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00:00:58,524\n基本上是的那目前這880億請問兩位的這個分配是怎麼樣請問經濟部是多少錢這個農業部是多少錢呢經濟部本身410億農業部180億你們覺得這樣夠嗎\n\n4\n00:01:03,407 --> 00:01:29,148\n這是第一階段嘛第一階段所以後續還會有第二階段那昨天呢本席其實向經濟部也提出了幾個這個建議那很感謝部長給了非常積極的回應面對這一次的困難本席認為朝野都必須一同努力來度過這個危機那昨天呢本席在地方聽了非常多的意見所以今天在替企業向您反映有部分企業\n\n5\n00:01:30,009 --> 00:01:54,699\n因為被撤單或者是減單導致產量縮減那企業原本跟台電簽的這個契約容量可能會過多那他們希望經濟部跟台電能夠給予企業更多的彈性因為譬如說因為砍單效應而導致的用電量不如預期那對於這些企業是否可以先降低他的基本費率呢\n\n6\n00:01:57,486 --> 00:02:14,135\n那由於局勢一直在變化可能也不適合立刻更改契約針對這些受影響的這些企業是不是部長可以請他們研議來做一個更彈性的做法呢是我們來考慮怎麼樣子來協助他們\n\n7\n00:02:14,983 --> 00:02:27,554\n好因為呢其實企業容量是企業自己評估的可是目前來說很難去評估說下一個階段到底會發生什麼事就好像我們大家都不知道美國會突然對我們課32%的稅那我們今天早上\n\n8\n00:02:30,717 --> 00:02:37,440\n之前也都不知道說美國又會突然說又要變成10%所以我們都不知道說接下來的談判結果是很難預期的所以這些企業其實沒有要佔台電便宜因為坦單效應的話他也不會用那麼多的電假設我們一直維持原本的這個契約容量反而是台電趁著這一次的危機佔了企業的便宜所以希望說在這個事件有定論之前先讓企業有個彈性請拜託部長\n\n9\n00:03:00,669 --> 00:03:15,563\n一定要來協助這些企業我們會協助企業度過這個難關這個是我們第一要務那我們在看他為什麼會被砍單現在已經恢復到這個10%了對他來講實在是沒有延後假設90天以後我們會在這90天裡面\n\n10\n00:03:20,087 --> 00:03:36,432\n看看我們最後談判的結果是怎麼樣再提出第二波的輔助跟這個協助的方案另外有一個情況就跟這個補助有關係了過去那COVID的時候我們有一個紓困方案等於是疫情後的紓困方案那有一些企業現在還在核銷的這個\n\n11\n00:03:40,193 --> 00:03:56,607\n過程當中還沒有完成但現在又遇到這個關稅事件所以如果要申請這一些這個補助的話目前來說他們是不符合資格的他必須先結案之後才可以那這個部分可不可以請部長明確的指示說兩個案子可以脫鉤處理\n\n12\n00:04:00,380 --> 00:04:03,963\n應該是可以脫鉤處理這個我們會趕快研究好謝謝那包括經濟部這一邊就是有沒有可能比照COVID-19的時候給這些受影響的企業這個貸款展延然後能夠不抽銀根那放寬這個信保的審查跟這個作業的流程呢\n\n13\n00:04:21,179 --> 00:04:43,196\n報告委員這個都有我們已經在上一波的這個公告上面都說得非常的清楚我們是展延六個月那這個也不會說加條件我們是放寬是那加速是這一點要拜託經濟部然後部長多多用心來關懷這些企業我想大家一起努力來渡過難關那接下來我想要請教一下農業部是不是請郭部長先請回好了\n\n14\n00:04:48,001 --> 00:05:02,639\n那這一次想要一起度過這個難關然後守護農民的心我想跟部長都是一樣的那我想要先請教一下部長我們的談判團從零關稅談起您的看法為何\n\n15\n00:05:03,180 --> 00:05:26,248\n我想總統所說的零關稅談起不是代表說全部都零關稅那以農業部門來講其實農業部門一個非常重要也是委員所關心的其實農業是守護我們糧食安全的一個非常重要的責任所以後續在談判的過程中我們一定會確保我們的產業能夠穩定而且永續發展我們的農民一定能夠保障的前提之下來處理\n\n16\n00:05:27,208 --> 00:05:47,330\n那本席也想要請教一下請問所有的這些我們剛才講到的我們的農產品是不是也包含在這個零關稅的範圍之內呢我想所有的談判絕對不是說農產品只談農產品或只談工業產品是整個對美的貿易的產品都一起來談\n\n17\n00:05:48,676 --> 00:06:02,655\n所以呢部長說實在您是非常辛苦您這個角色非常辛苦因為你要守護住農民就靠你了因為呢中華民國養雞協會的理事長邱石恩他就講WTO的時候就已經\n\n18\n00:06:03,716 --> 00:06:09,384\n農業就已經犧牲過一次了那我們不希望再讓農業犧牲一次希望可以維持現狀包括白肉雞的關稅維持20%然後雞蛋的進口關稅30%希望可以維持現狀那養豬協會的這個潘連周理事長\n\n19\n00:06:20,618 --> 00:06:46,333\n他也要求說美國怎麼會來要求我們的豬肉不要標示產地呢讓國人連選擇的權利都沒有犧牲台灣的農民對我們的農民跟消費者都不公平所以呢農畜產品絕對不能夠零關稅這一點也希望說部長能夠有所堅持那美國養豬的成本是我們台灣的可能將近\n\n20\n00:06:47,633 --> 00:07:10,567\n可能只有一半而已所以呢如果假設美豬打舉來台的話對我們的業者是剉雷彈所以這個產地標示的原則拜託部長一定要挺住部長您能夠承諾嗎我想後續的談判一定配合政府的整體的談判策略但是以農業部門來講包括我們的產業的一個聲音其實我們農業部都非常了解而且已經有適時的去轉達這樣的一個聲音\n\n21\n00:07:13,348 --> 00:07:34,017\n還是回到一個就是我們在談判我們不會針對影響到我們產業的穩定發展的這些品項去讓步但是本席也很擔心喔因為美國是全球農業最強的這個出口最強國連稻米他都出口那這一次稻米有沒有可能成為美國要求擴大進口的項目呢\n\n22\n00:07:34,437 --> 00:07:50,328\n我想美國他所公告的這個那個貿易的障礙的報告裡面他所就道美來講他說關切的是在這個關稅配額的時候國家配額裡面的底價的訂定啦他覺得不夠透明那這個部分我想我們有適度的調整\n\n23\n00:07:50,828 --> 00:08:04,492\n是因為稻作幾乎佔全台灣農民的兩至三成所以這影響會非常的大那本席就是希望具體要求說最弱勢最無助的這些基層農民絕對不能被犧牲就算為了談判我們擴大進口了農產品包括稻米或者是其他的續產品希望這些農產品不要輕易的進入我們台灣的市場請問部長\n\n24\n00:08:18,396 --> 00:08:22,080\n你理解我講的嗎就是說你就算買進來了你為了我們國家的未來你不得已你必須要買這些農產品是不是買進來了之後不要讓它流入我們台灣的市場來穩定我們台灣這些農民的這些權益跟消費者的這些食安問題\n\n25\n00:08:37,416 --> 00:09:06,478\n我覺得以現在目前稻米的國家配合來講都是由政府去購買進來放在我們的公糧倉庫裡面的所以我還是強調不管後續的談判怎麼樣我們會堅守我們對產業有影響的我們一定會堅持而且談判的過程裡面不是說關稅談到某個程度是立即降稅它還有很多的這種配套的作為那我們一定會爭取我們對我們台灣農產業最有利的方向去跟他們做溝通\n\n26\n00:09:06,698 --> 00:09:22,666\n是部長只要你朝著這個方向去我相信喔不只農民是你的後盾我們立法院包括經濟委員會所有的委員也會是你的後盾那另外我還想要再提出的就是包括我們雲林影響非常大的就是這個台灣雕啊台灣雕呢\n\n27\n00:09:23,106 --> 00:09:52,606\n他非常有可能受影響那他也希望農業部可以盡快的協助他們去開拓其他的高端市場那這一點我在報告裡面有看到你們有提出但是具體怎麼做怎麼去申請沒有資料所以我想這個部分應該不用等880億通過之後再來做因為這應該是農業部本來就應該在關心的事情所以請部長是不是能夠著手加快這個進度協助這些業者來開拓其他的海外市場\n\n28\n00:09:53,386 --> 00:10:13,237\n跟委員報告台灣貂的部分其實我昨天在前陣漁港我們的漁業分組已經召集了所有台灣貂的業者去座談了那相關的整個的一個細節我就希望說我們聽取的意見以後我會在4月應該4月14號照原定的時程是在4月14號會把這個細節公告\n\n29\n00:10:14,918 --> 00:10:32,615\n那這個部分是不是也提供給本席辦公室好嗎因為我們公告的沒有我們這個方案準備好的時候我們會公告但是現在因為遇到有一個問題就是他的關稅就是32%現在暫緩時是90天嘛那是不是如期啟動我想可能這個要必須要去討論\n\n30\n00:10:33,416 --> 00:10:41,099\n就是也許可以讓他們先知道說假設起到了32%他們會面臨的是什麼問題我想如果說32%的關稅的話我們的相關的辦法是什麼先讓他們知道那他們也會有一些心理的適應因為畢竟這對他們來說是一個很大的衝擊那我想只要我們一起站在保護農民的出發點上農業部應該是能夠有很多積極的作為我們一起努力謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8105\t13664\t主席 我想請郭部長還有陳部長好 