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00:00:44,884\n今天我們看到美國大家在關心的關稅大刀現在看似只砍向中國提高到125%台灣目前還有一個觀察的90天為什麼會特別提到這個部分因為我想企業如果沒有有效的來應對所謂的關稅的壁壘它還是有可能會削弱我們在科技產業當中的一些地位\n\n3\n00:00:45,584 --> 00:01:04,932\n那其實在我們的科技產業當中其實最重要的還是人才那科研人才的流用或者是它有可能會流失這個部分其實是我們非常關切的問題那剛剛其實早上我也聽到其他的藍營的委員也在提到這個部分但是現在我們面對我們的預算\n\n4\n00:01:07,493 --> 00:01:33,112\n被删被动那其实有很多都是跟人才交流这个国际交流上有一些很大的一个状况相关那我想呢如果没有有效的留住科技人才那除了会影响到这个国际的企业那另外呢还有我们的这个科研的机构相对来讲整体的一个发展也会产生一些所谓的这个负面的影响哦\n\n5\n00:01:33,852 --> 00:01:56,397\n那根據這個美國的智庫他們有查過就是超過3500名的半導體的專業人員他們希望能夠藉由挖角台灣或者是韓國的一些所謂的工程師來增強自己本身在這個部分的一個強度那當然我們也看到了就是根據檢調的調查這個11家的中國相關的企業\n\n6\n00:02:00,330 --> 00:02:18,166\n涉嫌要挖角台灣的高科技人才那這個涉及的人數呢是超過50名的IC設計以及半導體領域的一個研發人才那我想在這邊請教一下這個院長如何來評估這個部分對台灣科技研發體系的一個長期的影響\n\n7\n00:02:18,966 --> 00:02:36,147\n我想在國際上人才競爭是非常劇烈我們在人才競爭的同時我們需要讓全世界知道台灣是一個重視科技發展重視科技研究人才的地方\n\n8\n00:02:37,489 --> 00:02:51,828\n所以從這角度出發我們希望未來在審議預算的時候特別要考量學研單位包括大學包括中研院包括所有的研究機構預算的時候要考量\n\n9\n00:02:52,288 --> 00:03:15,998\n科研的特殊性及它的重要性它的長遠性來做一個通盤的考量那我們怎麼樣來面對就是中國要挖角或者是美國想要這個人才的一個爭奪所以我們一方面要極力留住另外一方面我們要大力改善我們國內的科研環境那改善國內科研環境一定要充分投資\n\n10\n00:03:17,780 --> 00:03:38,119\n大家都知道說現在全世界在拼科技拼科技一定要投資那投資一定要從基礎開始從大學從研究機構開始那大學中研院其他的法人的研究單位都扮演不同的角色那我們在這方面一定要大力支持\n\n11\n00:03:38,539 --> 00:03:52,755\n我想這個中研院長年你們都在推動所謂的博士後研究短期的技修或者是國際交流等等的一些計畫那台灣的這個科研人才走出去其實是中研院扮演的非常重要的一個平台\n\n12\n00:03:53,396 --> 00:04:12,663\n那但是呢現在我們看到的就是國民黨跟民眾黨他們在預算的凍結跟刪除那這個通山的案子大概通山的部分是3億941萬7千元3億喔那另外呢在大院表決凍結全院的業務費用是高達30%那相對來講就是11億4963萬\n\n13\n00:04:18,566 --> 00:04:35,942\n那這個部分其實嚴重的會影響到我們的國際人才的鍛煉那我想這也是我們非常非常擔心的部分那更可能會造成所謂的這個青年的科研人才他們失去了所謂的關鍵的訓練那這個部分我們中研院怎麼看\n\n14\n00:04:37,204 --> 