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00:02:24,740\n甚至台灣的研究人員的待遇甚至比有些國家少到五分之一差距是這麼落差這麼大我們的學術人員也是在國際的市場裡面去競爭願意留在我們台灣繼續從事學術研究我們其實都抱持感恩這當中都有一份為國貢獻的心情否則以他們的優秀他們的才能\n\n8\n00:02:39,634 --> 00:02:44,879\n其實很多的國家都紛紛向他們招手所以我還是認為說我們應該要來給予支持因為這都是對我們國家的發展是相當的重要那院長你剛也在詢問當中多次提到說雖然說刪減凍結數字這麼大但是你的責任當然是你要盡力的讓\n\n9\n00:03:00,054 --> 00:03:07,698\n我們研究人員還有我們相關的業務不要受到影響所以努力的在做調度能不能實際的舉例一下是什麼樣的調度因為我舉幾個例子例如說刪減這還不是凍結刪減我們的出國參旅費這包含了學術會議學術訪問這個是被刪了15%3000多萬那還有我們的這個\n\n10\n00:03:24,646 --> 00:03:38,893\n出國的教育訓練也是被刪了15%那像這些被刪掉它大概會影響實際影響到是什麼樣的因為我想國人可能不了解因為說就是搭飛機出國實際上不知道你們去做什麼事情那我們現在被刪了15%我們如何來調度呢我們請國際處長回答\n\n11\n00:03:44,095 --> 00:04:07,347\n委員國際處處長孟子欽報告我們被刪掉這個出國旅費最大的影響就是把年輕學者跟學生送出國去參加學術會議還有進行國際交流的短言計劃那這個的確是15%的刪減會造成我們必須要減低補助的金額或者是降低補助的名額那這個在今年應該是一定會反映出一個實質上的影響\n\n12\n00:04:07,847 --> 00:04:27,882\n那我們目前會是以減少名額還是說名額維持只是補助的金額降低這個我們還在評估但是可能會是以減少名額可是補助金額對每一位送出去的同仁還是給他可以支應這個旅費的金額這樣子可能對每一個人的影響會比較少一點\n\n13\n00:04:28,562 --> 00:04:55,857\n是這個我們還是就是非常希望明年因為預算還有明年就是未來這些預算有機會都要把它加回來因為就我們所知其實過去就已經都希望要再去持續增加了好那委員我們到年年中之後我們會再評估如果說有一些我們院內的預算可以想辦法挪移的話我們當然會再繼續支持但是這個可能還是需要再評估之後才能夠決定\n\n14\n00:04:56,457 --> 00:05:12,945\n對沒錯這也是我們立法院大家要共同來協商啦因為我看這一次我們的刪減條件很多是不得流用這個就會讓在後面就是想說如果說委員可以幫忙的話這個不得流用這個如果可以中研院排除在不得流用這一項那這樣對我們真的會有很大的幫助\n\n15\n00:05:15,967 --> 00:05:21,348\n恐怕是很多部位都希望可以排除不得留用所以這個我只是說要讓大家知道這個文字不得留用它實際上會造成什麼樣的影響好那幾位可以請回繼續請教院長是台灣橋樑計畫這個去年總統也有接見這是世界和平基金會的主席來到台灣那我看了中央院近日有發布嘛我們今年是預計會在台灣來舉辦\n\n16\n00:05:41,232 --> 00:05:58,859\n那預計除了中研院以外包括台大、清大、成大、師大、中興、東海、中國醫藥、亞洲、慈濟等大學也會一起來參與這個跨校跨院校的合作計畫我想應該是今年台灣學術界一個蠻重大的盛事能不能說明一下我們目前的這個進展那預計怎麼樣來進行好我們請國際處長來說好\n\n17\n00:06:05,603 --> 