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00:00:47,471\n這個所有的這個情境不管就是說昨天川普又就是加了這個90天的一個緩衝期跟75個國家一樣這個也是在你的掌控中嗎這個這個我們只會想就是說可能他會他會比較放鬆一點\n\n4\n00:00:48,892 --> 00:01:07,448\n但是他會就說是三個月這個我們也沒辦法掌握所以你也認為在未來就是說在4月2號以後他講了以後這個32%那就是引起了很大的一個震撼他會再放鬆這個也是在你的一顧範圍內我是覺得因為整個他\n\n5\n00:01:08,129 --> 00:01:24,095\n因為他也事實上呢這個川普總統他也沒有想到就是說他美國他本身的那個股市呢會跌得那麼慘所以他還說他不是故意的所以很顯然他也沒有想到總裁你認為他美國的股市\n\n6\n00:01:24,975 --> 00:01:41,332\n不會跌得那麼慘川普不會認為說他的那個他一開始的時候要實施之前大家說不會啦華爾街不會有問題但是呢他實施了以後呢整個就跌了連續好幾天我覺得啦我覺得我的觀察認為呢他也緊張了\n\n7\n00:01:42,853 --> 00:01:51,740\n他很緊張所以他才會有這三個月的一個緩衝期可是我不覺得他很緊張如果他沒有很緊張的時候他不會做這樣的一個改變\n\n8\n00:01:58,891 --> 00:02:21,404\n那你的台幣會升值還是會貶值這個我剛剛還是一直在講事實上匯率呢很難是現在就是說他要升他要貶事實上是由市場來決定的由市場來決定那你有沒有就是說那會不會就是這升值貶值的時候你會不會調整你的那個外匯存底你的工具在哪裡\n\n9\n00:02:23,025 --> 00:02:40,178\n我覺得就是說調節本身就是外存體來調節所以我們這一次的我們的報告裡面我們有講到這個四個因應措施我們因應措施的主要的目的就是要來穩定我們的匯率\n\n10\n00:02:40,959 --> 00:03:05,170\n好那我可以再請教你一下嗎如果這個外匯存底的話你覺得你會調整的是美債還是就是你的那個美股我想就是說要調整當然了我想我就很密切的注意這個情勢的發展不過我有呢剛剛因為這三個在外匯存底裡頭哪一樣是佔了你的外匯存底最多你說哪一個\n\n11\n00:03:06,010 --> 00:03:21,556\n就是你的美債你的美股還有你的美金我們主要的還是美債美債多所以中國拋售大量的美債這個也是一個攻防\n\n12\n00:03:23,330 --> 00:03:27,836\n我跟委員報告市場都在說現在有一些國家開始在拋美債不過我有一個數據跟委員報告事實上前沒多久美國10年期公債是4.9%降於5%\n\n13\n00:03:40,352 --> 00:03:59,744\n那後來他就一直跌到多少跌到將近4%那現在最近我覺得說市場在宣傳就是說因為大家都在趴花趴美債所以美國公債價格就是在下跌然後到目前到昨天他是4.34.33那我們如果說來把4.332跟這個他將近這個4.9幾來比較的話這個顯然還是很低\n\n14\n00:04:08,929 --> 00:04:29,022\n還是很低所以這個一切都還是在你的掌控我覺得到目前為止我們還是密切注意謝謝你的自信也讓我們感受到一邊一國跟中共我們的經濟其實台灣跟中國就是經濟上是分開的謝謝你剛才講的話今天股市應該會好一點\n\n15\n00:04:34,718 --> 00:05:02,556\n好謝謝那我們經濟部次長那次長我想就是說在整體就是總統回應川普的一個關稅裡頭他有特別講到了就是說他有五大策略這五大策略的話其實他就是要建置一個台灣加一的一個台美最新合作的一個新的一個布局那我想就是說經濟部應該是也是快速的就是下鄉就是在各行各業的產業裡頭你們去\n\n16\n00:05:05,958 --> 00:05:33,309\n聽然後解決什麼樣的一個問題是不是有啟動了這樣子的一個那個計畫包委員我們其實現在已經開始啟動這個產業的這個座談那我想院長跟總統也都分別在本週都會陸續到這個各相關的縣市這些產業聚落去跟這個這些產業界來做一些座談了解他們的一些心聲\n\n17\n00:05:33,689 --> 00:05:53,047\n那你看我們對美出口的只要產品就是說我們在工業的部分鋼鐵運輸工具機械石化塑膠這個運動器材啪啪的還有這個醫療器材一般的化學家電這些東西我們可想而知這個狀況是會非常慘的不管就是說你是32%還是10%\n\n18\n00:05:55,529 --> 00:06:24,582\n甚至川普會改來改去現在只是有一個90天的一個喘息的一個機會那看到我們的農業更慘了這個讓我們更害怕這個蝴蝶蘭它本來就是茶葉、毛豆、吳郭魚剃頭刀、這個鱸魚點點點這些榆木產業它其實也面臨到了一個很大的一個困難所以我在這裡那個次長那個我要問一下農業部次長就是在昨天\n\n19\n00:06:25,242 --> 00:06:53,794\n在本席的一個那個選區裡頭我們的蘭花生物產業我才知道就是說我陪了那個農業部長下去座談的時候我才知道這個我們這一個園區幾乎就是掛掉了完全沒有機會他們的訂單全部都是被退了蝴蝶蘭的訂單全部都被退了所以問題不是說我們在金融上的補助他們多少甚至就是說我們去給他降稅還是說我們就是免收他們的一個租金\n\n20\n00:06:54,494 --> 00:07:03,284\n其實他們面臨到的是一個長期的競爭力你看荷蘭到美國去設種苗廠結果我們台灣還是處在這一個地方那怎麼辦呢\n\n21\n00:07:10,511 --> 00:07:29,217\n非常謝謝委員委員長期關切農業特別是在我們這個蝴蝶蘭園區這一塊很關心也給我們一些建議那謝謝昨天經過這樣子的座談其實我覺得是雙向的第一個是我們跟業者講說我們有哪些措施第二個是我們真的是聽到業者跟我們講說還有哪些可以繼續來做\n\n22\n00:07:30,517 --> 00:07:34,240\n農業其實不是只有成品,不是說那種蘭花有營養,從品苗、從栽培、從整個過程總培到可以到末端,18個月,這18個月訂單全部都是被抽回他們本來的訂單是排了三年了,所以我覺得跨國的蘭花國家隊\n\n23\n00:07:53,353 --> 00:08:08,079\n一定要快速促成要趕快來佈局不然從此以後台灣的蝴蝶蘭在全世界就不見了要提早佈局啦快點來處理這些事情謝謝我的稻米呢我的雞啦我的豬啦這個有沒有什麼樣的一個辦法\n\n24\n00:08:09,700 --> 00:08:31,263\n市長有沒有提出一個什麼樣的一個辦法你看美國那個農產品的零關稅對台灣的農業它是一個很壞很壞的一個影響你知道台灣人都愛吃米台灣人已經關心吃最好的米在未來如果美國米進來的時候那台灣米怎麼辦那我們台灣的\n\n25\n00:08:32,788 --> 00:08:56,525\n雞肉豬肉怎麼辦市長我相信你是在這個農業上的一個前衛你也非常清楚知道就是說台灣豬跟美國豬當然吃起來的口感是完全不一樣那如果在未來台灣的全體就是我們國人的味蕾要做了很大的一個轉變的時候那該怎麼辦有沒有比較好的一個想法\n\n26\n00:08:57,646 --> 00:09:12,265\n應該這樣說啦其實不管是怎麼樣的談判結果就農業部立場保護我們的農業絕對是優先這是第一點第二點其實美國的米跟美國的豬現在也都有台灣來但是消費者選擇就是還是喜歡台灣的米喜歡台灣的豬所以再加上這樣講\n\n27\n00:09:13,426 --> 00:09:29,540\n現在的那個就是進口的豬跟雞那個數量是非常少的你要去面對問題啊你不可以講這樣的話所以將來再選擇做在談判上面一定有一些是我們一定要保護的那你準備好了嗎我想這就是我們的立場一定先優先保護對我們怎麼樣保護呢\n\n28\n00:09:32,162 --> 00:09:56,868\n在關稅談判本來就是沒有說一定全部要變零是從零開始不是全部變零在未來的談判裡頭我們的農業一定是被犧牲的絕對是被犧牲的其實他是一併一個國家來討論啊你這個半導體顯然看起來的時候他有一個人道的一個政策的一個什麼那個保護啊現在就是農業最慘啊你沒有發現到站在這裡就是你最慘了\n\n29\n00:09:58,534 --> 