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00:00:33,582\n您好關於昨天的質詢我們在調查的過程當中因為外交部剛好有兩位同名同姓之人那導致我們誤植其中一位常任文官的照片以及職位那造成當事人的困擾因此在這裡我要先向外交部以及該常任文官以及何先生和他的家人表達最深的歉意\n\n3\n00:00:35,293 --> 00:00:51,287\n那昨天呢我也向林佳龍部長就此事聯繫那清楚的表達我的歉意同時我也希望國安局針對林部長所說的偵查中的另外一起的案件同名同姓的政治幕僚吳先生能夠\n\n4\n00:00:52,408 --> 00:01:18,177\n盡快的為所謂的共諜案能夠盡快水落石出但是呢我想是這樣子的就是我說錯的人呢就是說錯的人那誤用了他的照片呢我感到非常的抱歉所以在此呢也向您以及這個何先生及其家屬再次的表達歉意那我今天主要跟您談論的是川普的這個關稅政策所以我們也請這個經濟部一起上來\n\n5\n00:01:19,028 --> 00:01:31,061\n那部長我們看到這次川普政府緩徵關稅90天等於我們有多了90天的時間來說服美方來降低或取消32%的關稅對我們來說其實是一件很好的事情\n\n6\n00:01:34,545 --> 00:02:03,478\n尤其昨天還看到了史無前例的是川普總統他在這個宣布政策之前他就發布說的Thisisagreattimetobuy所以我們以前都只聽過內線交易那我們第一次看到這個外線交易所以我們今天看到台股能夠翻紅我們都覺得非常的開心但這個情況能夠實施多久能夠維持多久這都端看我們外交部以及經濟部的努力\n\n7\n00:02:04,178 --> 00:02:18,237\n那能夠延遲90天讓國家暫時脫離險境但是我們也注意到其實中國被美國苛徵125%的關稅那他們今天的股票仍然是上漲的那這點我們也應該要去注意到\n\n8\n00:02:19,138 --> 00:02:41,768\n特別想要問經濟部就是川普他們暫緩及日期各國的32%的這個像我們的32%的稅率剩下各國適用的10%的稅率事實上比原本我們跟美國之間課的稅率還是比較高的那呢仍然會對產業造成影響在這方面我們是否仍然會持續對產業進行協助甚至補貼\n\n9\n00:02:45,169 --> 00:03:08,498\n是谢谢委员的指教其实我们政府有提出这个因应美国关税的产业资源的方案从不同的面向那刚才行政院院会已经通过这个产业资源方案措施不变而且要请院长有才事要请相关的部会要尽速的研拟措施我们在4月14号会对外正式的公布\n\n10\n00:03:08,638 --> 00:03:24,045\n那請問一下先前行政院所提出的880億的支持出口供應鏈的方案仍然是以880億的規模持續進行嗎沒錯是的那也會提出特別條例嗎會的好的那呢因為現在的這個關稅那\n\n11\n00:03:27,486 --> 00:03:38,798\n除了之前我們講到的這個基本關稅之外先前美國有針對全球產業的特定的部分關稅例如像是鋼鐵業等等的那請問這也包含在這個90天的暫停範圍之內嗎\n\n12\n00:03:43,763 --> 00:04:02,388\n沒有鋼鐵業還是維持所以那我想要請問一下除了這個基本關稅的10%以及加徵的32%之外還有哪一些部分是它是特定的產業仍然有比較高的關稅有哪一些產業是如此的\n\n13\n00:04:02,848 --> 00:04:27,118\n是百分之三十二這個已經我們了解改為百分之十一就是延長延長對除了這個以外呢有鋼鋁的關稅是百分之二十五但是跟委員報告我們先前呢就蘇美的話就是百分之二十五所以現在變成跟其他的國家齊頭的都是百分之二十五那還有其他的產業\n\n14\n00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:52,710\n對,還有汽車產業,汽車產業還是維持25%的關稅汽車產業維持25%的關稅還有就是美國對我們的課徵嘛,對不對?