00:05:02,815\n這部分當然是對研究人員心理層面影響是不言可喻大家期待說台灣要能夠重視科研重視特別是科研的環境而不是只有表面上的數字讓科研人才在這邊覺得是受歡迎的讓他做研究能夠有足夠的經費\n\n15\n00:05:04,115 --> 00:05:20,974\n他想出國參訪或是甚至國內的交流也都需要有一些經費來支持那這方面假如碰到卡關狀況難免會對研究人員造成一些心理上的一個挫折感\n\n16\n00:05:21,594 --> 00:05:32,337\n雖然我們院方也極力來調適這方面來調度可用的經費在合法合理的範圍內我們院方已經調度經費來因應現在這樣子的狀況但是這個畢竟有限\n\n17\n00:05:37,259 --> 00:06:01,331\n我們來看一下因為這個畫面當中看到這是一位中研院應該是研究員他說中研院的這個經費被刪減通知正式已經發下來了那今年大家所有的研究計畫只能保守計畫勒緊褲帶了那規劃要到這個日本進行20年的長期研究在這樣子的一個氣氛之下只能終止了那這些呢就是藍白認為刪減經費對國家不會有影響的人他希望大家要醒醒啊\n\n18\n00:06:05,873 --> 00:06:25,701\n這個是一位中研院的研究名字我們就不透露也不透露他在哪一個這個部門去做這個研究但是他已經確定他是這麼寫的那我想大家應該都知道這個預算凍結很多人說這個凍結是不是我要解凍放在這個微波爐裡面逼一聲就好了\n\n19\n00:06:26,221 --> 00:06:51,179\n其實解凍的程序大概經過三個月左右的時間那我們的總預算呢是在3月21號正式公佈這總預算的部分是3月底才公佈的喔現在要解凍有這麼簡單嗎這個是其實真的要跟大家講一下喔從預算的解凍我們的程序大概是怎麼樣因為要到程序委員會去排案再交付委員會\n\n20\n00:06:52,020 --> 00:07:10,425\n到了委員會相關被凍結預算的部會機關你們還要交出口頭報告或者是書面報告而且要委員該委員會的同意大家討論過後同意之後才能夠來進行大到大院再交付大院\n\n21\n00:07:10,765 --> 00:07:25,491\n然後才能進行解凍整個所有的程序真的有那麼簡單嗎再次強調大概是需要三個月的時間現在都已經四月了我們是3月21號總預算才公佈才確定結果現在因為摯愛難行要你們馬上交出書面報告\n\n22\n00:07:33,909 --> 00:07:52,595\n我們是在極力努力所以我們同仁也都非常辛苦放下很多工作要趕快來彙整各種資料所以今天其實真的還是要再次提醒我們剛剛不斷的一直在強調中研院是科研人才非常重要的一個培養的平台\n\n23\n00:07:53,274 --> 00:08:04,507\n那麼不管是對國際上的交流還有我們人才的一個培養其實中研院扮演著非常非常重要的角色但是我們中研院被刪的預算剛剛講過了是3億多被通案凍結的預算是31%\n\n24\n00:08:15,618 --> 00:08:40,746\n11億這整體加起來我想這個影響層面應該是非常非常之大我們只能朝著解凍的方面去努力但是還是要請中研院我們有信心因為中研院一直以來扮演著非常重要的這個科研的一個就是培養人才的一個角色所以我們也希望我們繼續加油好謝謝謝謝院長謝謝主席\n\n25\n00:08:42,571 --> 