00:10:22,153\n妳沒有感受到嗎也謝謝委員支持啦我想其實整個行政團隊跟談判團隊都知道台灣農業很重要會盡量來爭取所以我想說我希望就是說這個農業部在兩週內就針對了川普關稅的影響的農產品還有生產的一個聚落提供給我們更多的一個詳細的一個評估還有分析的一個\n\n30\n00:10:22,853 --> 00:10:41,677\n那個資料這個資料非常的重要就是你的出口的額度還有你的占比還有你競爭的對手國這個其實都是我們必須要快速去那個彙整的不然在這一波裡頭我覺得台灣的農業也會消失掉這個是我非常擔心的好\n\n31\n00:10:42,838 --> 00:11:11,181\n那我想就是說在這裡在針對的就是說電子零件的一個組合經濟部長我在這裡就是特別在提醒你就是說其實在這個台南裡頭我們的電子零件的組合金屬還有就是化學化學製品塑膠橡膠成品這幾個在台南佔的是一個非常非常重要的一個那個產業的一個生產的一個基地所以我們需要你們更多的一個協助更多的一個幫忙\n\n32\n00:11:11,681 --> 00:11:36,144\n好不好在這裡還特別提到了我想就是美國經濟的一個解放日就是連這個席產地川普都注意到了你看他企鵝他也不要他連企鵝這些都沒有人住的地方他也不放過所以我們不要低估了低估了就是川普這一次他要應用各種手法\n\n33\n00:11:36,684 --> 00:11:44,049\n他要美國再一次的一個偉大這個計畫其實是都讓我們必須要加緊來處理各種的一個問題謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n890\t4554\t總裁 還有財政部部長 經濟部 農業部次長經濟部的副次長 農業部的杜次長是 總裁 早安 總裁你這幾天\n16708\t28682\t睡的怎麼樣?睡眠品質好不好?都還可以所以都是在你的掌握當中?當然我們就是密切的注意\n32085\t47471\t這個所有的這個情境不管就是說昨天川普又就是加了這個90天的一個緩衝期跟75個國家一樣這個也是在你的掌控中嗎這個這個我們只會想就是說可能他會他會比較放鬆一點\n48892\t67448\t但是他會就說是三個月這個我們也沒辦法掌握所以你也認為在未來就是說在4月2號以後他講了以後這個32%那就是引起了很大的一個震撼他會再放鬆這個也是在你的一顧範圍內我是覺得因為整個他\n68129\t84095\t因為他也事實上呢這個川普總統他也沒有想到就是說他美國他本身的那個股市呢會跌得那麼慘所以他還說他不是故意的所以很顯然他也沒有想到總裁你認為他美國的股市\n84975\t101332\t不會跌得那麼慘 川普不會認為說他的那個他一開始的時候要實施之前 大家說不會啦 華爾街不會有問題但是呢 他實施了以後呢 整個就跌了連續好幾天我覺得啦 我覺得我的觀察 認為呢 他也緊張了\n102853\t111740\t他很緊張所以他才會有這三個月的一個緩衝期可是我不覺得他很緊張如果他沒有很緊張的時候他不會做這樣的一個改變\n118891\t141404\t那你的台幣會升值還是會貶值這個我剛剛還是一直在講事實上匯率呢很難是現在就是說他要升他要貶事實上是由市場來決定的由市場來決定那你有沒有就是說那會不會就是這升值貶值的時候你會不會調整你的那個外匯存底你的工具在哪裡\n143025\t160178\t我覺得就是說調節本身就是外存體來調節所以我們這一次的我們的報告裡面我們有講到這個四個因應措施我們因應措施的主要的目的就是要來穩定我們的匯率\n160959\t185170\t好那我可以再請教你一下嗎如果這個外匯存底的話你覺得你會調整的是美債還是就是你的那個美股我想就是說要調整當然了我想我就很密切的注意這個情勢的發展不過我有呢剛剛因為這三個在外匯存底裡頭哪一樣是佔了你的外匯存底最多你說哪一個\n186010\t201556\t就是你的美債 你的美股 還有你的美金我們主要的還是美債美債多所以中國拋售大量的美債這個也是一個攻防\n203330\t207836\t我跟委員報告市場都在說現在有一些國家開始在拋美債不過我有一個數據跟委員報告事實上前沒多久美國10年期公債是4.9%降於5%\n220352\t239744\t那後來他就一直跌到多少跌到將近4%那現在最近我覺得說市場在宣傳就是說因為大家都在趴花趴美債所以美國公債價格就是在下跌然後到目前到昨天他是4.3 