融座談時我們會提醒這個要快因為每次你們都說有啊我們有請公股銀行來協助可是每一次公股銀行要求各企業\n377501\t393714\t要去提出的就是他的訂單也就是他未來的發展我知道了解委員的意思就是因為受到這一波關稅政策影響有這個衝擊我們是不是在這個盤點這些貸款條件的時候把這個條件納入考量不要只是唯一一個訂單\n396135\t403877\t因為如果你要求訂單 那根本就不符合我們這一次紓困的一個重點嘛我們這一次是因為關稅 美國關稅的調漲而造成有可能訂單的萎縮這種短期緊急的狀況 人家說的現在是急進性嘛那我們在急診室我們就是要用一個急救的方式嘛\n417600\t431001\t那你如果再要求像過去的條件那就白搭了啊其實各位報告我們這次在那個金融知識方面我們也有提到就是說如果是中小企業或主管機關認定受到這次衝擊較大的其實我們就會做利率的減少\n432944\t446471\t次長這個很重要請你要跟大家講而且不是只有跟我們講也不是跟社會大眾講你要跟公股銀行講省核端是他們啊他們的關鍵他們要願意放才有效啊這個次長再麻煩再來我們請我們農業部部長\n457691\t477984\t部長我一樣在用這個圖啦昨天我有用這個圖跟我們經濟部做過討論這個圖今天增加了一個叫延後90天實行這個當時候也就是我昨天一直在講的我們有一個談判期這個談判期多久不知道談判期越長當然\n479625\t502876\t如果我們在關稅豁免可以更長的話那更好嘛也就是說不用用這個所謂32%那可是重點來了我們還是要因應啊因為包括蝴蝶蘭、茶葉、毛豆五國魚、鬼頭刀跟鱸魚這個我們台灣這個出口到美國的還是有它一定的數額嘛雖然\n505461\t529454\t最大的這個競爭對手都是中國這一次他們被要求了125%的一個關稅所以我們現在是要怎麼把這些市場能夠吸收這也是我們另外一個取款除了我們來協助這些廠商不要受到影響訂單不受到影響另外一個部分是我們要\n530194\t557113\t把中國的一個區塊他們原本佔有的市場這個競爭力把它拿回來對不對因為我相信我們的條件還有我們的品質各方面絕對是好太多比起其他國家所以我們更利用也就是我們的一個轉型在整個國際間這個市場的一個大盤整的時候我們要怎麼去搶\n558534\t573409\t這也是另外一個轉機啊怎麼去搶部長你有沒有好的方向怎麼去搶我就舉齁就是委員也非常關心在台南非常重要的一個產業就是蝴蝶燃產業你昨天有下去做交流\n576414\t599228\t其實中國關稅提高雖然說我們的競爭對手國是荷蘭但是我們有非常好的供應鏈接力生產的系統他們提出來一個就是要擴大在美國的接力廠的一個投資讓我們的產業能夠更有機會去搶食其他中國沒辦法進來的這些產品所以這個部分我想我已經成立了一個蝴蝶蘭的應變小組\n600709\t609717\t去針對比較中期的我們必須要去協助廠商去做在美國投資或是在台灣更紮根的這些計畫我想我們已經在做盤點希望能夠去多久這個盤點多久這個盤點我想欸時機咧我知道部長你知道時機比什麼都重要我們已經請業者針對你在美國的這些\n623129\t642629\t藍園本身有沒有機會跟台塘合作這個在一個月之內他們就會有一個整理因為有台塘基地在那裡啊對所以我們後續當有了以後我們就會協助說他在國外的資金怎麼取得後續我們會跟財政部這邊還有其他的銀行的部分看有沒有辦法去協助部長我希望因為\n643630\t672322\t我們是趕時間在曬炮我知道我們一定要搶得先機一個月好不好我們盡快把這個東西把它完成一個月把這個部分怎麼去協助他們因為我們台廠剛好有基地在那裡那如果是這樣子的話其實是最適當的只是差在我們的廠商有沒有能力這個能力誰要來協助這個部分我們在一個月之內包括怎麼樣組成一個聯盟這個東西是要打聯盟的一個團體戰一定要打聯盟\n673422\t687581\t打個人沒有用一定要打聯盟啊因為你台糖基地我們聯盟進去才有辦法去撐起讓大家看到整個我們蝴蝶蘭的市場我們的蘭花市場是可以有另外一個基地在美國\n688482\t703627\t那這個基地剛好我們台糖跟我