就是基本的MFN的稅率那原本美國對我們的課徵的稅率是多少?看各個產業不同,資通訊產業化是零關稅沒有,我剛剛問的是汽車的部分汽車大概,看不同的零件大概20%\n\n15\n00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:11,314\n20左右25所以25的部分也是沒有變動的嗎對沒有變動的那有具體變動的還有哪一些你們可以幫我們大家就是民眾很想知道就是說呢我們所謂的這一些\n\n16\n00:05:12,996 --> 00:05:23,505\n針對全球產業的部分關稅不包含在百分之三十二裡面的有沒有其他的產業是有高於原本的關稅這個部分就是鋼鋁還有汽車產業因為他們本來就都一樣嘛一樣的我們就不談了那有高於的汽車產業\n\n17\n00:05:31,652 --> 00:05:44,862\n汽車產業您剛剛說25%現在也是25%的話那是沒有高於啊所以是不是請補充一下相關的資訊讓我們國人知道有增加的部分大概是哪一些報告委員川普總統總統曾經有說過可能會對藥品半導體\n\n18\n00:05:49,966 --> 00:06:10,900\n還有同志品可能會加增關稅到目前為止並沒有這樣的訊息所以可能會有這幾樣那未來呢即便是在32%的關稅延長的狀態之下仍然會另外剋稅的可能性就是你們不排除的嘛那我們現在呢雙方已經都在交換資訊就請那個外交部來回答\n\n19\n00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:21,017\n那呢台灣不只是關稅談判還有對美的投資採購等等的我想要問一下我們這次的談判小組的成員有哪一些人來組成\n\n20\n00:06:22,540 --> 00:06:43,490\n那麼現在據我們已經公布的就是由這個行政院副院長姓立軍副院長領隊那其他的這個成員我想都可以想像得到那外交部在裡面是擔任什麼樣的一個角色我們主要是說我們掌握相關的這個管道那麼我們同時每處也隨時會把相關的訊息能夠這個傳遞回來台灣\n\n21\n00:06:46,852 --> 00:06:50,576\n我們對美關稅談判的首席代表是鄭麗君女士嗎這一次特別的是由這個政院宣布是由這個鄭副院長來在領銜的部分那請問他已經出訪或是聯繫美方了嗎\n\n22\n00:07:08,915 --> 00:07:19,891\n這我們不便透露因為就是說包括這個第一個說昨天的他人還在國內嘛對不對新聞報導是如此寫的如果不對的話可以告訴我們讓我們能夠刊物\n\n23\n00:07:20,935 --> 00:07:38,036\n報告委員這個我們沒有訊息你們沒有訊息那我剛講的是新聞上的訊息那你們可以不回應這個沒有問題那所以如果因為我們質疑的地方是如果鄭麗君副院長還在國內的話那他到底要怎麼樣去談判\n\n24\n00:07:39,918 --> 00:07:51,749\n那他有沒有打電話給川普的官員能夠來通電話因為我們看到的事情是其實呢不管是齁我們可以看這些人他們包含是美國的財長這個我們看到好幾位的高層都已經到這個華府喔去面對面的協商或者是打了這個相關的電話去喔\n\n25\n00:08:02,139 --> 00:08:18,376\n那我另外再問一個問題就是去年川普政府其實他在選舉的期間就已經提出過他要利用關稅這件事情來進行對全世界的一些可能他們的貿易的策略我們可以看一下\n\n26\n00:08:20,157 --> 00:08:44,467\n當時呢我們的這個外交部的政務次長吳志忠次長那他呢就說這個川普聲稱台灣偷走美國晶片的生意是選舉語言那外交部對於過去次長這樣的說法那是不是會覺得因此我們晚了很多的時間來做準備我們當初真的把它當成了選舉語言嗎\n\n27\n00:08:46,212 --> 00:09:08,277\n報告委員這個選舉委員當然是一部分那另外一個部分就是說其實可能一部分的這個美國的政治領袖對於台灣晶片的這個優勢有一些這個不完整的一個掌握所以我們也盡力的跟他們溝通台灣做到這樣的一個程度並不是所謂的偷走的問題而是我們在技術上面精益修行\n\n28\n00:09:08,857 --> 00:09:30,034\n但是因為川普已經不是第一次說是偷走的問題那我們請主席再給我一點時間最後一個問題就是美國的商務部長剛剛大家都有提到了那他在4月3號的時候接受那個訪問的時候表示說川普將會深入研究這些內容也就是剛剛我們經濟部談到的包含半導體等等\n\n29\n00:09:31,175 --> 00:09:59,661\n措施会陆续提出那要目的是要把所有来自台湾的半导体业产业移植回美国哎经济部如果有需要的话可以来回应这个题目好那呃这个关于CNBC的逐字稿里面写的很清楚DonaldTrumpisgoingtodeeplystudythoseandthosearegoingtocomelateronhowtoassurefromTaiwanallthatmanufacturing\n\n30\n00:09:59,961 --> 00:10:23,344\n所以它基本上所有的半導體產業它裡面寫的是all不是have或是someof所以我想要請問就針對美國商務部長的這個訪問裡面他提到的措施是會陸續把台灣的半導體產業全部的移到美國這個部分經濟部的看法目前是如何評估狀況是如何\n\n31\n00:10:24,605 --> 00:10:40,759\n是,其实我们的业者到海外的布局最主要的考量是要客户的需求,因为可以就近的接近客户,例如像美国有很多的大厂,他需要因为要发展AI,要发展人工运算,所以都会\n\n32\n00:10:41,039 --> 00:11:02,334\n如果是我們主動去的話當然沒有問題但如果是像這樣子這個說法是美國商務部長要求就以美方的角度要求半導體要來到美國因為就像川普說的他一直強調他講了至少三次以上說台灣偷走了美國的晶片跟這個半導體\n\n33\n00:11:03,795 --> 00:11:32,750\n這句話我想我之前也問過林家中部長他也不同意甚至我問了一些美方的友人他們也不是這麼的同意但是呢現在川普他上任之後他以及他的相關的商務部長他們的說法都是要把台灣的半導體全部移回美國因為你看原文他確實是用all的方式allthat他就說allthat所以他說全部都要移到美國去那我們對這方面有進行相關的因應或是準備嗎\n\n34\n00:11:34,771 --> 00:11:53,239\n因為半導體的發展它是需要時間所以我們原則上我們必須要掌握的最先進的技術一定要留在台灣這個部分我們同時同步的也會協助我們的廠商進行相關的研發一直把最先進的技術給開發出來留在台灣\n\n35\n00:11:55,000 --> 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buy所以我們以前都只聽過內線交易那我們第一次看到這個外線交易所以我們今天看到台股能夠翻紅我們都覺得非常的開心但這個情況能夠實施多久能夠維持多久這都端看我們外交部以及經濟部的努力\n124178\t138237\t那能夠延遲90天讓國家暫時脫離險境但是我們也注意到其實中國被美國苛徵125%的關稅那他們今天的股票仍然是上漲的那這點我們也應該要去注意到\n139138\t161768\t特別想要問經濟部就是川普他們暫緩及日期各國的32%的這個像我們的32%的稅率剩下各國適用的10%的稅率事實上比原本我們跟美國之間課的稅率還是比較高的那呢仍然會對產業造成影響在這方面我們是否仍然會持續對產業進行協助甚至補貼\n165169\t188498\t是 