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00:03:05,377\n你覺得如果說是不夠的話是大概欠缺哪些地方?欠缺哪方面的條件?需要有一個很好的條件吸引很好的人才什麼樣的條件?需要薪水要很高然後研究經費要很多最重要就是全民要善待這些研究人員不要受政治干預太多希望說研究人員能夠專心做研究能夠鼓勵他們有企圖心往前衝\n\n9\n00:03:06,218 --> 00:03:12,708\n院長我想您講的這些本身都非常的認同真的非常認同但我們就是要慢慢朝這個方向去做不足的要想辦法補起來那當然你也參與過無數的國際會議了那也跟很多諾貝爾獎世界各國諾貝爾獎得主的交流過\n\n10\n00:03:21,861 --> 00:03:46,693\n所以您應該對於這個獲得諾貝爾獎的這個想法就像您剛剛所說的這樣那既然你有這麼多的想法那我們的這個吳主委也是就是求好心切的說出這樣的重話那我們的部長啊其實在當時有一些表述那不曉得這個說法之後您有沒有跟我們的吳主委還有鄭部長去討論過這個事情因為事實上我想我們三個部長兩個部長跟院長是息息相關的嘛\n\n11\n00:03:47,884 --> 00:03:58,218\n事實上之前我們也討論過類似的問題最主要是如何建構台灣一個很好的研究環境所以這個說法之後你們有討論過嗎就這個說法沒有針對這個說法討論過可能找個時間\n\n12\n00:04:02,884 --> 00:04:29,442\n跟一個人聊一聊我覺得對這個是會有幫助的好不好那當然我想在吳主委2月中旬說出這個言論之後我看到了就是中研院有發出一個新聞稿那你有說這個世界和平基金會啟動了一個台灣橋樑計畫要邀請這個中研院台大清大等等我們在台灣很多知名的大學一起參與那要在11月今年的11月到2026明年的4月期間至少來接待至少25位\n\n13\n00:04:32,344 --> 00:04:57,212\n諾貝爾獎得主來台灣交流那我覺得聽到這個消息我覺得很棒那不曉得這是本來的既定計畫還是我們吳主委說完之後我們趕快來做了這個很早以前就既定計畫嘛那本席看到中研院負責邀請跟接待大概是十位諾貝爾獎得主那其中包含了這個諾貝爾和平獎一位物理學獎三位生理學跟醫學獎三位跟化學獎三位那不曉得就是來這麼\n\n14\n00:04:58,952 --> 00:05:19,181\n這麼棒的一個人才來這邊跟我們交流我們要用什麼樣的形式來跟他做交流那這個規劃什麼時候可以完成我們現在的交流形式第一個就是所有的得主他都會給一個公開演講這個公開演講是大家都可以去參與的不是只有中研院所以我們希望開放讓全民都可以聽到這個諾貝爾得獎組的演講\n\n15\n00:05:22,062 --> 00:05:38,001\n所有的大專院校所有的民眾都有機會是不是那很棒啊那這個相關的計畫這樣好不好我們沒有那麼多時間讓你全部闡述完但是我覺得這很重要能不能把書面的報告提供給我們辦公室好不好我其實覺得委員會的委員都可以知道一下好不好\n\n16\n00:05:39,182 --> 00:05:59,954\n那我想那個積蓄院長,鄭當道別院長得主來台交流是非常有助於我們這個學術、眼界也好、經驗也好嘛那可是我看到這一次我們這個台灣橋樑計畫是由這個世界和平基金會來主辦的我擔心是不是就只有這一次那如果感覺這是很好的有沒有可能未來是由我們中研院來把它變成常態性的計畫\n\n17\n00:06:01,054 --> 00:06:22,988\n我們一直都每年都有邀請兩三位諾貝爾獎得主來院演講這一次是因為這個和平基金會他要一次邀請這麼多他輪流在世界不同的國家做這樣的活動所以明年不太可能再有二十幾位也沒那麼多諾貝爾獎了沒有關係我想因為要做到這樣子要做到這樣子恐怕做成常態性他是有難度的\n\n18\n00:06:23,648 --> 