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00:00:27,646\n張委員好院長好我想就是說這幾天前面也有非常多委員關心有關於美國關稅的議題是不是有跟中研院做一些相關的請教那因為這件事情其實引發了世界各國政府的一些震盪然後也讓大家都非常的對未來有一些憂心不過我也在網路上面有看到有一位經濟所的許文泰的教授研究員他其實也寫了相關的文章來跟大家分析\n\n2\n00:00:28,326 --> 00:00:56,340\n好那這個呢這個文章其實也受非常多的人得到認同啦然後轉載啦然後也有國外的一些媒體也來做一些採訪所以我想這個東西其實是一個非常重要在彰顯一個很重要的事情就是中原音樂其實是台灣的智庫是台灣的大腦所以這是非常重要的一個我們必須應該要省慎在預算上面應該要更省慎的一個單位那接下來其實跟這篇文章無關啦所以其實是想要\n\n3\n00:01:07,540 --> 00:01:22,306\n剛剛許文泰研究員給了我們一些方向就是台灣怎麼辦那我現在就想要來請教院長那中研院怎麼辦就是說在我們面對這一次大規模的總預算的一些刪減案\n\n4\n00:01:24,147 --> 00:01:39,266\n我知道就是之前院長其實也有相關的發言就是說對中研院的一些影響所以我想要請教一下就是說我知道院長已經啟動了院內經費彈性調配優先確保研究人員薪水以及核心計畫的運作例如去碳燃氫的計畫因為屬於新興計畫所以\n\n5\n00:01:42,350 --> 00:02:07,179\n在立法院沒有審過這個預算之前每月逾百萬元的人力成本暫時由其他研究經費來支應那宜蘭地熱探勘團隊開挖深度達1000公尺這個經費也是透過既有的計畫來去支應但是我想請教院長說明的是說這樣子的調控能夠撐多久那這樣子的調控有哪些的計畫受影響可不可以簡單說明一下\n\n6\n00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:27,609\n區團燃氣清新步伐這部分據我了解上禮拜已經通過了學術署陳建章我說明一下新的計畫區團燃氣裡面有一支有受到影響因為它是屬於新的在公共建設計畫那支我們受了影響大概一千萬元左右\n\n7\n00:02:28,249 --> 00:02:41,902\n然後我們自己院內的計畫有一個跟AI相關的AI在人文與科學研究的創新應用計畫那一支計畫有受到影響大概受到一百多萬的影響然後這些計畫都還是受到30%的凍結現在還在\n\n8\n00:02:46,266 --> 00:03:02,425\n但是我想因為其實這個因為你調配了一些計畫那一定有一些計畫也要做一些縮減嘛對不對這部分是不是也可以簡單的說明一下實際上影響因為我覺得可以希望清楚的說明讓大家知道說中研院在這一次的預算刪減案實質上對我們的學術研究會產生什麼樣子的一個影響\n\n9\n00:03:03,827 --> 00:03:19,705\n我想最大的影響是讓大家的企圖心不見了反正我做多也是OK我做少一樣可以交差原來想要更加有企圖心的往更先進更前瞻的方向做\n\n10\n00:03:21,767 --> 00:03:38,141\n或許這方面給大家的感覺就覺得說不是這樣子的狀況所以這方面的影響是沒有辦法來量化也沒辦法來實質來說明的都是大家心理層面上的\n\n11\n00:03:38,906 --> 00:03:56,580\n我想這個心理層面的影響是非常非常可怕的因為我們在講學生的學習上面最怕就是他失去那個好奇心嘛對不對還有他的學習動機嘛那這樣子的一個刪減案其實並不是只有研究計畫就是台灣未來的智庫的擴充知識的量能擴充會受到影響還有我們這些研究人員的熱情\n\n12\n00:03:57,881 --> 00:04:14,530\n跟創造力跟研究的這些動能都會受到影響所以我希望就是說有在觀看我們直播的所有的台灣的公民朋友都要非常了解這一次的三檢預算案對於團體的士氣研究都受到非常大的打擊那我想要再請教院長就是說\n\n13\n00:04:15,470 --> 00:04:39,038\n因為其實從我自己非常關心的就是兒童科普日這件事情過去這幾年其實兒童科普日也都帶來非常好的人潮然後也做非常好的一個兒童的科普基層教育也在家長之間大受好評那很可惜的是我們可以看到114年我們的業務費雖然沒有做太多的調整只有大概一點點將近6萬塊可是我們的媒體政策及業務生產費\n\n14\n00:04:40,899 --> 