請兩位部長\n16949\t42568\t今天最新的消息美國的總統川普突然宣布就是針對75個國家對等關稅將延後90天執行那大家可能有一些人是鬆了一口氣但是本席認為這不是解套這只是延長比賽該做的事還是都要做那因為90天很快就過了這應該不影響我們現在目前所規劃的880億的計畫吧兩位部長\n46557\t58524\t基本上是的那目前這880億請問兩位的這個分配是怎麼樣請問經濟部是多少錢這個農業部是多少錢呢經濟部本身410億農業部180億你們覺得這樣夠嗎\n63407\t89148\t這是第一階段嘛第一階段所以後續還會有第二階段那昨天呢本席其實向經濟部也提出了幾個這個建議那很感謝部長給了非常積極的回應面對這一次的困難本席認為朝野都必須一同努力來度過這個危機那昨天呢本席在地方聽了非常多的意見所以今天在替企業向您反映有部分企業\n90009\t114699\t因為被撤單或者是減單導致產量縮減那企業原本跟台電簽的這個契約容量可能會過多那他們希望經濟部跟台電能夠給予企業更多的彈性因為譬如說因為砍單效應而導致的用電量不如預期那對於這些企業是否可以先降低他的基本費率呢\n117486\t134135\t那由於局勢一直在變化可能也不適合立刻更改契約針對這些受影響的這些企業是不是部長可以請他們研議來做一個更彈性的做法呢是 我們來考慮怎麼樣子來協助他們\n134983\t147554\t好因為呢其實企業容量是企業自己評估的可是目前來說很難去評估說下一個階段到底會發生什麼事就好像我們大家都不知道美國會突然對我們課32%的稅那我們今天早上\n150717\t157440\t之前也都不知道說美國又會突然說又要變成10%所以我們都不知道說接下來的談判結果是很難預期的所以這些企業其實沒有要佔台電便宜因為坦單效應的話他也不會用那麼多的電假設我們一直維持原本的這個契約容量反而是台電趁著這一次的危機佔了企業的便宜所以希望說在這個事件有定論之前先讓企業有個彈性請拜託部長\n180669\t195563\t一定要來協助這些企業我們會協助企業度過這個難關這個是我們第一要務那我們在看他為什麼會被砍單現在已經恢復到這個10%了對他來講實在是沒有延後假設90天以後我們會在這90天裡面\n200087\t216432\t看看我們最後談判的結果是怎麼樣再提出第二波的輔助跟這個協助的方案另外有一個情況就跟這個補助有關係了過去那COVID的時候我們有一個紓困方案等於是疫情後的紓困方案那有一些企業現在還在核銷的這個\n220193\t236607\t過程當中還沒有完成但現在又遇到這個關稅事件所以如果要申請這一些這個補助的話目前來說他們是不符合資格的他必須先結案之後才可以那這個部分可不可以請部長明確的指示說兩個案子可以脫鉤處理\n240380\t243963\t應該是可以脫鉤處理 這個我們會趕快研究好 謝謝那包括經濟部這一邊就是有沒有可能比照COVID-19的時候給這些受影響的企業這個貸款展延然後能夠不抽銀根那放寬這個信保的審查跟這個作業的流程呢\n261179\t283196\t報告委員這個都有我們已經在上一波的這個公告上面都說得非常的清楚我們是展延六個月那這個也不會說加條件我們是放寬是那加速是這一點要拜託經濟部然後部長多多用心來關懷這些企業我想大家一起努力來渡過難關那接下來我想要請教一下農業部是不是請郭部長先請回好了\n288001\t302639\t那這一次想要一起度過這個難關然後守護農民的心我想跟部長都是一樣的那我想要先請教一下部長我們的談判團從零關稅談起您的看法為何\n303180\t326248\t我想總統所說的零關稅談起不是代表說全部都零關稅那以農業部門來講其實農業部門一個非常重要也是委員所關心的其實農業是守護我們糧食安全的一個非常重要的責任所以後續在談判的過程中我們一定會確保我們的產業能夠穩定而且永續發展我們的農民一定能夠保障的前提之下來處理\n327208\t347330\t那本席也想要請教一下請問所有的這些我們剛才講到的我們的農產品是不是也包含在這個零關稅的範圍之內呢我想所有的談判絕對不是說農產品只談農產品或只談工業產品是整個對美的貿易的產品都一起來談\n348676\t362655\t所以呢部長說實在您是非常辛苦您這個角色非常辛苦因為你要守護住農民就靠你了因為呢中華民國養雞協會的理事長邱石恩他就講WTO的時候就已經\n363716\t369384\t農業就已經犧牲過一次了那我們不希望再讓農業犧牲一次希望可以維持現狀包括白肉雞的關稅維持20%然後雞蛋的進口關稅30%希望可以維持現狀那養豬協會的這個潘連周理事長\n380618\t406333\t他也要求說美國怎麼會來要求我們的豬肉不要標示產地呢讓國人連選擇的權利都沒有犧牲台灣的農民對我們的農民跟消費者都不公平所以呢農畜產品絕對不能夠零關稅這一點也希望