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00:00:37,135\n兩位部長好美國總統川普宣布對等的關稅那他的這個生肖日期進入了90天的豁免的談判期那請教部長你認為你認為美國突然喊停決策的策略它的因素是什麼呢國務部長\n\n3\n00:00:39,705 --> 00:01:07,655\n報告委員我想這個是他們的談判的這個手段那基本上他拋出一個這個高的這部分在美國的這個有他的自己一個做法那我們只能提因應的辦法因為大家都在對這個中間可能會發生什麼樣的變異大家都有做一些這個變異那但是因為他\n\n4\n00:01:08,891 --> 00:01:31,276\n在4月9號我們有70多個國家跟他表示願意跟他談我相信他很難這個在短期間裡面就做出一個正確的判斷所以他願意跟這個希望跟他談的人在90天裡面談完這個我想是他一個最大的一個改變最大因素也就是說很難在\n\n5\n00:01:33,057 --> 00:01:42,327\n這個很短的時間做正確的判斷這是郭部長你認為他這一次的轉變我的意思就是說每一個國家跟他談之間的關係是不一樣的\n\n6\n00:01:43,607 --> 00:02:12,766\n所以他认为他主要还是针对中国因为中国反对他所以他就在中国加税那这样子的话他对这些其他支持他的这些国家因为跟他谈的国家当然不会说到你马上遭受到一个很大的困扰所以我想这个是他们提出一个解决的方式提出这个解决的方式就90天90天大家来慢慢谈\n\n7\n00:02:13,066 --> 00:02:35,094\n好所以本席也認為這當然您所說的這個也是一個談判的技巧那也是一個因素那同時也本席也認為在美國的股票裡頭跟債券市場的壓力這個應該也是成為因素之一當然很多的因素很多的變化但是我們現在得到的答案也就是進入90天的這個\n\n8\n00:02:37,055 --> 00:02:43,960\n豁免的談判期但是我認為我們最重要的就是我們必須要理清楚我們就是理清楚美國在談判的時候呢他們想要什麼那我方又是什麼樣的主張那美國財政部長呢貝森特他也特別說了因為在其他的國家這七十幾個國家的談判中涉及到一系列的議題包括了這個LNG交易\n\n9\n00:03:06,895 --> 00:03:18,408\n非關稅貿易的帳壁壘貨幣政策還有補貼等等每一個國家的量身定制是通通都會有所安排所以在這邊請教部長我們預期什麼時候可以開啟談判多久可以談那麼可否可以加速請說明\n\n10\n00:03:28,578 --> 00:03:44,436\n对国务长报告委员我认为我们的状况相对简单我们跟美国是非常友好的两个国家第二个台美在科技上面其实是完全互补的\n\n11\n00:03:45,117 --> 00:03:59,893\n所以他認為這個是比較好談的所以我們也在表示我們願意跟他談其實在很早就跟他講我們願意跟他談所以我認為我們應該會在第一波談判的第一波會在三十天內會談嗎\n\n12\n00:04:01,634 --> 00:04:21,540\n至於這個是不是30天或者60天或者90天我想美國有美國的判斷啦但是我們以我們所準備的程度我們都會我們希望在第一波我們在第一波的時候怎麼談越早談對我們越有利嘛我們在第二波的時候又要怎麼談這個我想我們有沙盤推演都有把這些情境來做分析然後做推演\n\n13\n00:04:21,860 --> 00:04:39,747\n昨天國防會的主委也說了他說了我們是這個優先那您今天說我們應該會在第一波那我們也希望因為越早談對我們是越有利這也是賴總統在投書彭博外媒的時候他提到\n\n14\n00:04:40,527 --> 00:04:58,752\n我國要將要加大對美的採購那包括了什麼能源工業農業是不是要請教部長喔這個是我們的方向嗎因為昨天本席請教你的時候你說要看美國想要談什麼那我說我們也要有我們自己的主張嘛要保障我國的這個產業跟農業\n\n15\n00:05:00,532 --> 00:05:14,026\n對不對好所以在這樣的情況之下本校要請教是不是總統既然投書了針對於能源工業以及農業那是不是你們兩位部長會朝這個方向這樣的項目請說明經濟部會朝這個方向經濟部那農業部呢\n\n16\n00:05:19,810 --> 