4.33那我們如果說來把4.332跟這個他將近這個4.9幾來比較的話這個顯然還是很低\n248929\t269022\t還是很低所以這個一切都還是在你的掌控我覺得到目前為止我們還是密切注意謝謝你的自信也讓我們感受到一邊一國跟中共我們的經濟其實台灣跟中國就是經濟上是分開的謝謝你剛才講的話今天股市應該會好一點\n274718\t302556\t好謝謝那我們經濟部次長那次長我想就是說在整體就是總統回應川普的一個關稅裡頭他有特別講到了就是說他有五大策略這五大策略的話其實他就是要建置一個台灣加一的一個台美最新合作的一個新的一個布局那我想就是說經濟部應該是也是快速的就是下鄉就是在各行各業的產業裡頭你們去\n305958\t333309\t聽然後解決什麼樣的一個問題是不是有啟動了這樣子的一個那個計畫包委員我們其實現在已經開始啟動這個產業的這個座談那我想院長跟總統也都分別在本週都會陸續到這個各相關的縣市這些產業聚落去跟這個這些產業界來做一些座談了解他們的一些心聲\n333689\t353047\t那你看我們對美出口的只要產品就是說我們在工業的部分鋼鐵 運輸工具 機械石化 塑膠這個運動器材啪啪的還有這個醫療器材一般的化學 家電這些東西我們可想而知這個狀況是會非常慘的不管就是說你是32%還是10%\n355529\t384582\t甚至川普會改來改去現在只是有一個90天的一個喘息的一個機會那看到我們的農業更慘了這個讓我們更害怕這個蝴蝶蘭它本來就是茶葉、毛豆、吳郭魚剃頭刀、這個鱸魚點點點這些榆木產業它其實也面臨到了一個很大的一個困難所以我在這裡那個次長那個我要問一下農業部次長就是在昨天\n385242\t413794\t在本席的一個那個選區裡頭我們的蘭花生物產業我才知道就是說我陪了那個農業部長下去座談的時候我才知道這個我們這一個園區幾乎就是掛掉了完全沒有機會他們的訂單全部都是被退了蝴蝶蘭的訂單全部都被退了所以問題不是說我們在金融上的補助他們多少甚至就是說我們去給他降稅還是說我們就是免收他們的一個租金\n414494\t423284\t其實他們面臨到的是一個長期的競爭力你看荷蘭到美國去設種苗廠結果我們台灣還是處在這一個地方那怎麼辦呢\n430511\t449217\t非常謝謝委員 委員長期關切農業特別是在我們這個蝴蝶蘭園區這一塊很關心 也給我們一些建議那謝謝昨天經過這樣子的座談 其實我覺得是雙向的第一個是我們跟業者講說我們有哪些措施第二個是我們真的是聽到業者跟我們講說還有哪些可以繼續來做\n450517\t454240\t農業其實不是只有成品,不是說那種蘭花有營養,從品苗、從栽培、從整個過程總培到可以到末端,18個月,這18個月訂單全部都是被抽回他們本來的訂單是排了三年了,所以我覺得跨國的蘭花國家隊\n473353\t488079\t一定要快速促成要趕快來佈局不然從此以後台灣的蝴蝶蘭在全世界就不見了要提早佈局啦快點來處理這些事情謝謝我的稻米呢我的雞啦我的豬啦這個有沒有什麼樣的一個辦法\n489700\t511263\t市長有沒有提出一個什麼樣的一個辦法你看美國那個農產品的零關稅對台灣的農業它是一個很壞很壞的一個影響你知道台灣人都愛吃米台灣人已經關心吃最好的米在未來如果美國米進來的時候那台灣米怎麼辦那我們台灣的\n512788\t536525\t雞肉豬肉怎麼辦市長我相信你是在這個農業上的一個前衛你也非常清楚知道就是說台灣豬跟美國豬當然吃起來的口感是完全不一樣那如果在未來台灣的全體就是我們國人的味蕾要做了很大的一個轉變的時候那該怎麼辦有沒有比較好的一個想法\n537646\t552265\t應該這樣說啦其實不管是怎麼樣的談判結果就農業部立場保護我們的農業絕對是優先這是第一點第二點其實美國的米跟美國的豬現在也都有台灣來但是消費者選擇就是還是喜歡台灣的米喜歡台灣的豬所以再加上這樣講\n553426\t569540\t現在的那個就是進口的豬跟雞那個數量是非常少的你要去面對問題啊你不可以講這樣的話所以將來再選擇做在談判上面一定有一些是我們一定要保護的那你準備好了嗎我想這就是我們的立場一定先優先保護對我們怎麼樣保護呢\n572