說部長能夠有所堅持那美國養豬的成本是我們台灣的可能將近\n407633\t430567\t可能只有一半而已所以呢如果假設美豬打舉來台的話對我們的業者是剉雷彈所以這個產地標示的原則拜託部長一定要挺住部長您能夠承諾嗎我想後續的談判一定配合政府的整體的談判策略但是以農業部門來講包括我們的產業的一個聲音其實我們農業部都非常了解而且已經有適時的去轉達這樣的一個聲音\n433348\t454017\t還是回到一個就是我們在談判我們不會針對影響到我們產業的穩定發展的這些品項去讓步但是本席也很擔心喔因為美國是全球農業最強的這個出口最強國連稻米他都出口那這一次稻米有沒有可能成為美國要求擴大進口的項目呢\n454437\t470328\t我想美國他所公告的這個那個貿易的障礙的報告裡面他所就道美來講他說關切的是在這個關稅配額的時候國家配額裡面的底價的訂定啦他覺得不夠透明那這個部分我想我們有適度的調整\n470828\t484492\t是因為稻作幾乎佔全台灣農民的兩至三成所以這影響會非常的大那本席就是希望具體要求說最弱勢最無助的這些基層農民絕對不能被犧牲就算為了談判我們擴大進口了農產品包括稻米或者是其他的續產品希望這些農產品不要輕易的進入我們台灣的市場請問部長\n498396\t502080\t你理解我講的嗎就是說你就算買進來了你為了我們國家的未來你不得已你必須要買這些農產品是不是買進來了之後不要讓它流入我們台灣的市場來穩定我們台灣這些農民的這些權益跟消費者的這些食安問題\n517416\t546478\t我覺得以現在目前稻米的國家配合來講都是由政府去購買進來放在我們的公糧倉庫裡面的所以我還是強調不管後續的談判怎麼樣我們會堅守我們對產業有影響的我們一定會堅持而且談判的過程裡面不是說關稅談到某個程度是立即降稅它還有很多的這種配套的作為那我們一定會爭取我們對我們台灣農產業最有利的方向去跟他們做溝通\n546698\t562666\t是部長只要你朝著這個方向去我相信喔不只農民是你的後盾我們立法院包括經濟委員會所有的委員也會是你的後盾那另外我還想要再提出的就是包括我們雲林影響非常大的就是這個台灣雕啊台灣雕呢\n563106\t592606\t他非常有可能受影響那他也希望農業部可以盡快的協助他們去開拓其他的高端市場那這一點我在報告裡面有看到你們有提出但是具體怎麼做怎麼去申請沒有資料所以我想這個部分應該不用等880億通過之後再來做因為這應該是農業部本來就應該在關心的事情所以請部長是不是能夠著手加快這個進度協助這些業者來開拓其他的海外市場\n593386\t613237\t跟委員報告台灣貂的部分其實我昨天在前陣漁港我們的漁業分組已經召集了所有台灣貂的業者去座談了那相關的整個的一個細節我就希望說我們聽取的意見以後我會在4月應該4月14號照原定的時程是在4月14號會把這個細節公告\n614918\t632615\t那這個部分是不是也提供給本席辦公室好嗎因為我們公告的沒有我們這個方案準備好的時候我們會公告但是現在因為遇到有一個問題就是他的關稅就是32%現在暫緩時是90天嘛那是不是如期啟動我想可能這個要必須要去討論\n633416\t641099\t就是也許可以讓他們先知道說假設起到了32%他們會面臨的是什麼問題我想如果說32%的關稅的話我們的相關的辦法是什麼先讓他們知道那他們也會有一些心理的適應因為畢竟這對他們來說是一個很大的衝擊那我想只要我們一起站在保護農民的出發點上農業部應該是能夠有很多積極的作為我們一起努力謝謝\n","txt":"主席 我想請郭部長還有陳部長好 請兩位部長\n今天最新的消息美國的總統川普突然宣布就是針對75個國家對等關稅將延後90天執行那大家可能有一些人是鬆了一口氣但是本席認為這不是解套這只是延長比賽該做的事還是都要做那因為90天很快就過了這應該不影響我們現在目前所規劃的880億的計畫吧兩位部長\n基本上是的那目前這880億請問兩位的這個分配是怎麼樣請問經濟部是多少錢這個農業部是多少錢呢經濟部本身410億農業部180億你們覺得這樣夠嗎\n這是第一階段嘛第一階段所以後續還會有第二階段那昨天呢本席其實向經濟部也提出了幾個這個建議那很感謝部長給了非常積極的回應面對這一次的困難本席認為朝野都必須一同努力來度過這個危機那昨天呢本席在地方聽了非常多的意見所以今天在替企業向您反映有部分企業\n因為被撤單或者是減單導致產量縮減那企業原本跟台電簽的這個契約容量可能會過多那他們希望經濟部跟台電能夠給予企業更多的彈性因為譬如說因為砍單效應而導致的用電量不如預期那對於這些企業是否可以先降低他的基本費率呢\n那由於局勢一直在變化可能也不適合立刻更改契約針對這些受影響的這些企業是不是部長可以請他們研議來做一個更彈性的做法呢是 