00:04:48,534\n少只剩下從49萬變6萬那我想知道那這個今年的規模會不會有什麼樣子的影響可不可以清楚的說明一下我們請秘書處長來回答\n\n15\n00:04:50,560 --> 00:05:13,727\n委員好秘書處處長曾國祥對因為由於受到這個經費的煽動那我們所有的活動基本上都是要由所中心來這個響應那因為所中心還是以研究為主那在這個經費有限情況之下今年的規模確實可能會變小此外如同委員所提到的因為我們的這個沒宣費同時佔了60%所以今年的宣傳的力道就不會像往年那麼樣的積極\n\n16\n00:05:14,907 --> 00:05:41,968\n所以可能參與的人數方面可能也會比較不如預期但是我們還是會盡力把這個活動辦好謝謝我想問一下就是說場次呢因為去年原本就是大家都非常的期待可以有更多的場次嘛那今年的場次是不是會變少對因為我們還要跟所中心進行這個醫院的調查那我剛才所說的因為經費的刪減那我不太想對那大家還是會以研究為優先所以在場次的方面我們不敢很樂觀的預估\n\n17\n00:05:43,029 --> 00:05:58,347\n好那我可以簡單的跟您確認一下就是說我去年去的時候我們其實現場結合了我們的研究有做一些很可愛的扭蛋機然後我們還會送一些就是給小朋友的一些贈品然後還有一些很有趣的場次所以是不是這些通通都有可能會消失\n\n18\n00:05:58,968 --> 00:06:18,203\n我們會盡力的還是會希望能夠繼續辦下去那因為這個如同愛說的因為宣傳費用是減少的所以我們的做法大概就會比較回到傳統的方式用公務機關的譬如說用公文用我們的自己的新聞稿這樣的方式來做宣傳\n\n19\n00:06:18,803 --> 00:06:39,666\n好的沒關係因為我想這個是藍白亂山預算造成一個後果啦但是我希望還是可以幫我這邊用我們的臉書的平台社群的平台一起來幫忙宣傳所以到時候如果有相關的資訊的話也希望pass到我們這邊我們一起來做宣傳讓更多的孩子有機會可以來參與這麼有好這麼優質的一個運動那接下來再請請教一下院長就是有關於才化法\n\n20\n00:06:40,487 --> 00:07:05,660\n就是剛剛講這種預算啦可是才化法也會受到一些影響嘛所以我想要請教就是說之前有團體連署就是才化法的修法可能會讓我們的科研預算倒退10年那我自己大概去估算因為像我看了國科會說它大概有200億的影響那我自己算了一下這個可能會是中研院的一個影響大概就是從學研領域會少14萬自然人文的研究也會少14萬\n\n21\n00:07:06,781 --> 00:07:21,770\n所以大概總共會有28億的影響我不曉得說院長現在有沒有一些相關的預估金額跟影響這個金額到目前為止是非常難估算的那假如這個委員的數字是對的話那對我們影響是非常非常大的\n\n22\n00:07:23,671 --> 00:07:37,298\n這方向我想我們是有點不確定性特別是對未來這個科研需要除了不能刪之外更應該要加碼投資在這狀況之下我們確實是有點擔憂\n\n23\n00:07:40,803 --> 00:08:07,075\n對那我想可能接下來也可能要再看院長也可能要開始來評估一下就是這28%下去之後我們的實際影響可能會是哪些可能要做一些因應的部分尤其剛剛有講到就是說全球的AI都在競爭大家都那麼的競爭可是我們卻在國家打擊自己的士氣打擊自己的研究計畫但是我想我們還是可能要有一些因應的作為可能要請院長要積極的來做那最後一件事情我想要講的是說\n\n24\n00:08:08,155 --> 00:08:29,426\n其實比較輕鬆的事情啦就是說中研院其實一直都有一些相關的出版品那大概已經有累積了三千多件的一個出版品喔但是呢兒童面相的出版品從2008年到現在只有這一本啦整個這17年來只有這一本喔那其實因為受到這個兒童權利公約的關係喔其實許多的部會都開始製作了相關的\n\n25\n00:08:30,326 --> 00:08:55,558\n這些繪本就可能簡單讓孩子可以更了解他們這個機構在做什麼像這個是國政中心他們做的一些很有趣的這種翻番書立體的翻番書可以讓小朋友透過這些書可以更了解地震的時候他應該怎麼預防怎麼避難像這個是農業署做的去講有關於胎險的故事也是一個很可愛的繪本\n\n26\n00:08:56,653 --> 00:09:23,162\n所以我只是想說因為其實在法國它也有一個國家科學研究中心他們也是用非常可愛的方式去講分子科學那我們是不是也有可能來研擬一下有沒有可能來製作一本講述中研院某一個領域研究的書呢或者是把我們兒童科普日的東西再濃縮起來做一個很可愛的繪本可以跟孩子來介紹呢\n\n27\n00:09:23,749 --> 00:09:46,414\n這方面是很好建議但是因為我們中醫院這個目前沒有這方面的人才這個也恐怕也不是我們的專長那加上這個大家現在忙於這個做這個在這個可用預算之下能夠照顧好自己的最基礎的研究所以這方面我們目前大概只能是來\n\n28\n00:09:49,655 --> 00:10:04,145\n來規劃來檢視看我們有沒有這方面的能量那委員的建議是非常好這些都非常可愛的繪本比較可行的方式可能是我們找外面的單位一起來合作那我們來跟專家一起來做這個可能比較可行\n\n29\n00:10:04,824 --> 00:10:28,465\n好我了解了那就是希望就是我非常可以清楚的了解就是院長也有這個心想要來跟外部團隊一起來思考看看但我也非常清楚的知道說因為現在的預算現在預算受到非常大的影響所以以至於現在這本可能執行上面會有一些難度那我們就希望說今年接下來我們\n\n30\n00:10:29,266 --> 00:10:39,651\n我們黨跟民眾黨的委員在審相關預算的時候要更謹慎不然他不僅是打擊了我們的研究團隊的士氣也好他可能也會犧牲掉我們兒童可以親近科普知識的機會謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1335\t27646\t張委員好院長好我想就是說這幾天前面也有非常多委員關心有關於美國關稅的議題是不是有跟中研院做一些相關的請教那因為這件事情其實引發了世界各國政府的一些震盪然後也讓大家都非常的對未來有一些憂心不過我也在網路上面有看到有一位經濟所的許文泰的教授研究員他其實也寫了相關的文章來跟大家分析\n28326\t56340\t好那這個呢這個文章其實也受非常多的人得到認同啦然後轉載啦然後也有國外的一些媒體也來做一些採訪所以我想這個東西其實是一個非常重要在彰顯一個很重要的事情就是中原音樂其實是台灣的智庫是台灣的大腦所以這是非常重要的一個我們必須應該要省慎在預算上面應該要更省慎的一個單位那接下來其實跟這篇文章無關啦所以其實是想要\n67540\t82306\t剛剛許文泰研究員給了我們一些方向就是台灣怎麼辦那我現在就想要來請教院長那中研院怎麼辦就是說在我們面對這一次大規模的總預算的一些刪減案\n84147\t99266\t我知道就是之前院長其實也有相關的發言就是說對中研院的一些影響所以我想要請教一下就是說我知道院長已經啟動了院內經費彈性調配優先確保研究人員薪水以及核心計畫的運作例如去碳燃氫的計畫因為屬於新興計畫所以\n102350\t127179\t在立法院沒有審過這個預算之前每月逾百萬元的人力成本暫時由其他研究經費來支應那宜蘭地熱探勘團隊開挖深度達1000公尺這個經費也是透過既有的計畫來去支應但是我想請教院長說明的是說這樣子的調控能夠撐多久那這樣子的調控有哪些的計畫受影響可不可以簡單說明一下\n129160\t147609\t區團燃氣清新步伐這部分據我了解上禮拜已經通過了學術署陳建章我說明一下新的計畫區團燃氣裡面有一支有受到影響因為它是屬於新的在公共建設計畫那支我們受了影響大概一千萬元左右\n148249\t161902\t然後我們自己院內的計畫有一個跟AI相關的AI在人文與科學研究的創新應用計畫那一支計畫有受到影響大概受到一百多萬的影響然後這些計畫都還是受到30%的凍結現在還在\n166266\t182425\t但是我想因為其實這個因為你調配了一些計畫那一定有一些計畫也要做一些縮減嘛對不對這部分是不是也可以簡單的說明一下實際上影響因為我覺得可以希望清楚的說明讓大家知道說中研院在這一次的預算刪減案實質上對我們的學術研究會產生什麼樣子的一個影響\n183827\t199705\t我想最大的影響是讓大家的企圖心不見了反正我做多也是OK我做少一樣可以交差原來想要更加有企圖心的往更先進更前瞻的方向做\n201767\t218141\t或許這方面給大家的感覺就覺得說不是這樣子的狀況所以這方面的影響是沒有辦法來量化也沒辦法來實質來說明的都是大家心理層面上的\n218906\t236580\t我想這個心理層面的影響是非常非常可怕的因為我們在講學生的學習上面最怕就是他失去那個好奇心嘛對不對還有他的學習動機嘛那這樣子的一個刪減案其實並不是只有研究計畫就是台灣未來的智庫的擴充知識的量能擴充會受到影響還有我們這些研究人員的熱情\n237881\t254530\t跟創造力跟研究的這些動能都會受到影響所以我希望就是說有在觀看我們直播的所有的台灣的公民朋友都要非常了解這一次的三檢預算案對於團體的士氣研究都受到非常大的打擊那我想要再請教院長就是說\n255470\t279038\t因為其實從我自己非常關心的就是兒童科普日這件事情過去這幾年其實兒童科普日也都帶來非常好的人潮然後也做非常好的一個兒童的科普基層教育也在家長之間大受好評那很可惜的是我們可以看到114年我們的業務費雖然沒有做太多的調整只有大概一點點 