162\t596868\t在關稅談判本來就是沒有說一定全部要變零是從零開始不是全部變零在未來的談判裡頭我們的農業一定是被犧牲的絕對是被犧牲的其實他是一併一個國家來討論啊你這個半導體顯然看起來的時候他有一個人道的一個政策的一個什麼那個保護啊現在就是農業最慘啊你沒有發現到站在這裡就是你最慘了\n598534\t622153\t妳沒有感受到嗎也謝謝委員支持啦我想其實整個行政團隊跟談判團隊都知道台灣農業很重要會盡量來爭取所以我想說我希望就是說這個農業部在兩週內就針對了川普關稅的影響的農產品還有生產的一個聚落提供給我們更多的一個詳細的一個評估還有分析的一個\n622853\t641677\t那個資料這個資料非常的重要就是你的出口的額度還有你的占比還有你競爭的對手國這個其實都是我們必須要快速去那個彙整的不然在這一波裡頭我覺得台灣的農業也會消失掉這個是我非常擔心的好\n642838\t671181\t那我想就是說在這裡在針對的就是說電子零件的一個組合經濟部長我在這裡就是特別在提醒你就是說其實在這個台南裡頭我們的電子零件的組合金屬還有就是化學化學製品塑膠橡膠成品這幾個在台南佔的是一個非常非常重要的一個那個產業的一個生產的一個基地所以我們需要你們更多的一個協助更多的一個幫忙\n671681\t696144\t好不好在這裡還特別提到了我想就是美國經濟的一個解放日就是連這個席產地川普都注意到了你看他企鵝他也不要他連企鵝這些都沒有人住的地方他也不放過所以我們不要低估了低估了就是川普這一次他要應用各種手法\n696684\t704049\t他要美國再一次的一個偉大這個計畫其實是都讓我們必須要加緊來處理各種的一個問題謝謝\n","txt":"總裁 還有財政部部長 經濟部 農業部次長經濟部的副次長 農業部的杜次長是 總裁 早安 總裁你這幾天\n睡的怎麼樣?睡眠品質好不好?都還可以所以都是在你的掌握當中?當然我們就是密切的注意\n這個所有的這個情境不管就是說昨天川普又就是加了這個90天的一個緩衝期跟75個國家一樣這個也是在你的掌控中嗎這個這個我們只會想就是說可能他會他會比較放鬆一點\n但是他會就說是三個月這個我們也沒辦法掌握所以你也認為在未來就是說在4月2號以後他講了以後這個32%那就是引起了很大的一個震撼他會再放鬆這個也是在你的一顧範圍內我是覺得因為整個他\n因為他也事實上呢這個川普總統他也沒有想到就是說他美國他本身的那個股市呢會跌得那麼慘所以他還說他不是故意的所以很顯然他也沒有想到總裁你認為他美國的股市\n不會跌得那麼慘 川普不會認為說他的那個他一開始的時候要實施之前 大家說不會啦 華爾街不會有問題但是呢 他實施了以後呢 整個就跌了連續好幾天我覺得啦 我覺得我的觀察 認為呢 他也緊張了\n他很緊張所以他才會有這三個月的一個緩衝期可是我不覺得他很緊張如果他沒有很緊張的時候他不會做這樣的一個改變\n那你的台幣會升值還是會貶值這個我剛剛還是一直在講事實上匯率呢很難是現在就是說他要升他要貶事實上是由市場來決定的由市場來決定那你有沒有就是說那會不會就是這升值貶值的時候你會不會調整你的那個外匯存底你的工具在哪裡\n我覺得就是說調節本身就是外存體來調節所以我們這一次的我們的報告裡面我們有講到這個四個因應措施我們因應措施的主要的目的就是要來穩定我們的匯率\n好那我可以再請教你一下嗎如果這個外匯存底的話你覺得你會調整的是美債還是就是你的那個美股我想就是說要調整當然了我想我就很密切的注意這個情勢的發展不過我有呢剛剛因為這三個在外匯存底裡頭哪一樣是佔了你的外匯存底最多你說哪一個\n就是你的美債 你的美股 還有你的美金我們主要的還是美債美債多所以中國拋售大量的美債這個也是一個攻防\n我跟委員報告市場都在說現在有一些國家開始在拋美債不過我有一個數據跟委員報告事實上前沒多久美國10年期公債是4.9%降於5%\n那後來他就一直跌到多少跌到將近4%那現在最近我覺得說市場在宣傳就是說因為大家都在趴花趴美債所以美國公債價格就是在下跌然後到目前到昨天他是4.3 