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00:01:44,663\n川普暫緩關稅給予90天當然對大陸他達到125%關稅持續的延長那你覺得背後跟美債最近這段時間不斷的巨幅震盪你覺得這個理由合不合理\n\n6\n00:01:45,564 --> 00:01:57,958\n我覺得只是理由之一啦我個人判斷他不是理由之一?他不是最需要的理由?我覺得最重要的還是他的股市的一個股市的只有股市嗎?\n\n7\n00:02:02,763 --> 00:02:28,237\n對於全世界各國擁有美債的人如果在近期不斷的拋售美債大家都知道美債過去長期大家都認為是全世界資金的避風港它是穩定的但是在近期它變成是大怒神被很多國家到齊了它可能要贖回或者是大量的拋售這個對於美國金融體系的影響非常大我想你比我都還要專業你還要懂所以\n\n8\n00:02:31,198 --> 00:02:51,863\n所以我才說他會不會是主要的理由是因為CNN已經提出來了不是說CNN講的就對啦你覺得不對我只是說其中之一啊我也沒有就是說是他就是絕對就是這個啦但是有一點很重要的就是說美國呢他希望你看川普希望廢的降息\n\n9\n00:02:52,623 --> 00:02:57,587\n他希望他降息最主要的目的呢他是希望他的十年期的公債能夠降下來因為影響美國的經濟最主要的就是他長期債券的一個持續率持續率下降那也要代表就是說他的債勢他是穩定的沒有錯啊\n\n10\n00:03:11,838 --> 00:03:19,000\n最近整個大環境的狀況包括中國大陸日本他們打算要贖回其實也就是對於美國的經濟我剛剛也有引用一個數據啦我現在也提供委員參考就是說在沒有多久之前呢在還沒有這個事件之前呢美國的公債是多少美國公債十年級的公債是將近5%4.9幾\n\n11\n00:03:34,285 --> 00:03:44,334\n後來呢因為就是說這些的因為就是說他大家都是避嫌嘛避嫌就會跑到股市不好避嫌之間就跑到那個債券市場所以債券市場就下跌到他的利率就下跌到4%那現在呢債券跟持生利率他有一定的聯動關係總裁我直接提啦就是說從2000年開始美國的美債暴增到兩倍以上達到36.2兆美元\n\n12\n00:04:02,349 --> 00:04:14,331\n這個數字那今年美兆對全世界到期的總共達到9.2兆其中有6.5兆美元全世界擁有美債有6.5兆在6月到期所以對美國來說對於海外債權人來說他當然是希望對他來說到期要贖回錢但對美國來說現在經濟的整整體的狀況他當然不希望馬上要拿出這麼多錢來還這對他來說是一個很大的負擔嘛\n\n13\n00:04:31,334 --> 00:04:34,377\n所以他當然希望到期的人是不是可以繼續的\n\n14\n00:04:36,603 --> 00:05:02,396\n購買他長期的債券再買個十年二十年三十年甚至是最近有傳說再買個一百年有傳出這樣的傳聞出來所以如果是這樣子的狀況的話總裁我要請問就是說你剛才也回答我們的召委就是說我們目前外匯存底總共五千七百七十五億美元那你剛提到說我們有八成是購買債券對不對\n\n15\n00:05:04,117 --> 00:05:12,527\n沒有錯那之前上個禮拜我聽到副總裁回答的是說我目前有92%92%這個數據大概他的這個數據是怎麼來的是原來我們希望他的92%是錯的\n\n16\n00:05:24,741 --> 00:05:52,018\n這個數字是但是這個有一個數字在那邊我覺得他是不是我們一個期望的目標就是說這個數據呢是時常因為匯率的變動的結果呢這個數據呢是會時常會變動的他是匯率變動的美債不過我跟委員報告我跟委員報告就是說第一個他可能是看錯了所以他講錯了第一個第二個呢我剛剛在講就是說我們的美債大概就是說我們的美債大概是八成以上\n\n17\n00:05:54,309 --> 00:06:14,761\n八成多多少那你覺得那個92%跟八成那個是一個規律變動的結果不是一個期望值下來都不是一個期望值你有沒有對於美賽我們應該持有多少期望值你覺得是一個合理的數字這個沒有所謂的期望值沒有那有沒有一個理想的數字\n\n18\n00:06:16,322 --> 00:06:28,450\n那當然啊我們會覺得就是說我們會持有這個債券持有這個債券我們都會評估的總裁你的專業評估我沒有要跟你吵架我只是問您專業的問題就是說您認為理想的美債的數字是多少你覺得是一個理想的數字我想理想的美債的到目前為止我們認為我們八成以上是理想的\n\n19\n00:06:46,202 --> 00:07:11,891\n八成以上都是理想那我會不會持續增加美債的比例那所以我就說我們就要隨時要評估啊我也沒有所以我就說你說理想的水準是在哪裡八成以上都是理想的我現在跟委員報告就是說我現在目前的評估我說我八成以上是理想的理想的好那總的來講呢我就說我沒有反對\n\n20\n00:07:14,412 --> 00:07:18,638\n反駁你喔我也支持你喔那我再請問一句話就是說接下來我們會不會增加美債來當作跟美國繼續談判的籌碼之一\n\n21\n00:07:26,270 --> 00:07:50,950\n我想就是說我們只能夠這麼說如果說我們要跟他談判要說我們說美國的逆差那你必須要用公債要發行公債來融資但是我們中央銀行我們台灣是對你的公債我們是長期持有對你的融資成本是有降低的貢獻\n\n22\n00:07:52,782 --> 00:07:58,583\n而且是你的赤字的融資呢是很穩定的為什麼因為我們不會就說馬來拋馬來再拋我們不會我們holdtomaturity當然但是美國的經濟美國整體的經濟狀況當然也會影響我們持有美債我們到底那個變動到底結果是什麼所以它是不動的嘛那我要請問總裁一件事情就是說我們目前這兩三年今年有沒有美債到期的有多少\n\n23\n00:08:20,949 --> 00:08:23,451\n這個我們在評估誰可以告訴你數字待會私下我給你\n\n24\n00:08:28,966 --> 00:08:49,445\n這七年到期的有沒有數字有沒有應該有啊應該有那這三年馬上到期總裁我都不反對因為你接下來跟美國談判他可以變成籌碼我們未來到期的或明年到期甚至後年到期的我們可以再跟美國談判說好那我再跟你買十年二十年三十年這都是我們可以談的目標這個委員的這個建議是相當好的啦\n\n25\n00:08:52,128 --> 00:08:56,972\n這都是談判的工具好不好你們專業來決定但是對我們來說我就會想知道說我今年到底美債到期的數字有多少明年有多少後年有多少至少在川普這個任期裡面我們手邊握有可以有哪些工具是談判的籌碼我們各部會現在都在盤整談判的籌碼這個是我現在要知道\n\n26\n00:09:19,471 --> 00:09:21,076\n我覺得委員的建議是相當好的\n\n27\n00:09:24,541 --> 00:09:51,454\n部長我沒有介意我只是想知道不是我的建議照理說你手邊應該有這些談判的工具不然你們在美談判的小組各部會到底在統整哪些東西那到底我們有沒有受到就是說其實川普都在對全世界施加壓力怎麼樣讓他經濟景氣好無論是增加關稅也好或者美債要你們多買一些也好或者債券再延長日期也好其實這都是他的籌碼我想你比我更清楚了解\n\n28\n00:09:51,874 --> 00:10:13,419\n那到底這件事情譬如說把美債延長十年二十年三十年我們從來沒有想過這件事情嗎或者美方有沒有給任何的壓力到目前為止沒有你沒有收到完全沒有你也完全沒有想到說債券可以再跟他購買十年二十年這也是我們談判籌碼之一所以我說說委員的一個建議是很好的啦\n\n29\n00:10:13,959 --> 00:10:42,764\n好部長那我再請問你美中最後美中關稅談判的結果當然他說跟習近平是好朋友目前增加到125那也希望跟習近平談但是美中對於關稅談判的結果其實是影響全球的那你對於這件事情你的看法你覺得對台灣的影響會是什麼如果他談得好如果有共識因為台灣是中小企業我們都是全球貿易的其中的一環\n\n30\n00:10:43,664 --> 00:10:59,834\n我想關稅戰特別是在兩強的互相報復不只是說是只有兩強還有其他的包括歐盟這個對全球的經濟都不好都不好那你覺得他們兩個邊會不會談得好有沒有機會談得好最好是能夠談\n\n31\n00:11:12,827 --> 00:11:12,847\n好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3716\t8699\t我是不是可以邀請央行的楊總裁楊總裁請李委員早總裁早是一大早清晨五點多起來看到新的新聞你昨天晚上你是什麼時候知道今天早上川普調整了降緩關稅目前調了10%我也是今天早上我才知道\n30390\t49466\t今天早上才知道原來每天的狀況隨時都在改變這也就是長期以來我對於對美的關稅的談判匯率的談判很多其實我在文匯一直不斷的無論是提醒金管會財政部還有央行的地方\n51608\t68129\t總裁今天早上川普說他早上才決定的那最主要理由暫緩關稅對等關稅的理由那CNN也提出說這個最主要背後的原因有可能是在近期美賽巨幅震盪的一個結果\n69790\t87935\t嚇壞了財政部包括從二月初開始無論是中國大陸或日本不斷地提出要這個美債到期之後要贖回這都是其中的因素之一那你認不認同你覺得這個可能性高不高也就是說CNN提出來\n89335\t104663\t川普暫緩關稅給予90天當然對大陸他達到125%關稅持續的延長那你覺得背後跟美債最近這段時間不斷的巨幅震盪你覺得這個理由合不合理\n105564\t117958\t我覺得只是理由之一啦我個人判斷他不是理由之一?他不是最需要的理由?我覺得最重要的還是他的股市的一個股市的只有股市嗎?\n122763\t148237\t對於全世界各國擁有美債的人如果在近期不斷的拋售美債大家都知道美債過去長期大家都認為是全世界資金的避風港它是穩定的但是在近期它變成是大怒神被很多國家到齊了它可能要贖回或者是大量的拋售這個對於美國金融體系的影響非常大我想你比我都還要專業你還要懂所以\n151198\t171863\t所以我才說他會不會是主要的理由是因為CNN已經提出來了不是說CNN講的就對啦你覺得不對我只是說其中之一啊我也沒有就是說是他就是絕對就是這個啦但是有一點很重要的就是說美國呢他希望你看川普希望廢的降息\n172623\t177587\t他希望他降息最主要的目的呢他是希望他的十年期的公債能夠降下來因為影響美國的經濟最主要的就是他長期債券的一個持續率持續率下降那也要代表就是說他的債勢他是穩定的沒有錯啊\n191838\t199000\t最近整個大環境的狀況包括中國大陸日本他們打算要贖回其實也就是對於美國的經濟我剛剛也有引用一個數據啦我現在也提供委員參考就是說在沒有多久之前呢在還沒有這個事件之前呢美國的公債是多少美國公債十年級的公債是將近5%4.9幾\n214285\t224334\t後來呢因為就是說這些的因為就是說他大家都是避嫌嘛避嫌就會跑到股市不好避嫌之間就跑到那個債券市場所以債券市場就下跌到他的利率就下跌到4%那現在呢債券跟持生利率他有一定的聯動關係總裁我直接提啦就是說從2000年開始美國的美債暴增到兩倍以上達到36.2兆美元\n242349\t254331\t這個數字那今年美兆對全世界到期的總共達到9.2兆其中有6.5兆美元全世界擁有美債有6.5兆在6月到期所以對美國來說對於海外債權人來說他當然是希望對他來說到期要贖回錢但對美國來說現在經濟的整整體的狀況他當然不希望馬上要拿出這麼多錢來還這對他來說是一個很大的負擔嘛\n271334\t274377\t所以他當然希望到期的人是不是可以繼續的\n276603\t302396\t購買他長期的債券再買個十年二十年三十年甚至是最近有傳說再買個一百年有傳出這樣的傳聞出來所以如果是這樣子的狀況的話總裁我要請問就是說你剛才也回答我們的召委就是說我們目前外匯存底總共五千七百七十五億美元那你剛提到說我們有八成是購買債券對不對\n304117\t312527\t沒有錯那之前上個禮拜我聽到副總裁回答的是說我目前有92%92%這個數據大概他的這個數據是怎麼來的是原來我們希望他的92%是錯的\n324741\t352018\t這個數字是但是這個有一個數字在那邊我覺得他是不是我們一個期望的目標就是說這個數據呢是時常因為匯率的變動的結果呢這個數據呢是會時常會變動的他是匯率變動的美債不