將近6萬塊可是我們的媒體政策及業務生產費\n280899\t288534\t少只剩下從49萬變6萬那我想知道那這個今年的規模會不會有什麼樣子的影響可不可以清楚的說明一下我們請秘書處長來回答\n290560\t313727\t委員好 秘書處處長曾國祥對 因為由於受到這個經費的煽動那我們所有的活動基本上都是要由所中心來這個響應那因為所中心還是以研究為主那在這個經費有限情況之下今年的規模確實可能會變小此外如同委員所提到的因為我們的這個沒宣費同時佔了60%所以今年的宣傳的力道就不會像往年那麼樣的積極\n314907\t341968\t所以可能參與的人數方面可能也會比較不如預期但是我們還是會盡力把這個活動辦好謝謝我想問一下就是說場次呢因為去年原本就是大家都非常的期待可以有更多的場次嘛那今年的場次是不是會變少對因為我們還要跟所中心進行這個醫院的調查那我剛才所說的因為經費的刪減那我不太想對那大家還是會以研究為優先所以在場次的方面我們不敢很樂觀的預估\n343029\t358347\t好 那我可以簡單的跟您確認一下就是說我去年去的時候我們其實現場結合了我們的研究有做一些很可愛的扭蛋機然後我們還會送一些就是給小朋友的一些贈品然後還有一些很有趣的場次所以是不是這些通通都有可能會消失\n358968\t378203\t我們會盡力的還是會希望能夠繼續辦下去那因為這個如同愛說的因為宣傳費用是減少的所以我們的做法大概就會比較回到傳統的方式用公務機關的譬如說用公文用我們的自己的新聞稿這樣的方式來做宣傳\n378803\t399666\t好的沒關係因為我想這個是藍白亂山預算造成一個後果啦但是我希望還是可以幫我這邊用我們的臉書的平台社群的平台一起來幫忙宣傳所以到時候如果有相關的資訊的話也希望pass到我們這邊我們一起來做宣傳讓更多的孩子有機會可以來參與這麼有好這麼優質的一個運動那接下來再請請教一下院長就是有關於才化法\n400487\t425660\t就是剛剛講這種預算啦可是才化法也會受到一些影響嘛所以我想要請教就是說之前有團體連署就是才化法的修法可能會讓我們的科研預算倒退10年那我自己大概去估算因為像我看了國科會說它大概有200億的影響那我自己算了一下這個可能會是中研院的一個影響大概就是從學研領域會少14萬自然人文的研究也會少14萬\n426781\t441770\t所以大概總共會有28億的影響我不曉得說院長現在有沒有一些相關的預估金額跟影響這個金額到目前為止是非常難估算的那假如這個委員的數字是對的話那對我們影響是非常非常大的\n443671\t457298\t這方向我想我們是有點不確定性特別是對未來這個科研需要除了不能刪之外更應該要加碼投資在這狀況之下我們確實是有點擔憂\n460803\t487075\t對 那我想可能接下來也可能要再看院長也可能要開始來評估一下就是這28%下去之後我們的實際影響可能會是哪些可能要做一些因應的部分尤其剛剛有講到就是說全球的AI都在競爭大家都那麼的競爭可是我們卻在國家打擊自己的士氣打擊自己的研究計畫但是我想我們還是可能要有一些因應的作為可能要請院長要積極的來做那最後一件事情我想要講的是說\n488155\t509426\t其實比較輕鬆的事情啦就是說中研院其實一直都有一些相關的出版品那大概已經有累積了三千多件的一個出版品喔但是呢兒童面相的出版品從2008年到現在只有這一本啦整個這17年來只有這一本喔那其實因為受到這個兒童權利公約的關係喔其實許多的部會都開始製作了相關的\n510326\t535558\t這些繪本就可能簡單讓孩子可以更了解他們這個機構在做什麼像這個是國政中心他們做的一些很有趣的這種翻番書立體的翻番書可以讓小朋友透過這些書可以更了解地震的時候他應該怎麼預防怎麼避難像這個是農業署做的去講有關於胎險的故事也是一個很可愛的繪本\n536653\t563162\t所以我只是想說因為其實在法國它也有一個國家科學研究中心他們也是用非常可愛的方式去講分子科學那我們是不是也有可能來研擬一下有沒有可能來製作一本講述中研院某一個領域研究的書呢或者是把我們兒童科普日的東西再濃縮起來做一個很可愛的繪本可以跟孩子來介紹呢\n563749\t586414\t這方面是很好建議但是因為我們中醫院這個目前沒有這方面的人才這個也恐怕也不是我們的專長那加上這個大家現在忙於這個做這個在這個可用預算之下能夠照顧好自己的最基礎的研究所以這方面我們目前大概只能是來\n589655\t604145\t來規劃來檢視看我們有沒有這方面的能量那委員的建議是非常好這些都非常可愛的繪本比較可行的方式可能是我們找外面的單位一起來合作那我們來跟專家一起來做這個可能比較可行\n604824\t628465\t好 