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00:02:50,275\n好那謝謝委員的提問那有關美規汽車的這個一些限制的這個部分我想這個是交通部的這個權責那我想我們也會注意到這樣的一個現象那因為談判我們\n\n10\n00:02:52,061 --> 00:03:10,173\n國家會有一個整體的策略所以我們也不在這裡講得太細畢竟我們還是要留一些談判的籌碼在手上市長這問題我聽起來你沒辦法回答你沒辦法回答這個權責就是說對美國汽車數量的限制這個部分\n\n11\n00:03:15,776 --> 00:03:40,704\n不是我們要犯關稅的問題是你的選擇關稅的部分當然我們是希望就是說盡量能夠足年是不是足年能夠來調降其實市長我的問題是說因為美國現在就是要求我們這幾個產品項目他要求我們關稅他進口進來我們要降低\n\n12\n00:03:41,804 --> 00:04:08,120\n所以我們的因應措施是什麼我要問你這個問題是有沒有可能就是他要求什麼我們就接受什麼他跟你講說你的汽車關稅要降低啊要放寬美規車進口到台灣的一個關稅啊是包委員其實是委員提示的這個部分其實我們都會納入到談判的內容那容我稍微做一些保留因為這個部分確實不能在\n\n13\n00:04:09,361 --> 00:04:26,746\n講太多把我們的底線掀出來我的呼籲跟要求是希望政府的談判代表不能讓美國欲取欲求我們相關的我們國家的關稅政策我們還是要還是要遵守我們各個產業的保護再請杜市長對於我剛才講的美豬美牛的一個進口我們相關的限制規定會不會做一個放寬\n\n14\n00:04:39,170 --> 00:05:01,993\n好,謝謝委員關心,因為其實在農產品這塊,特別是在豬肉這塊,其實要求來自原產地的國家,要不要,這是對每個國家都一樣,不是只針對美國,那其實這個目的是,第一個當然是我們台灣的豬肉,或是美國來的豬肉,加拿大豬肉,或者是西班牙豬肉,讓消費者可以看到他吃到的豬肉是哪個國家,這只是讓消費者知道,沒有...\n\n15\n00:05:04,054 --> 00:05:12,817\n政府是否可能會為了談判成功未來會放寬相關的限制或修改規定我們的立場你要講清楚說明白不會啦我希望不會啦我們要保護我們的個人的健康嘛\n\n16\n00:05:21,739 --> 00:05:32,545\n甚至我剛提到的就是基改食品可進入校園這個部分跟非基改食品他們要求必須列為同一批貨號的列序\n\n17\n00:05:35,874 --> 00:05:51,207\n所以這個規定我們不可能去做修改吧你要保護我們學童的安全啊這應該是衛福部跟教育部他們在商量不是為了在談判這個都跟你們的業務相關嘛你在談判上面如果美國做這方面的要求我們應該要去堅守\n\n18\n00:05:53,048 --> 00:06:18,965\n我想所有的談判都是以台...這個我們現在的底線,而不是大家欲取欲求啦當然,保護台灣農業為最優先,是,謝謝接下來,這個我再請經濟部次長那個就是說,美國的...就是川普啊他8號在共和黨的全國委員會活動表示若是台積電如果不在美國設廠,就要開徵關稅100%所以,除了川普這個最新的談話\n\n19\n00:06:20,886 --> 00:06:40,206\n經濟部是否知悉川普是希望台積電還要再投資一千億在美國是否有要求台積電必須在未來三年內要全數移轉關鍵技術到美國經濟部你是否有完全確實的掌握台積電到美國的投資條件內容\n\n20\n00:06:42,377 --> 00:07:07,272\n跟我們報告就是台積電的這個全球的佈局應該由台積電這邊公司來跟對外來做宣佈我們政府這邊就針對他對外投資所以他的投資內容你現在一無所惜一無所惜他已經在公開的場合已經有宣佈他未來他宣佈他要去投資但是未來投資的內容難道1650億左右經濟部不用去把關嗎\n\n21\n00:07:08,652 --> 