00:05:43,299\n我想農業部有非常多的品項也是用也是跟美國有高度互補所以在對互補性的這些農產品我們也會加大我們採購好謝謝那再請教郭部長跟這個陳部長喔我們談判的方向項目我們確認那請教我們預估我們的金額會有多大的規模你們一定有沙盤推演啊郭部長\n\n17\n00:05:48,769 --> 00:06:05,925\n您的意思是說我們大概有多少報告委員我想這個都一直在加大隊沒採購嘛那你的金額你大概預估會有多少大概預估啦應該我們盤點政府的部分啦大概應該有2000億美金可以談啦\n\n18\n00:06:06,825 --> 00:06:30,051\n兩千億美金可以談然後還沒有加上這個民間的啦政府部門大概兩千億美金就是就政府跟國營始業在未來我們可以跟他談的金額大概就是兩千億美金那這裡面是包括我們大概十年啦我們規劃十年可以買進的十年政府部門大概兩千億美金\n\n19\n00:06:30,951 --> 00:06:54,619\n還沒有加上民間的所以我們現在還在整合民間可能購買的金額有多少那這樣子一包去跟他談的話可能更能夠有誘因因為政府說對美的天然氣我們採購會擴大到三成這是昨天我們得到的訊息那麼是不是如此現在方向是不是如此方向應該是這樣子\n\n20\n00:06:55,899 --> 00:07:06,949\n方向是這樣子就是天然氣的部分會擴大到三成當然昨天你也談到阿拉斯加的這個天然氣的投資那請教郭部長還有其他能源的項目對美購買嗎請說說還是有啊還有有什麼項目呢\n\n21\n00:07:12,955 --> 00:07:32,482\n譬如說我們在能源有很多種科技上面的能源有一些科技的能源或者是我們有很多的我們在發電上所用的發電機這些都可以跟美國購買對這些我們都是也擴大項目\n\n22\n00:07:37,281 --> 00:07:53,388\n就是我們盤點在未來十年內我們要投資的各項能源的措施包括有很多民間的這些智庫然後他們也推薦了很多新能源包括新能源\n\n23\n00:07:55,288 --> 00:08:19,102\n對都有推薦讓我們做參考我們會把這些資料整合以後提供給台灣之前您也一直在說任何的新技術的能源那麼我們都採開放的態度是不是一樣這樣的立場所以這件事本下請教總統也提到在投書當中他也提到加大投資美國那他說看到電子\n\n24\n00:08:20,482 --> 00:08:34,608\n資訊以及資通這個通訊技術能源和石化等這些領域的新商機那請教我們是不是要推動這些產業到美國投資請教如何的來投資你規模又多大請教部長\n\n25\n00:08:35,348 --> 00:09:03,089\n國務部長報告委員我跟你講這個就是我們在調整在調整方向是這樣子但是廠商廠商願不願意對跟著這個方向這個廠商做決定是但是廠商一旦決定他們願意打國家隊然後到美國去成立一個這個可以整合的這樣的一個公司作為生產的時候我們就協助他出海落地所以這兩個方向協助他在管理上面來努力是第一個協助產業如果產業願意對\n\n26\n00:09:04,830 --> 00:09:25,119\n第二個如果產業還不達到的時候國營事業會鼓勵過去嗎我們有很多種方法國營事業會不會我們不一定要國營事業過去不一定要國營事業其實那個國營事業的產品去那邊沒有辦法製造再送給再銷售給美國國營事業不一定好那接下來本席要請教農業部長\n\n27\n00:09:27,100 --> 00:09:41,458\n非關稅貿易的這個障礙在當中呢你認為美方最在意的非關稅貿易障礙在你的這個主管範圍內你認為美方最在意的是什麼我們的立場又是什麼我想\n\n28\n00:09:42,816 --> 00:10:01,713\n非貿易關稅障礙裡面一個非常重要的就是我們針對某一些品項做有他的進口的額度的一個限制那以現在美國所關切的稻米的部分他們是關切稻米的關稅配額內的裡面的底價的訂定我們並沒有公開\n\n29\n00:10:02,774 --> 00:10:17,037\n那因為根據我們現在政府採購法我們底價是沒有公開的但是政府採購法也可以用另外一個方式我們可以採底價公開價低者得比底價越低的方式那這個部分我想我們也會做適當的調整\n\n30\n00:10:18,658 --> 