00:06:16,574\n這個計畫從今年11月到明年4月在台灣總共會邀請28位諾貝爾獎得主涵蓋和平獎、化學、生醫跟物理所以各領域都有\n\n18\n00:06:19,677 --> 00:06:39,410\n經濟沒有經濟目前沒有那他們除了在台灣會給公開演講之外現在最重要的一個我們想要推動的事情是跟台灣的學者還有學生甚至一些民眾有一些對話深入的對話那我們希望這個活動可以讓台灣走入世界也讓世界看到台灣是先十位諾貝爾獎得主\n\n19\n00:06:42,724 --> 00:06:47,407\n28位10位是本院支持那總共這個台灣橋樑的計畫就像您剛剛說的有包括各個不同的學校參與所以總共會有28位28位的諾貝爾獎得主來到台灣這個恐怕是盛況空前所以我也希望說我們可以多加強交流啊相關的宣傳我覺得除了學術圈以外也應該可以跟國人大家起來分享這是非常重要的知識性的相關的交流\n\n20\n00:07:08,661 --> 00:07:12,725\n好謝謝那接下來是很關心的因為我看到BBC有一個報導就說2024全球電力需求持續增長那來自乾淨能源的貢獻已經超過了四倍四成那其中太陽能發電量的成長是最快的過去三年太陽能已經增長了一倍\n\n21\n00:07:27,099 --> 00:07:36,528\n那中原院近日宣布院長今天有報告就是我們的太陽能技術我們的光電轉換效率已經超過了31%這個下世代的太陽能電池元件這個比目前市售產品轉換效率是高出三成以上所以可能很多人就在期待啦那未來我們的這個技術量產啊落地的應用啊等等這個怎麼樣來進行進展你們請院長說明我們請那個關鍵中心主任來回答\n\n22\n00:07:54,103 --> 00:07:58,690\n委員好我是關鍵中心主任李超煌那麼目前我們這個技術在3月26號已經開了一個疊層太陽能技術的說明會\n\n23\n00:08:03,700 --> 00:08:26,838\n那麼大概全台灣跟太陽能產業相關的包括材料商、設備商、電池商、模組商都有派代表來參加那麼目前已經有兩個大的公司表示願意加入這個聯發聯盟那麼我們期望初期是以共同研發的方式然後各自去開發各自的製材把這個技術真正落地在台灣可以生產\n\n24\n00:08:28,239 --> 00:08:36,224\n這個我覺得非常的重要就是這是一個很重要的研究技術的突破加上我們跟產業已經開始有在結盟因為我們台灣太陽能板2011年開始設置它的這個太陽能線其實差不多20年所以我們現在這個未來如果能夠技術應用的話除了是在新的案場我們既有案場要更新的時候我們剛好就是達上這一個時間點所以非常的重要也非常的期待那請中央醫院繼續努力加油那我們國遠都會支持你們謝謝\n\n25\n00:08:58,005 --> 00:08:59,316\n好谢谢吴佩玉委员\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n129\t10747\t佩奕委員謝謝主席 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其實站在支持我們國家的學術研究的立場我是支持你們增加預算因為其實去年我們在委員會這裡我又記得不同黨派的委員都一直在關切的是我們給研究人員的待遇如何尤其拿跟很多國家來比較是的\n135231\t144740\t甚至台灣的研究人員的待遇甚至比有些國家少到五分之一差距是這麼落差這麼大我們的學術人員也是在國際的市場裡面去競爭願意留在我們台灣繼續從事學術研究我們其實都抱持感恩這當中都有一份為國貢獻的心情否則以他們的優秀他們的才能\n159634\t164879\t其實很多的國家都紛紛向他們招手所以我還是認為說我們應該要來給予支持因為這都是對我們國家的發展是相當的重要那