00:07:33,826\n他說要全部過去你就全部讓他過去啊跟我們報告我們有個投資省力的機制我們有個投資省力的機制當然我們會站在就是國家的產業最大利益的我想我的看法是說你們應該要做砂盤推演啦因為遇到這種關稅的問題我們即便台積電宣示說要過去美國投資要投資一千億川普還不滿意他說你要再加碼投資一千億\n\n22\n00:07:34,927 --> 00:07:59,239\n就欲取欲求啊所以政府面對這種問題當關稅大概今天有90天的一個暫停期所以我的意思是說你們是不是好好要去盤點如果萬一90天過後川普還是堅持我們台灣要被這麼高的一個對等關稅那我們台積電是否你們有考量有沙盤推演\n\n23\n00:08:00,578 --> 00:08:12,796\n可能在放行的時候他的一個未來的投審會要嚴格的把關啊而不是說他喊多少我們就給多少啊這個是不是你們應該要做沙盤推演\n\n24\n00:08:14,324 --> 00:08:18,629\n所以我是呼籲說政治經濟部對於台積電要不要放行這一個部分我們要審慎的考量來對應美國的高關稅的一個政策\n\n25\n00:08:31,744 --> 00:08:37,809\n另外我想針對這個880億的紓困預算農業部是180億經濟部是700億賴總統在4月6號也跟國人說政府已經完成盤點對美國採購農工石油跟天然氣等採購計畫也已經派員前往美國談判\n\n26\n00:08:53,863 --> 00:09:21,304\n今天我們看到報紙也寫我們林佳龍外交部的林部長他說台灣已經跟美國建立溝通管道談判機制正在與美方對接中期待很快就可以展開實質內容的談判我想請教兩位次長談判代表是否對於美國要求我們增加採購跟擴大投資照單全收\n\n27\n00:09:24,044 --> 00:09:51,014\n會這樣嗎跟委員報告我聽起來好像我們現在看到的氛圍就是普遍認為好像我們政府對於美國的他的所有的他的一個提議我們全部照單全收是跟委員報告其實我們大概有盤點一些可以對美擴大採購的一個項目那我們這些資訊也都提供給相關的這個談判的部門來對美國在談判的過程裡面當然所以政府有設下底線\n\n28\n00:09:52,799 --> 00:10:07,314\n有設下底線啦不可能說他講什麼我們就全部招攬全收啊當然這個我們在談判過程一定會有這樣的一個考量是所以你們現在到目前為止你們有什麼樣的考量啊你們的因應錯是什麼當然就是說我們\n\n29\n00:10:08,857 --> 00:10:28,898\n要符合就是要擴大對美採購的這樣的一個就是最主要是平衡的平衡貿易逆差的這個部分那我想我們大概經濟部這邊就我們所可能油氣這個部分所以對美的採購就是如果他要求我們擴大投資或者對美的相關的採購\n\n30\n00:10:30,599 --> 00:10:48,231\n經濟部也好農業部也好對於他要求我們去購買他的農產品這部分你們是不是有設定一定的一個底線嘛我的問題就是這麼簡單啊當然我們把最大貿易談判代表出去但是我們基本上我們要談什麼\n\n31\n00:10:50,250 --> 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包委員其實是委員提示的這個部分其實我們都會納入到談判的內容那容我稍微做一些保留因為這個部分確實不能在\n249361\t266746\t講太多 把我們的底線掀出來我的呼籲跟要求是希望政府的談判代表不能讓美國欲取欲求我們相關的我們國家的關稅政策我們還是要還是要遵守我們各個產業的保護再請杜市長對於我剛才講的美豬美牛的一個進口我們相關的限制規定會不會做一個放寬\n279170\t301993\t好,謝謝委員關心,因為其實在農產品這塊,特別是在豬肉這塊,其實要求來自原產地的國家,要不要,這是對每個國家都一樣,不是只針對美國,那其實這個目的是,第一個當然是我們台灣的豬肉,或是美國來的豬肉,加拿大豬肉,或者是西班牙豬肉,讓消費者可以看到他吃到的豬肉是哪個國家,這只是讓消費者知道,沒有...