過我跟委員報告我跟委員報告就是說第一個他可能是看錯了所以他講錯了第一個第二個呢我剛剛在講就是說我們的美債大概就是說我們的美債大概是八成以上\n354309\t374761\t八成多多少那你覺得那個92%跟八成那個是一個規律變動的結果不是一個期望值下來都不是一個期望值你有沒有對於美賽我們應該持有多少期望值你覺得是一個合理的數字這個沒有所謂的期望值沒有那有沒有一個理想的數字\n376322\t388450\t那當然啊我們會覺得就是說我們會持有這個債券持有這個債券我們都會評估的總裁你的專業評估我沒有要跟你吵架我只是問您專業的問題就是說您認為理想的美債的數字是多少你覺得是一個理想的數字我想理想的美債的到目前為止我們認為我們八成以上是理想的\n406202\t431891\t八成以上都是理想那我會不會持續增加美債的比例那所以我就說我們就要隨時要評估啊我也沒有所以我就說你說理想的水準是在哪裡八成以上都是理想的我現在跟委員報告就是說我現在目前的評估我說我八成以上是理想的理想的好那總的來講呢我就說我沒有反對\n434412\t438638\t反駁你喔 我也支持你喔那我再請問一句話就是說接下來我們會不會增加美債來當作跟美國繼續談判的籌碼之一\n446270\t470950\t我想就是說我們只能夠這麼說如果說我們要跟他談判要說我們說美國的逆差那你必須要用公債要發行公債來融資但是我們中央銀行我們台灣是對你的公債我們是長期持有對你的融資成本是有降低的貢獻\n472782\t478583\t而且是你的赤字的融資呢是很穩定的 為什麼因為我們不會就說馬來拋 馬來再拋我們不會 我們hold to maturity當然 但是美國的經濟美國整體的經濟狀況當然也會影響我們持有美債我們到底那個變動到底結果是什麼所以它是不動的嘛那我要請問總裁一件事情就是說我們目前這兩三年今年有沒有美債到期的有多少\n500949\t503451\t這個我們在評估誰可以告訴你數字待會私下我給你\n508966\t529445\t這七年到期的有沒有數字 有沒有應該有啊應該有 那這三年馬上到期總裁我都不反對因為你接下來跟美國談判他可以變成籌碼我們未來到期的或明年到期甚至後年到期的我們可以再跟美國談判說好那我再跟你買十年二十年三十年這都是我們可以談的目標這個委員的這個建議是相當好的啦\n532128\t536972\t這都是談判的工具好不好你們專業來決定但是對我們來說我就會想知道說我今年到底美債到期的數字有多少明年有多少後年有多少至少在川普這個任期裡面我們手邊握有可以有哪些工具是談判的籌碼我們各部會現在都在盤整談判的籌碼這個是我現在要知道\n559471\t561076\t我覺得委員的建議是相當好的\n564541\t591454\t部長我沒有介意我只是想知道不是我的建議照理說你手邊應該有這些談判的工具不然你們在美談判的小組各部會到底在統整哪些東西那到底我們有沒有受到就是說其實川普都在對全世界施加壓力怎麼樣讓他經濟景氣好無論是增加關稅也好或者美債要你們多買一些也好或者債券再延長日期也好其實這都是他的籌碼我想你比我更清楚了解\n591874\t613419\t那到底這件事情譬如說把美債延長十年二十年三十年我們從來沒有想過這件事情嗎或者美方有沒有給任何的壓力到目前為止沒有你沒有收到完全沒有你也完全沒有想到說債券可以再跟他購買十年二十年這也是我們談判籌碼之一所以我說說委員的一個建議是很好的啦\n613959\t642764\t好部長那我再請問你美中最後美中關稅談判的結果當然他說跟習近平是好朋友目前增加到125那也希望跟習近平談但是美中對於關稅談判的結果其實是影響全球的那你對於這件事情你的看法你覺得對台灣的影響會是什麼如果他談得好如果有共識因為台灣是中小企業我們都是全球貿易的其中的一環\n643664\t659834\t我想關稅戰特別是在兩強的互相報復不只是說是只有兩強還有其他的包括歐盟這個對全球的經濟都不好都不好那你覺得他們兩個邊會不會談得好有沒有機會談得好最好是能夠談\n672827\t672847\t好 