4.33那我們如果說來把4.332跟這個他將近這個4.9幾來比較的話這個顯然還是很低\n還是很低所以這個一切都還是在你的掌控我覺得到目前為止我們還是密切注意謝謝你的自信也讓我們感受到一邊一國跟中共我們的經濟其實台灣跟中國就是經濟上是分開的謝謝你剛才講的話今天股市應該會好一點\n好謝謝那我們經濟部次長那次長我想就是說在整體就是總統回應川普的一個關稅裡頭他有特別講到了就是說他有五大策略這五大策略的話其實他就是要建置一個台灣加一的一個台美最新合作的一個新的一個布局那我想就是說經濟部應該是也是快速的就是下鄉就是在各行各業的產業裡頭你們去\n聽然後解決什麼樣的一個問題是不是有啟動了這樣子的一個那個計畫包委員我們其實現在已經開始啟動這個產業的這個座談那我想院長跟總統也都分別在本週都會陸續到這個各相關的縣市這些產業聚落去跟這個這些產業界來做一些座談了解他們的一些心聲\n那你看我們對美出口的只要產品就是說我們在工業的部分鋼鐵 運輸工具 機械石化 塑膠這個運動器材啪啪的還有這個醫療器材一般的化學 家電這些東西我們可想而知這個狀況是會非常慘的不管就是說你是32%還是10%\n甚至川普會改來改去現在只是有一個90天的一個喘息的一個機會那看到我們的農業更慘了這個讓我們更害怕這個蝴蝶蘭它本來就是茶葉、毛豆、吳郭魚剃頭刀、這個鱸魚點點點這些榆木產業它其實也面臨到了一個很大的一個困難所以我在這裡那個次長那個我要問一下農業部次長就是在昨天\n在本席的一個那個選區裡頭我們的蘭花生物產業我才知道就是說我陪了那個農業部長下去座談的時候我才知道這個我們這一個園區幾乎就是掛掉了完全沒有機會他們的訂單全部都是被退了蝴蝶蘭的訂單全部都被退了所以問題不是說我們在金融上的補助他們多少甚至就是說我們去給他降稅還是說我們就是免收他們的一個租金\n其實他們面臨到的是一個長期的競爭力你看荷蘭到美國去設種苗廠結果我們台灣還是處在這一個地方那怎麼辦呢\n非常謝謝委員 委員長期關切農業特別是在我們這個蝴蝶蘭園區這一塊很關心 也給我們一些建議那謝謝昨天經過這樣子的座談 其實我覺得是雙向的第一個是我們跟業者講說我們有哪些措施第二個是我們真的是聽到業者跟我們講說還有哪些可以繼續來做\n農業其實不是只有成品,不是說那種蘭花有營養,從品苗、從栽培、從整個過程總培到可以到末端,18個月,這18個月訂單全部都是被抽回他們本來的訂單是排了三年了,所以我覺得跨國的蘭花國家隊\n一定要快速促成要趕快來佈局不然從此以後台灣的蝴蝶蘭在全世界就不見了要提早佈局啦快點來處理這些事情謝謝我的稻米呢我的雞啦我的豬啦這個有沒有什麼樣的一個辦法\n市長有沒有提出一個什麼樣的一個辦法你看美國那個農產品的零關稅對台灣的農業它是一個很壞很壞的一個影響你知道台灣人都愛吃米台灣人已經關心吃最好的米在未來如果美國米進來的時候那台灣米怎麼辦那我們台灣的\n雞肉豬肉怎麼辦市長我相信你是在這個農業上的一個前衛你也非常清楚知道就是說台灣豬跟美國豬當然吃起來的口感是完全不一樣那如果在未來台灣的全體就是我們國人的味蕾要做了很大的一個轉變的時候那該怎麼辦有沒有比較好的一個想法\n應該這樣說啦其實不管是怎麼樣的談判結果就農業部立場保護我們的農業絕對是優先這是第一點第二點其實美國的米跟美國的豬現在也都有台灣來但是消費者選擇就是還是喜歡台灣的米喜歡台灣的豬所以再加上這樣講\n現在的那個就是進口的豬跟雞那個數量是非常少的你要去面對問題啊你不可以講這樣的話所以將來再選擇做在談判上面一定有一些是我們一定要保護的那你準備好了嗎我想這就是我們的立場一定先優先保護對我們怎麼樣保護呢\n在關稅談判本來就是沒有說一定全部要變零是從零開始不是全部變零在未來的談判裡頭我們的農業一定是被犧牲的絕對是被犧牲的其實他是一併一個國家來討論啊你這個半導體顯然看起來的時候他有一個人道的一個政策的一個什麼那個保護啊現在就是農業最慘啊你沒有發現到站在這裡就是你最慘了\n妳沒有感受到嗎也謝謝委員支持啦我想其實整個行政團隊跟談判團隊都知道台灣農業很重要會盡量來爭取所以我想說我希望就是說這個農業部在兩週內就針對了川普關稅的影響的農產品還有生產的一個聚落提供給我們更多的一個詳細的一個評估還有分析的一個\n那個資料這個資料非常的重要就是你的出口的額度還有你的占比還有你競爭的對手國這個其實都是我們必須要快速去那個彙整的不然在這一波裡頭我覺得台灣的農業也會消失掉這個是我非常擔心的好\n那我想就是說在這裡在針對的就是