\n304054\t312817\t政府是否可能會為了談判成功未來會放寬相關的限制或修改規定我們的立場你要講清楚說明白不會啦我希望不會啦我們要保護我們的個人的健康嘛\n321739\t332545\t甚至我剛提到的就是基改食品可進入校園這個部分跟非基改食品他們要求必須列為同一批貨號的列序\n335874\t351207\t所以這個規定我們不可能去做修改吧你要保護我們學童的安全啊這應該是衛福部跟教育部他們在商量不是 為了在談判這個都跟你們的業務相關嘛你在談判上面如果美國做這方面的要求我們應該要去堅守\n353048\t378965\t我想所有的談判都是以台...這個我們現在的底線,而不是大家欲取欲求啦當然,保護台灣農業為最優先,是,謝謝接下來,這個我再請經濟部次長那個就是說,美國的...就是川普啊他8號在共和黨的全國委員會活動表示若是台積電如果不在美國設廠,就要開徵關稅100%所以,除了川普這個最新的談話\n380886\t400206\t經濟部是否知悉川普是希望台積電還要再投資一千億在美國是否有要求台積電必須在未來三年內要全數移轉關鍵技術到美國經濟部你是否有完全確實的掌握台積電到美國的投資條件內容\n402377\t427272\t跟我們報告就是台積電的這個全球的佈局應該由台積電這邊公司來跟對外來做宣佈我們政府這邊就針對他對外投資所以他的投資內容你現在一無所惜一無所惜他已經在公開的場合已經有宣佈他未來他宣佈他要去投資但是未來投資的內容難道1650億左右經濟部不用去把關嗎\n428652\t453826\t他說要全部過去你就全部讓他過去啊跟我們報告我們有個投資省力的機制我們有個投資省力的機制當然我們會站在就是國家的產業最大利益的我想我的看法是說你們應該要做砂盤推演啦因為遇到這種關稅的問題我們即便台積電宣示說要過去美國投資要投資一千億川普還不滿意他說你要再加碼投資一千億\n454927\t479239\t就欲取欲求啊所以政府面對這種問題當關稅大概今天有90天的一個暫停期所以我的意思是說你們是不是好好要去盤點如果萬一90天過後川普還是堅持我們台灣要被這麼高的一個對等關稅那我們台積電是否你們有考量有沙盤推演\n480578\t492796\t可能在放行的時候他的一個未來的投審會要嚴格的把關啊而不是說他喊多少我們就給多少啊這個是不是你們應該要做沙盤推演\n494324\t498629\t所以我是呼籲說政治經濟部對於台積電要不要放行這一個部分我們要審慎的考量來對應美國的高關稅的一個政策\n511744\t517809\t另外我想針對這個880億的紓困預算農業部是180億經濟部是700億賴總統在4月6號也跟國人說政府已經完成盤點對美國採購農工石油跟天然氣等採購計畫也已經派員前往美國談判\n533863\t561304\t今天我們看到報紙也寫我們林佳龍外交部的林部長他說台灣已經跟美國建立溝通管道談判機制正在與美方對接中期待很快就可以展開實質內容的談判我想請教兩位次長談判代表是否對於美國要求我們增加採購跟擴大投資照單全收\n564044\t591014\t會這樣嗎跟委員報告我聽起來好像我們現在看到的氛圍就是普遍認為好像我們政府對於美國的他的所有的他的一個提議我們全部照單全收是跟委員報告其實我們大概有盤點一些可以對美擴大採購的一個項目那我們這些資訊也都提供給相關的這個談判的部門來對美國在談判的過程裡面當然所以政府有設下底線\n592799\t607314\t有設下底線啦不可能說他講什麼我們就全部招攬全收啊當然這個我們在談判過程一定會有這樣的一個考量是所以你們現在到目前為止你們有什麼樣的考量啊你們的因應錯是什麼當然就是說我們\n608857\t628898\t要符合就是要擴大對美採購的這樣的一個就是最主要是平衡的平衡貿易逆差的這個部分那我想我們大概經濟部這邊就我們所可能油氣這個部分所以對美的採購就是如果他要求我們擴大投資或者對美的相關的採購\n630599\t648231\t經濟部也好 農業部也好對於他要求我們去購買他的農產品這部分你們是不是有設定一定的一個底線嘛我的問題就是這麼簡單啊當然我們把最大貿易談判代表出去但是我們基本上我們要談什麼\n650250\t669422\t我們自己要的底線在哪裡完全都完全毫無所惜不知道到目前都沒有任何的措施跟委員報告因為就如同我剛跟委員說明的其實談判一定有很多的情境有各種很複雜的因素那這些情境其實也不宜在我們在這裡講得太清楚\n670282\t690590\t那是不是可以給我們那個談判代表有更大的一些空間在為我們談判爭取最大的利益我想進一步責無旁貸因為這一次我們有90天的非常充裕的時間所以你們出去談判我希望能夠帶來很好的讓國人安心放心這樣的一個成果以上 謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席主席我先請我們經濟部核次長還有農業部杜次長農業部杜次長好 梁院次長\n我想今天針對川普的對等關稅我們看到一個好消息就是說他暫停90天這樣對等的關稅在這90天內都降至10%讓大家暫時鬆一口氣\n那我相信政府有更多的時間籌碼跟空間可以跟美國展開這個貿易的關稅的對等的談判所以我今天就針對未來經貿的談判我國會面對的問題來就教兩位\n那我們看到在對等關稅的實施後美國貿易代表署在4月8號接著就宣布10項不公平的貿易行為雖然我們台灣沒有名列其中但是報告中還是有點名台灣對美規車設置技術性的貿易障礙以及我們台灣要求落實豬肉\n產品的原產地標示以及對某些美牛的產品實施反鎖檢查的做法他認為這是貿易的一個障礙會影響關稅的一個政策他美國表示反對認為這是傷害性的貿易行為所以美國公布這些不公平的貿易行為是否就是在暗示如果我們要跟美國來談判對等關稅\n這些就是必須要讓我們讓步的一個地方這是第一個問題第二個對於我們美豬產地的標示對美牛的進口限制美國是要求我們要全面的解禁美國的牛肉產品\n並且與基改食品可進入校園且要跟非基改食品是列為同一個分類號列美國的這相關的一個政策是否會影響我們政府為了談判成功\n而修改我們或者放寬我們現行相關的限制或修改相關的規定此外對於美規汽車的關稅部分是否也會往下調整那麼依序先請經濟部何市長來回答\n好那謝謝委員的提問那有關美規汽車的這個一些限制的這個部分我想這個是交通部的這個權責那我想我們也會注意到這樣的一個現象那因為談判我們\n國家會有一個整體的策略所以我們也不在這裡講得太細畢竟我們還是要留一些談判的籌碼在手上市長這問題我聽起來你沒辦法回答你沒辦法回答這個權責就是說對美國汽車數量的限制這個部分\n不是我們要犯關稅的問題是你的選擇關稅的部分當然我們是希望就是說盡量能夠足年是不是足年能夠來調降其實市長我的問題是說因為美國現在就是要求我們這幾個產品項目他要求我們關稅他進口進來我們要降低\n所以我們的因應措施是什麼我要問你這個問題是有沒有可能就是他要求什麼我們就接受什麼他跟你講說你的汽車關稅要降低啊要放寬美規車進口到台灣的一個關稅啊是 包委員其實是委員提示的這個部分其實我們都會納入到談判的內容那容我稍微做一些保留因為這個部分確實不能在\n講太多 把我們的底線掀出來我的呼籲跟要求是希望政府的談判代表不能讓美國欲取欲求我們相關的我們國家的關稅政策我們還是要還是要遵守我們各個產業的保護再請杜市長對於我剛才講的美豬美牛的一個進口我們相關的限制規定會不會做一個放寬\n好,謝謝委員關心,因為其實在農產品這塊,特別是在豬肉這塊,其實要求來自原產地的國家,要不要,這是對每個國家都一樣,不是只針對美國,那其實這個目的是,第一個當然是我們台灣的豬肉,或是美國來的豬肉,加拿大豬肉,或者是西班牙豬肉,讓消費者可以看到他吃到的豬肉是哪個國家,這只是讓消費者知道,沒有...\n政府是否可能會為了談判成功未來會放寬相關的限制或修改規定我們的立場你要講清楚說明白不會啦我希望不會啦我們要保護我們的個人的健康嘛\n甚至我剛提到的就是基改食品可進入校園這個部分跟非基改食品他們要求必須列為同一批貨號的列序\n所以這個規定我們不可能去做修改吧你要保護我們學童的安全啊這應該是衛福部跟教育部他們在商量不是 為了在談判這個都跟你們的業務相關嘛你在談判上面如果美國做這方面的要求我們應該要去堅守\n我想所有的談判都是以台...這個我們現在的底線,而不是大家欲取欲求啦當然,保護台灣農業為最優先,是,謝謝接下來,這個我再請經濟部次長那個就是說,美國的...