謝謝\n","txt":"我是不是可以邀請央行的楊總裁楊總裁請李委員早總裁早是一大早清晨五點多起來看到新的新聞你昨天晚上你是什麼時候知道今天早上川普調整了降緩關稅目前調了10%我也是今天早上我才知道\n今天早上才知道原來每天的狀況隨時都在改變這也就是長期以來我對於對美的關稅的談判匯率的談判很多其實我在文匯一直不斷的無論是提醒金管會財政部還有央行的地方\n總裁今天早上川普說他早上才決定的那最主要理由暫緩關稅對等關稅的理由那CNN也提出說這個最主要背後的原因有可能是在近期美賽巨幅震盪的一個結果\n嚇壞了財政部包括從二月初開始無論是中國大陸或日本不斷地提出要這個美債到期之後要贖回這都是其中的因素之一那你認不認同你覺得這個可能性高不高也就是說CNN提出來\n川普暫緩關稅給予90天當然對大陸他達到125%關稅持續的延長那你覺得背後跟美債最近這段時間不斷的巨幅震盪你覺得這個理由合不合理\n我覺得只是理由之一啦我個人判斷他不是理由之一?他不是最需要的理由?我覺得最重要的還是他的股市的一個股市的只有股市嗎?\n對於全世界各國擁有美債的人如果在近期不斷的拋售美債大家都知道美債過去長期大家都認為是全世界資金的避風港它是穩定的但是在近期它變成是大怒神被很多國家到齊了它可能要贖回或者是大量的拋售這個對於美國金融體系的影響非常大我想你比我都還要專業你還要懂所以\n所以我才說他會不會是主要的理由是因為CNN已經提出來了不是說CNN講的就對啦你覺得不對我只是說其中之一啊我也沒有就是說是他就是絕對就是這個啦但是有一點很重要的就是說美國呢他希望你看川普希望廢的降息\n他希望他降息最主要的目的呢他是希望他的十年期的公債能夠降下來因為影響美國的經濟最主要的就是他長期債券的一個持續率持續率下降那也要代表就是說他的債勢他是穩定的沒有錯啊\n最近整個大環境的狀況包括中國大陸日本他們打算要贖回其實也就是對於美國的經濟我剛剛也有引用一個數據啦我現在也提供委員參考就是說在沒有多久之前呢在還沒有這個事件之前呢美國的公債是多少美國公債十年級的公債是將近5%4.9幾\n後來呢因為就是說這些的因為就是說他大家都是避嫌嘛避嫌就會跑到股市不好避嫌之間就跑到那個債券市場所以債券市場就下跌到他的利率就下跌到4%那現在呢債券跟持生利率他有一定的聯動關係總裁我直接提啦就是說從2000年開始美國的美債暴增到兩倍以上達到36.2兆美元\n這個數字那今年美兆對全世界到期的總共達到9.2兆其中有6.5兆美元全世界擁有美債有6.5兆在6月到期所以對美國來說對於海外債權人來說他當然是希望對他來說到期要贖回錢但對美國來說現在經濟的整整體的狀況他當然不希望馬上要拿出這麼多錢來還這對他來說是一個很大的負擔嘛\n所以他當然希望到期的人是不是可以繼續的\n購買他長期的債券再買個十年二十年三十年甚至是最近有傳說再買個一百年有傳出這樣的傳聞出來所以如果是這樣子的狀況的話總裁我要請問就是說你剛才也回答我們的召委就是說我們目前外匯存底總共五千七百七十五億美元那你剛提到說我們有八成是購買債券對不對\n沒有錯那之前上個禮拜我聽到副總裁回答的是說我目前有92%92%這個數據大概他的這個數據是怎麼來的是原來我們希望他的92%是錯的\n這個數字是但是這個有一個數字在那邊我覺得他是不是我們一個期望的目標就是說這個數據呢是時常因為匯率的變動的結果呢這個數據呢是會時常會變動的他是匯率變動的美債不過我跟委員報告我跟委員報告就是說第一個他可能是看錯了所以他講錯了第一個第二個呢我剛剛在講就是說我們的美債大概就是說我們的美債大概是八成以上\n八成多多少那你覺得那個92%跟八成那個是一個規律變動的結果不是一個期望值下來都不是一個期望值你有沒有對於美賽我們應該持有多少期望值你覺得是一個合理的數字這個沒有所謂的期望值沒有那有沒有一個理想的數字\n那當然啊我們會覺得就是說我們會持有這個債券持有這個債券我們都會評估的總裁你的專業評估我沒有要跟你吵架我只是問您專業的問題就是說您認為理想的美債的數字是多少你覺得是一個理想的數字我想理想的美債的到目前為止我們認為我們八成以上是理想的\n八成以上都是理想那我會不會持續增加美債的比例那所以我就說我們就要隨時要評估啊我也沒有所以我就說你說理想的水準是在哪裡八成以上都是理想的我現在跟委員報告就是說我現在目前的評估我說我八成以上是理想的理想的好那總的來講呢我就說我沒有反對\n反駁你喔 