們的聯盟結合我相信兩邊美國我們台南的這個花卉未來的花卉產業基地那我要拜託部長因為這個4月7號你沒辦法下去嗎因為你在處理這個關稅的問題那跟你報告讓你可以接上就是說花卉產業園區對我們台南太重要那\n714651\t738067\t我們當時候從過去111年的掛牌一直到現在我一直追掛牌我也去到現場那當時候因為這個是集中過去因為集中是竹尾所以我們一直希望說他不只掛牌他還有量能所謂量能就是預算跟人力好不容易我們原本預計說農業部升格之後那麼\n738968\t760314\t他的整個組織變質就可以加進去變成三級可是沒有辦法他容納不進去所以最後我們用花卉試驗所去做結合變成四級那一個月因為那天邀請人事人事處去處理一個月一個月希望能夠把這個事情行政院都何總會會追\n761474\t786876\t一個月因為委員的支持因為你如果沒有先把編制處理好你的整個計畫是沒辦法核定的你計畫核定之後所以我們當下也說了5月份我們希望能夠做所謂的環評的預先委託的招標案還有我們的開發計畫同步當我們編制過了之後那麼\n788154\t815686\t整個計畫核准他們就可以處理了無縫接軌所以部長這個部分很重要因為當天你沒有去所以我把這個結論跟您報告那麼還有另外一個部分就是說在我們芒果的部分本來4月9號他已經有召開專家會議但是呢因為還有一些細節那我也尊重啦所以4月15號還要再召開一次其實我告訴你整個都收回去了啦\n816606\t825934\t而且每一個果都是空泡蛋那一看其實都知道了這一次的天氣實在是太恐怖了我有現場我也去看過因為我告訴你那個冷熱沒這麼久的啦兩米高兩米弱拖這麼久的時間那個冷就受不了更何況是天氣所有的在第一線種植的農民都說將來不要看過這個情形那我們也看過酪梨所以其實酪梨因為有炸\n846809\t863676\t早出早生還有中生跟晚生所以你們說可能要拉一點時間這個我接受因為每一個狀態不一樣可是芒果真的不同這一次是完全全軍覆沒所以4月15號拜託不要再拖了這個部分再拜託那還有18間農會的部分我們當年已經都配對好了\n867778\t872680\t誰處理誰 誰處理誰都配對好了我們經濟委員會謝謝我們蔡義渝召委給我們這個機會然後由立法院的經濟委員會去給18家農會都做了配對就是說什麼農會找哪一個單位哪一個農會找哪一個單位都配對好了\n884005\t895736\t我們希望可以大家照這樣的程序下去進行那把農業不論是現在面對的國際競爭或是我們國內我們都可以給農民有安心謝謝部長\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們是先請經濟部部長來 請郭部長\n我想昨天已經就一些題目跟你討論了但是我想今天的一個新的狀況就是川普發文說對於我們有75個國家其實已經有做了比較善意的一些談判的需求所以針對這75個國家我們就是這個關稅10%那這10%我相信\n對於台灣稍稍有緩了一下可是這久時間就像我說講的我們在這談判期這當中還是會有一些衝擊面就像我們說的這衝擊面我們的馬上辦可以給予多少的協助就像剛剛講的不裁員不減薪不能趁火打劫這才是重要不能說明明沒有影響然後因為\n這樣的一個理由而造成我們另外一個傷害我們自己企業體的傷害所以我覺得這個部分我們自己要把持住然後呢在我們針對這個談判當中我們很清楚從川普的發文大概他的目標就是中國啦\n包括我們過去一直在揣測的說他就是要把中國的一個真面目把它挑出來也就是當在選舉的時候他不斷的就已經在談到關稅然後呢很多這個中國的企業就是用一個所謂的不同的一個角度去做了息產地的一個調整所以跑到東南亞跑到一些他們比較友好的國家而造成了\n美國川普做了一些要做中國制裁的動作包括針對周邊的稀產地那台灣是沒有的所以我真的希望我們台灣反而可以在這個所謂的一個經濟狀況的一個改變我們如何讓我們的廠商可以回流讓我們的一個製造可以在這裡\n這才是重點所以我們現在有兩個區塊喔部長除了我們要面對美國的這個關稅另外一個部分是我們要怎麼讓我們自己的體制更好讓我們在中國的一些廠商可以回流台商回流\n這也是最重要的關鍵所以部長麻煩你這個部分再拜託把一些策略政策要做好比較詳細的討論兩個方向一個是怎麼應付未來的談判\n我們的關稅要怎麼處理第二就是我們要怎麼讓在美國對於中國產業制裁的當中我們要怎麼讓台商回流拜託那我們請財政部好 