就是川普啊他8號在共和黨的全國委員會活動表示若是台積電如果不在美國設廠,就要開徵關稅100%所以,除了川普這個最新的談話\n經濟部是否知悉川普是希望台積電還要再投資一千億在美國是否有要求台積電必須在未來三年內要全數移轉關鍵技術到美國經濟部你是否有完全確實的掌握台積電到美國的投資條件內容\n跟我們報告就是台積電的這個全球的佈局應該由台積電這邊公司來跟對外來做宣佈我們政府這邊就針對他對外投資所以他的投資內容你現在一無所惜一無所惜他已經在公開的場合已經有宣佈他未來他宣佈他要去投資但是未來投資的內容難道1650億左右經濟部不用去把關嗎\n他說要全部過去你就全部讓他過去啊跟我們報告我們有個投資省力的機制我們有個投資省力的機制當然我們會站在就是國家的產業最大利益的我想我的看法是說你們應該要做砂盤推演啦因為遇到這種關稅的問題我們即便台積電宣示說要過去美國投資要投資一千億川普還不滿意他說你要再加碼投資一千億\n就欲取欲求啊所以政府面對這種問題當關稅大概今天有90天的一個暫停期所以我的意思是說你們是不是好好要去盤點如果萬一90天過後川普還是堅持我們台灣要被這麼高的一個對等關稅那我們台積電是否你們有考量有沙盤推演\n可能在放行的時候他的一個未來的投審會要嚴格的把關啊而不是說他喊多少我們就給多少啊這個是不是你們應該要做沙盤推演\n所以我是呼籲說政治經濟部對於台積電要不要放行這一個部分我們要審慎的考量來對應美國的高關稅的一個政策\n另外我想針對這個880億的紓困預算農業部是180億經濟部是700億賴總統在4月6號也跟國人說政府已經完成盤點對美國採購農工石油跟天然氣等採購計畫也已經派員前往美國談判\n今天我們看到報紙也寫我們林佳龍外交部的林部長他說台灣已經跟美國建立溝通管道談判機制正在與美方對接中期待很快就可以展開實質內容的談判我想請教兩位次長談判代表是否對於美國要求我們增加採購跟擴大投資照單全收\n會這樣嗎跟委員報告我聽起來好像我們現在看到的氛圍就是普遍認為好像我們政府對於美國的他的所有的他的一個提議我們全部照單全收是跟委員報告其實我們大概有盤點一些可以對美擴大採購的一個項目那我們這些資訊也都提供給相關的這個談判的部門來對美國在談判的過程裡面當然所以政府有設下底線\n有設下底線啦不可能說他講什麼我們就全部招攬全收啊當然這個我們在談判過程一定會有這樣的一個考量是所以你們現在到目前為止你們有什麼樣的考量啊你們的因應錯是什麼當然就是說我們\n要符合就是要擴大對美採購的這樣的一個就是最主要是平衡的平衡貿易逆差的這個部分那我想我們大概經濟部這邊就我們所可能油氣這個部分所以對美的採購就是如果他要求我們擴大投資或者對美的相關的採購\n經濟部也好 農業部也好對於他要求我們去購買他的農產品這部分你們是不是有設定一定的一個底線嘛我的問題就是這麼簡單啊當然我們把最大貿易談判代表出去但是我們基本上我們要談什麼\n我們自己要的底線在哪裡完全都完全毫無所惜不知道到目前都沒有任何的措施跟委員報告因為就如同我剛跟委員說明的其實談判一定有很多的情境有各種很複雜的因素那這些情境其實也不宜在我們在這裡講得太清楚\n那是不是可以給我們那個談判代表有更大的一些空間在為我們談判爭取最大的利益我想進一步責無旁貸因為這一次我們有90天的非常充裕的時間所以你們出去談判我希望能夠帶來很好的讓國人安心放心這樣的一個成果以上 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.196 --> 00:11.481\n好謝謝主席主席我先請我們經濟部核次長還有農業部杜次長農業部杜次長好梁院次長\n\n00:20.722 --> 00:28.286\n我想今天針對川普的對等關稅我們看到一個好消息就是說他暫停90天這樣對等的關稅在這90天內都降至10%讓大家暫時鬆一口氣\n\n00:36.070 --> 00:47.153\n那我相信政府有更多的時間籌碼跟空間可以跟美國展開這個貿易的關稅的對等的談判所以我今天就針對未來經貿的談判我國會面對的問題來就教兩位\n\n00:53.342 --> 01:15.820\n那我們看到在對等關稅的實施後美國貿易代表署在4月8號接著就宣布10項不公平的貿易行為雖然我們台灣沒有名列其中但是報告中還是有點名台灣對美規車設置技術性的貿易障礙以及我們台灣要求落實豬肉\n\n01:17.101 --> 01:40.662\n產品的原產地標示以及對某些美牛的產品實施反鎖檢查的做法他認為這是貿易的一個障礙會影響關稅的一個政策他美國表示反對認為這是傷害性的貿易行為所以美國公布這些不公平的貿易行為是否就是在暗示如果我們要跟美國來談判對等關稅\n\n01:43.284 --> 01:57.396\n這些就是必須要讓我們讓步的一個地方這是第一個問題第二個對於我們美豬產地的標示對美牛的進口限制美國是要求我們要全面的解禁美國的牛肉產品\n\n01:58.357 --> 02:14.891\n並且與基改食品可進入校園且要跟非基改食品是列為同一個分類號列美國的這相關的一個政策是否會影響我們政府為了談判成功\n\n02:15.652 --> 02:32.840\n而修改我們或者放寬我們現行相關的限制或修改相關的規定此外對於美規汽車的關稅部分是否也會往下調整那麼依序先請經濟部何市長來回答\n\n02:34.206 --> 02:50.275\n好那謝謝委員的提問那有關美規汽車的這個一些限制的這個部分我想這個是交通部的這個權責那我想我們也會注意到這樣的一個現象那因為談判我們\n\n02:52.061 --> 03:10.173\n國家會有一個整體的策略所以我們也不在這裡講得太細畢竟我們還是要留一些談判的籌碼在手上市長這問題我聽起來你沒辦法回答你沒辦法回答這個權責就是說對美國汽車數量的限制這個部分\n\n03:15.776 --> 03:40.704\n不是我們要犯關稅的問題是你的選擇關稅的部分當然我們是希望就是說盡量能夠足年是不是足年能夠來調降其實市長我的問題是說因為美國現在就是要求我們這幾個產品項目他要求我們關稅他進口進來我們要降低\n\n03:41.804 --> 04:08.120\n所以我們的因應措施是什麼我要問你這個問題是有沒有可能就是他要求什麼我們就接受什麼他跟你講說你的汽車關稅要降低啊要放寬美規車進口到台灣的一個關稅啊是包委員其實是委員提示的這個部分其實我們都會納入到談判的內容那容我稍微做一些保留因為這個部分確實不能在\n\n04:09.361 --> 04:26.746\n講太多把我們的底線掀出來我的呼籲跟要求是希望政府的談判代表不能讓美國欲取欲求我們相關的我們國家的關稅政策我們還是要還是要遵守我們各個產業的保護再請杜市長對於我剛才講的美豬美牛的一個進口我們相關的限制規定會不會做一個放寬\n\n04:39.170 --> 05:01.993\n好,謝謝委員關心,因為其實在農產品這塊,特別是在豬肉這塊,其實要求來自原產地的國家,要不要,這是對每個國家都一樣,不是只針對美國,那其實這個目的是,第一個當然是我們台灣的豬肉,或是美國來的豬肉,加拿大豬肉,或者是西班牙豬肉,讓消費者可以看到他吃到的豬肉是哪個國家,這只是讓消費者知道,沒有...\n\n05:04.054 --> 05:12.817\n政府是否可能會為了談判成功未來會放寬相關的限制或修改規定我們的立場你要講清楚說明白不會啦我希望不會啦我們要保護我們的個人的健康嘛\n\n05:21.739 --> 05:32.545\n甚至我剛提到的就是基改食品可進入校園這個部分跟非基改食品他們要求必須列為同一批貨號的列序\n\n05:35.874 --> 05:51.207\n所以這個規定我們不可能去做修改吧你要保護我們學童的安全啊這應該是衛福部跟教育部他們在商量不是為了在談判這個都跟你們的業務相關嘛你在談判上面如果美國做這方面的要求我們應該要去堅守\n\n05:53.048 --> 06:18.965\n我想所有的談判都是以台...這個我們現在的底線,而不是大家欲取欲求啦當然,保護台灣農業為最優先,是,謝謝接下來,這個我再請經濟部次長那個就是說,美國的...