谢谢委员的指教其实我们政府有提出这个因应美国关税的产业资源的方案从不同的面向那刚才行政院院会已经通过这个产业资源方案措施不变而且要请院长有才事要请相关的部会要尽速的研拟措施我们在4月14号会对外正式的公布\n188638\t204045\t那請問一下先前行政院所提出的880億的支持出口供應鏈的方案仍然是以880億的規模持續進行嗎沒錯是的那也會提出特別條例嗎會的好的那呢因為現在的這個關稅那\n207486\t218798\t除了之前我們講到的這個基本關稅之外先前美國有針對全球產業的特定的部分關稅例如像是鋼鐵業等等的那請問這也包含在這個90天的暫停範圍之內嗎\n223763\t242388\t沒有鋼鐵業還是維持所以那我想要請問一下除了這個基本關稅的10%以及加徵的32%之外還有哪一些部分是它是特定的產業仍然有比較高的關稅有哪一些產業是如此的\n242848\t267118\t是 百分之三十二這個已經我們了解改為百分之十一就是延長延長對 除了這個以外呢有鋼鋁的關稅是百分之二十五但是跟委員報告我們先前呢就蘇美的話就是百分之二十五所以現在變成跟其他的國家齊頭的都是百分之二十五那還有其他的產業\n268839\t292710\t對,還有汽車產業,汽車產業還是維持25%的關稅汽車產業維持25%的關稅還有就是美國對我們的課徵嘛,對不對?就是基本的MFN的稅率那原本美國對我們的課徵的稅率是多少?看各個產業不同,資通訊產業化是零關稅沒有,我剛剛問的是汽車的部分汽車大概,看不同的零件大概20%\n296120\t311314\t20左右25所以25的部分也是沒有變動的嗎對沒有變動的那有具體變動的還有哪一些你們可以幫我們大家就是民眾很想知道就是說呢我們所謂的這一些\n312996\t323505\t針對全球產業的部分關稅不包含在百分之三十二裡面的有沒有其他的產業是有高於原本的關稅這個部分就是鋼鋁還有汽車產業因為他們本來就都一樣嘛一樣的我們就不談了那有高於的汽車產業\n331652\t344862\t汽車產業您剛剛說25%現在也是25%的話那是沒有高於啊所以是不是請補充一下相關的資訊讓我們國人知道有增加的部分大概是哪一些報告委員川普總統總統曾經有說過可能會對藥品半導體\n349966\t370900\t還有同志品可能會加增關稅到目前為止並沒有這樣的訊息所以可能會有這幾樣那未來呢即便是在32%的關稅延長的狀態之下仍然會另外剋稅的可能性就是你們不排除的嘛那我們現在呢雙方已經都在交換資訊就請那個外交部來回答\n371480\t381017\t那呢台灣不只是關稅談判還有對美的投資採購等等的我想要問一下我們這次的談判小組的成員有哪一些人來組成\n382540\t403490\t那麼現在據我們已經公布的就是由這個行政院副院長姓立軍副院長領隊那其他的這個成員我想都可以想像得到那外交部在裡面是擔任什麼樣的一個角色我們主要是說我們掌握相關的這個管道那麼我們同時每處也隨時會把相關的訊息能夠這個傳遞回來台灣\n406852\t410576\t我們對美關稅談判的首席代表是鄭麗君女士嗎這一次特別的是由這個政院宣布是由這個鄭副院長來在領銜的部分那請問他已經出訪或是聯繫美方了嗎\n428915\t439891\t這我們不便透露因為就是說包括這個第一個說昨天的他人還在國內嘛對不對新聞報導是如此寫的如果不對的話可以告訴我們讓我們能夠刊物\n440935\t458036\t報告委員這個我們沒有訊息你們沒有訊息那我剛講的是新聞上的訊息那你們可以不回應這個沒有問題那所以如果因為我們質疑的地方是如果鄭麗君副院長還在國內的話那他到底要怎麼樣去談判\n459918\t471749\t那他有沒有打電話給川普的官員能夠來通電話因為我們看到的事情是 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of所以我想要請問就針對美國商務部長的這個訪問裡面他提到的措施是會陸續把台灣的半導體產業全部的移到美國這個部分經濟部的看法目前是如何評估狀況是如何\n624605\t640759\t是,其实我们的业者到海外的布局最主要的考量是要客户的需求,因为可以就近的接近客户,例如像美国有很多的大厂,他需要因为要发展AI,要发展人工运算,所以都会\n641039\t662334\t如果是我們主動去的話當然沒有問題但如果是像這樣子這個說法是美國商務部長要求就以美方的角度要求半導體要來到美國因為就像川普說的他一直強調他講了至少三次以上說台灣偷走了美國的晶片跟這個半導體\n663795\t692750\t這句話我想我之前也問過林家中部長他也不同意甚至我問了一些美方的友人他們也不是這麼的同意但是呢現在川普他上任之後他以及他的相關的商務部長他們的說法都是要把台灣的半導體全部移回美國因為你看原文他確實是用all的方式all