請理事長\n市長現在我想你也知道每次我們說我們要紓困我們的公股銀行要來協助可是你知道嗎每一次這個帽子開得很高可是做出來的並不是如此因為很重要的一個關節就是訂單\n是了解很多我們的銀行端他都會說你有訂單我才要給你廢話這個狀態完全不同\n這個狀態現在我們所面臨的是因為我們可能美國關稅的調整而造成訂單的縮減雖然我們現在積極努力要去做一些協調溝通可是當我們銀行端在做一些他的核准條件他都會先看你的背後未來的體制\n那跟我們這一次就完全不同啊市長有沒有什麼樣在針對這一波的狀態當中有做什麼調整\n報告委員 因為銀行在做融資貸款的時候 他們還是會有風險考量風險考量才是現在壓死大家的重點但是目前有我們中好企業銀行跟八大公關一起協助合作\n以自由資金來做的這個融資貸款他其實他主要就是希望能夠提供給這個企業做這個營運所需的周轉性的支出或者是說他要擴建廠房機器設備我都知道這些可是我們來自基層我們聽到很多企業跟我們投訴說每次我們去申請總是第一個條件是你的訂單在哪裡\n你的背後體制在哪裡那今天面對這一波就是因為我們有可能要協助的關鍵就是訂單萎縮是那你如果還要在他拿訂單我就跟他說\n所以市長我只是要跟你提醒你們要重新盤整也就是說當我們公股銀行在這一波要加入整個協助的體制當中你如果再要求訂單是第一條件那就是白搭了\n那就是白搭了應該利用其他的條件這個再拜託次長我們會在那個跟公股事業這些融資座談的時候金融座談時我們會提醒這個要快因為每次你們都說有啊我們有請公股銀行來協助可是每一次公股銀行要求各企業\n要去提出的就是他的訂單也就是他未來的發展我知道了解委員的意思就是因為受到這一波關稅政策影響有這個衝擊我們是不是在這個盤點這些貸款條件的時候把這個條件納入考量不要只是唯一一個訂單\n因為如果你要求訂單 那根本就不符合我們這一次紓困的一個重點嘛我們這一次是因為關稅 美國關稅的調漲而造成有可能訂單的萎縮這種短期緊急的狀況 人家說的現在是急進性嘛那我們在急診室我們就是要用一個急救的方式嘛\n那你如果再要求像過去的條件那就白搭了啊其實各位報告我們這次在那個金融知識方面我們也有提到就是說如果是中小企業或主管機關認定受到這次衝擊較大的其實我們就會做利率的減少\n次長這個很重要請你要跟大家講而且不是只有跟我們講也不是跟社會大眾講你要跟公股銀行講省核端是他們啊他們的關鍵他們要願意放才有效啊這個次長再麻煩再來我們請我們農業部部長\n部長我一樣在用這個圖啦昨天我有用這個圖跟我們經濟部做過討論這個圖今天增加了一個叫延後90天實行這個當時候也就是我昨天一直在講的我們有一個談判期這個談判期多久不知道談判期越長當然\n如果我們在關稅豁免可以更長的話那更好嘛也就是說不用用這個所謂32%那可是重點來了我們還是要因應啊因為包括蝴蝶蘭、茶葉、毛豆五國魚、鬼頭刀跟鱸魚這個我們台灣這個出口到美國的還是有它一定的數額嘛雖然\n最大的這個競爭對手都是中國這一次他們被要求了125%的一個關稅所以我們現在是要怎麼把這些市場能夠吸收這也是我們另外一個取款除了我們來協助這些廠商不要受到影響訂單不受到影響另外一個部分是我們要\n把中國的一個區塊他們原本佔有的市場這個競爭力把它拿回來對不對因為我相信我們的條件還有我們的品質各方面絕對是好太多比起其他國家所以我們更利用也就是我們的一個轉型在整個國際間這個市場的一個大盤整的時候我們要怎麼去搶\n這也是另外一個轉機啊怎麼去搶部長你有沒有好的方向怎麼去搶我就舉齁就是委員也非常關心在台南非常重要的一個產業就是蝴蝶燃產業你昨天有下去做交流\n其實中國關稅提高雖然說我們的競爭對手國是荷蘭但是我們有非常好的供應鏈接力生產的系統他們提出來一個就是要擴大在美國的接力廠的一個投資讓我們的產業能夠更有機會去搶食其他中國沒辦法進來的這些產品所以這個部分我想我已經成立了一個蝴蝶蘭的應變小組\