我也支持你喔那我再請問一句話就是說接下來我們會不會增加美債來當作跟美國繼續談判的籌碼之一\n我想就是說我們只能夠這麼說如果說我們要跟他談判要說我們說美國的逆差那你必須要用公債要發行公債來融資但是我們中央銀行我們台灣是對你的公債我們是長期持有對你的融資成本是有降低的貢獻\n而且是你的赤字的融資呢是很穩定的 為什麼因為我們不會就說馬來拋 馬來再拋我們不會 我們hold to maturity當然 但是美國的經濟美國整體的經濟狀況當然也會影響我們持有美債我們到底那個變動到底結果是什麼所以它是不動的嘛那我要請問總裁一件事情就是說我們目前這兩三年今年有沒有美債到期的有多少\n這個我們在評估誰可以告訴你數字待會私下我給你\n這七年到期的有沒有數字 有沒有應該有啊應該有 那這三年馬上到期總裁我都不反對因為你接下來跟美國談判他可以變成籌碼我們未來到期的或明年到期甚至後年到期的我們可以再跟美國談判說好那我再跟你買十年二十年三十年這都是我們可以談的目標這個委員的這個建議是相當好的啦\n這都是談判的工具好不好你們專業來決定但是對我們來說我就會想知道說我今年到底美債到期的數字有多少明年有多少後年有多少至少在川普這個任期裡面我們手邊握有可以有哪些工具是談判的籌碼我們各部會現在都在盤整談判的籌碼這個是我現在要知道\n我覺得委員的建議是相當好的\n部長我沒有介意我只是想知道不是我的建議照理說你手邊應該有這些談判的工具不然你們在美談判的小組各部會到底在統整哪些東西那到底我們有沒有受到就是說其實川普都在對全世界施加壓力怎麼樣讓他經濟景氣好無論是增加關稅也好或者美債要你們多買一些也好或者債券再延長日期也好其實這都是他的籌碼我想你比我更清楚了解\n那到底這件事情譬如說把美債延長十年二十年三十年我們從來沒有想過這件事情嗎或者美方有沒有給任何的壓力到目前為止沒有你沒有收到完全沒有你也完全沒有想到說債券可以再跟他購買十年二十年這也是我們談判籌碼之一所以我說說委員的一個建議是很好的啦\n好部長那我再請問你美中最後美中關稅談判的結果當然他說跟習近平是好朋友目前增加到125那也希望跟習近平談但是美中對於關稅談判的結果其實是影響全球的那你對於這件事情你的看法你覺得對台灣的影響會是什麼如果他談得好如果有共識因為台灣是中小企業我們都是全球貿易的其中的一環\n我想關稅戰特別是在兩強的互相報復不只是說是只有兩強還有其他的包括歐盟這個對全球的經濟都不好都不好那你覺得他們兩個邊會不會談得好有沒有機會談得好最好是能夠談\n好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.716 --> 00:08.699\n我是不是可以邀請央行的楊總裁楊總裁請李委員早總裁早是一大早清晨五點多起來看到新的新聞你昨天晚上你是什麼時候知道今天早上川普調整了降緩關稅目前調了10%我也是今天早上我才知道\n\n00:30.390 --> 00:49.466\n今天早上才知道原來每天的狀況隨時都在改變這也就是長期以來我對於對美的關稅的談判匯率的談判很多其實我在文匯一直不斷的無論是提醒金管會財政部還有央行的地方\n\n00:51.608 --> 01:08.129\n總裁今天早上川普說他早上才決定的那最主要理由暫緩關稅對等關稅的理由那CNN也提出說這個最主要背後的原因有可能是在近期美賽巨幅震盪的一個結果\n\n01:09.790 --> 01:27.935\n嚇壞了財政部包括從二月初開始無論是中國大陸或日本不斷地提出要這個美債到期之後要贖回這都是其中的因素之一那你認不認同你覺得這個可能性高不高也就是說CNN提出來\n\n01:29.335 --> 01:44.663\n川普暫緩關稅給予90天當然對大陸他達到125%關稅持續的延長那你覺得背後跟美債最近這段時間不斷的巨幅震盪你覺得這個理由合不合理\n\n01:45.564 --> 01:57.958\n我覺得只是理由之一啦我個人判斷他不是理由之一?他不是最需要的理由?我覺得最重要的還是他的股市的一個股市的只有股市嗎?