院長你剛也在詢問當中多次提到說雖然說刪減凍結數字這麼大但是你的責任當然是你要盡力的讓\n180054\t187698\t我們研究人員還有我們相關的業務不要受到影響所以努力的在做調度能不能實際的舉例一下是什麼樣的調度因為我舉幾個例子例如說刪減這還不是凍結刪減我們的出國參旅費這包含了學術會議學術訪問這個是被刪了15%3000多萬那還有我們的這個\n204646\t218893\t出國的教育訓練也是被刪了15%那像這些被刪掉它大概會影響實際影響到是什麼樣的因為我想國人可能不了解因為說就是搭飛機出國實際上不知道你們去做什麼事情那我們現在被刪了15%我們如何來調度呢我們請國際處長回答\n224095\t247347\t委員國際處處長孟子欽報告我們被刪掉這個出國旅費最大的影響就是把年輕學者跟學生送出國去參加學術會議還有進行國際交流的短言計劃那這個的確是15%的刪減會造成我們必須要減低補助的金額或者是降低補助的名額那這個在今年應該是一定會反映出一個實質上的影響\n247847\t267882\t那我們目前會是以減少名額還是說名額維持只是補助的金額降低這個我們還在評估但是可能會是以減少名額可是補助金額對每一位送出去的同仁還是給他可以支應這個旅費的金額這樣子可能對每一個人的影響會比較少一點\n268562\t295857\t是這個我們還是就是非常希望明年因為預算還有明年就是未來這些預算有機會都要把它加回來因為就我們所知其實過去就已經都希望要再去持續增加了好那委員我們到年年中之後我們會再評估如果說有一些我們院內的預算可以想辦法挪移的話我們當然會再繼續支持但是這個可能還是需要再評估之後才能夠決定\n296457\t312945\t對沒錯這也是我們立法院大家要共同來協商啦因為我看這一次我們的刪減條件很多是不得流用這個就會讓在後面就是想說如果說委員可以幫忙的話這個不得流用這個如果可以中研院排除在不得流用這一項那這樣對我們真的會有很大的幫助\n315967\t321348\t恐怕是很多部位都希望可以排除不得留用所以這個我只是說要讓大家知道這個文字不得留用它實際上會造成什麼樣的影響好 那幾位可以請回繼續請教院長是台灣橋樑計畫這個去年總統也有接見這是世界和平基金會的主席來到台灣那我看了中央院近日有發布嘛我們今年是預計會在台灣來舉辦\n341232\t358859\t那預計除了中研院以外包括台大、清大、成大、師大、中興、東海、中國醫藥、亞洲、慈濟等大學也會一起來參與這個跨校跨院校的合作計畫我想應該是今年台灣學術界一個蠻重大的盛事能不能說明一下我們目前的這個進展那預計怎麼樣來進行好我們請國際處長來說好\n365603\t376574\t這個計畫從今年11月到明年4月在台灣總共會邀請28位諾貝爾獎得主涵蓋和平獎、化學、生醫跟物理所以各領域都有\n379677\t399410\t經濟沒有 經濟目前沒有那他們除了在台灣會給公開演講之外現在最重要的一個我們想要推動的事情是跟台灣的學者還有學生甚至一些民眾有一些對話深入的對話那我們希望這個活動可以讓台灣走入世界也讓世界看到台灣是 先十位諾貝爾獎得主\n402724\t407407\t28位 10位是本院支持那總共這個台灣橋樑的計畫就像您剛剛說的有包括各個不同的學校參與所以總共會有28位28位的諾貝爾獎得主來到台灣這個恐怕是盛況空前所以我也希望說我們可以多加強交流啊 相關的宣傳我覺得除了學術圈以外也應該可以跟國人大家起來分享這是非常重要的知識性的相關的交流\n428661\t432725\t好 