00:06:38,407\n但是像您說的兩位三位五位八位我覺得其實真的可以我覺得眾議院常態性來做這件事如果這次的經驗又可以作為一個很好的一個吸收未來我們就這樣做好不好我們幾乎每年至少有一位幾乎好我們繼續加強接下來我想繼續請教一下廖院長\n\n19\n00:06:40,229 --> 00:06:54,765\n我看到你3月26号接受媒体的专访那这个议题上面都绕着我们国家的能源跟科技发展那不管是这个净零核能AI量子科技生技等等那你还提出了这个净零五支箭那整个看起来\n\n20\n00:06:55,185 --> 00:07:11,410\n好像都是比較在這個著重在科學研究但是事實上我們按照中研院主持法第二條規定我們其實還有這個人文社會科學的一個研究那去年我們在審查預算的時候我記憶還猶新我們所有的這個委員大家其實都在講說過去我們都在講說\n\n21\n00:07:13,151 --> 00:07:35,927\n這個中研院是重理工輕人文我們也希望能夠在這個人文跟社會科學上面多下點功夫但是這個訪談當中我們沒有看到這個相關的計畫不知道是不是就是這幾年來我們還是沒有在人文科學上面做一些比較這個相關的計畫或是琢磨那倒不是這樣我們在人文方面投資非常多譬如說我們有這個人文精英獎學金計畫我們就\n\n22\n00:07:37,988 --> 00:08:04,065\n資助全台灣的人文界的博士生每年挑選15位郵政院的資助好那院長那天為什麼沒有提到沒有問到而已沒有問到好像我沒有提到只是沒有登出來好像我沒有提到就是有提到對但是我看到有一些你也會把它主動提起來嘛那我們想就是說如果從你口中說出來應該是現在覺得非常重視的因為我們這個提過好幾次所以記者可能認為說未來我想這個方向\n\n23\n00:08:04,825 --> 00:08:21,972\n還是要加強好不好那再來我想說我們再來談一下我們今天談到很多國家能源發展還有淨零轉型院長您也是國家氣候變遷對策委員會的副召集人我們來討論一件事情也就是說在今年的我們看到是在這個\n\n24\n00:08:23,452 --> 00:08:39,685\n1月23号公布的国家减碳新目标的草案当中相较于基准年就2005我们的目标是2032年要减量32%左右然后2035年要减量38%但是您知道第一阶段的2020年的目标是要减碳多少吗\n\n25\n00:08:41,586 --> 00:08:52,200\n我忘記2020要減淡多少2%但是我們做到了嗎沒有你都不知道要減淡多少都知道沒有做到我知道說沒有達成差一點2%但我們只做到1.89%\n\n26\n00:08:55,845 --> 00:09:24,247\n在2025年的時候我們的目標是要這個能夠減10%但是我們去看2021年我們沒有減反而增加了2.22%2023年的時候我們反而增加了10.39%那你要怎麼樣在第二階段的2025年能夠達到這個減10%的一個這個基準這個我真的很懷疑啦所以我們按照這個數據看起來我們是這個叫做碳排量不減反增而且我們想要這個目標做出來越減越多\n\n27\n00:09:25,248 --> 00:09:47,968\n那這個怎麼會是這樣能不能說明一下這部分這個因為不是中央醫院的全責範圍我們只是從科技的角度看怎麼樣幫忙國家減碳我們不設定減碳的目標那我們盡量能夠做多少做多少那最後請教一下這個減碳這個越減越多您知道台灣前十大碳盤事業是什麼嗎\n\n28\n00:09:52,741 --> 00:10:17,135\n從供給量來講台灣的碳排有50%是來自發電來我跟您提好了前十大的碳排七個發電廠兩個鋼鐵一個石化所以院長你曾經以多次以科學家的身份說台灣不能全依賴綠能但也不能全依賴核能這個淨零不能排除任何一種能源但事實上我們的發電如果沒有辦法轉型為低碳或者綠能是很難達到這個淨零碳排的你認為是嗎\n\n29\n00:10:18,595 --> 00:10:34,461\n對是的好所以我想去年我們質詢了去碳燃氣的技術之外那中研院正在發展這個高效能的太陽能板來增加原有的發電量希望達到50%那我想請教一下那我們這個高效太陽能板什麼時候可以研製出來來進行計轉委員在這裡\n\n30\n00:10:39,468 --> 00:10:51,464\n今天就有啊昨天出來的30%的高效太陽板全部都是國內自研自製連設備都是國內製的真的很棒啊非常好我們詳細請李超常主任來說明一下\n\n31\n00:10:54,428 --> 00:11:12,129\n我是關鍵中心主任李超黃那麼目前這個技術我們在3月26號有開了一個技術說明會那麼國內主要的太陽能廠商相關的廠商也都有派代表來參加那麼目前已經有兩家這個相當大的大廠有表示意願要加入這個研發聯盟\n\n32\n00:11:13,490 --> 00:11:37,866\n好那最後一個問題我就問院長一句話我們剛剛在講說既然我們都研發出來了那你有沒有信心在你的目標2032年跟2035年能達到減碳32%跟38%的目標這方面我沒有仔細來估算因為我們不是全責單位所以至於實際減碳多少這不是中央醫院的全責所以很抱歉這方面我沒有記住\n\n33\n00:11:38,086 --> 00:11:46,855\n但是我們希望各部會我們還是要橫向聯繫那不是說這個不是我的那我覺得大家橫向聯繫才有辦法達到目標好不好好謝謝好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3626\t7929\t好 謝謝昭偉 我們有請廖俊智院長好 有請院長萬委員好好 院長辛苦了我想今天的質詢到現在不論是我們葛如今昭偉或者是林一景昭偉以及我們所有的委員我想對於中研院的預算我們都是充分支持但是本於明代的職責嚴格審查那現在呢\n30024\t44543\t一如过往这几年都一样过去的这个例子就是我们解冻的案子事实上到了四月了五月了那也提醒院长那我们有很多可能都是要靠这个书面报告提出来以后就可以申请解冻案那我想这个\n45083\t67382\t醫警委員也很替中原醫院來設想葛如荊委員也很著急這個解凍案真的也要趕快送上來我們希望知道您的業務非常繁忙但是既然這麼急著預算恐怕在解凍的書面報告上面也要稍微花點心思我們回到我們今天的主題來看院長不知道有沒有看到\n68222\t95109\t這個國科會的吳承文主委在日前他有表示他說台灣沒有諾貝爾獎的得主真是丟臉這話其實有一點重那我們中研院作為最高的研究單位也參與過很多的國際會議會集了無數的精英學者在這裡我們過去李遠哲前院長他是第一個獲獎的台灣人翁啟惠前院長也差一點點他其實就有可能會獲得諾貝爾獎\n97029\t108271\t所以中研院可以說是可能會去催生出台灣這個本土諾貝爾獎得主的一個地方那你是如何看待吳主委這個語重心長的一個說法\n110483\t130123\t諾貝爾講 他其實是要表彰對全人類有重大貢獻的研究這個我理解 但是他說我們一直沒有這個得主是丟臉的事情所以我們不能捨本逐末我們要先追求我們研究有沒有辦法對全世界人類造成重大貢獻\n132645\t155477\t有很多很好貢獻的研究成果不一定拿到諾貝爾獎所以我們應該追求的是我理解您的說法那我請教您一您看當前我們台灣的學術環境以及研究經費等等的相關條件足不足夠能夠催生出我們本土諾貝爾獎的得主目前的客觀條件確實是比較困難\n156978\t185377\t你覺得如果說是不夠的話是大概欠缺哪些地方?欠缺哪方面的條件?需要有一個很好的條件吸引很好的人才什麼樣的條件?需要薪水要很高然後研究經費要很多最重要就是全民要善待這些研究人員不要受政治干預太多希望說研究人員能夠專心做研究能夠鼓勵他們有企圖心往前衝\n186218\t192708\t院長我想您講的這些本身都非常的認同真的非常認同但我們就是要慢慢朝這個方向去做不足的要想辦法補起來那當然你也參與過無數的國際會議了那也跟很多諾貝爾獎世界各國諾貝爾獎得主的交流過\n201861\t226693\t所以您應該對於這個獲得諾貝爾獎的這個想法就像您剛剛所說的這樣那既然你有這麼多的想法那我們的這個吳主委也是就是求好心切的說出這樣的重話那我們的部長啊其實在當時有一些表述那不曉得這個說法之後您有沒有跟我們的吳主委還有鄭部長去討論過這個事情因為事實上我想我們三個部長兩個部長跟院長是息息相關的嘛\n227884\t238218\t事實上之前我們也討論過類似的問題最主要是如何建構台灣一個很好的研究環境所以這個說法之後你們有討論過嗎就這個說法沒有針對這個說法討論過可能找個時間\n242884\t269442\t跟一個人聊一聊我覺得對這個是會有幫助的好不好那當然我想在吳主委2月中旬說出這個言論之後我看到了就是中研院有發出一個新聞稿那你有說這個世界和平基金會啟動了一個台灣橋樑計畫要邀請這個中研院台大 