n去針對比較中期的我們必須要去協助廠商去做在美國投資或是在台灣更紮根的這些計畫我想我們已經在做盤點希望能夠去多久這個盤點多久這個盤點我想欸時機咧我知道部長你知道時機比什麼都重要我們已經請業者針對你在美國的這些\n藍園本身有沒有機會跟台塘合作這個在一個月之內他們就會有一個整理因為有台塘基地在那裡啊對所以我們後續當有了以後我們就會協助說他在國外的資金怎麼取得後續我們會跟財政部這邊還有其他的銀行的部分看有沒有辦法去協助部長我希望因為\n我們是趕時間在曬炮我知道我們一定要搶得先機一個月好不好我們盡快把這個東西把它完成一個月把這個部分怎麼去協助他們因為我們台廠剛好有基地在那裡那如果是這樣子的話其實是最適當的只是差在我們的廠商有沒有能力這個能力誰要來協助這個部分我們在一個月之內包括怎麼樣組成一個聯盟這個東西是要打聯盟的一個團體戰一定要打聯盟\n打個人沒有用一定要打聯盟啊因為你台糖基地我們聯盟進去才有辦法去撐起讓大家看到整個我們蝴蝶蘭的市場我們的蘭花市場是可以有另外一個基地在美國\n那這個基地剛好我們台糖跟我們的聯盟結合我相信兩邊美國我們台南的這個花卉未來的花卉產業基地那我要拜託部長因為這個4月7號你沒辦法下去嗎因為你在處理這個關稅的問題那跟你報告讓你可以接上就是說花卉產業園區對我們台南太重要那\n我們當時候從過去111年的掛牌一直到現在我一直追掛牌我也去到現場那當時候因為這個是集中過去因為集中是竹尾所以我們一直希望說他不只掛牌他還有量能所謂量能就是預算跟人力好不容易我們原本預計說農業部升格之後那麼\n他的整個組織變質就可以加進去變成三級可是沒有辦法他容納不進去所以最後我們用花卉試驗所去做結合變成四級那一個月因為那天邀請人事人事處去處理一個月一個月希望能夠把這個事情行政院都何總會會追\n一個月因為委員的支持因為你如果沒有先把編制處理好你的整個計畫是沒辦法核定的你計畫核定之後所以我們當下也說了5月份我們希望能夠做所謂的環評的預先委託的招標案還有我們的開發計畫同步當我們編制過了之後那麼\n整個計畫核准他們就可以處理了無縫接軌所以部長這個部分很重要因為當天你沒有去所以我把這個結論跟您報告那麼還有另外一個部分就是說在我們芒果的部分本來4月9號他已經有召開專家會議但是呢因為還有一些細節那我也尊重啦所以4月15號還要再召開一次其實我告訴你整個都收回去了啦\n而且每一個果都是空泡蛋那一看其實都知道了這一次的天氣實在是太恐怖了我有現場我也去看過因為我告訴你那個冷熱沒這麼久的啦兩米高兩米弱拖這麼久的時間那個冷就受不了更何況是天氣所有的在第一線種植的農民都說將來不要看過這個情形那我們也看過酪梨所以其實酪梨因為有炸\n早出早生還有中生跟晚生所以你們說可能要拉一點時間這個我接受因為每一個狀態不一樣可是芒果真的不同這一次是完全全軍覆沒所以4月15號拜託不要再拖了這個部分再拜託那還有18間農會的部分我們當年已經都配對好了\n誰處理誰 誰處理誰都配對好了我們經濟委員會謝謝我們蔡義渝召委給我們這個機會然後由立法院的經濟委員會去給18家農會都做了配對就是說什麼農會找哪一個單位哪一個農會找哪一個單位都配對好了\n我們希望可以大家照這樣的程序下去進行那把農業不論是現在面對的國際競爭或是我們國內我們都可以給農民有安心謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.732 --> 00:06.579\n謝謝主席我們是先請經濟部部長來請郭部長\n\n00:15.905 --> 00:33.616\n我想昨天已經就一些題目跟你討論了但是我想今天的一個新的狀況就是川普發文說對於我們有75個國家其實已經有做了比較善意的一些談判的需求所以針對這75個國家我們就是這個關稅10%那這10%我相信\n\n00:41.140 --> 01:09.386\n對於台灣稍稍有緩了一下可是這久時間就像我說講的我們在這談判期這當中還是會有一些衝擊面就像我們說的這衝擊面我們的馬上辦可以給予多少的協助就像剛剛講的不裁員不減薪不能趁火打劫這才是重要不能說明明沒有影響然後因為\n\n01:11.114 --> 01:28.402\n這樣的一個理由而造成我們另外一個傷害我們自己企業體的傷害所以我覺得這個部分我們自己要把持住然後呢在我們針對這個談判當中我們很清楚從川普的發文大概他的目標就是中國啦\n\n01:29.468 --> 01:58.968\n包括我們過去一直在揣測的說他就是要把中國的一個真面目把它挑出來也就是當在選舉的時候他不斷的就已經在談到關稅然後呢很多這個中國的企業就是用一個所謂的不同的一個角度去做了息產地的一個調整所以跑到東南亞跑到一些他們比較友好的國家而造成了\n\n02:00.048 --> 02:26.938\n美國川普做了一些要做中國制裁的動作包括針對周邊的稀產地那台灣是沒有的所以我真的希望我們台灣反而可以在這個所謂的一個經濟狀況的一個改變我們如何讓我們的廠商可以回流讓我們的一個製造可以在這裡\n\n02:28.258 --> 02:46.673\n這才是重點所以我們現在有兩個區塊喔部長除了我們要面對美國的這個關稅另外一個部分是我們要怎麼讓我們自己的體制更好讓我們在中國的一些廠商可以回流台商回流\n\n02:47.493 --> 02:58.660\n這也是最重要的關鍵所以部長麻煩你這個部分再拜託把一些策略政策要做好比較詳細的討論兩個方向一個是怎麼應付未來的談判\n\n03:04.761 --> 03:19.572\n我們的關稅要怎麼處理第二就是我們要怎麼讓在美國對於中國產業制裁的當中我們要怎麼讓台商回流拜託那我們請財政部好請理事長\n\n03:27.609 --> 03:49.721\n市長現在我想你也知道每次我們說我們要紓困我們的公股銀行要來協助可是你知道嗎每一次這個帽子開得很高可是做出來的並不是如此因為很重要的一個關節就是訂單\n\n03:51.169 --> 03:58.004\n是了解很多我們的銀行端他都會說你有訂單我才要給你廢話這個狀態完全不同\n\n04:02.516 --> 04:27.157\n這個狀態現在我們所面臨的是因為我們可能美國關稅的調整而造成訂單的縮減雖然我們現在積極努力要去做一些協調溝通可是當我們銀行端在做一些他的核准條件他都會先看你的背後未來的體制\n\n04:28.178 --> 04:32.782\n那跟我們這一次就完全不同啊市長有沒有什麼樣在針對這一波的狀態當中有做什麼調整\n\n04:38.142 --> 04:58.135\n報告委員因為銀行在做融資貸款的時候他們還是會有風險考量風險考量才是現在壓死大家的重點但是目前有我們中好企業銀行跟八大公關一起協助合作\n\n04:58.815 --> 05:23.258\n以自由資金來做的這個融資貸款他其實他主要就是希望能夠提供給這個企業做這個營運所需的周轉性的支出或者是說他要擴建廠房機器設備我都知道這些可是我們來自基層我們聽到很多企業跟我們投訴說每次我們去申請總是第一個條件是你的訂單在哪裡\n\n05:24.139 --> 05:36.760\n你的背後體制在哪裡那今天面對這一波就是因為我們有可能要協助的關鍵就是訂單萎縮是那你如果還要在他拿訂單我就跟他說\n\n05:39.116 --> 05:54.436\n所以市長我只是要跟你提醒你們要重新盤整也就是說當我們公股銀行在這一波要加入整個協助的體制當中你如果再要求訂單是第一條件那就是白搭了\n\n05:55.277 --> 06:16.260\n那就是白搭了應該利用其他的條件這個再拜託次長我們會在那個跟公股事業這些融資座談的時候金融座談時我們會提醒這個要快因為每次你們都說有啊我們有請公股銀行來協助可是每一次公股銀行要求各企業\n\n06:17.501 --> 06:33.714\n要去提出的就是他的訂單也就是他未來的發展我知道了解委員的意思就是因為受到這一波關稅政策影響有這個衝擊我們是不是在這個盤點這些貸款條件的時候把這個條件納入考量不要只是唯一一個訂單\n\n06:36.135 --> 