謝謝那接下來是很關心的因為我看到BBC有一個報導就說2024全球電力需求持續增長那來自乾淨能源的貢獻已經超過了四倍四成那其中太陽能發電量的成長是最快的過去三年太陽能已經增長了一倍\n447099\t456528\t那中原院近日宣布院長今天有報告就是我們的太陽能技術我們的光電轉換效率已經超過了31%這個下世代的太陽能電池元件這個比目前市售產品轉換效率是高出三成以上所以可能很多人就在期待啦那未來我們的這個技術量產啊落地的應用啊等等這個怎麼樣來進行進展你們請院長說明我們請那個關鍵中心主任來回答\n474103\t478690\t委員好 我是關鍵中心主任李超煌那麼目前我們這個技術在3月26號已經開了一個疊層太陽能技術的說明會\n483700\t506838\t那麼大概全台灣跟太陽能產業相關的包括材料商、設備商、電池商、模組商都有派代表來參加那麼目前已經有兩個大的公司表示願意加入這個聯發聯盟那麼我們期望初期是以共同研發的方式然後各自去開發各自的製材把這個技術真正落地在台灣可以生產\n508239\t516224\t這個我覺得非常的重要就是這是一個很重要的研究技術的突破加上我們跟產業已經開始有在結盟因為我們台灣太陽能板2011年開始設置它的這個太陽能線其實差不多20年所以我們現在這個未來如果能夠技術應用的話除了是在新的案場我們既有案場要更新的時候我們剛好就是達上這一個時間點所以非常的重要也非常的期待那請中央醫院繼續努力加油那我們國遠都會支持你們謝謝\n538005\t539316\t好 谢谢吴佩玉委员\n","txt":"佩奕委員謝謝主席 我請中研院廖院長好 有請廖院長\n好 吳委員長好 院長好今天是中研院的業務報告詢答那當然很多委員會關心到預算因為有預算我們才能夠執行才能夠做事情那剛前面也有很多的關切那首先我想要請教院長一個問題因為社會上也有一種意見認為說中研院的預算即便受到煽動預算還是比去年多那為什麼要哭求製造社會的恐慌關於這一點因為我個人是不認同的我想要請問院長你有什麼樣的回應\n我們增加這個分兩點來講第一個我們增加部分是因應很大一部分是這個加調薪的部分至少3億元是用來調薪另外1億元是用來做這個治安的改善然後剩下的部分是來因應這個所有研究耗材經費\n研究的成本在過去幾年當中增加了非常多所以我們增加的部分是這樣子最重要的影響是研究員的企圖心就被打擊了我們增加預算並不是讓我們過得舒服是研究員希望做的更多的事情中文醫院並沒有法定說你要做多少研究\n所以我們爭取預算的原因是因為每個研究員有很強的企圖心想做更多更前瞻的研究拿一樣的薪水他拿一樣的薪水他需要做更多的研究那這樣的狀況之下那他現在沒辦法做所以嚴格講起來他薪水沒有被影響他一樣可以做他的事情但是對國家未來的科研就無形中產生一個沒有辦法估計的影響\n是 其實站在支持我們國家的學術研究的立場我是支持你們增加預算因為其實去年我們在委員會這裡我又記得不同黨派的委員都一直在關切的是我們給研究人員的待遇如何尤其拿跟很多國家來比較是的\n甚至台灣的研究人員的待遇甚至比有些國家少到五分之一差距是這麼落差這麼大我們的學術人員也是在國際的市場裡面去競爭願意留在我們台灣繼續從事學術研究我們其實都抱持感恩這當中都有一份為國貢獻的心情否則以他們的優秀他們的才能\n其實很多的國家都紛紛向他們招手所以我還是認為說我們應該要來給予支持因為這都是對我們國家的發展是相當的重要那院長你剛也在詢問當中多次提到說雖然說刪減凍結數字這麼大但是你的責任當然是你要盡力的讓\n我們研究人員還有我們相關的業務不要受到影響所以努力的在做調度能不能實際的舉例一下是什麼樣的調度因為我舉幾個例子例如說刪減這還不是凍結刪減我們的出國參旅費這包含了學術會議學術訪問這個是被刪了15%3000多萬那還有我們的這個\n出國的教育訓練也是被刪了15%那像這些被刪掉它大概會影響實際影響到是什麼樣的因為我想國人可能不了解因為說就是搭飛機出國實際上不知道你們去做什麼事情那我們現在被刪了15%我們如何來調度呢我們請國際處長回答\n委員國