清大等等我們在台灣很多知名的大學一起參與那要在11月今年的11月到2026明年的4月期間至少來接待至少25位\n272344\t297212\t諾貝爾獎得主來台灣交流那我覺得聽到這個消息我覺得很棒那不曉得這是本來的既定計畫還是我們吳主委說完之後我們趕快來做了這個很早以前就既定計畫嘛那本席看到中研院負責邀請跟接待大概是十位諾貝爾獎得主那其中包含了這個諾貝爾和平獎一位物理學獎三位生理學跟醫學獎三位跟化學獎三位那不曉得就是來這麼\n298952\t319181\t這麼棒的一個人才來這邊跟我們交流我們要用什麼樣的形式來跟他做交流那這個規劃什麼時候可以完成我們現在的交流形式第一個就是所有的得主他都會給一個公開演講這個公開演講是大家都可以去參與的不是只有中研院所以我們希望開放讓全民都可以聽到這個諾貝爾得獎組的演講\n322062\t338001\t所有的大專院校所有的民眾都有機會是不是那很棒啊那這個相關的計畫這樣好不好我們沒有那麼多時間讓你全部闡述完但是我覺得這很重要能不能把書面的報告提供給我們辦公室好不好我其實覺得委員會的委員都可以知道一下好不好\n339182\t359954\t那我想那個積蓄院長,鄭當道別院長得主來台交流是非常有助於我們這個學術、眼界也好、經驗也好嘛那可是我看到這一次我們這個台灣橋樑計畫是由這個世界和平基金會來主辦的我擔心是不是就只有這一次那如果感覺這是很好的有沒有可能未來是由我們中研院來把它變成常態性的計畫\n361054\t382988\t我們一直都每年都有邀請兩三位諾貝爾獎得主來院演講這一次是因為這個和平基金會他要一次邀請這麼多他輪流在世界不同的國家做這樣的活動所以明年不太可能再有二十幾位也沒那麼多諾貝爾獎了沒有關係我想因為要做到這樣子要做到這樣子恐怕做成常態性他是有難度的\n383648\t398407\t但是像您說的兩位三位五位八位我覺得其實真的可以我覺得眾議院常態性來做這件事如果這次的經驗又可以作為一個很好的一個吸收未來我們就這樣做好不好我們幾乎每年至少有一位幾乎好我們繼續加強接下來我想繼續請教一下廖院長\n400229\t414765\t我看到你3月26号接受媒体的专访那这个议题上面都绕着我们国家的能源跟科技发展那不管是这个净零核能AI量子科技生技等等那你还提出了这个净零五支箭那整个看起来\n415185\t431410\t好像都是比較在這個著重在科學研究但是事實上我們按照中研院主持法第二條規定我們其實還有這個人文社會科學的一個研究那去年我們在審查預算的時候我記憶還猶新我們所有的這個委員大家其實都在講說過去我們都在講說\n433151\t455927\t這個中研院是重理工輕人文我們也希望能夠在這個人文跟社會科學上面多下點功夫但是這個訪談當中我們沒有看到這個相關的計畫不知道是不是就是這幾年來我們還是沒有在人文科學上面做一些比較這個相關的計畫或是琢磨那倒不是這樣我們在人文方面投資非常多譬如說我們有這個人文精英獎學金計畫我們就\n457988\t484065\t資助全台灣的人文界的博士生每年挑選15位郵政院的資助好 那院長那天為什麼沒有提到沒有問到而已沒有問到好像我沒有提到只是沒有登出來好像我沒有提到就是有提到對 