06:43.877\n因為如果你要求訂單那根本就不符合我們這一次紓困的一個重點嘛我們這一次是因為關稅美國關稅的調漲而造成有可能訂單的萎縮這種短期緊急的狀況人家說的現在是急進性嘛那我們在急診室我們就是要用一個急救的方式嘛\n\n06:57.600 --> 07:11.001\n那你如果再要求像過去的條件那就白搭了啊其實各位報告我們這次在那個金融知識方面我們也有提到就是說如果是中小企業或主管機關認定受到這次衝擊較大的其實我們就會做利率的減少\n\n07:12.944 --> 07:26.471\n次長這個很重要請你要跟大家講而且不是只有跟我們講也不是跟社會大眾講你要跟公股銀行講省核端是他們啊他們的關鍵他們要願意放才有效啊這個次長再麻煩再來我們請我們農業部部長\n\n07:37.691 --> 07:57.984\n部長我一樣在用這個圖啦昨天我有用這個圖跟我們經濟部做過討論這個圖今天增加了一個叫延後90天實行這個當時候也就是我昨天一直在講的我們有一個談判期這個談判期多久不知道談判期越長當然\n\n07:59.625 --> 08:22.876\n如果我們在關稅豁免可以更長的話那更好嘛也就是說不用用這個所謂32%那可是重點來了我們還是要因應啊因為包括蝴蝶蘭、茶葉、毛豆五國魚、鬼頭刀跟鱸魚這個我們台灣這個出口到美國的還是有它一定的數額嘛雖然\n\n08:25.461 --> 08:49.454\n最大的這個競爭對手都是中國這一次他們被要求了125%的一個關稅所以我們現在是要怎麼把這些市場能夠吸收這也是我們另外一個取款除了我們來協助這些廠商不要受到影響訂單不受到影響另外一個部分是我們要\n\n08:50.194 --> 09:17.113\n把中國的一個區塊他們原本佔有的市場這個競爭力把它拿回來對不對因為我相信我們的條件還有我們的品質各方面絕對是好太多比起其他國家所以我們更利用也就是我們的一個轉型在整個國際間這個市場的一個大盤整的時候我們要怎麼去搶\n\n09:18.534 --> 09:33.409\n這也是另外一個轉機啊怎麼去搶部長你有沒有好的方向怎麼去搶我就舉齁就是委員也非常關心在台南非常重要的一個產業就是蝴蝶燃產業你昨天有下去做交流\n\n09:36.414 --> 09:59.228\n其實中國關稅提高雖然說我們的競爭對手國是荷蘭但是我們有非常好的供應鏈接力生產的系統他們提出來一個就是要擴大在美國的接力廠的一個投資讓我們的產業能夠更有機會去搶食其他中國沒辦法進來的這些產品所以這個部分我想我已經成立了一個蝴蝶蘭的應變小組\n\n10:00.709 --> 10:09.717\n去針對比較中期的我們必須要去協助廠商去做在美國投資或是在台灣更紮根的這些計畫我想我們已經在做盤點希望能夠去多久這個盤點多久這個盤點我想欸時機咧我知道部長你知道時機比什麼都重要我們已經請業者針對你在美國的這些\n\n10:23.129 --> 10:42.629\n藍園本身有沒有機會跟台塘合作這個在一個月之內他們就會有一個整理因為有台塘基地在那裡啊對所以我們後續當有了以後我們就會協助說他在國外的資金怎麼取得後續我們會跟財政部這邊還有其他的銀行的部分看有沒有辦法去協助部長我希望因為\n\n10:43.630 --> 11:12.322\n我們是趕時間在曬炮我知道我們一定要搶得先機一個月好不好我們盡快把這個東西把它完成一個月把這個部分怎麼去協助他們因為我們台廠剛好有基地在那裡那如果是這樣子的話其實是最適當的只是差在我們的廠商有沒有能力這個能力誰要來協助這個部分我們在一個月之內包括怎麼樣組成一個聯盟這個東西是要打聯盟的一個團體戰一定要打聯盟\n\n11:13.422 --> 11:27.581\n打個人沒有用一定要打聯盟啊因為你台糖基地我們聯盟進去才有辦法去撐起讓大家看到整個我們蝴蝶蘭的市場我們的蘭花市場是可以有另外一個基地在美國\n\n11:28.482 --> 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