就是川普啊他8號在共和黨的全國委員會活動表示若是台積電如果不在美國設廠,就要開徵關稅100%所以,除了川普這個最新的談話\n\n06:20.886 --> 06:40.206\n經濟部是否知悉川普是希望台積電還要再投資一千億在美國是否有要求台積電必須在未來三年內要全數移轉關鍵技術到美國經濟部你是否有完全確實的掌握台積電到美國的投資條件內容\n\n06:42.377 --> 07:07.272\n跟我們報告就是台積電的這個全球的佈局應該由台積電這邊公司來跟對外來做宣佈我們政府這邊就針對他對外投資所以他的投資內容你現在一無所惜一無所惜他已經在公開的場合已經有宣佈他未來他宣佈他要去投資但是未來投資的內容難道1650億左右經濟部不用去把關嗎\n\n07:08.652 --> 07:33.826\n他說要全部過去你就全部讓他過去啊跟我們報告我們有個投資省力的機制我們有個投資省力的機制當然我們會站在就是國家的產業最大利益的我想我的看法是說你們應該要做砂盤推演啦因為遇到這種關稅的問題我們即便台積電宣示說要過去美國投資要投資一千億川普還不滿意他說你要再加碼投資一千億\n\n07:34.927 --> 07:59.239\n就欲取欲求啊所以政府面對這種問題當關稅大概今天有90天的一個暫停期所以我的意思是說你們是不是好好要去盤點如果萬一90天過後川普還是堅持我們台灣要被這麼高的一個對等關稅那我們台積電是否你們有考量有沙盤推演\n\n08:00.578 --> 08:12.796\n可能在放行的時候他的一個未來的投審會要嚴格的把關啊而不是說他喊多少我們就給多少啊這個是不是你們應該要做沙盤推演\n\n08:14.324 --> 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包委員其實是委員提示的這個部分其實我們都會納入到談判的內容那容我稍微做一些保留因為這個部分確實不能在"},{"start":249.361,"end":266.746,"text":"講太多 把我們的底線掀出來我的呼籲跟要求是希望政府的談判代表不能讓美國欲取欲求我們相關的我們國家的關稅政策我們還是要還是要遵守我們各個產業的保護再請杜市長對於我剛才講的美豬美牛的一個進口我們相關的限制規定會不會做一個放寬"},{"start":279.17,"end":301.993,"text":"好,謝謝委員關心,因為其實在農產品這塊,特別是在豬肉這塊,其實要求來自原產地的國家,要不要,這是對每個國家都一樣,不是只針對美國,那其實這個目的是,第一個當然是我們台灣的豬肉,或是美國來的豬肉,加拿大豬肉,或者是西班牙豬肉,讓消費者可以看到他吃到的豬肉是哪個國家,這只是讓消費者知道,沒有..."},{"start":304.054,"end":312.817,"text":"政府是否可能會為了談判成功未來會放寬相關的限制或修改規定我們的立場你要講清楚說明白不會啦我希望不會啦我們要保護我們的個人的健康嘛"},{"start":321.739,"end":332.545,"text":"甚至我剛提到的就是基改食品可進入校園這個部分跟非基改食品他們要求必須列為同一批貨號的列序"},{"start":335.874,"end":351.207,"text":"所以這個規定我們不可能去做修改吧你要保護我們學童的安全啊這應該是衛福部跟教育部他們在商量不是 為了在談判這個都跟你們的業務相關嘛你在談判上面如果美國做這方面的要求我們應該要去堅守"},{"start":353.048,"end":378.965,"text":"我想所有的談判都是以台...這個我們現在的底線,而不是大家欲取欲求啦當然,保護台灣農業為最優先,是,謝謝接下來,這個我再請經濟部次長那個就是說,美國的...就是川普啊他8號在共和黨的全國委員會活動表示若是台積電如果不在美國設廠,就要開徵關稅100%所以,除了川普這個最新的談話"},{"start":380.886,"end":400.206,"text":"經濟部是否知悉川普是希望台積電還要再投資一千億在美國是否有要求台積電必須在未來三年內要全數移轉關鍵技術到美國經濟部你是否有完全確實的掌握台積電到美國的投資條件內容"},{"start":402.377,"end":427.272,"text":"跟我們報告就是台積電的這個全球的佈局應該由台積電這邊公司來跟對外來做宣佈我們政府這邊就針對他對外投