00:10:43,694\n您做适当的调整因为总统的说法我们要跟美国是以零关税的基础来展开敞干谈判所以我们的农产很紧张在这样的情况之下甚至有学者评估台美零关税的话会我们的稻米我们的鸡肉我们的猪我们的鲜奶会冲击非常的大到时候你要怎么样去保护我们\n\n31\n00:10:44,474 --> 00:11:05,791\n比如說米如果零關稅它的價格比我們低然後它又有大量的多樣式的優勢那當然米商會很緊張我們的米的產業很緊張雞肉如果拿掉了關稅那它的價格又降下來那我們的知己率可能達不到50%雞農很緊張雞商也緊張那比如說我們的豬也是同樣的這個狀況同樣這個狀況那代表著如果\n\n32\n00:11:12,176 --> 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請郭部長跟陳部長喂吼\n16969\t37135\t兩位部長好美國總統川普宣布對等的關稅那他的這個生肖日期進入了90天的豁免的談判期那請教部長你認為你認為美國突然喊停決策的策略它的因素是什麼呢國務部長\n39705\t67655\t報告委員我想這個是他們的談判的這個手段那基本上他拋出一個這個高的這部分在美國的這個有他的自己一個做法那我們只能提因應的辦法因為大家都在對這個中間可能會發生什麼樣的變異大家都有做一些這個變異那但是因為他\n68891\t91276\t在4月9號我們有70多個國家跟他表示願意跟他談我相信他很難這個在短期間裡面就做出一個正確的判斷所以他願意跟這個希望跟他談的人在90天裡面談完這個我想是他一個最大的一個改變最大因素也就是說很難在\n93057\t102327\t這個很短的時間做正確的判斷這是郭部長你認為他這一次的轉變我的意思就是說每一個國家跟他談之間的關係是不一樣的\n103607\t132766\t所以他认为他主要还是针对中国因为中国反对他所以他就在中国加税那这样子的话他对这些其他支持他的这些国家因为跟他谈的国家当然不会说到你马上遭受到一个很大的困扰所以我想这个是他们提出一个解决的方式提出这个解决的方式就90天90天大家来慢慢谈\n133066\t155094\t好所以本席也認為這當然您所說的這個也是一個談判的技巧那也是一個因素那同時也本席也認為在美國的股票裡頭跟債券市場的壓力這個應該也是成為因素之一當然很多的因素很多的變化但是我們現在得到的答案也就是進入90天的這個\n157055\t163960\t豁免的談判期但是我認為我們最重要的就是我們必須要理清楚我們就是理清楚美國在談判的時候呢他們想要什麼那我方又是什麼樣的主張那美國財政部長呢貝森特他也特別說了因為在其他的國家這七十幾個國家的談判中涉及到一系列的議題包括了這個LNG交易\n186895\t198408\t非關稅貿易的帳壁壘貨幣政策還有補貼等等每一個國家的量身定制是通通都會有所安排所以在這邊請教部長我們預期什麼時候可以開啟談判多久可以談那麼可否可以加速 請說明\n208578\t224436\t对 国务长报告委员我认为我们的状况相对简单我们跟美国是非常友好的两个国家第二个台美在科技上面其实是完全互补的\n225117\t239893\t所以他認為這個是比較好談的所以我們也在表示我們願意跟他談其實在很早就跟他講我們願意跟他談所以我認為我們應該會在第一波談判的第一波會在三十天內會談嗎\n241634\t261540\t至於這個是不是30天或者60天或者90天我想美國有美國的判斷啦但是我們以我們所準備的程度我們都會我們希望在第一波我們在第一波的時候怎麼談越早談對我們越有利嘛我們在第二波的時候又要怎麼談這個我想我們有沙盤推演都有把這些情境來做分析然後做推演\n261860\t279747\t昨天國防會的主委也說了他說了我們是這個優先那您今天說我們應該會在第一波那我們也希望因為越早談對我們是越有利這也是賴總統在投書彭博外媒的時候他提到\n280527\t298752\t我國要將要加大對美的採購那包括了什麼 能源 工業 農業是不是要請教部長喔這個是我們的方向嗎因為昨天本席請教你的時候你說要看美國想要談什麼那我說我們也要有我們自己的主張嘛要保障我國的這個產業跟農業\n300532\t314026\t對不對好所以在這樣的情況之下本校要請教是不是總統既然投書了針對於能源工業以及農業那是不是你們兩位部長會朝這個方向這樣的項目請說明經濟部會朝這個方向經濟部那農業部呢\n319810\t343299\t我想農業部有非常多的品項也是用也是跟美國有高度互補所以在對互補性的這些農產品我們也會加大我們採購好 