我了解了那就是希望就是我非常可以清楚的了解就是院長也有這個心想要來跟外部團隊一起來思考看看但我也非常清楚的知道說因為現在的預算現在預算受到非常大的影響所以以至於現在這本可能執行上面會有一些難度那我們就希望說今年接下來我們\n629266\t639651\t我們黨跟民眾黨的委員在審相關預算的時候要更謹慎不然他不僅是打擊了我們的研究團隊的士氣也好他可能也會犧牲掉我們兒童可以親近科普知識的機會謝謝\n","txt":"張委員好院長好我想就是說這幾天前面也有非常多委員關心有關於美國關稅的議題是不是有跟中研院做一些相關的請教那因為這件事情其實引發了世界各國政府的一些震盪然後也讓大家都非常的對未來有一些憂心不過我也在網路上面有看到有一位經濟所的許文泰的教授研究員他其實也寫了相關的文章來跟大家分析\n好那這個呢這個文章其實也受非常多的人得到認同啦然後轉載啦然後也有國外的一些媒體也來做一些採訪所以我想這個東西其實是一個非常重要在彰顯一個很重要的事情就是中原音樂其實是台灣的智庫是台灣的大腦所以這是非常重要的一個我們必須應該要省慎在預算上面應該要更省慎的一個單位那接下來其實跟這篇文章無關啦所以其實是想要\n剛剛許文泰研究員給了我們一些方向就是台灣怎麼辦那我現在就想要來請教院長那中研院怎麼辦就是說在我們面對這一次大規模的總預算的一些刪減案\n我知道就是之前院長其實也有相關的發言就是說對中研院的一些影響所以我想要請教一下就是說我知道院長已經啟動了院內經費彈性調配優先確保研究人員薪水以及核心計畫的運作例如去碳燃氫的計畫因為屬於新興計畫所以\n在立法院沒有審過這個預算之前每月逾百萬元的人力成本暫時由其他研究經費來支應那宜蘭地熱探勘團隊開挖深度達1000公尺這個經費也是透過既有的計畫來去支應但是我想請教院長說明的是說這樣子的調控能夠撐多久那這樣子的調控有哪些的計畫受影響可不可以簡單說明一下\n區團燃氣清新步伐這部分據我了解上禮拜已經通過了學術署陳建章我說明一下新的計畫區團燃氣裡面有一支有受到影響因為它是屬於新的在公共建設計畫那支我們受了影響大概一千萬元左右\n然後我們自己院內的計畫有一個跟AI相關的AI在人文與科學研究的創新應用計畫那一支計畫有受到影響大概受到一百多萬的影響然後這些計畫都還是受到30%的凍結現在還在\n但是我想因為其實這個因為你調配了一些計畫那一定有一些計畫也要做一些縮減嘛對不對這部分是不是也可以簡單的說明一下實際上影響因為我覺得可以希望清楚的說明讓大家知道說中研院在這一次的預算刪減案實質上對我們的學術研究會產生什麼樣子的一個影響\n我想最大的影響是讓大家的企圖心不見了反正我做多也是OK我做少一樣可以交差原來想要更加有企圖心的往更先進更前瞻的方向做\n或許這方面給大家的感覺就覺得說不是這樣子的狀況所以這方面的影響是沒有辦法來量化也沒辦法來實質來說明的都是大家心理層面上的\n我想這個心理層面的影響是非常非常可怕的因為我們在講學生的學習上面最怕就是他失去那個好奇心嘛對不對還有他的學習動機嘛那這樣子的一個刪減案其實並不是只有研究計畫就是台灣未來的智庫的擴充知識的量能擴充會受到影響還有我們這些研究人員的熱情\n跟創造力跟研究的這些動能都會受到影響所以我希望就是說有在觀看我們直播的所有的台灣的公民朋友都要非常了解這一次的三檢預算案對於團體的士氣研究都受到非常大的打擊那我想要再請教院長就是說\n因為其實從我自己非常關心的就是兒童科普日這件事情過去這幾年其實兒童科普日也都帶來非常好的人潮然後也做非常好的一個兒童的科普基層教育也在家長之間大受好評那很可惜的是我們可以看到114年我們的業務費雖然沒有做太多的調整只有大概一點點 將近6萬塊可是我們的媒體政策及業務生產費\n少只剩下從49萬變6萬那我想知道那這個今年的規模會不會有什麼樣子的影響可不可以清楚的說明一下我們請秘書處長來回答\n委員好 秘書處處長曾國祥對 