資所以他的投資內容你現在一無所惜一無所惜他已經在公開的場合已經有宣佈他未來他宣佈他要去投資但是未來投資的內容難道1650億左右經濟部不用去把關嗎"},{"start":428.652,"end":453.826,"text":"他說要全部過去你就全部讓他過去啊跟我們報告我們有個投資省力的機制我們有個投資省力的機制當然我們會站在就是國家的產業最大利益的我想我的看法是說你們應該要做砂盤推演啦因為遇到這種關稅的問題我們即便台積電宣示說要過去美國投資要投資一千億川普還不滿意他說你要再加碼投資一千億"},{"start":454.927,"end":479.239,"text":"就欲取欲求啊所以政府面對這種問題當關稅大概今天有90天的一個暫停期所以我的意思是說你們是不是好好要去盤點如果萬一90天過後川普還是堅持我們台灣要被這麼高的一個對等關稅那我們台積電是否你們有考量有沙盤推演"},{"start":480.578,"end":492.796,"text":"可能在放行的時候他的一個未來的投審會要嚴格的把關啊而不是說他喊多少我們就給多少啊這個是不是你們應該要做沙盤推演"},{"start":494.324,"end":498.629,"text":"所以我是呼籲說政治經濟部對於台積電要不要放行這一個部分我們要審慎的考量來對應美國的高關稅的一個政策"},{"start":511.744,"end":517.809,"text":"另外我想針對這個880億的紓困預算農業部是180億經濟部是700億賴總統在4月6號也跟國人說政府已經完成盤點對美國採購農工石油跟天然氣等採購計畫也已經派員前往美國談判"},{"start":533.863,"end":561.304,"text":"今天我們看到報紙也寫我們林佳龍外交部的林部長他說台灣已經跟美國建立溝通管道談判機制正在與美方對接中期待很快就可以展開實質內容的談判我想請教兩位次長談判代表是否對於美國要求我們增加採購跟擴大投資照單全收"},{"start":564.044,"end":591.014,"text":"會這樣嗎跟委員報告我聽起來好像我們現在看到的氛圍就是普遍認為好像我們政府對於美國的他的所有的他的一個提議我們全部照單全收是跟委員報告其實我們大概有盤點一些可以對美擴大採購的一個項目那我們這些資訊也都提供給相關的這個談判的部門來對美國在談判的過程裡面當然所以政府有設下底線"},{"start":592.799,"end":607.314,"text":"有設下底線啦不可能說他講什麼我們就全部招攬全收啊當然這個我們在談判過程一定會有這樣的一個考量是所以你們現在到目前為止你們有什麼樣的考量啊你們的因應錯是什麼當然就是說我們"},{"start":608.857,"end":628.898,"text":"要符合就是要擴大對美採購的這樣的一個就是最主要是平衡的平衡貿易逆差的這個部分那我想我們大概經濟部這邊就我們所可能油氣這個部分所以對美的採購就是如果他要求我們擴大投資或者對美的相關的採購"},{"start":630.599,"end":648.231,"text":"經濟部也好 農業部也好對於他要求我們去購買他的農產品這部分你們是不是有設定一定的一個底線嘛我的問題就是這麼簡單啊當然我們把最大貿易談判代表出去但是我們基本上我們要談什麼"},{"start":650.25,"end":669.422,"text":"我們自己要的底線在哪裡完全都完全毫無所惜不知道到目前都沒有任何的措施跟委員報告因為就如同我剛跟委員說明的其實談判一定有很多的情境有各種很複雜的因素那這些情境其實也不宜在我們在這裡講得太清楚"},{"start":670.282,"end":690.59,"text":"那是不是可以給我們那個談判代表有更大的一些空間在為我們談判爭取最大的利益我想進一步責無旁貸因為這一次我們有90天的非常充裕的時間所以你們出去談判我希望能夠帶來很好的讓國人安心放心這樣的一個成果以上 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