我們來考慮怎麼樣子來協助他們\n好因為呢其實企業容量是企業自己評估的可是目前來說很難去評估說下一個階段到底會發生什麼事就好像我們大家都不知道美國會突然對我們課32%的稅那我們今天早上\n之前也都不知道說美國又會突然說又要變成10%所以我們都不知道說接下來的談判結果是很難預期的所以這些企業其實沒有要佔台電便宜因為坦單效應的話他也不會用那麼多的電假設我們一直維持原本的這個契約容量反而是台電趁著這一次的危機佔了企業的便宜所以希望說在這個事件有定論之前先讓企業有個彈性請拜託部長\n一定要來協助這些企業我們會協助企業度過這個難關這個是我們第一要務那我們在看他為什麼會被砍單現在已經恢復到這個10%了對他來講實在是沒有延後假設90天以後我們會在這90天裡面\n看看我們最後談判的結果是怎麼樣再提出第二波的輔助跟這個協助的方案另外有一個情況就跟這個補助有關係了過去那COVID的時候我們有一個紓困方案等於是疫情後的紓困方案那有一些企業現在還在核銷的這個\n過程當中還沒有完成但現在又遇到這個關稅事件所以如果要申請這一些這個補助的話目前來說他們是不符合資格的他必須先結案之後才可以那這個部分可不可以請部長明確的指示說兩個案子可以脫鉤處理\n應該是可以脫鉤處理 這個我們會趕快研究好 謝謝那包括經濟部這一邊就是有沒有可能比照COVID-19的時候給這些受影響的企業這個貸款展延然後能夠不抽銀根那放寬這個信保的審查跟這個作業的流程呢\n報告委員這個都有我們已經在上一波的這個公告上面都說得非常的清楚我們是展延六個月那這個也不會說加條件我們是放寬是那加速是這一點要拜託經濟部然後部長多多用心來關懷這些企業我想大家一起努力來渡過難關那接下來我想要請教一下農業部是不是請郭部長先請回好了\n那這一次想要一起度過這個難關然後守護農民的心我想跟部長都是一樣的那我想要先請教一下部長我們的談判團從零關稅談起您的看法為何\n我想總統所說的零關稅談起不是代表說全部都零關稅那以農業部門來講其實農業部門一個非常重要也是委員所關心的其實農業是守護我們糧食安全的一個非常重要的責任所以後續在談判的過程中我們一定會確保我們的產業能夠穩定而且永續發展我們的農民一定能夠保障的前提之下來處理\n那本席也想要請教一下請問所有的這些我們剛才講到的我們的農產品是不是也包含在這個零關稅的範圍之內呢我想所有的談判絕對不是說農產品只談農產品或只談工業產品是整個對美的貿易的產品都一起來談\n所以呢部長說實在您是非常辛苦您這個角色非常辛苦因為你要守護住農民就靠你了因為呢中華民國養雞協會的理事長邱石恩他就講WTO的時候就已經\n農業就已經犧牲過一次了那我們不希望再讓農業犧牲一次希望可以維持現狀包括白肉雞的關稅維持20%然後雞蛋的進口關稅30%希望可以維持現狀那養豬協會的這個潘連周理事長\n他也要求說美國怎麼會來要求我們的豬肉不要標示產地呢讓國人連選擇的權利都沒有犧牲台灣的農民對我們的農民跟消費者都不公平所以呢農畜產品絕對不能夠零關稅這一點也希望說部長能夠有所堅持那美國養豬的成本是我們台灣的可能將近\n可能只有一半而已所以呢如果假設美豬打舉來台的話對我們的業者是剉雷彈所以這個產地標示的原則拜託部長一定要挺住部長您能夠承諾嗎我想後續的談判一定配合政府的整體的談判策略但是以農業部門來講包括我們的產業的一個聲音其實我們農業部都非常了解而且已經有適時的去轉達這樣的一個聲音\n還是回到一個就是我們在談判我們不會針對影響到我們產業的穩定發展的這些品項去讓步但是本席也很擔心喔因為美國是全球農業最強的這個出口最強國連稻米他都出口那這一次稻米有沒有可能成為美國要求擴大進口的項目呢\n我想美國他所公告的這個那個貿易的障礙的報告裡面他所就道美來講他說關切的是在這個關稅配額的時候國家配額裡面的底價的訂定啦他覺得不夠透明那這個部分我想我們有適度的調整\n是因為稻作幾乎佔全台灣農民的兩至三成所以這影響會非常的大那本席就是希望具體要求說最弱勢最無助的這些基層農民絕對不能被犧牲就算為了談判我們擴大進口了農產品包括稻米或者是其他的續產品希望這些農產品不要輕易的進入我們台灣的市場請問部長\n你理解我講的嗎就是說你就算買進來了你為了我們國家的未來你不得已你必須要買這些農產品是不是買進來了之後不要讓它流入我們台灣的市場來穩定我們台灣這些農民的這些權益跟消費者的這些食安問題\n我覺得以現在目前稻米的國家配合來講都是由政府去購買進來放在我們的公糧倉庫裡面的所以我還是強調不管後續的談判怎麼樣我們會堅守我們對產業有影響的我們一定會堅持而且談判的過程裡面不是說關稅談到某個程度是立即降稅它還有很多的這種配套的作為那我們一定會爭取我們對我們台灣農產業最有利的方向去跟他們做溝通\n是部長只要你朝著這個方向去我相信喔不只農民是你的後盾我們立法院包括經濟委員會所有的委員也會是你的後盾那另外我還想要再提出的就是包括我們雲林影響非常大的就是這個台灣雕啊台灣雕呢\n他非常有可能受影響那他也希望