但是我看到有一些你也會把它主動提起來嘛那我們想就是說如果從你口中說出來應該是現在覺得非常重視的因為我們這個提過好幾次所以記者可能認為說未來我想這個方向\n484825\t501972\t還是要加強好不好那再來我想說我們再來談一下我們今天談到很多國家能源發展還有淨零轉型院長您也是國家氣候變遷對策委員會的副召集人我們來討論一件事情也就是說在今年的我們看到是在這個\n503452\t519685\t1月23号公布的国家减碳新目标的草案当中相较于基准年就2005我们的目标是2032年要减量32%左右然后2035年要减量38%但是您知道第一阶段的2020年的目标是要减碳多少吗\n521586\t532200\t我忘記2020要減淡多少2%但是我們做到了嗎沒有你都不知道要減淡多少都知道沒有做到我知道說沒有達成差一點2%但我們只做到1.89%\n535845\t564247\t在2025年的時候我們的目標是要這個能夠減10%但是我們去看2021年我們沒有減反而增加了2.22%2023年的時候我們反而增加了10.39%那你要怎麼樣在第二階段的2025年能夠達到這個減10%的一個這個基準這個我真的很懷疑啦所以我們按照這個數據看起來我們是這個叫做碳排量不減反增而且我們想要這個目標做出來越減越多\n565248\t587968\t那這個怎麼會是這樣能不能說明一下這部分這個因為不是中央醫院的全責範圍我們只是從科技的角度看怎麼樣幫忙國家減碳我們不設定減碳的目標那我們盡量能夠做多少做多少那最後請教一下這個減碳這個越減越多您知道台灣前十大碳盤事業是什麼嗎\n592741\t617135\t從供給量來講台灣的碳排有50%是來自發電來我跟您提好了前十大的碳排七個發電廠兩個鋼鐵一個石化所以院長你曾經以多次以科學家的身份說台灣不能全依賴綠能但也不能全依賴核能這個淨零不能排除任何一種能源但事實上我們的發電如果沒有辦法轉型為低碳或者綠能是很難達到這個淨零碳排的你認為是嗎\n618595\t634461\t對是的好所以我想去年我們質詢了去碳燃氣的技術之外那中研院正在發展這個高效能的太陽能板來增加原有的發電量希望達到50%那我想請教一下那我們這個高效太陽能板什麼時候可以研製出來來進行計轉委員在這裡\n639468\t651464\t今天就有啊昨天出來的30%的高效太陽板全部都是國內自研自製連設備都是國內製的真的很棒啊非常好我們詳細請李超常主任來說明一下\n654428\t672129\t我是關鍵中心主任李超黃 那麼目前這個技術我們在3月26號有開了一個技術說明會那麼國內主要的太陽能廠商 相關的廠商也都有派代表來參加那麼目前已經有兩家這個相當大的大廠有表示意願要加入這個研發聯盟\n673490\t697866\t好那最後一個問題我就問院長一句話我們剛剛在講說既然我們都研發出來了那你有沒有信心在你的目標2032年跟2035年能達到減碳32%跟38%的目標這方面我沒有仔細來估算因為我們不是全責單位所以至於實際減碳多少這不是中央醫院的全責所以很抱歉這方面我沒有記住\n698086\t706855\t但是我們希望各部會我們還是要橫向聯繫那不是說這個不是我的那我覺得大家橫向聯繫才有辦法達到目標好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝昭偉 我們有請廖俊智院長好 有請院長萬委員好好 院長辛苦了我想今天的質詢到現在不論是我們葛如今昭偉或者是林一景昭偉以及我們所有的委員我想對於中研院的預算我們都是充分支持但是本於明代的職責嚴格審查那現在呢\n一如过往这几年都一样过去的这个例子就是我们解冻的案子事实上到了四月了五月了那也提醒院长那我们有很多可能都是要靠这个书面报告提出来以后就可以申请解冻案那我想这个\n醫警委員也很替中原醫院來設想葛如荊委員也很著急這個解凍案真的也要趕快送上來我們希望知道您的業務非常繁忙但是既然這麼急著預算恐怕在解凍的書面報告上面也要稍微花點心思我們回到我們今天的主題來看院長不知道有沒有看到\n這個國科會的吳承文主委在日前他有表示他說台灣沒有諾貝爾獎的得主真是丟臉這話其實有一點重那我們中研院作為最高的研究單位也參與過很多的國際會議會集了無數的精英學者在這裡我們過去李遠哲前院長他是第一個獲獎的台灣人翁啟惠前院長也差一點點他其實就有可能會獲得諾貝爾獎\n所以中研院可以說是可能會去催生出台灣這個本土諾貝爾獎得主的一個地方那你是如何看待吳主委這個語重心長的一個說法\n諾貝爾講 