際處處長孟子欽報告我們被刪掉這個出國旅費最大的影響就是把年輕學者跟學生送出國去參加學術會議還有進行國際交流的短言計劃那這個的確是15%的刪減會造成我們必須要減低補助的金額或者是降低補助的名額那這個在今年應該是一定會反映出一個實質上的影響\n那我們目前會是以減少名額還是說名額維持只是補助的金額降低這個我們還在評估但是可能會是以減少名額可是補助金額對每一位送出去的同仁還是給他可以支應這個旅費的金額這樣子可能對每一個人的影響會比較少一點\n是這個我們還是就是非常希望明年因為預算還有明年就是未來這些預算有機會都要把它加回來因為就我們所知其實過去就已經都希望要再去持續增加了好那委員我們到年年中之後我們會再評估如果說有一些我們院內的預算可以想辦法挪移的話我們當然會再繼續支持但是這個可能還是需要再評估之後才能夠決定\n對沒錯這也是我們立法院大家要共同來協商啦因為我看這一次我們的刪減條件很多是不得流用這個就會讓在後面就是想說如果說委員可以幫忙的話這個不得流用這個如果可以中研院排除在不得流用這一項那這樣對我們真的會有很大的幫助\n恐怕是很多部位都希望可以排除不得留用所以這個我只是說要讓大家知道這個文字不得留用它實際上會造成什麼樣的影響好 那幾位可以請回繼續請教院長是台灣橋樑計畫這個去年總統也有接見這是世界和平基金會的主席來到台灣那我看了中央院近日有發布嘛我們今年是預計會在台灣來舉辦\n那預計除了中研院以外包括台大、清大、成大、師大、中興、東海、中國醫藥、亞洲、慈濟等大學也會一起來參與這個跨校跨院校的合作計畫我想應該是今年台灣學術界一個蠻重大的盛事能不能說明一下我們目前的這個進展那預計怎麼樣來進行好我們請國際處長來說好\n這個計畫從今年11月到明年4月在台灣總共會邀請28位諾貝爾獎得主涵蓋和平獎、化學、生醫跟物理所以各領域都有\n經濟沒有 經濟目前沒有那他們除了在台灣會給公開演講之外現在最重要的一個我們想要推動的事情是跟台灣的學者還有學生甚至一些民眾有一些對話深入的對話那我們希望這個活動可以讓台灣走入世界也讓世界看到台灣是 先十位諾貝爾獎得主\n28位 10位是本院支持那總共這個台灣橋樑的計畫就像您剛剛說的有包括各個不同的學校參與所以總共會有28位28位的諾貝爾獎得主來到台灣這個恐怕是盛況空前所以我也希望說我們可以多加強交流啊 相關的宣傳我覺得除了學術圈以外也應該可以跟國人大家起來分享這是非常重要的知識性的相關的交流\n好 謝謝那接下來是很關心的因為我看到BBC有一個報導就說2024全球電力需求持續增長那來自乾淨能源的貢獻已經超過了四倍四成那其中太陽能發電量的成長是最快的過去三年太陽能已經增長了一倍\n那中原院近日宣布院長今天有報告就是我們的太陽能技術我們的光電轉換效率已經超過了31%這個下世代的太陽能電池元件這個比目前市售產品轉換效率是高出三成以上所以可能很多人就在期待啦那未來我們的這個技術量產啊落地的應用啊等等這個怎麼樣來進行進展你們請院長說明我們請那個關鍵中心主任來回答\n委員好 我是關鍵中心主任李超煌那麼目前我們這個技術在3月26號已經開了一個疊層太陽能技術的說明會\n那麼大概全台灣跟太陽能產業相關的包括材料商、設備商、電池商、模組商都有派代表來參加那麼目前已經有兩個大的公司表示願意加入這個聯發聯盟那麼我們期望初期是以共同研發的方式然後各自去開發各自的製材把這個技術真正落地在台灣可以生產\n這個我覺得非常的重要就是這是一個很重要的研究技術的突破加上我們跟產業已經開始有在結盟因為我們台灣太陽能板2011年開始設置它的這個太陽能線其實差不多20年所以我們現在這個未來如果能夠技術應用的話除了是在新的案場我們既有案場要更新的時候我們剛好就是達上這一個時間點所以非常的重要也非常的期待那請中央醫院繼續努力加油那我們國遠都會支持你們謝謝\n好 