that他就說all that所以他說全部都要移到美國去那我們對這方面有進行相關的因應或是準備嗎\n694771\t713239\t因為半導體的發展它是需要時間所以我們原則上我們必須要掌握的最先進的技術一定要留在台灣這個部分我們同時同步的也會協助我們的廠商進行相關的研發一直把最先進的技術給開發出來留在台灣\n715000\t738181\t那最後問一個問題就是呢因為台積電到美國那投資一千到兩千億左右這件事情也引發台灣不少的議論那大家就在問的是說那聯電是否也會出走這件事情請問經濟部是否有掌握或者是這是一個不對的消息是不是可以幫我們澄清一下我們對於市場的傳言不做任何的評論好 謝謝謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席那我想先請這個外交部那經濟部我們稍等喔委員好\n您好關於昨天的質詢我們在調查的過程當中因為外交部剛好有兩位同名同姓之人那導致我們誤植其中一位常任文官的照片以及職位那造成當事人的困擾因此在這裡我要先向外交部以及該常任文官以及何先生和他的家人表達最深的歉意\n那昨天呢我也向林佳龍部長就此事聯繫那清楚的表達我的歉意同時我也希望國安局針對林部長所說的偵查中的另外一起的案件同名同姓的政治幕僚吳先生能夠\n盡快的為所謂的共諜案能夠盡快水落石出但是呢我想是這樣子的就是我說錯的人呢就是說錯的人那誤用了他的照片呢我感到非常的抱歉所以在此呢也向您以及這個何先生及其家屬再次的表達歉意那我今天主要跟您談論的是川普的這個關稅政策所以我們也請這個經濟部一起上來\n那部長我們看到這次川普政府緩徵關稅90天等於我們有多了90天的時間來說服美方來降低或取消32%的關稅對我們來說其實是一件很好的事情\n尤其昨天還看到了史無前例的是川普總統他在這個宣布政策之前他就發布說的This is a great time to buy所以我們以前都只聽過內線交易那我們第一次看到這個外線交易所以我們今天看到台股能夠翻紅我們都覺得非常的開心但這個情況能夠實施多久能夠維持多久這都端看我們外交部以及經濟部的努力\n那能夠延遲90天讓國家暫時脫離險境但是我們也注意到其實中國被美國苛徵125%的關稅那他們今天的股票仍然是上漲的那這點我們也應該要去注意到\n特別想要問經濟部就是川普他們暫緩及日期各國的32%的這個像我們的32%的稅率剩下各國適用的10%的稅率事實上比原本我們跟美國之間課的稅率還是比較高的那呢仍然會對產業造成影響在這方面我們是否仍然會持續對產業進行協助甚至補貼\n是 谢谢委员的指教其实我们政府有提出这个因应美国关税的产业资源的方案从不同的面向那刚才行政院院会已经通过这个产业资源方案措施不变而且要请院长有才事要请相关的部会要尽速的研拟措施我们在4月14号会对外正式的公布\n那請問一下先前行政院所提出的880億的支持出口供應鏈的方案仍然是以880億的規模持續進行嗎沒錯是的那也會提出特別條例嗎會的好的那呢因為現在的這個關稅那\n除了之前我們講到的這個基本關稅之外先前美國有針對全球產業的特定的部分關稅例如像是鋼鐵業等等的那請問這也包含在這個90天的暫停範圍之內嗎\n沒有鋼鐵業還是維持所以那我想要請問一下除了這個基本關稅的10%以及加徵的32%之外還有哪一些部分是它是特定的產業仍然有比較高的關稅有哪一些產業是如此的\n是 百分之三十二這個已經我們了解改為百分之十一就是延長延長對 除了這個以外呢有鋼鋁的關稅是百分之二十五但是跟委員報告我們先前呢就蘇美的話就是百分之二十五所以現在變成跟其他的國家齊頭的都是百分之二十五那還有其他的產業\n對,還有汽車產業,汽車產業還是維持25%的關稅汽車產業維持25%的關稅還有就是美國對我們的課徵嘛,對不對?