農業部可以盡快的協助他們去開拓其他的高端市場那這一點我在報告裡面有看到你們有提出但是具體怎麼做怎麼去申請沒有資料所以我想這個部分應該不用等880億通過之後再來做因為這應該是農業部本來就應該在關心的事情所以請部長是不是能夠著手加快這個進度協助這些業者來開拓其他的海外市場\n跟委員報告台灣貂的部分其實我昨天在前陣漁港我們的漁業分組已經召集了所有台灣貂的業者去座談了那相關的整個的一個細節我就希望說我們聽取的意見以後我會在4月應該4月14號照原定的時程是在4月14號會把這個細節公告\n那這個部分是不是也提供給本席辦公室好嗎因為我們公告的沒有我們這個方案準備好的時候我們會公告但是現在因為遇到有一個問題就是他的關稅就是32%現在暫緩時是90天嘛那是不是如期啟動我想可能這個要必須要去討論\n就是也許可以讓他們先知道說假設起到了32%他們會面臨的是什麼問題我想如果說32%的關稅的話我們的相關的辦法是什麼先讓他們知道那他們也會有一些心理的適應因為畢竟這對他們來說是一個很大的衝擊那我想只要我們一起站在保護農民的出發點上農業部應該是能夠有很多積極的作為我們一起努力謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.105 --> 00:13.664\n主席我想請郭部長還有陳部長好請兩位部長\n\n00:16.949 --> 00:42.568\n今天最新的消息美國的總統川普突然宣布就是針對75個國家對等關稅將延後90天執行那大家可能有一些人是鬆了一口氣但是本席認為這不是解套這只是延長比賽該做的事還是都要做那因為90天很快就過了這應該不影響我們現在目前所規劃的880億的計畫吧兩位部長\n\n00:46.557 --> 00:58.524\n基本上是的那目前這880億請問兩位的這個分配是怎麼樣請問經濟部是多少錢這個農業部是多少錢呢經濟部本身410億農業部180億你們覺得這樣夠嗎\n\n01:03.407 --> 01:29.148\n這是第一階段嘛第一階段所以後續還會有第二階段那昨天呢本席其實向經濟部也提出了幾個這個建議那很感謝部長給了非常積極的回應面對這一次的困難本席認為朝野都必須一同努力來度過這個危機那昨天呢本席在地方聽了非常多的意見所以今天在替企業向您反映有部分企業\n\n01:30.009 --> 01:54.699\n因為被撤單或者是減單導致產量縮減那企業原本跟台電簽的這個契約容量可能會過多那他們希望經濟部跟台電能夠給予企業更多的彈性因為譬如說因為砍單效應而導致的用電量不如預期那對於這些企業是否可以先降低他的基本費率呢\n\n01:57.486 --> 02:14.135\n那由於局勢一直在變化可能也不適合立刻更改契約針對這些受影響的這些企業是不是部長可以請他們研議來做一個更彈性的做法呢是我們來考慮怎麼樣子來協助他們\n\n02:14.983 --> 02:27.554\n好因為呢其實企業容量是企業自己評估的可是目前來說很難去評估說下一個階段到底會發生什麼事就好像我們大家都不知道美國會突然對我們課32%的稅那我們今天早上\n\n02:30.717 --> 02:37.440\n之前也都不知道說美國又會突然說又要變成10%所以我們都不知道說接下來的談判結果是很難預期的所以這些企業其實沒有要佔台電便宜因為坦單效應的話他也不會用那麼多的電假設我們一直維持原本的這個契約容量反而是台電趁著這一次的危機佔了企業的便宜所以希望說在這個事件有定論之前先讓企業有個彈性請拜託部長\n\n03:00.669 --> 03:15.563\n一定要來協助這些企業我們會協助企業度過這個難關這個是我們第一要務那我們在看他為什麼會被砍單現在已經恢復到這個10%了對他來講實在是沒有延後假設90天以後我們會在這90天裡面\n\n03:20.087 --> 03:36.432\n看看我們最後談判的結果是怎麼樣再提出第二波的輔助跟這個協助的方案另外有一個情況就跟這個補助有關係了過去那COVID的時候我們有一個紓困方案等於是疫情後的紓困方案那有一些企業現在還在核銷的這個\n\n03:40.193 --> 03:56.607\n過程當中還沒有完成但現在又遇到這個關稅事件所以如果要申請這一些這個補助的話目前來說他們是不符合資格的他必須先結案之後才可以那這個部分可不可以請部長明確的指示說兩個案子可以脫鉤處理\n\n04:00.380 --> 04:03.963\n應該是可以脫鉤處理這個我們會趕快研究好謝謝那包括經濟部這一邊就是有沒有可能比照COVID-19的時候給這些受影響的企業這個貸款展延然後能夠不抽銀根那放寬這個信保的審查跟這個作業的流程呢\n\n04:21.179 --> 