謝謝那再請教郭部長跟這個陳部長喔我們談判的方向項目我們確認那請教我們預估我們的金額會有多大的規模你們一定有沙盤推演啊 郭部長\n348769\t365925\t您的意思是說我們大概有多少報告委員我想這個都一直在加大隊沒採購嘛那你的金額你大概預估會有多少大概預估啦應該我們盤點政府的部分啦大概應該有2000億美金可以談啦\n366825\t390051\t兩千億美金可以談然後還沒有加上這個民間的啦政府部門大概兩千億美金就是就政府跟國營始業在未來我們可以跟他談的金額大概就是兩千億美金那這裡面是包括我們大概十年啦我們規劃十年可以買進的十年政府部門大概兩千億美金\n390951\t414619\t還沒有加上民間的所以我們現在還在整合民間可能購買的金額有多少那這樣子一包去跟他談的話可能更能夠有誘因因為政府說對美的天然氣我們採購會擴大到三成這是昨天我們得到的訊息那麼是不是如此現在方向是不是如此方向應該是這樣子\n415899\t426949\t方向是這樣子就是天然氣的部分會擴大到三成當然昨天你也談到阿拉斯加的這個天然氣的投資那請教郭部長還有其他能源的項目對美購買嗎請說說還是有啊還有有什麼項目呢\n432955\t452482\t譬如說我們在能源有很多種科技上面的能源有一些科技的能源或者是我們有很多的我們在發電上所用的發電機這些都可以跟美國購買對 這些我們都是也擴大項目\n457281\t473388\t就是我們盤點在未來十年內我們要投資的各項能源的措施包括有很多民間的這些智庫然後他們也推薦了很多新能源包括新能源\n475288\t499102\t對 都有推薦讓我們做參考我們會把這些資料整合以後提供給台灣之前您也一直在說任何的新技術的能源那麼我們都採開放的態度是不是一樣這樣的立場所以這件事本下請教總統也提到在投書當中他也提到加大投資美國那他說看到電子\n500482\t514608\t資訊以及資通這個通訊技術 能源和石化等這些領域的新商機那請教我們是不是要推動這些產業到美國投資請教如何的來投資 你規模又多大請教部長\n515348\t543089\t國務部長報告委員我跟你講這個就是我們在調整在調整方向是這樣子但是廠商廠商願不願意對跟著這個方向這個廠商做決定是但是廠商一旦決定他們願意打國家隊然後到美國去成立一個這個可以整合的這樣的一個公司作為生產的時候我們就協助他出海落地所以這兩個方向協助他在管理上面來努力是第一個協助產業如果產業願意對\n544830\t565119\t第二個如果產業還不達到的時候國營事業會鼓勵過去嗎我們有很多種方法國營事業會不會我們不一定要國營事業過去不一定要國營事業其實那個國營事業的產品去那邊沒有辦法製造再送給再銷售給美國國營事業不一定好那接下來本席要請教農業部長\n567100\t581458\t非關稅貿易的這個障礙在當中呢你認為美方最在意的非關稅貿易障礙在你的這個主管範圍內你認為美方最在意的是什麼我們的立場又是什麼我想\n582816\t601713\t非貿易關稅障礙裡面一個非常重要的就是我們針對某一些品項做有他的進口的額度的一個限制那以現在美國所關切的稻米的部分他們是關切稻米的關稅配額內的裡面的底價的訂定我們並沒有公開\n602774\t617037\t那因為根據我們現在政府採購法我們底價是沒有公開的但是政府採購法也可以用另外一個方式我們可以採底價公開價低者得比底價越低的方式那這個部分我想我們也會做適當的調整\n618658\t643694\t您做适当的调整因为总统的说法我们要跟美国是以零关税的基础来展开敞干谈判所以我们的农产很紧张在这样的情况之下甚至有学者评估台美零关税的话会我们的稻米我们的鸡肉我们的猪我们的鲜奶会冲击非常的大到时候你要怎么样去保护我们\n644474\t665791\t比如說米如果零關稅它的價格比我們低然後它又有大量的多樣式的優勢那當然米商會很緊張我們的米的產業很緊張雞肉如果拿掉了關稅那它的價格又降下來那我們的知己率可能達不到50%雞農很緊張雞商也緊張那比如說我們的豬也是同樣的這個狀況同樣這個狀況那代表著如果\n672176\t676328\t你會在談判的當中會將這一些的條件來鬆綁嗎\n678035\t706838\t我想剛才委員所提到這些針對我們