就是基本的MFN的稅率那原本美國對我們的課徵的稅率是多少?看各個產業不同,資通訊產業化是零關稅沒有,我剛剛問的是汽車的部分汽車大概,看不同的零件大概20%\n20左右25所以25的部分也是沒有變動的嗎對沒有變動的那有具體變動的還有哪一些你們可以幫我們大家就是民眾很想知道就是說呢我們所謂的這一些\n針對全球產業的部分關稅不包含在百分之三十二裡面的有沒有其他的產業是有高於原本的關稅這個部分就是鋼鋁還有汽車產業因為他們本來就都一樣嘛一樣的我們就不談了那有高於的汽車產業\n汽車產業您剛剛說25%現在也是25%的話那是沒有高於啊所以是不是請補充一下相關的資訊讓我們國人知道有增加的部分大概是哪一些報告委員川普總統總統曾經有說過可能會對藥品半導體\n還有同志品可能會加增關稅到目前為止並沒有這樣的訊息所以可能會有這幾樣那未來呢即便是在32%的關稅延長的狀態之下仍然會另外剋稅的可能性就是你們不排除的嘛那我們現在呢雙方已經都在交換資訊就請那個外交部來回答\n那呢台灣不只是關稅談判還有對美的投資採購等等的我想要問一下我們這次的談判小組的成員有哪一些人來組成\n那麼現在據我們已經公布的就是由這個行政院副院長姓立軍副院長領隊那其他的這個成員我想都可以想像得到那外交部在裡面是擔任什麼樣的一個角色我們主要是說我們掌握相關的這個管道那麼我們同時每處也隨時會把相關的訊息能夠這個傳遞回來台灣\n我們對美關稅談判的首席代表是鄭麗君女士嗎這一次特別的是由這個政院宣布是由這個鄭副院長來在領銜的部分那請問他已經出訪或是聯繫美方了嗎\n這我們不便透露因為就是說包括這個第一個說昨天的他人還在國內嘛對不對新聞報導是如此寫的如果不對的話可以告訴我們讓我們能夠刊物\n報告委員這個我們沒有訊息你們沒有訊息那我剛講的是新聞上的訊息那你們可以不回應這個沒有問題那所以如果因為我們質疑的地方是如果鄭麗君副院長還在國內的話那他到底要怎麼樣去談判\n那他有沒有打電話給川普的官員能夠來通電話因為我們看到的事情是 其實呢 不管是齁 我們可以看這些人他們包含是美國的財長 這個我們看到好幾位的高層都已經到這個華府喔去面對面的協商或者是打了這個相關的電話去喔\n那我另外再問一個問題就是去年川普政府其實他在選舉的期間就已經提出過他要利用關稅這件事情來進行對全世界的一些可能他們的貿易的策略我們可以看一下\n當時呢我們的這個外交部的政務次長吳志忠次長那他呢就說這個川普聲稱台灣偷走美國晶片的生意是選舉語言那外交部對於過去次長這樣的說法那是不是會覺得因此我們晚了很多的時間來做準備我們當初真的把它當成了選舉語言嗎\n報告委員這個選舉委員當然是一部分那另外一個部分就是說其實可能一部分的這個美國的政治領袖對於台灣晶片的這個優勢有一些這個不完整的一個掌握所以我們也盡力的跟他們溝通台灣做到這樣的一個程度並不是所謂的偷走的問題而是我們在技術上面精益修行\n但是因為川普已經不是第一次說是偷走的問題那我們請主席再給我一點時間最後一個問題就是美國的商務部長剛剛大家都有提到了那他在4月3號的時候接受那個訪問的時候表示說川普將會深入研究這些內容也就是剛剛我們經濟部談到的包含半導體等等\n措施会陆续提出那要目的是要把所有来自台湾的半导体业产业移植回美国哎经济部如果有需要的话可以来回应这个题目好那呃这个关于CNBC的逐字稿里面写的很清楚Donald Trump is going to deeply study thoseand those are going to come lateron how to assure from Taiwan all thatmanufacturing\n所以它基本上所有的半導體產業它裡面寫的是all不是have或是some