說電子零件的一個組合經濟部長我在這裡就是特別在提醒你就是說其實在這個台南裡頭我們的電子零件的組合金屬還有就是化學化學製品塑膠橡膠成品這幾個在台南佔的是一個非常非常重要的一個那個產業的一個生產的一個基地所以我們需要你們更多的一個協助更多的一個幫忙\n好不好在這裡還特別提到了我想就是美國經濟的一個解放日就是連這個席產地川普都注意到了你看他企鵝他也不要他連企鵝這些都沒有人住的地方他也不放過所以我們不要低估了低估了就是川普這一次他要應用各種手法\n他要美國再一次的一個偉大這個計畫其實是都讓我們必須要加緊來處理各種的一個問題謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.890 --> 00:04.554\n總裁還有財政部部長經濟部農業部次長經濟部的副次長農業部的杜次長是總裁早安總裁你這幾天\n\n00:16.708 --> 00:28.682\n睡的怎麼樣?睡眠品質好不好?都還可以所以都是在你的掌握當中?當然我們就是密切的注意\n\n00:32.085 --> 00:47.471\n這個所有的這個情境不管就是說昨天川普又就是加了這個90天的一個緩衝期跟75個國家一樣這個也是在你的掌控中嗎這個這個我們只會想就是說可能他會他會比較放鬆一點\n\n00:48.892 --> 01:07.448\n但是他會就說是三個月這個我們也沒辦法掌握所以你也認為在未來就是說在4月2號以後他講了以後這個32%那就是引起了很大的一個震撼他會再放鬆這個也是在你的一顧範圍內我是覺得因為整個他\n\n01:08.129 --> 01:24.095\n因為他也事實上呢這個川普總統他也沒有想到就是說他美國他本身的那個股市呢會跌得那麼慘所以他還說他不是故意的所以很顯然他也沒有想到總裁你認為他美國的股市\n\n01:24.975 --> 01:41.332\n不會跌得那麼慘川普不會認為說他的那個他一開始的時候要實施之前大家說不會啦華爾街不會有問題但是呢他實施了以後呢整個就跌了連續好幾天我覺得啦我覺得我的觀察認為呢他也緊張了\n\n01:42.853 --> 01:51.740\n他很緊張所以他才會有這三個月的一個緩衝期可是我不覺得他很緊張如果他沒有很緊張的時候他不會做這樣的一個改變\n\n01:58.891 --> 02:21.404\n那你的台幣會升值還是會貶值這個我剛剛還是一直在講事實上匯率呢很難是現在就是說他要升他要貶事實上是由市場來決定的由市場來決定那你有沒有就是說那會不會就是這升值貶值的時候你會不會調整你的那個外匯存底你的工具在哪裡\n\n02:23.025 --> 02:40.178\n我覺得就是說調節本身就是外存體來調節所以我們這一次的我們的報告裡面我們有講到這個四個因應措施我們因應措施的主要的目的就是要來穩定我們的匯率\n\n02:40.959 --> 03:05.170\n好那我可以再請教你一下嗎如果這個外匯存底的話你覺得你會調整的是美債還是就是你的那個美股我想就是說要調整當然了我想我就很密切的注意這個情勢的發展不過我有呢剛剛因為這三個在外匯存底裡頭哪一樣是佔了你的外匯存底最多你說哪一個\n\n03:06.010 --> 03:21.556\n就是你的美債你的美股還有你的美金我們主要的還是美債美債多所以中國拋售大量的美債這個也是一個攻防\n\n03:23.330 --> 03:27.836\n我跟委員報告市場都在說現在有一些國家開始在拋美債不過我有一個數據跟委員報告事實上前沒多久美國10年期公債是4.9%降於5%\n\n03:40.352 --> 03:59.744\n那後來他就一直跌到多少跌到將近4%那現在最近我覺得說市場在宣傳就是說因為大家都在趴花趴美債所以美國公債價格就是在下跌然後到目前到昨天他是4.34.33那我們如果說來把4.332跟這個他將近這個4.9幾來比較的話這個顯然還是很低\n\n04:08.929 --> 04:29.022\n還是很低所以這個一切都還是在你的掌控我覺得到目前為止我們還是密切注意謝謝你的自信也讓我們感受到一邊一國跟中共我們的經濟其實台灣跟中國就是經濟上是分開的謝謝你剛才講的話今天股市應該會好一點\n\n04:34.718 --> 05:02.556\n好謝謝那我們經濟部次長那次長我想就是說在整體就是總統回應川普的一個關稅裡頭他有特別講到了就是說他有五大策略這五大策略的話其實他就是要建置一個台灣加一的一個台美最新合作的一個新的一個布局那我想就是說經濟部應該是也是快速的就是下鄉就是在各行各業的產業裡頭你們去\n\n05:05.958 --> 05:33.309\n聽然後解決什麼樣的一個問題是不是有啟動了這樣子的一個那個計畫包委員我們其實現在已經開始啟動這個產業的這個座談那我想院長跟總統也都分別在本週都會陸續到這個各相關的縣市這些產業聚落去跟這個這些產業界來做一些座談了解他們的一些心聲\n\n05:33.689 --> 05:53.047\n那你看我們對美出口的只要產品就是說我們在工業的部分鋼鐵運輸工具機械石化塑膠這個運動器材啪啪的還有這個醫療器材一般的化學家電這些東西我們可想而知這個狀況是會非常慘的不管就是說你是32%還是10%\n\n05:55.529 --> 06:24.582\n甚至川普會改來改去現在只是有一個90天的一個喘息的一個機會那看到我們的農業更慘了這個讓我們更害怕這個蝴蝶蘭它本來就是茶葉、毛豆、吳郭魚剃頭刀、這個鱸魚點點點這些榆木產業它其實也面臨到了一個很大的一個困難所以我在這裡那個次長那個我要問一下農業部次長就是在昨天\n\n06:25.242 --> 06:53.794\n在本席的一個那個選區裡頭我們的蘭花生物產業我才知道就是說我陪了那個農業部長下去座談的時候我才知道這個我們這一個園區幾乎就是掛掉了完全沒有機會他們的訂單全部都是被退了蝴蝶蘭的訂單全部都被退了所以問題不是說我們在金融上的補助他們多少甚至就是說我們去給他降稅還是說我們就是免收他們的一個租金\n\n06:54.494 --> 07:03.284\n其實他們面臨到的是一個長期的競爭力你看荷蘭到美國去設種苗廠結果我們台灣還是處在這一個地方那怎麼辦呢\n\n07:10.511 --> 07:29.217\n非常謝謝委員委員長期關切農業特別是在我們這個蝴蝶蘭園區這一塊很關心也給我們一些建議那謝謝昨天經過這樣子的座談其實我覺得是雙向的第一個是我們跟業者講說我們有哪些措施第二個是我們真的是聽到業者跟我們講說還有哪些可以繼續來做\n\n07:30.517 --> 07:34.240\n農業其實不是只有成品,不是說那種蘭花有營養,從品苗、從栽培、從整個過程總培到可以到末端,18個月,這18個月訂單全部都是被抽回他們本來的訂單是排了三年了,所以我覺得跨國的蘭花國家隊\n\n07:53.353 --> 08:08.079\n一定要快速促成要趕快來佈局不然從此以後台灣的蝴蝶蘭在全世界就不見了要提早佈局啦快點來處理這些事情謝謝我的稻米呢我的雞啦我的豬啦這個有沒有什麼樣的一個辦法\n\n08:09.700 --> 08:31.263\n市長有沒有提出一個什麼樣的一個辦法你看美國那個農產品的零關稅對台灣的農業它是一個很壞很壞的一個影響你知道台灣人都愛吃米台灣人已經關心吃最好的米在未來如果美國米進來的時候那台灣米怎麼辦那我們台灣的\n\n08:32.788 --> 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三) 本院委員林思銘等20 人擬具「納稅者權利保護法第七條及第二十一條條文修正草\n案」案、( 四) 本院委員林思銘等18 人擬具「納稅者權利保護法第二十一條條文修正草案」案；\n三、審查「加值型及非加值型營業稅法」 8 案： ( 一 ) 本院委員鍾佳濱等 18 人、委員鍾佳濱等 23\n人、委員郭國文等17人分別擬具「加值型及非加值型營業稅法部分條文修正草案」等 3案、(二)\n本院委員陳超明等18人、委員邱志偉等16人分別擬具「加值型及非加值型營業稅法第八條條文修\n正草案」等2案、(三)本院委員賴士葆等25人、委員顏寬恒等16人分別擬具「加值型及非加值型\n營業稅法第十三條條文修正草案」等2案、(四)本院委員賴士葆等22人擬具「加值型及非加值型\n營業稅法第五十八條條文修正草案」案","agenda_id":"1143601_00006"}}}