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謝謝郭育晴\n","txt":"郭委員早郭委員早\n今天我們看到美國大家在關心的關稅大刀現在看似只砍向中國提高到125%台灣目前還有一個觀察的90天為什麼會特別提到這個部分因為我想企業如果沒有有效的來應對所謂的關稅的壁壘它還是有可能會削弱我們在科技產業當中的一些地位\n那其實在我們的科技產業當中其實最重要的還是人才那科研人才的流用或者是它有可能會流失這個部分其實是我們非常關切的問題那剛剛其實早上我也聽到其他的藍營的委員也在提到這個部分但是現在我們面對我們的預算\n被删被动那其实有很多都是跟人才交流这个国际交流上有一些很大的一个状况相关那我想呢如果没有有效的留住科技人才那除了会影响到这个国际的企业那另外呢还有我们的这个科研的机构相对来讲整体的一个发展也会产生一些所谓的这个负面的影响哦\n那根據這個美國的智庫他們有查過就是超過3500名的半導體的專業人員他們希望能夠藉由挖角台灣或者是韓國的一些所謂的工程師來增強自己本身在這個部分的一個強度那當然我們也看到了就是根據檢調的調查這個11家的中國相關的企業\n涉嫌要挖角台灣的高科技人才那這個涉及的人數呢是超過50名的IC設計以及半導體領域的一個研發人才那我想在這邊請教一下這個院長如何來評估這個部分對台灣科技研發體系的一個長期的影響\n我想在國際上人才競爭是非常劇烈我們在人才競爭的同時我們需要讓全世界知道台灣是一個重視科技發展重視科技研究人才的地方\n所以從這角度出發我們希望未來在審議預算的時候特別要考量學研單位包括大學包括中研院包括所有的研究機構預算的時候要考量\n科研的特殊性及它的重要性它的長遠性來做一個通盤的考量那我們怎麼樣來面對就是中國要挖角或者是美國想要這個人才的一個爭奪所以我們一方面要極力留住另外一方面我們要大力改善我們國內的科研環境那改善國內科研環境一定要充分投資\n大家都知道說現在全世界在拼科技拼科技一定要投資那投資一定要從基礎開始從大學從研究機構開始那大學中研院其他的法人的研究單位都扮演不同的角色那我們在這方面一定要大力支持\n我想這個中研院長年你們都在推動所謂的博士後研究短期的技修或者是國際交流等等的一些計畫那台灣的這個科研人才走出去其實是中研院扮演的非常重要的一個平台\n那但是呢現在我們看到的就是國民黨跟民眾黨他們在預算的凍結跟刪除那這個通山的案子大概通山的部分是3億941萬7千元3億喔那另外呢在大院表決凍結全院的業務費用是高達30%那相對來講就是11億4963萬\n那這個部分其實嚴重的會影響到我們的國際人才的鍛煉那我想這也是我們非常非常擔心的部分那更可能會造成所謂的這個青年的科研人才他們失去了所謂的關鍵的訓練那這個部分我們中研院怎麼看\n這部分當然是對研究人員心理層面影響是不言可喻大家期待說台灣要能夠重視科研重視特別是科研的環境而不是只有表面上的數字讓科研人才在這邊覺得是受歡迎的讓他做研究能夠有足夠的經費\n他想出國參訪或是甚至國內的交流也都需要有一些經費來支持那這方面假如碰到卡關狀況難免會對研究人員造成一些心理上的一個挫折感\n雖然我們院方也極力來調適這方面來調度可用的經費在合法合理的範圍內我們院方已經調度經費來因應現在這樣子的狀況但是這個畢竟有限\n我們來看一下因為這個畫面當中看到這是一位中研院應該是研究員他說中研院的這個經費被刪減通知正式已經發下來了那今年大家所有的研究計畫只能保守計畫勒緊褲帶了那規劃要到這個日本進行20年的長期研究在這樣子的一個氣氛之下只能終止了那這些呢就是藍白認為刪減經費對國家不會有影響的人他希望大家要醒醒啊\n這個是一位中研院的研究名字我們就不透露也不透露他在哪一個這個部門去做這個研究但是他已經確定他是這麼寫的那我想大家應該都知道這個預算凍結很多人說這個凍結是不是我要解凍放在這個微波爐裡面逼一聲就好了\n其實解凍的程序大概經過三個月左右的時間那我們的總預算呢是在3月21號正式公佈這總預算的部分是3月底才公佈的喔現在要解凍有這麼簡單嗎這個是其實真的要跟大家講一下喔從預算的解凍我們的程序大概是怎麼樣因為要到程序委員會去排案再交付委員會\n到了委員會相關被凍結預算的部會機關你們還要交出口頭報告或者是書面報告而且要委員該委員會的同意大家討論過後同意之後才能夠來進行大到大院再交付大院\n然後才能進行解凍整個所有的程