of所以我想要請問就針對美國商務部長的這個訪問裡面他提到的措施是會陸續把台灣的半導體產業全部的移到美國這個部分經濟部的看法目前是如何評估狀況是如何\n是,其实我们的业者到海外的布局最主要的考量是要客户的需求,因为可以就近的接近客户,例如像美国有很多的大厂,他需要因为要发展AI,要发展人工运算,所以都会\n如果是我們主動去的話當然沒有問題但如果是像這樣子這個說法是美國商務部長要求就以美方的角度要求半導體要來到美國因為就像川普說的他一直強調他講了至少三次以上說台灣偷走了美國的晶片跟這個半導體\n這句話我想我之前也問過林家中部長他也不同意甚至我問了一些美方的友人他們也不是這麼的同意但是呢現在川普他上任之後他以及他的相關的商務部長他們的說法都是要把台灣的半導體全部移回美國因為你看原文他確實是用all的方式all that他就說all that所以他說全部都要移到美國去那我們對這方面有進行相關的因應或是準備嗎\n因為半導體的發展它是需要時間所以我們原則上我們必須要掌握的最先進的技術一定要留在台灣這個部分我們同時同步的也會協助我們的廠商進行相關的研發一直把最先進的技術給開發出來留在台灣\n那最後問一個問題就是呢因為台積電到美國那投資一千到兩千億左右這件事情也引發台灣不少的議論那大家就在問的是說那聯電是否也會出走這件事情請問經濟部是否有掌握或者是這是一個不對的消息是不是可以幫我們澄清一下我們對於市場的傳言不做任何的評論好 謝謝謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.270 --> 00:04.600\n謝謝主席那我想先請這個外交部那經濟部我們稍等喔委員好\n\n00:09.830 --> 00:33.582\n您好關於昨天的質詢我們在調查的過程當中因為外交部剛好有兩位同名同姓之人那導致我們誤植其中一位常任文官的照片以及職位那造成當事人的困擾因此在這裡我要先向外交部以及該常任文官以及何先生和他的家人表達最深的歉意\n\n00:35.293 --> 00:51.287\n那昨天呢我也向林佳龍部長就此事聯繫那清楚的表達我的歉意同時我也希望國安局針對林部長所說的偵查中的另外一起的案件同名同姓的政治幕僚吳先生能夠\n\n00:52.408 --> 01:18.177\n盡快的為所謂的共諜案能夠盡快水落石出但是呢我想是這樣子的就是我說錯的人呢就是說錯的人那誤用了他的照片呢我感到非常的抱歉所以在此呢也向您以及這個何先生及其家屬再次的表達歉意那我今天主要跟您談論的是川普的這個關稅政策所以我們也請這個經濟部一起上來\n\n01:19.028 --> 01:31.061\n那部長我們看到這次川普政府緩徵關稅90天等於我們有多了90天的時間來說服美方來降低或取消32%的關稅對我們來說其實是一件很好的事情\n\n01:34.545 --> 02:03.478\n尤其昨天還看到了史無前例的是川普總統他在這個宣布政策之前他就發布說的Thisisagreattimetobuy所以我們以前都只聽過內線交易那我們第一次看到這個外線交易所以我們今天看到台股能夠翻紅我們都覺得非常的開心但這個情況能夠實施多久能夠維持多久這都端看我們外交部以及經濟部的努力\n\n02:04.178 --> 02:18.237\n那能夠延遲90天讓國家暫時脫離險境但是我們也注意到其實中國被美國苛徵125%的關稅那他們今天的股票仍然是上漲的那這點我們也應該要去注意到\n\n02:19.138 --> 02:41.768\n特別想要問經濟部就是川普他們暫緩及日期各國的32%的這個像我們的32%的稅率剩下各國適用的10%的稅率事實上比原本我們跟美國之間課的稅率還是比較高的那呢仍然會對產業造成影響在這方面我們是否仍然會持續對產業進行協助甚至補貼\n\n02:45.169 --> 03:08.498\n是谢谢委员的指教其实我们政府有提出这个因应美国关税的产业资源的方案从不同的面向那刚才行政院院会已经通过这个产业资源方案措施不变而且要请院长有才事要请相关的部会要尽速的研拟措施我们在4月14号会对外正式的公布\n\n03:08.638 --> 03:24.045\n那請問一下先前行政院所提出的880億的支持出口供應鏈的方案仍然是以880億的規模持續進行嗎沒錯是的那也會提出特別條例嗎會的好的那呢因為現在的這個關稅那\n\n03:27.486 --> 03:38.798\n除了之前我們講到的這個基本關稅之外先前美國有針對全球產業的特定的部分關稅例如像是鋼鐵業等等的那請問這也包含在這個90天的暫停範圍之內嗎\n\n03:43.763 --> 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Trump's going to deeply study those. And those are going to come later on how to reshore from Taiwan all that semiconductor manufacturing.所以，基本上是所有的半導體產業，裡面寫的是「all」，不是「half」或是「some of」，所以我想要請問，針對美國商務部長的這個訪問裡面，他提到的措施是會陸續把臺灣的半導體產業全部移到美國，這個部分經濟部的看法目前是如何？評估狀況是如何？"],["江次長文若：其實我們的業者到海外的布局最主要的考量是客戶的需求，因為可以就近接近客戶，像美國有很多大廠因為要發展AI、要發展人工運算，所以都會……"],["徐委員巧芯：我了解，如果是我們主動去的話當然沒有問題，但如果是像這樣子，這個說法是美國商務部長要求，就以美方的角度，要求半導體要來到美國，因為就像川普說的，他一直強調，他講了至少三次以上，說臺灣偷走了美國的晶片跟半導體，這句話我想我之前也問過林佳龍部長，他也不同意，甚至我問了一些美方的友人，他們也不是這麼的同意，但是現在川普上任之後，他以及他相關的商務部長，他們的說法都是要把臺灣的半導體全部移回美國，因為你看原文，它確實是用「all that」的方式，所以他說全部都要移到美國去，我們對這方面有進行相關的因應或是準備嗎？"],["江次長文若：因為半導體的發展是需要時間，所以原則上我們必須要掌握最先進的技術一定要留在臺灣，這個部分我們同時同步也會協助我們的廠商進行相關的研發，一直把最先進的技術開發出來留在臺灣。"],["徐委員巧芯：好，最後問一個問題，因為台積電到美國投資1,000到2,000億左右，這件事情也引發臺灣不少議論，大家就在問聯電是否也會出走？這件事情請問經濟部是否有掌握？或者這是一個不對的消息？是不是可以幫我們澄清一下？"],["江次長文若：我們對於市場的傳言不做任何的評論。"],["徐委員巧芯：好，謝謝。"],["江次長文若：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝徐巧芯委員上臺質詢。待會楊瓊瓔委員質詢完畢之後，我們就休息5分鐘。","請陳冠廷委員上臺質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":210,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-35-7","speakers":["黃仁","王定宇","陳永康","羅美玲","馬文君","沈伯洋","徐巧芯","陳冠廷","楊瓊瓔","陳俊宇","林倩綺","林楚茵","李坤城","葉元之","林憶君"],"page_start":167,"meetingDate":["2025-04-10"],"gazette_id":"1143601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1143601_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請外交部部長、經濟部次長、大陸委員會副主任委員、財政部次長、國家發展委員會副主任委\n員、行政院經貿談判辦公室副總談判代表、中央銀行副總裁報告「美國開啟全球貿易制裁及與中\n共競合下，我外交經貿戰略佈局及因應」，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1143601_00004"}}}