糧食安全的相關的品項的部分我想我們農業部我們會堅守我們的立場堅守立場是什麼呢會不會鬆綁我想產地的標示非常的重要安全性萊克多巴胺也非常的重要我們所有的跟美國的相關你會不會鬆綁你的立場會不會鬆綁我們的立場就是我們要穩定我們台灣的產業我們要確保我們的農民的權益在這個前提之下\n707518\t721909\t我們不會讓步就是針對這樣子好一句不會讓步我給部長說明2021年進口萊豬的時候您我們的政府對台灣豬農以及消費者的承諾那這是絕對不能棄守的\n723110\t743968\t棄守的社會也沒有辦法接受所以我要求一個資料一個資料也就是針對於如果零關稅我們衝擊這麼大的這些農產產業那你的具體措施要怎麼樣去保護他們你請書面資料給本席再請市長把書面資料給委員好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 陽泉發言 邀請兩位部長好 請郭部長跟陳部長喂吼\n兩位部長好美國總統川普宣布對等的關稅那他的這個生肖日期進入了90天的豁免的談判期那請教部長你認為你認為美國突然喊停決策的策略它的因素是什麼呢國務部長\n報告委員我想這個是他們的談判的這個手段那基本上他拋出一個這個高的這部分在美國的這個有他的自己一個做法那我們只能提因應的辦法因為大家都在對這個中間可能會發生什麼樣的變異大家都有做一些這個變異那但是因為他\n在4月9號我們有70多個國家跟他表示願意跟他談我相信他很難這個在短期間裡面就做出一個正確的判斷所以他願意跟這個希望跟他談的人在90天裡面談完這個我想是他一個最大的一個改變最大因素也就是說很難在\n這個很短的時間做正確的判斷這是郭部長你認為他這一次的轉變我的意思就是說每一個國家跟他談之間的關係是不一樣的\n所以他认为他主要还是针对中国因为中国反对他所以他就在中国加税那这样子的话他对这些其他支持他的这些国家因为跟他谈的国家当然不会说到你马上遭受到一个很大的困扰所以我想这个是他们提出一个解决的方式提出这个解决的方式就90天90天大家来慢慢谈\n好所以本席也認為這當然您所說的這個也是一個談判的技巧那也是一個因素那同時也本席也認為在美國的股票裡頭跟債券市場的壓力這個應該也是成為因素之一當然很多的因素很多的變化但是我們現在得到的答案也就是進入90天的這個\n豁免的談判期但是我認為我們最重要的就是我們必須要理清楚我們就是理清楚美國在談判的時候呢他們想要什麼那我方又是什麼樣的主張那美國財政部長呢貝森特他也特別說了因為在其他的國家這七十幾個國家的談判中涉及到一系列的議題包括了這個LNG交易\n非關稅貿易的帳壁壘貨幣政策還有補貼等等每一個國家的量身定制是通通都會有所安排所以在這邊請教部長我們預期什麼時候可以開啟談判多久可以談那麼可否可以加速 請說明\n对 国务长报告委员我认为我们的状况相对简单我们跟美国是非常友好的两个国家第二个台美在科技上面其实是完全互补的\n所以他認為這個是比較好談的所以我們也在表示我們願意跟他談其實在很早就跟他講我們願意跟他談所以我認為我們應該會在第一波談判的第一波會在三十天內會談嗎\n至於這個是不是30天或者60天或者90天我想美國有美國的判斷啦但是我們以我們所準備的程度我們都會我們希望在第一波我們在第一波的時候怎麼談越早談對我們越有利嘛我們在第二波的時候又要怎麼談這個我想我們有沙盤推演都有把這些情境來做分析然後做推演\n昨天國防會的主委也說了他說了我們是這個優先那您今天說我們應該會在第一波那我們也希望因為越早談對我們是越有利這也是賴總統在投書彭博外媒的時候他提到\n我國要將要加大對美的採購那包括了什麼 能源 工業 農業是不是要請教部長喔這個是我們的方向嗎因為昨天本席請教你的時候你說要看美國想要談什麼那我說我們也要有我們自己的主張嘛要保障我國的這個產業跟農業\n對不對好所以在這樣的情況之下本校要請教是不是總統既然投書了針對於能源工業以及農業那是不是你們兩位部長會朝這個方向這樣的項目請說明經濟部會朝這個方向經濟部那農業部呢\n我想農業部有非常多的品項也是用也是跟美國有高度互補所以在對互補性的這些農產品我們也會加大我們採購好 謝謝那再請教郭部長跟這個陳部長喔我們談判的方向項目我們確認那請教我們預估我們的金額會有多大的規模你們一定有沙盤推演啊 