序真的有那麼簡單嗎再次強調大概是需要三個月的時間現在都已經四月了我們是3月21號總預算才公佈才確定結果現在因為摯愛難行要你們馬上交出書面報告\n我們是在極力努力所以我們同仁也都非常辛苦放下很多工作要趕快來彙整各種資料所以今天其實真的還是要再次提醒我們剛剛不斷的一直在強調中研院是科研人才非常重要的一個培養的平台\n那麼不管是對國際上的交流還有我們人才的一個培養其實中研院扮演著非常非常重要的角色但是我們中研院被刪的預算剛剛講過了是3億多被通案凍結的預算是31%\n11億這整體加起來我想這個影響層面應該是非常非常之大我們只能朝著解凍的方面去努力但是還是要請中研院我們有信心因為中研院一直以來扮演著非常重要的這個科研的一個就是培養人才的一個角色所以我們也希望我們繼續加油好 謝謝謝謝院長 謝謝主席\n好 謝謝郭育晴\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:00.790\n郭委員早郭委員早\n\n00:19.045 --> 00:44.884\n今天我們看到美國大家在關心的關稅大刀現在看似只砍向中國提高到125%台灣目前還有一個觀察的90天為什麼會特別提到這個部分因為我想企業如果沒有有效的來應對所謂的關稅的壁壘它還是有可能會削弱我們在科技產業當中的一些地位\n\n00:45.584 --> 01:04.932\n那其實在我們的科技產業當中其實最重要的還是人才那科研人才的流用或者是它有可能會流失這個部分其實是我們非常關切的問題那剛剛其實早上我也聽到其他的藍營的委員也在提到這個部分但是現在我們面對我們的預算\n\n01:07.493 --> 01:33.112\n被删被动那其实有很多都是跟人才交流这个国际交流上有一些很大的一个状况相关那我想呢如果没有有效的留住科技人才那除了会影响到这个国际的企业那另外呢还有我们的这个科研的机构相对来讲整体的一个发展也会产生一些所谓的这个负面的影响哦\n\n01:33.852 --> 01:56.397\n那根據這個美國的智庫他們有查過就是超過3500名的半導體的專業人員他們希望能夠藉由挖角台灣或者是韓國的一些所謂的工程師來增強自己本身在這個部分的一個強度那當然我們也看到了就是根據檢調的調查這個11家的中國相關的企業\n\n02:00.330 --> 02:18.166\n涉嫌要挖角台灣的高科技人才那這個涉及的人數呢是超過50名的IC設計以及半導體領域的一個研發人才那我想在這邊請教一下這個院長如何來評估這個部分對台灣科技研發體系的一個長期的影響\n\n02:18.966 --> 02:36.147\n我想在國際上人才競爭是非常劇烈我們在人才競爭的同時我們需要讓全世界知道台灣是一個重視科技發展重視科技研究人才的地方\n\n02:37.489 --> 02:51.828\n所以從這角度出發我們希望未來在審議預算的時候特別要考量學研單位包括大學包括中研院包括所有的研究機構預算的時候要考量\n\n02:52.288 --> 03:15.998\n科研的特殊性及它的重要性它的長遠性來做一個通盤的考量那我們怎麼樣來面對就是中國要挖角或者是美國想要這個人才的一個爭奪所以我們一方面要極力留住另外一方面我們要大力改善我們國內的科研環境那改善國內科研環境一定要充分投資\n\n03:17.780 --> 03:38.119\n大家都知道說現在全世界在拼科技拼科技一定要投資那投資一定要從基礎開始從大學從研究機構開始那大學中研院其他的法人的研究單位都扮演不同的角色那我們在這方面一定要大力支持\n\n03:38.539 --> 03:52.755\n我想這個中研院長年你們都在推動所謂的博士後研究短期的技修或者是國際交流等等的一些計畫那台灣的這個科研人才走出去其實是中研院扮演的非常重要的一個平台\n\n03:53.396 --> 04:12.663\n那但是呢現在我們看到的就是國民黨跟民眾黨他們在預算的凍結跟刪除那這個通山的案子大概通山的部分是3億941萬7千元3億喔那另外呢在大院表決凍結全院的業務費用是高達30%那相對來講就是11億4963萬\n\n04:18.566 --> 04:35.942\n那這個部分其實嚴重的會影響到我們的國際人才的鍛煉那我想這也是我們非常非常擔心的部分那更可能會造成所謂的這個青年的科研人才他們失去了所謂的關鍵的訓練那這個部分我們中研院怎麼看\n\n04:37.204 --> 05:02.815\n這部分當然是對研究人員心理層面影響是不言可喻大家期待說台灣要能夠重視科研重視特別是科研的環境而不是只有表面上的數字讓科研人才在這邊覺得是受歡迎的讓他做研究能夠有足夠的經費\n\n05:04.115 --> 05:20.974\n他想出國參訪或是甚至國內的交流也都需要有一些經費來支持那這方面假如碰到卡關狀況難免會對研究人員造成一些心理上的一個挫折感\n\n05:21.594 --> 05:32.337\n雖然我們院方也極力來調適這方面來調度可用的經費在合法合理的範圍內我們院方已經調度經費來因應現在這樣子的狀況但是這個畢竟有限\n\n05:37.259 --> 06:01.331\n我們來看一下因為這個畫面當中看到這是一位中研院應該是研究員他說中研院的這個經費被刪減通知正式已經發下來了那今年大家所有的研究計畫只能保守計畫勒緊褲帶了那規劃要到這個日本進行20年的長期研究在這樣子的一個氣氛之下只能終止了那這些呢就是藍白認為刪減經費對國家不會有影響的人他希望大家要醒醒啊\n\n06:05.873 --> 06:25.701\n這個是一位中研院的研究名字我們就不透露也不透露他在哪一個這個部門去做這個研究但是他已經確定他是這麼寫的那我想大家應該都知道這個預算凍結很多人說這個凍結是不是我要解凍放在這個微波爐裡面逼一聲就好了\n\n06:26.221 --> 06:51.179\n其實解凍的程序大概經過三個月左右的時間那我們的總預算呢是在3月21號正式公佈這總預算的部分是3月底才公佈的喔現在要解凍有這麼簡單嗎這個是其實真的要跟大家講一下喔從預算的解凍我們的程序大概是怎麼樣因為要到程序委員會去排案再交付委員會\n\n06:52.020 --> 07:10.425\n到了委員會相關被凍結預算的部會機關你們還要交出口頭報告或者是書面報告而且要委員該委員會的同意大家討論過後同意之後才能夠來進行大到大院再交付大院\n\n07:10.765 --> 07:25.491\n然後才能進行解凍整個所有的程序真的有那麼簡單嗎再次強調大概是需要三個月的時間現在都已經四月了我們是3月21號總預算才公佈才確定結果現在因為摯愛難行要你們馬上交出書面報告\n\n07:33.909 --> 07:52.595\n我們是在極力努力所以我們同仁也都非常辛苦放下很多工作要趕快來彙整各種資料所以今天其實真的還是要再次提醒我們剛剛不斷的一直在強調中研院是科研人才非常重要的一個培養的平台\n\n07:53.274 --> 08:04.507\n那麼不管是對國際上的交流還有我們人才的一個培養其實中研院扮演著非常非常重要的角色但是我們中研院被刪的預算剛剛講過了是3億多被通案凍結的預算是31%\n\n08:15.618 --> 08:40.746\n11億這整體加起來我想這個影響層面應該是非常非常之大我們只能朝著解凍的方面去努力但是還是要請中研院我們有信心因為中研院一直以來扮演著非常重要的這個科研的一個就是培養人才的一個角色所以我們也希望我們繼續加油好謝謝謝謝院長謝謝主席\n\n08:42.571 --> 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