04:43.196\n報告委員這個都有我們已經在上一波的這個公告上面都說得非常的清楚我們是展延六個月那這個也不會說加條件我們是放寬是那加速是這一點要拜託經濟部然後部長多多用心來關懷這些企業我想大家一起努力來渡過難關那接下來我想要請教一下農業部是不是請郭部長先請回好了\n\n04:48.001 --> 05:02.639\n那這一次想要一起度過這個難關然後守護農民的心我想跟部長都是一樣的那我想要先請教一下部長我們的談判團從零關稅談起您的看法為何\n\n05:03.180 --> 05:26.248\n我想總統所說的零關稅談起不是代表說全部都零關稅那以農業部門來講其實農業部門一個非常重要也是委員所關心的其實農業是守護我們糧食安全的一個非常重要的責任所以後續在談判的過程中我們一定會確保我們的產業能夠穩定而且永續發展我們的農民一定能夠保障的前提之下來處理\n\n05:27.208 --> 05:47.330\n那本席也想要請教一下請問所有的這些我們剛才講到的我們的農產品是不是也包含在這個零關稅的範圍之內呢我想所有的談判絕對不是說農產品只談農產品或只談工業產品是整個對美的貿易的產品都一起來談\n\n05:48.676 --> 06:02.655\n所以呢部長說實在您是非常辛苦您這個角色非常辛苦因為你要守護住農民就靠你了因為呢中華民國養雞協會的理事長邱石恩他就講WTO的時候就已經\n\n06:03.716 --> 06:09.384\n農業就已經犧牲過一次了那我們不希望再讓農業犧牲一次希望可以維持現狀包括白肉雞的關稅維持20%然後雞蛋的進口關稅30%希望可以維持現狀那養豬協會的這個潘連周理事長\n\n06:20.618 --> 06:46.333\n他也要求說美國怎麼會來要求我們的豬肉不要標示產地呢讓國人連選擇的權利都沒有犧牲台灣的農民對我們的農民跟消費者都不公平所以呢農畜產品絕對不能夠零關稅這一點也希望說部長能夠有所堅持那美國養豬的成本是我們台灣的可能將近\n\n06:47.633 --> 07:10.567\n可能只有一半而已所以呢如果假設美豬打舉來台的話對我們的業者是剉雷彈所以這個產地標示的原則拜託部長一定要挺住部長您能夠承諾嗎我想後續的談判一定配合政府的整體的談判策略但是以農業部門來講包括我們的產業的一個聲音其實我們農業部都非常了解而且已經有適時的去轉達這樣的一個聲音\n\n07:13.348 --> 07:34.017\n還是回到一個就是我們在談判我們不會針對影響到我們產業的穩定發展的這些品項去讓步但是本席也很擔心喔因為美國是全球農業最強的這個出口最強國連稻米他都出口那這一次稻米有沒有可能成為美國要求擴大進口的項目呢\n\n07:34.437 --> 07:50.328\n我想美國他所公告的這個那個貿易的障礙的報告裡面他所就道美來講他說關切的是在這個關稅配額的時候國家配額裡面的底價的訂定啦他覺得不夠透明那這個部分我想我們有適度的調整\n\n07:50.828 --> 08:04.492\n是因為稻作幾乎佔全台灣農民的兩至三成所以這影響會非常的大那本席就是希望具體要求說最弱勢最無助的這些基層農民絕對不能被犧牲就算為了談判我們擴大進口了農產品包括稻米或者是其他的續產品希望這些農產品不要輕易的進入我們台灣的市場請問部長\n\n08:18.396 --> 08:22.080\n你理解我講的嗎就是說你就算買進來了你為了我們國家的未來你不得已你必須要買這些農產品是不是買進來了之後不要讓它流入我們台灣的市場來穩定我們台灣這些農民的這些權益跟消費者的這些食安問題\n\n08:37.416 --> 09:06.478\n我覺得以現在目前稻米的國家配合來講都是由政府去購買進來放在我們的公糧倉庫裡面的所以我還是強調不管後續的談判怎麼樣我們會堅守我們對產業有影響的我們一定會堅持而且談判的過程裡面不是說關稅談到某個程度是立即降稅它還有很多的這種配套的作為那我們一定會爭取我們對我們台灣農產業最有利的方向去跟他們做溝通\n\n09:06.698 --> 09:22.666\n是部長只要你朝著這個方向去我相信喔不只農民是你的後盾我們立法院包括經濟委員會所有的委員也會是你的後盾那另外我還想要再提出的就是包括我們雲林影響非常大的就是這個台灣雕啊台灣雕呢\n\n09:23.106 --> 09:52.606\n他非常有可能受影響那他也希望農業部可以盡快的協助他們去開拓其他的高端市場那這一點我在報告裡面有看到你們有提出但是具體怎麼做怎麼去申請沒有資料所以我想這個部分應該不用等880億通過之後再來做因為這應該是農業部本來就應該在關心的事情所以請部長是不是能夠著手加快這個進度協助這些業者來開拓其他的海外市場\n\n09:53.386 --> 10:13.237\n跟委員報告台灣貂的部分其實我昨天在前陣漁港我們的漁業分組已經召集了所有台灣貂的業者去座談了那相關的整個的一個細節我就希望說我們聽取的意見以後我會在4月應該4月14號照原定的時程是在4月14號會把這個細節公告\n\n10:14.918 --> 10:32.615\n那這個部分是不是也提供給本席辦公室好嗎因為我們公告的沒有我們這個方案準備好的時候我們會公告但是現在因為遇到有一個問題就是他的關稅就是32%現在暫緩時是90天嘛那是不是如期啟動我想可能這個要必須要去討論\n\n10:33.416 --> 10:41.099\n就是也許可以讓他們先知道說假設起到了32%他們會面臨的是什麼問題我想如果說32%的關稅的話我們的相關的辦法是什麼先讓他們知道那他們也會有一些心理的適應因為畢竟這對他們來說是一個很大的衝擊那我想只要我們一起站在保護農民的出發點上農業部應該是能夠有很多積極的作為我們一起努力謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":8.105,"end":13.664,"text":"主席 我想請郭部長還有陳部長好 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委員嘉郡：但是本席也很擔心，因為美國是全球農業出口最強國，連稻米它都出口，這一次稻米有沒有可能成為美國要求擴大進口的項目呢？"],["陳部長駿季：我想美國公告貿易障礙的報告裡面，就稻米來講，它關切的是在這個關稅配額的時候，國家配額裡面底價的訂定啦，它覺得不夠透明，這個部分我想我們有適度的調整。"],["張委員嘉郡：是，因為稻作幾乎占全臺灣農民的兩至三成，所以影響會非常的大。本席具體要求最弱勢、最無助的這些基層農民權益絕對不能被犧牲，就算為了談判，我們擴大進口了，農產品包括稻米或者是其他的畜產品，希望這一些農產品不要輕易地進入我們臺灣的市場。請問部長，你理解我講的嘛？"],["陳部長駿季：我了解。"],["張委員嘉郡：你就算買進來了，為了我們國家的未來，你不得已必須要買這些農產品，是不是買進來了之後，不要讓它流入我們臺灣的市場，來穩定農民的權益跟消費者的食安問題？"],["陳部長駿季：我就以目前稻米的國家配額來講，都是由政府去購買進來放在我們的公糧倉庫裡面，所以我還是強調，不管後續的談判怎麼樣，我們會堅守，對產業有影響的，我們一定會堅持。而且談判的過程裡面，不是關稅談到某個程度就立即降稅，它還有很多配套的作為，我們一定會爭取對臺灣農產業最有利的方向去跟他們溝通。"],["張委員嘉郡：是，部長，只要你朝著這個方向去，我相信不只農民是你的後盾，立法院包括經濟委員會所有的委員也會是你的後盾。","另外，我還想要再提出，我們雲林影響非常大的就是臺灣鯛，臺灣鯛非常有可能受影響，業者也希望農業部可以儘快協助他們去開拓其他的高端市場。這一點，我在報告裡面看到你們有提出，但是具體怎麼做、怎麼去申請，沒有資料。這個部分應該不用等880億通過之後再來做，因為這應該是農業部本來就在關心的事情，所以部長是不是能夠著手加快進度，協助這些業者開拓其他的海外市場？"],["陳部長駿季：跟委員報告，臺灣鯛的部分其實我昨天在前鎮漁港，我們的漁業署已經召集所有臺灣鯛的業者去座談了，整個相關的細節，我希望我們聽取意見以後，我應該會在4月14號，照原訂的時程在4月14號把這個細節公告。"],["張委員嘉郡：是，這個部分也提供給本席辦公室好嗎？"],["陳部長駿季：沒有，我們這個方案準備好的時候會公告，但是現在遇到一個問題，就是它的關稅，因為32%暫緩實施90天，是不是如期啟動，我想可能這個必須要去討論，但是……"],["張委員嘉郡：也許可以讓他們先知道，假設啟動了32%，他們會面臨的是什麼問題。"],["陳部長駿季：這個沒問題，如果課32%關稅的話，我們相關的辦法、細節一定會出來。"],["張委員嘉郡：是什麼先讓他們知道，他們也會有一些心理的適應啦！"],["陳部長駿季：了解。"],["張委員嘉郡：畢竟這對他們來說是一個很大的衝擊，我想只要我們一起站在保護農民的出發點上，農業部應該能夠有很多積極的作為，我們一起努力，謝謝。"],["陳部長駿季：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝張嘉郡委員。","下一位請陳超明委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":270,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-19-8","speakers":["蔡易餘","邱議瑩","林岱樺","陳亭妃","張啓楷","楊瓊瓔","鄭正鈐","鄭天財Sra 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