因為由於受到這個經費的煽動那我們所有的活動基本上都是要由所中心來這個響應那因為所中心還是以研究為主那在這個經費有限情況之下今年的規模確實可能會變小此外如同委員所提到的因為我們的這個沒宣費同時佔了60%所以今年的宣傳的力道就不會像往年那麼樣的積極\n所以可能參與的人數方面可能也會比較不如預期但是我們還是會盡力把這個活動辦好謝謝我想問一下就是說場次呢因為去年原本就是大家都非常的期待可以有更多的場次嘛那今年的場次是不是會變少對因為我們還要跟所中心進行這個醫院的調查那我剛才所說的因為經費的刪減那我不太想對那大家還是會以研究為優先所以在場次的方面我們不敢很樂觀的預估\n好 那我可以簡單的跟您確認一下就是說我去年去的時候我們其實現場結合了我們的研究有做一些很可愛的扭蛋機然後我們還會送一些就是給小朋友的一些贈品然後還有一些很有趣的場次所以是不是這些通通都有可能會消失\n我們會盡力的還是會希望能夠繼續辦下去那因為這個如同愛說的因為宣傳費用是減少的所以我們的做法大概就會比較回到傳統的方式用公務機關的譬如說用公文用我們的自己的新聞稿這樣的方式來做宣傳\n好的沒關係因為我想這個是藍白亂山預算造成一個後果啦但是我希望還是可以幫我這邊用我們的臉書的平台社群的平台一起來幫忙宣傳所以到時候如果有相關的資訊的話也希望pass到我們這邊我們一起來做宣傳讓更多的孩子有機會可以來參與這麼有好這麼優質的一個運動那接下來再請請教一下院長就是有關於才化法\n就是剛剛講這種預算啦可是才化法也會受到一些影響嘛所以我想要請教就是說之前有團體連署就是才化法的修法可能會讓我們的科研預算倒退10年那我自己大概去估算因為像我看了國科會說它大概有200億的影響那我自己算了一下這個可能會是中研院的一個影響大概就是從學研領域會少14萬自然人文的研究也會少14萬\n所以大概總共會有28億的影響我不曉得說院長現在有沒有一些相關的預估金額跟影響這個金額到目前為止是非常難估算的那假如這個委員的數字是對的話那對我們影響是非常非常大的\n這方向我想我們是有點不確定性特別是對未來這個科研需要除了不能刪之外更應該要加碼投資在這狀況之下我們確實是有點擔憂\n對 那我想可能接下來也可能要再看院長也可能要開始來評估一下就是這28%下去之後我們的實際影響可能會是哪些可能要做一些因應的部分尤其剛剛有講到就是說全球的AI都在競爭大家都那麼的競爭可是我們卻在國家打擊自己的士氣打擊自己的研究計畫但是我想我們還是可能要有一些因應的作為可能要請院長要積極的來做那最後一件事情我想要講的是說\n其實比較輕鬆的事情啦就是說中研院其實一直都有一些相關的出版品那大概已經有累積了三千多件的一個出版品喔但是呢兒童面相的出版品從2008年到現在只有這一本啦整個這17年來只有這一本喔那其實因為受到這個兒童權利公約的關係喔其實許多的部會都開始製作了相關的\n這些繪本就可能簡單讓孩子可以更了解他們這個機構在做什麼像這個是國政中心他們做的一些很有趣的這種翻番書立體的翻番書可以讓小朋友透過這些書可以更了解地震的時候他應該怎麼預防怎麼避難像這個是農業署做的去講有關於胎險的故事也是一個很可愛的繪本\n所以我只是想說因為其實在法國它也有一個國家科學研究中心他們也是用非常可愛的方式去講分子科學那我們是不是也有可能來研擬一下有沒有可能來製作一本講述中研院某一個領域研究的書呢或者是把我們兒童科普日的東西再濃縮起來做一個很可愛的繪本可以跟孩子來介紹呢\n這方面是很好建議但是因為我們中醫院這個目前沒有這方面的人才這個也恐怕也不是我們的專長那加上這個大家現在忙於這個做這個在這個可用預算之下能夠照顧好自己的最基礎的研究所以這方面我們目前大概只能是來\n來規劃來檢視看我們有沒有這方面的能量那委員的建議是非常好這些都非常可愛的繪本比較可行的方式可能是我們找外面的單位一起來合作那我們來跟專家一起來做這個可能比較可行\n好 我了解了那就是希望就是我非常可以清楚的了解就是院長也有這個心想要來跟外部團隊一起來思考看看但我也非常清楚的知道說因為現在的預算現在預算受到非常大的影響所以以至於現在這本可能執行上面會有一些難度那我們就希望說今年接下來我們\n我們黨跟民眾黨的委員在審相關預算的時候要更謹慎不然他不僅是打擊了我們的研究團隊的士氣也好他可能也會犧牲掉我們兒童可以親近科普知識的機會謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.335 --> 00:27.646\n張委員好院長好我想就是說這幾天前面也有非常多委員關心有關於美國關稅的議題是不是有跟中研院做一些相關的請教那因為這件事情其實引發了世界各國政府的一些震盪然後也讓大家都非常的對未來有一些憂心不過我也在網路上面有看到有一位經濟所的許文泰的教授研究員他其實也寫了相關的文章來跟大家分析\n\n00:28.326 --> 00:56.340\n好那這個呢這個文章其實也受非常多的人得到認同啦然後轉載啦然後也有國外的一些媒體也來做一些採訪所以我想這個東西其實是一個非常重要在彰顯一個很重要的事情就是中原音樂其實是台灣的智庫是台灣的大腦所以這是非常重要的一個我們必須應該要省慎在預算上面應該要更省慎的一個單位那接下來其實跟這篇文章無關啦所以其實是想要\n\n01:07.540 --> 01:22.306\n剛剛許文泰研究員給了我們一些方向就是台灣怎麼辦那我現在就想要來請教院長那中研院怎麼辦就是說在我們面對這一次大規模的總預算的一些刪減案\n\n01:24.147 --> 01:39.266\n我知道就是之前院長其實也有相關的發言就是說對中研院的一些影響所以我想要請教一下就是說我知道院長已經啟動了院內經費彈性調配優先確保研究人員薪水以及核心計畫的運作例如去碳燃氫的計畫因為屬於新興計畫所以\n\n01:42.350 --> 02:07.179\n在立法院沒有審過這個預算之前每月逾百萬元的人力成本暫時由其他研究經費來支應那宜蘭地熱探勘團隊開挖深度達1000公尺這個經費也是透過既有的計畫來去支應但是我想請教院長說明的是說這樣子的調控能夠撐多久那這樣子的調控有哪些的計畫受影響可不可以簡單說明一下\n\n02:09.160 --> 02:27.609\n區團燃氣清新步伐這部分據我了解上禮拜已經通過了學術署陳建章我說明一下新的計畫區團燃氣裡面有一支有受到影響因為它是屬於新的在公共建設計畫那支我們受了影響大概一千萬元左右\n\n02:28.249 --> 02:41.902\n然後我們自己院內的計畫有一個跟AI相關的AI在人文與科學研究的創新應用計畫那一支計畫有受到影響大概受到一百多萬的影響然後這些計畫都還是受到30%的凍結現在還在\n\n02:46.266 --> 03:02.425\n但是我想因為其實這個因為你調配了一些計畫那一定有一些計畫也要做一些縮減嘛對不對這部分是不是也可以簡單的說明一下實際上影響因為我覺得可以希望清楚的說明讓大家知道說中研院在這一次的預算刪減案實質上對我們的學術研究會產生什麼樣子的一個影響\n\n03:03.827 --> 03:19.705\n我想最大的影響是讓大家的企圖心不見了反正我做多也是OK我做少一樣可以交差原來想要更加有企圖心的往更先進更前瞻的方向做\n\n03:21.767 --> 03:38.141\n或許這方面給大家的感覺就覺得說不是這樣子的狀況所以這方面的影響是沒有辦法來量化也沒辦法來實質來說明的都是大家心理層面上的\n\n03:38.906 --> 03:56.580\n我想這個心理層面的影響是非常非常可怕的因為我們在講學生的學習上面最怕就是他失去那個好奇心嘛對不對還有他的學習動機嘛那這樣子的一個刪減案其實並不是只有研究計畫就是台灣未來的智庫的擴充知識的量能擴充會受到影響還有我們這些研究人員的熱情\n\n03:57.881 --> 04:14.530\n跟創造力跟研究的這些動能都會受到影響所以我希望就是說有在觀看我們直播的所有的台灣的公民朋友都要非常了解這一次的三檢預算案對於團體的士氣研究都受到非常大的打擊那我想要再請教院長就是說\n\n04:15.470 --> 04:39.038\n因為其實從我自己非常關心的就是兒童科普日這件事情過去這幾年其實兒童科普日也都帶來非常好的人潮然後也做非常好的一個兒童的科普基層教育也在家長之間大受好評那很可惜的是我們可以看到114年我們的業務費雖然沒有做太多的調整只有大概一點點將近6萬塊可是我們的媒體政策及業務生產費\n\n04:40.899 --> 04:48.534\n少只剩下從49萬變6萬那我想知道那這個今年的規模會不會有什麼樣子的影響可不可以清楚的說明一下我們請秘書處長來回答\n\n04:50.560 --> 05:13.727\n委員好秘書處處長曾國祥對因為由於受到這個經費的煽動那我們所有的活動基本上都是要由所中心來這個響應那因為所中心還是以研究為主那在這個經費有限情況之下今年的規模確實可能會變小此外如同委員所提到的因為我們的這個沒宣費同時佔了60%所以今年的宣傳的力道就不會像往年那麼樣的積極\n\n05:14.907 --> 05:41.968\n所以可能參與的人數方面可能也會比較不如預期但是我們還是會盡力把這個活動辦好謝謝我想問一下就是說場次呢因為去年原本就是大家都非常的期待可以有更多的場次嘛那今年的場次是不是會變少對因為我們還要跟所中心進行這個醫院的調查那我剛才所說的因為經費的刪減那我不太想對那大家還是會以研究為優先所以在場次的方面我們不敢很樂觀的預估\n\n05:43.029 --> 05:58.347\n好那我可以簡單的跟您確認一下就是說我去年去的時候我們其實現場結合了我們的研究有做一些很可愛的扭蛋機然後我們還會送一些就是給小朋友的一些贈品然後還有一些很有趣的場次所以是不是這些通通都有可能會消失\n\n05:58.968 --> 06:18.203\n我們會盡力的還是會希望能夠繼續辦下去那因為這個如同愛說的因為宣傳費用是減少的所以我們的做法大概就會比較回到傳統的方式用公務機關的譬如說用公文用我們的自己的新聞稿這樣的方式來做宣傳\n\n06:18.803 --> 06:39.666\n好的沒關係因為我想這個是藍白亂山預算造成一個後果啦但是我希望還是可以幫我這邊用我們的臉書的平台社群的平台一起來幫忙宣傳所以到時候如果有相關的資訊的話也希望pass到我們這邊我們一起來做宣傳讓更多的孩子有機會可以來參與這麼有好這麼優質的一個運動那接下來再請請教一下院長就是有關於才化法\n\n06:40.487 --> 07:05.660\n就是剛剛講這種預算啦可是才化法也會受到一些影響嘛所以我想要請教就是說之前有團體連署就是才化法的修法可能會讓我們的科研預算倒退10年那我自己大概去估算因為像我看了國科會說它大概有200億的影響那我自己算了一下這個可能會是中研院的一個影響大概就是從學研領域會少14萬自然人文的研究也會少14萬\n\n07:06.781 --> 07:21.770\n所以大概總共會有28億的影響我不曉得說院長現在有沒有一些相關的預估金額跟影響這個金額到目前為止是非常難估算的那假如這個委員的數字是對的話那對我們影響是非常非常大的\n\n07:23.671 --> 07:37.298\n這方向我想我們是有點不確定性特別是對未來這個科研需要除了不能刪之外更應該要加碼投資在這狀況之下我們確實是有點擔憂\n\n07:40.803 --> 08:07.075\n對那我想可能接下來也可能要再看院長也可能要開始來評估一下就是這28%下去之後我們的實際影響可能會是哪些可能要做一些因應的部分尤其剛剛有講到就是說全球的AI都在競爭大家都那麼的競爭可是我們卻在國家打擊自己的士氣打擊自己的研究計畫但是我想我們還是可能要有一些因應的作為可能要請院長要積極的來做那最後一件事情我想要講的是說\n\n08:08.155 --> 08:29.426\n其實比較輕鬆的事情啦就是說中研院其實一直都有一些相關的出版品那大概已經有累積了三千多件的一個出版品喔但是呢兒童面相的出版品從2008年到現在只有這一本啦整個這17年來只有這一本喔那其實因為受到這個兒童權利公約的關係喔其實許多的部會都開始製作了相關的\n\n08:30.326 --> 08:55.558\n這些繪本就可能簡單讓孩子可以更了解他們這個機構在做什麼像這個是國政中心他們做的一些很有趣的這種翻番書立體的翻番書可以讓小朋友透過這些書可以更了解地震的時候他應該怎麼預防怎麼避難像這個是農業署做的去講有關於胎險的故事也是一個很可愛的繪本\n\n08:56.653 --> 09:23.162\n所以我只是想說因為其實在法國它也有一個國家科學研究中心他們也是用非常可愛的方式去講分子科學那我們是不是也有可能來研擬一下有沒有可能來製作一本講述中研院某一個領域研究的書呢或者是把我們兒童科普日的東西再濃縮起來做一個很可愛的繪本可以跟孩子來介紹呢\n\n09:23.749 --> 09:46.414\n這方面是很好建議但是因為我們中醫院這個目前沒有這方面的人才這個也恐怕也不是我們的專長那加上這個大家現在忙於這個做這個在這個可用預算之下能夠照顧好自己的最基礎的研究所以這方面我們目前大概只能是來\n\n09:49.655 --> 10:04.145\n來規劃來檢視看我們有沒有這方面的能量那委員的建議是非常好這些都非常可愛的繪本比較可行的方式可能是我們找外面的單位一起來合作那我們來跟專家一起來做這個可能比較可行\n\n10:04.824 --> 10:28.465\n好我了解了那就是希望就是我非常可以清楚的了解就是院長也有這個心想要來跟外部團隊一起來思考看看但我也非常清楚的知道說因為現在的預算現在預算受到非常大的影響所以以至於現在這本可能執行上面會有一些難度那我們就希望說今年接下來我們\n\n10:29.266 --> 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