谢谢吴佩玉委员\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.129 --> 00:10.747\n佩奕委員謝謝主席我請中研院廖院長好有請廖院長\n\n00:14.485 --> 00:19.327\n好吳委員長好院長好今天是中研院的業務報告詢答那當然很多委員會關心到預算因為有預算我們才能夠執行才能夠做事情那剛前面也有很多的關切那首先我想要請教院長一個問題因為社會上也有一種意見認為說中研院的預算即便受到煽動預算還是比去年多那為什麼要哭求製造社會的恐慌關於這一點因為我個人是不認同的我想要請問院長你有什麼樣的回應\n\n00:44.278 --> 01:03.021\n我們增加這個分兩點來講第一個我們增加部分是因應很大一部分是這個加調薪的部分至少3億元是用來調薪另外1億元是用來做這個治安的改善然後剩下的部分是來因應這個所有研究耗材經費\n\n01:04.742 --> 01:26.687\n研究的成本在過去幾年當中增加了非常多所以我們增加的部分是這樣子最重要的影響是研究員的企圖心就被打擊了我們增加預算並不是讓我們過得舒服是研究員希望做的更多的事情中文醫院並沒有法定說你要做多少研究\n\n01:27.667 --> 01:55.296\n所以我們爭取預算的原因是因為每個研究員有很強的企圖心想做更多更前瞻的研究拿一樣的薪水他拿一樣的薪水他需要做更多的研究那這樣的狀況之下那他現在沒辦法做所以嚴格講起來他薪水沒有被影響他一樣可以做他的事情但是對國家未來的科研就無形中產生一個沒有辦法估計的影響\n\n01:56.036 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謝謝那接下來是很關心的因為我看到BBC有一個報導就說2024全球電力需求持續增長那來自乾淨能源的貢獻已經超過了四倍四成那其中太陽能發電量的成長是最快的過去三年太陽能已經增長了一倍"},{"start":447.099,"end":456.528,"text":"那中原院近日宣布院長今天有報告就是我們的太陽能技術我們的光電轉換效率已經超過了31%這個下世代的太陽能電池元件這個比目前市售產品轉換效率是高出三成以上所以可能很多人就在期待啦那未來我們的這個技術量產啊落地的應用啊等等這個怎麼樣來進行進展你們請院長說明我們請那個關鍵中心主任來回答"},{"start":474.103,"end":478.69,"text":"委員好 我是關鍵中心主任李超煌那麼目前我們這個技術在3月26號已經開了一個疊層太陽能技術的說明會"},{"start":483.7,"end":506.838,"text":"那麼大概全台灣跟太陽能產業相關的包括材料商、設備商、電池商、模組商都有派代表來參加那麼目前已經有兩個大的公司表示願意加入這個聯發聯盟那麼我們期望初期是以共同研發的方式然後各自去開發各自的製材把這個技術真正落地在台灣可以生產"},{"start":508.239,"end":516.224,"text":"這個我覺得非常的重要就是這是一個很重要的研究技術的突破加上我們跟產業已經開始有在結盟因為我們台灣太陽能板2011年開始設置它的這個太陽能線其實差不多20年所以我們現在這個未來如果能夠技術應用的話除了是在新的案場我們既有案場要更新的時候我們剛好就是達上這一個時間點所以非常的重要也非常的期待那請中央醫院繼續努力加油那我們國遠都會支持你們謝謝"},{"start":538.005,"end":539.316,"text":"好 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