郭部長\n您的意思是說我們大概有多少報告委員我想這個都一直在加大隊沒採購嘛那你的金額你大概預估會有多少大概預估啦應該我們盤點政府的部分啦大概應該有2000億美金可以談啦\n兩千億美金可以談然後還沒有加上這個民間的啦政府部門大概兩千億美金就是就政府跟國營始業在未來我們可以跟他談的金額大概就是兩千億美金那這裡面是包括我們大概十年啦我們規劃十年可以買進的十年政府部門大概兩千億美金\n還沒有加上民間的所以我們現在還在整合民間可能購買的金額有多少那這樣子一包去跟他談的話可能更能夠有誘因因為政府說對美的天然氣我們採購會擴大到三成這是昨天我們得到的訊息那麼是不是如此現在方向是不是如此方向應該是這樣子\n方向是這樣子就是天然氣的部分會擴大到三成當然昨天你也談到阿拉斯加的這個天然氣的投資那請教郭部長還有其他能源的項目對美購買嗎請說說還是有啊還有有什麼項目呢\n譬如說我們在能源有很多種科技上面的能源有一些科技的能源或者是我們有很多的我們在發電上所用的發電機這些都可以跟美國購買對 這些我們都是也擴大項目\n就是我們盤點在未來十年內我們要投資的各項能源的措施包括有很多民間的這些智庫然後他們也推薦了很多新能源包括新能源\n對 都有推薦讓我們做參考我們會把這些資料整合以後提供給台灣之前您也一直在說任何的新技術的能源那麼我們都採開放的態度是不是一樣這樣的立場所以這件事本下請教總統也提到在投書當中他也提到加大投資美國那他說看到電子\n資訊以及資通這個通訊技術 能源和石化等這些領域的新商機那請教我們是不是要推動這些產業到美國投資請教如何的來投資 你規模又多大請教部長\n國務部長報告委員我跟你講這個就是我們在調整在調整方向是這樣子但是廠商廠商願不願意對跟著這個方向這個廠商做決定是但是廠商一旦決定他們願意打國家隊然後到美國去成立一個這個可以整合的這樣的一個公司作為生產的時候我們就協助他出海落地所以這兩個方向協助他在管理上面來努力是第一個協助產業如果產業願意對\n第二個如果產業還不達到的時候國營事業會鼓勵過去嗎我們有很多種方法國營事業會不會我們不一定要國營事業過去不一定要國營事業其實那個國營事業的產品去那邊沒有辦法製造再送給再銷售給美國國營事業不一定好那接下來本席要請教農業部長\n非關稅貿易的這個障礙在當中呢你認為美方最在意的非關稅貿易障礙在你的這個主管範圍內你認為美方最在意的是什麼我們的立場又是什麼我想\n非貿易關稅障礙裡面一個非常重要的就是我們針對某一些品項做有他的進口的額度的一個限制那以現在美國所關切的稻米的部分他們是關切稻米的關稅配額內的裡面的底價的訂定我們並沒有公開\n那因為根據我們現在政府採購法我們底價是沒有公開的但是政府採購法也可以用另外一個方式我們可以採底價公開價低者得比底價越低的方式那這個部分我想我們也會做適當的調整\n您做适当的调整因为总统的说法我们要跟美国是以零关税的基础来展开敞干谈判所以我们的农产很紧张在这样的情况之下甚至有学者评估台美零关税的话会我们的稻米我们的鸡肉我们的猪我们的鲜奶会冲击非常的大到时候你要怎么样去保护我们\n比如說米如果零關稅它的價格比我們低然後它又有大量的多樣式的優勢那當然米商會很緊張我們的米的產業很緊張雞肉如果拿掉了關稅那它的價格又降下來那我們的知己率可能達不到50%雞農很緊張雞商也緊張那比如說我們的豬也是同樣的這個狀況同樣這個狀況那代表著如果\n你會在談判的當中會將這一些的條件來鬆綁嗎\n我想剛才委員所提到這些針對我們糧食安全的相關的品項的部分我想我們農業部我們會堅守我們的立場堅守立場是什麼呢會不會鬆綁我想產地的標示非常的重要安全性萊克多巴胺也非常的重要我們所有的跟美國的相關你會不會鬆綁你的立場會不會鬆綁我們的立場就是我們要穩定我們台灣的產業我們要確保我們的農民的權益在這個前提之下\n我們不會讓步就是針對這樣子好一句不會讓步我給部長說明2021年進口萊豬的時候您我們的政府對台灣豬農以及消費者的承諾那這是絕對不能棄守的\n棄守的社會也沒有辦法接受所以我要求一個資料一個資料也就是針對於如果零關稅我們衝擊這麼大的這些農產產業那你的具體措施要怎麼樣去保護他們你請書面資料給本席再請市長把書面資料給委員好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.052 --> 00:10.497\n謝謝主席陽泉發言邀請兩位部長好請郭部長跟陳部長喂吼\n\n00:16.969 --> 