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00:03:03,306\n有沒有報告委員這個部分我不清楚不過我可以回去馬上了解你趕快清查經濟部是否同意為向地方縣市政府申請的狀況之下就召開說明會這種方式這種強行的硬幹的手段令人不慈所以本席要求經濟部要徹查徹查到底\n\n9\n00:03:04,446 --> 00:03:27,066\n到底他們現在是個人行為還是已經有在某種默契跟你們的經濟部裡面有合備然後讓他們為所欲為在台東開說明會而且並沒有讓部落的人接受要在台東開立風電這是非常嚴重過去裡面我們可以追溯\n\n10\n00:03:27,984 --> 00:03:45,397\n我們過去在2008年桃園新屋鄉首先發難2011年北海岸山之鄉也爆發怒火在2012年英華威公司在苗栗\n\n11\n00:03:48,513 --> 00:04:16,322\n苗栗也是進行了強行的動工所以造成了一個反風電的一個風暴所以這個部分你一定要記得記得要查查到底他們是為什麼為什麼還在那個地方而且媒體都有報導說要將在台東東海要設立風電那我想請教如果是這樣的話如果是這樣的話\n\n12\n00:04:20,647 --> 00:04:49,682\n東海岸成功泰瑪麗大舞就是天賦造舞的藝術創作那例如政府不傾聽民意以其閒挨勒馬強行硬幹的話本席將號召台東上萬的鄉親上北北上總統府行政院包含經濟部進行史上最大的抗爭你不要不信今天\n\n13\n00:04:50,302 --> 00:05:18,809\n你要經過部落議會如果有涉及到台東原住民的傳統領域包含海域法的話必須要經過部落會議的召開而且要進行以上三場的公聽會次長你來回應一下是謝謝委員的關心我們回去會就委員的提案我們會回去進行這個\n\n14\n00:05:20,677 --> 00:05:46,112\n討論然後也會向長官報告委員的關切我們強力的祭節的封店黃武家園以上我要提出有五大點在究竟這套封店制度背後的結構性問題為何本席提出五大五大的問題請政府重視的民意第一缺乏公眾\n\n15\n00:05:47,893 --> 00:05:50,874\n公眾參與機制應從選址階段就廣增意見第二用補償換開發人權被漠視應將居民權益納入審查程序\n\n16\n00:06:03,188 --> 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漁民以及當地民眾的權益所以\n410552\t438800\t第一個業者應該要先從地方政府申請若地方同意申請後會再送中央審查核備那業者動工前必須先辦理說明會二選址限制若是政府公告之生態敏感區域那絕對禁止設置那我的建議是如果業者向地方政府申請地方政府應該要求業者\n440440\t457768\t舉辦三場的宮廷會所以這是非常非常嚴重而且破壞了整個東海岸的大自然今天我們核能電廠不辦光電就造害了公害台南嘉義就是一個例子\n458368\t473984\t那現在要想到我們台東東海岸裡面想要動這個頭腦我們絕對拒絕而且我們絕對會責成所有東海岸的鄉親來上北上來抗議\n476426\t494917\t市長你要特別把我的話重視告訴給部長絕對不能夠強行硬幹這個事情好不好報告委員因為這個台東縣政府是地方電業的主管機關所以我們應該要地方政府先行的來同意同意之後呢你們要查查到底東風\n496819\t510575\t東風今天憑什麼會在那個地方說明會憑什麼是你們已經有你們有允許還是有核備還是跟縣政府有核備你們查查一下好不好是那把這個報告提出給我是好 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過去裡面我們可以追溯\n我們過去在2008年桃園新屋鄉首先發難2011年北海岸山之鄉也爆發怒火在2012年英華威公司在苗栗\n苗栗也是進行了強行的動工所以造成了一個反風電的一個風暴所以這個部分你一定要記得記得要查查到底他們是為什麼為什麼還在那個地方而且媒體都有報導說要將在台東東海要設立風電那我想請教如果是這樣的話如果是這樣的話\n東海岸成功泰瑪麗大舞就是天賦造舞的藝術創作那例如政府不傾聽民意以其閒挨勒馬強行硬幹的話本席將號召台東上萬的鄉親上北北上總統府行政院包含經濟部進行史上最大的抗爭你不要不信今天\n你要經過部落議會如果有涉及到台東原住民的傳統領域包含海域法的話必須要經過部落會議的召開而且要進行以上三場的公聽會次長你來回應一下是謝謝委員的關心我們回去會就委員的提案我們會回去進行這個\n討論然後也會向長官報告委員的關切我們強力的祭節的封店黃武家園以上我要提出有五大點在究竟這套封店制度背後的結構性問題為何本席提出五大五大的問題請政府重視的民意第一缺乏公眾\n公眾參與機制應從選址階段就廣增意見第二用補償換開發人權被漠視應將居民權益納入審查程序\n第三 缺乏區域規劃 尊重既有使用者 落實沿海空間的規劃第四 法制基礎不完備 應制定正式法規命令第五 跨部會整合不足 權責失衡 須有更高的統籌單位\n以上在這個部分本席強調政府應制定計劃逐步邁向非核家營而不是在時勢急急忙忙用盡一切的手段讓我們的鹽田 漁溫 濕地 海岸遭到難以恢復的破壞所以更犧牲了鄉村 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