\n\n02:02.763 --> 02:28.237\n對於全世界各國擁有美債的人如果在近期不斷的拋售美債大家都知道美債過去長期大家都認為是全世界資金的避風港它是穩定的但是在近期它變成是大怒神被很多國家到齊了它可能要贖回或者是大量的拋售這個對於美國金融體系的影響非常大我想你比我都還要專業你還要懂所以\n\n02:31.198 --> 02:51.863\n所以我才說他會不會是主要的理由是因為CNN已經提出來了不是說CNN講的就對啦你覺得不對我只是說其中之一啊我也沒有就是說是他就是絕對就是這個啦但是有一點很重要的就是說美國呢他希望你看川普希望廢的降息\n\n02:52.623 --> 02:57.587\n他希望他降息最主要的目的呢他是希望他的十年期的公債能夠降下來因為影響美國的經濟最主要的就是他長期債券的一個持續率持續率下降那也要代表就是說他的債勢他是穩定的沒有錯啊\n\n03:11.838 --> 03:19.000\n最近整個大環境的狀況包括中國大陸日本他們打算要贖回其實也就是對於美國的經濟我剛剛也有引用一個數據啦我現在也提供委員參考就是說在沒有多久之前呢在還沒有這個事件之前呢美國的公債是多少美國公債十年級的公債是將近5%4.9幾\n\n03:34.285 --> 03:44.334\n後來呢因為就是說這些的因為就是說他大家都是避嫌嘛避嫌就會跑到股市不好避嫌之間就跑到那個債券市場所以債券市場就下跌到他的利率就下跌到4%那現在呢債券跟持生利率他有一定的聯動關係總裁我直接提啦就是說從2000年開始美國的美債暴增到兩倍以上達到36.2兆美元\n\n04:02.349 --> 04:14.331\n這個數字那今年美兆對全世界到期的總共達到9.2兆其中有6.5兆美元全世界擁有美債有6.5兆在6月到期所以對美國來說對於海外債權人來說他當然是希望對他來說到期要贖回錢但對美國來說現在經濟的整整體的狀況他當然不希望馬上要拿出這麼多錢來還這對他來說是一個很大的負擔嘛\n\n04:31.334 --> 04:34.377\n所以他當然希望到期的人是不是可以繼續的\n\n04:36.603 --> 05:02.396\n購買他長期的債券再買個十年二十年三十年甚至是最近有傳說再買個一百年有傳出這樣的傳聞出來所以如果是這樣子的狀況的話總裁我要請問就是說你剛才也回答我們的召委就是說我們目前外匯存底總共五千七百七十五億美元那你剛提到說我們有八成是購買債券對不對\n\n05:04.117 --> 05:12.527\n沒有錯那之前上個禮拜我聽到副總裁回答的是說我目前有92%92%這個數據大概他的這個數據是怎麼來的是原來我們希望他的92%是錯的\n\n05:24.741 --> 05:52.018\n這個數字是但是這個有一個數字在那邊我覺得他是不是我們一個期望的目標就是說這個數據呢是時常因為匯率的變動的結果呢這個數據呢是會時常會變動的他是匯率變動的美債不過我跟委員報告我跟委員報告就是說第一個他可能是看錯了所以他講錯了第一個第二個呢我剛剛在講就是說我們的美債大概就是說我們的美債大概是八成以上\n\n05:54.309 --> 06:14.761\n八成多多少那你覺得那個92%跟八成那個是一個規律變動的結果不是一個期望值下來都不是一個期望值你有沒有對於美賽我們應該持有多少期望值你覺得是一個合理的數字這個沒有所謂的期望值沒有那有沒有一個理想的數字\n\n06:16.322 --> 06:28.450\n那當然啊我們會覺得就是說我們會持有這個債券持有這個債券我們都會評估的總裁你的專業評估我沒有要跟你吵架我只是問您專業的問題就是說您認為理想的美債的數字是多少你覺得是一個理想的數字我想理想的美債的到目前為止我們認為我們八成以上是理想的\n\n06:46.202 --> 07:11.891\n八成以上都是理想那我會不會持續增加美債的比例那所以我就說我們就要隨時要評估啊我也沒有所以我就說你說理想的水準是在哪裡八成以上都是理想的我現在跟委員報告就是說我現在目前的評估我說我八成以上是理想的理想的好那總的來講呢我就說我沒有反對\n\n07:14.412 --> 07:18.638\n反駁你喔我也支持你喔那我再請問一句話就是說接下來我們會不會增加美債來當作跟美國繼續談判的籌碼之一\n\n07:26.270 --> 07:50.950\n我想就是說我們只能夠這麼說如果說我們要跟他談判要說我們說美國的逆差那你必須要用公債要發行公債來融資但是我們中央銀行我們台灣是對你的公債我們是長期持有對你的融資成本是有降低的貢獻\n\n07:52.782 --> 07:58.583\n而且是你的赤字的融資呢是很穩定的為什麼因為我們不會就說馬來拋馬來再拋我們不會我們holdtomaturity當然但是美國的經濟美國整體的經濟狀況當然也會影響我們持有美債我們到底那個變動到底結果是什麼所以它是不動的嘛那我要請問總裁一件事情就是說我們目前這兩三年今年有沒有美債到期的有多少\n\n08:20.949 --> 08:23.451\n這個我們在評估誰可以告訴你數字待會私下我給你\n\n08:28.966 --> 08:49.445\n這七年到期的有沒有數字有沒有應該有啊應該有那這三年馬上到期總裁我都不反對因為你接下來跟美國談判他可以變成籌碼我們未來到期的或明年到期甚至後年到期的我們可以再跟美國談判說好那我再跟你買十年二十年三十年這都是我們可以談的目標這個委員的這個建議是相當好的啦\n\n08:52.128 --> 08:56.972\n這都是談判的工具好不好你們專業來決定但是對我們來說我就會想知道說我今年到底美債到期的數字有多少明年有多少後年有多少至少在川普這個任期裡面我們手邊握有可以有哪些工具是談判的籌碼我們各部會現在都在盤整談判的籌碼這個是我現在要知道\n\n09:19.471 --> 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那這三年馬上到期總裁我都不反對因為你接下來跟美國談判他可以變成籌碼我們未來到期的或明年到期甚至後年到期的我們可以再跟美國談判說好那我再跟你買十年二十年三十年這都是我們可以談的目標這個委員的這個建議是相當好的啦"},{"start":532.128,"end":536.972,"text":"這都是談判的工具好不好你們專業來決定但是對我們來說我就會想知道說我今年到底美債到期的數字有多少明年有多少後年有多少至少在川普這個任期裡面我們手邊握有可以有哪些工具是談判的籌碼我們各部會現在都在盤整談判的籌碼這個是我現在要知道"},{"start":559.471,"end":561.076,"text":"我覺得委員的建議是相當好的"},{"start":564.541,"end":591.454,"text":"部長我沒有介意我只是想知道不是我的建議照理說你手邊應該有這些談判的工具不然你們在美談判的小組各部會到底在統整哪些東西那到底我們有沒有受到就是說其實川普都在對全世界施加壓力怎麼樣讓他經濟景氣好無論是增加關稅也好或者美債要你們多買一些也好或者債券再延長日期也好其實這都是他的籌碼我想你比我更清楚了解"},{"start":591.874,"end":613.419,"text":"那到底這件事情譬如說把美債延長十年二十年三十年我們從來沒有想過這件事情嗎或者美方有沒有給任何的壓力到目前為止沒有你沒有收到完全沒有你也完全沒有想到說債券可以再跟他購買十年二十年這也是我們談判籌碼之一所以我說說委員的一個建議是很好的啦"},{"start":613.959,"end":642.764,"text":"好部長那我再請問你美中最後美中關稅談判的結果當然他說跟習近平是好朋友目前增加到125那也希望跟習近平談但是美中對於關稅談判的結果其實是影響全球的那你對於這件事情你的看法你覺得對台灣的影響會是什麼如果他談得好如果有共識因為台灣是中小企業我們都是全球貿易的其中的一環"},{"start":643.664,"end":659.834,"text":"我想關稅戰特別是在兩強的互相報復不只是說是只有兩強還有其他的包括歐盟這個對全球的經濟都不好都不好那你覺得他們兩個邊會不會談得好有沒有機會談得好最好是能夠談"},{"start":672.827,"end":672.847,"text":"好 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