00:37.135\n兩位部長好美國總統川普宣布對等的關稅那他的這個生肖日期進入了90天的豁免的談判期那請教部長你認為你認為美國突然喊停決策的策略它的因素是什麼呢國務部長\n\n00:39.705 --> 01:07.655\n報告委員我想這個是他們的談判的這個手段那基本上他拋出一個這個高的這部分在美國的這個有他的自己一個做法那我們只能提因應的辦法因為大家都在對這個中間可能會發生什麼樣的變異大家都有做一些這個變異那但是因為他\n\n01:08.891 --> 01:31.276\n在4月9號我們有70多個國家跟他表示願意跟他談我相信他很難這個在短期間裡面就做出一個正確的判斷所以他願意跟這個希望跟他談的人在90天裡面談完這個我想是他一個最大的一個改變最大因素也就是說很難在\n\n01:33.057 --> 01:42.327\n這個很短的時間做正確的判斷這是郭部長你認為他這一次的轉變我的意思就是說每一個國家跟他談之間的關係是不一樣的\n\n01:43.607 --> 02:12.766\n所以他认为他主要还是针对中国因为中国反对他所以他就在中国加税那这样子的话他对这些其他支持他的这些国家因为跟他谈的国家当然不会说到你马上遭受到一个很大的困扰所以我想这个是他们提出一个解决的方式提出这个解决的方式就90天90天大家来慢慢谈\n\n02:13.066 --> 02:35.094\n好所以本席也認為這當然您所說的這個也是一個談判的技巧那也是一個因素那同時也本席也認為在美國的股票裡頭跟債券市場的壓力這個應該也是成為因素之一當然很多的因素很多的變化但是我們現在得到的答案也就是進入90天的這個\n\n02:37.055 --> 02:43.960\n豁免的談判期但是我認為我們最重要的就是我們必須要理清楚我們就是理清楚美國在談判的時候呢他們想要什麼那我方又是什麼樣的主張那美國財政部長呢貝森特他也特別說了因為在其他的國家這七十幾個國家的談判中涉及到一系列的議題包括了這個LNG交易\n\n03:06.895 --> 03:18.408\n非關稅貿易的帳壁壘貨幣政策還有補貼等等每一個國家的量身定制是通通都會有所安排所以在這邊請教部長我們預期什麼時候可以開啟談判多久可以談那麼可否可以加速請說明\n\n03:28.578 --> 03:44.436\n对国务长报告委员我认为我们的状况相对简单我们跟美国是非常友好的两个国家第二个台美在科技上面其实是完全互补的\n\n03:45.117 --> 03:59.893\n所以他認為這個是比較好談的所以我們也在表示我們願意跟他談其實在很早就跟他講我們願意跟他談所以我認為我們應該會在第一波談判的第一波會在三十天內會談嗎\n\n04:01.634 --> 04:21.540\n至於這個是不是30天或者60天或者90天我想美國有美國的判斷啦但是我們以我們所準備的程度我們都會我們希望在第一波我們在第一波的時候怎麼談越早談對我們越有利嘛我們在第二波的時候又要怎麼談這個我想我們有沙盤推演都有把這些情境來做分析然後做推演\n\n04:21.860 --> 04:39.747\n昨天國防會的主委也說了他說了我們是這個優先那您今天說我們應該會在第一波那我們也希望因為越早談對我們是越有利這也是賴總統在投書彭博外媒的時候他提到\n\n04:40.527 --> 04:58.752\n我國要將要加大對美的採購那包括了什麼能源工業農業是不是要請教部長喔這個是我們的方向嗎因為昨天本席請教你的時候你說要看美國想要談什麼那我說我們也要有我們自己的主張嘛要保障我國的這個產業跟農業\n\n05:00.532 --> 05:14.026\n對不對好所以在這樣的情況之下本校要請教是不是總統既然投書了針對於能源工業以及農業那是不是你們兩位部長會朝這個方向這樣的項目請說明經濟部會朝這個方向經濟部那農業部呢\n\n05:19.810 --> 05:43.299\n我想農業部有非常多的品項也是用也是跟美國有高度互補所以在對互補性的這些農產品我們也會加大我們採購好謝謝那再請教郭部長跟這個陳部長喔我們談判的方向項目我們確認那請教我們預估我們的金額會有多大的規模你們一定有沙盤推演啊郭部長\n\n05:48.769 --> 06:05.925\n您的意思是說我們大概有多少報告委員我想這個都一直在加大隊沒採購嘛那你的金額你大概預估會有多少大概預估啦應該我們盤點政府的部分啦大概應該有2000億美金可以談啦\n\n06:06.825 --> 06:30.051\n兩千億美金可以談然後還沒有加上這個民間的啦政府部門大概兩千億美金就是就政府跟國營始業在未來我們可以跟他談的金額大概就是兩千億美金那這裡面是包括我們大概十年啦我們規劃十年可以買進的十年政府部門大概兩千億美金\n\n06:30.951 --> 06:54.619\n還沒有加上民間的所以我們現在還在整合民間可能購買的金額有多少那這樣子一包去跟他談的話可能更能夠有誘因因為政府說對美的天然氣我們採購會擴大到三成這是昨天我們得到的訊息那麼是不是如此現在方向是不是如此方向應該是這樣子\n\n06:55.899 --> 07:06.949\n方向是這樣子就是天然氣的部分會擴大到三成當然昨天你也談到阿拉斯加的這個天然氣的投資那請教郭部長還有其他能源的項目對美購買嗎請說說還是有啊還有有什麼項目呢\n\n07:12.955 --> 07:32.482\n譬如說我們在能源有很多種科技上面的能源有一些科技的能源或者是我們有很多的我們在發電上所用的發電機這些都可以跟美國購買對這些我們都是也擴大項目\n\n07:37.281 --> 07:53.388\n就是我們盤點在未來十年內我們要投資的各項能源的措施包括有很多民間的這些智庫然後他們也推薦了很多新能源包括新能源\n\n07:55.288 --> 08:19.102\n對都有推薦讓我們做參考我們會把這些資料整合以後提供給台灣之前您也一直在說任何的新技術的能源那麼我們都採開放的態度是不是一樣這樣的立場所以這件事本下請教總統也提到在投書當中他也提到加大投資美國那他說看到電子\n\n08:20.482 --> 08:34.608\n資訊以及資通這個通訊技術能源和石化等這些領域的新商機那請教我們是不是要推動這些產業到美國投資請教如何的來投資你規模又多大請教部長\n\n08:35.348 --> 09:03.089\n國務部長報告委員我跟你講這個就是我們在調整在調整方向是這樣子但是廠商廠商願不願意對跟著這個方向這個廠商做決定是但是廠商一旦決定他們願意打國家隊然後到美國去成立一個這個可以整合的這樣的一個公司作為生產的時候我們就協助他出海落地所以這兩個方向協助他在管理上面來努力是第一個協助產業如果產業願意對\n\n09:04.830 --> 09:25.119\n第二個如果產業還不達到的時候國營事業會鼓勵過去嗎我們有很多種方法國營事業會不會我們不一定要國營事業過去不一定要國營事業其實那個國營事業的產品去那邊沒有辦法製造再送給再銷售給美國國營事業不一定好那接下來本席要請教農業部長\n\n09:27.100 --> 09:41.458\n非關稅貿易的這個障礙在當中呢你認為美方最在意的非關稅貿易障礙在你的這個主管範圍內你認為美方最在意的是什麼我們的立場又是什麼我想\n\n09:42.816 --> 10:01.713\n非貿易關稅障礙裡面一個非常重要的就是我們針對某一些品項做有他的進口的額度的一個限制那以現在美國所關切的稻米的部分他們是關切稻米的關稅配額內的裡面的底價的訂定我們並沒有公開\n\n10:02.774 --> 10:17.037\n那因為根據我們現在政府採購法我們底價是沒有公開的但是政府採購法也可以用另外一個方式我們可以採底價公開價低者得比底價越低的方式那這個部分我想我們也會做適當的調整\n\n10:18.658 --> 10:43.694\n您做适当的调整因为总统的说法我们要跟美国是以零关税的基础来展开敞干谈判所以我们的农产很紧张在这样的情况之下甚至有学者评估台美零关税的话会我们的稻米我们的鸡肉我们的猪我们的鲜奶会冲击非常的大到时候你要怎么样去保护我们\n\n10:44.474 --> 11:05.791\n比如說米如果零關稅它的價格比我們低然後它又有大量的多樣式的優勢那當然米商會很緊張我們的米的產業很緊張雞肉如果拿掉了關稅那它的價格又降下來那我們的知己率可能達不到50%雞農很緊張雞商也緊張那比如說我們的豬也是同樣的這個狀況同樣這個狀況那代表著如果\n\n11:12.176 --> 11:16.328\n你會在談判的當中會將這一些的條件來鬆綁嗎\n\n11:18.035 --> 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