他其實是要表彰對全人類有重大貢獻的研究這個我理解 但是他說我們一直沒有這個得主是丟臉的事情所以我們不能捨本逐末我們要先追求我們研究有沒有辦法對全世界人類造成重大貢獻\n有很多很好貢獻的研究成果不一定拿到諾貝爾獎所以我們應該追求的是我理解您的說法那我請教您一您看當前我們台灣的學術環境以及研究經費等等的相關條件足不足夠能夠催生出我們本土諾貝爾獎的得主目前的客觀條件確實是比較困難\n你覺得如果說是不夠的話是大概欠缺哪些地方?欠缺哪方面的條件?需要有一個很好的條件吸引很好的人才什麼樣的條件?需要薪水要很高然後研究經費要很多最重要就是全民要善待這些研究人員不要受政治干預太多希望說研究人員能夠專心做研究能夠鼓勵他們有企圖心往前衝\n院長我想您講的這些本身都非常的認同真的非常認同但我們就是要慢慢朝這個方向去做不足的要想辦法補起來那當然你也參與過無數的國際會議了那也跟很多諾貝爾獎世界各國諾貝爾獎得主的交流過\n所以您應該對於這個獲得諾貝爾獎的這個想法就像您剛剛所說的這樣那既然你有這麼多的想法那我們的這個吳主委也是就是求好心切的說出這樣的重話那我們的部長啊其實在當時有一些表述那不曉得這個說法之後您有沒有跟我們的吳主委還有鄭部長去討論過這個事情因為事實上我想我們三個部長兩個部長跟院長是息息相關的嘛\n事實上之前我們也討論過類似的問題最主要是如何建構台灣一個很好的研究環境所以這個說法之後你們有討論過嗎就這個說法沒有針對這個說法討論過可能找個時間\n跟一個人聊一聊我覺得對這個是會有幫助的好不好那當然我想在吳主委2月中旬說出這個言論之後我看到了就是中研院有發出一個新聞稿那你有說這個世界和平基金會啟動了一個台灣橋樑計畫要邀請這個中研院台大 清大等等我們在台灣很多知名的大學一起參與那要在11月今年的11月到2026明年的4月期間至少來接待至少25位\n諾貝爾獎得主來台灣交流那我覺得聽到這個消息我覺得很棒那不曉得這是本來的既定計畫還是我們吳主委說完之後我們趕快來做了這個很早以前就既定計畫嘛那本席看到中研院負責邀請跟接待大概是十位諾貝爾獎得主那其中包含了這個諾貝爾和平獎一位物理學獎三位生理學跟醫學獎三位跟化學獎三位那不曉得就是來這麼\n這麼棒的一個人才來這邊跟我們交流我們要用什麼樣的形式來跟他做交流那這個規劃什麼時候可以完成我們現在的交流形式第一個就是所有的得主他都會給一個公開演講這個公開演講是大家都可以去參與的不是只有中研院所以我們希望開放讓全民都可以聽到這個諾貝爾得獎組的演講\n所有的大專院校所有的民眾都有機會是不是那很棒啊那這個相關的計畫這樣好不好我們沒有那麼多時間讓你全部闡述完但是我覺得這很重要能不能把書面的報告提供給我們辦公室好不好我其實覺得委員會的委員都可以知道一下好不好\n那我想那個積蓄院長,鄭當道別院長得主來台交流是非常有助於我們這個學術、眼界也好、經驗也好嘛那可是我看到這一次我們這個台灣橋樑計畫是由這個世界和平基金會來主辦的我擔心是不是就只有這一次那如果感覺這是很好的有沒有可能未來是由我們中研院來把它變成常態性的計畫\n我們一直都每年都有邀請兩三位諾貝爾獎得主來院演講這一次是因為這個和平基金會他要一次邀請這麼多他輪流在世界不同的國家做這樣的活動所以明年不太可能再有二十幾位也沒那麼多諾貝爾獎了沒有關係我想因為要做到這樣子要做到這樣子恐怕做成常態性他是有難度的\n但是像您說的兩位三位五位八位我覺得其實真的可以我覺得眾議院常態性來做這件事如果這次的經驗又可以作為一個很好的一個吸收未來我們就這樣做好不好我們幾乎每年至少有一位幾乎好我們繼續加強接下來我想繼續請教一下廖院長\n我看到你3月26号接受媒体的专访那这个议题上面都绕着我们国家的能源跟科技发展那不管是这个净零核能AI量子科技生技等等那你还提出了这个净零五支箭那整个看起来\n好像都是比較在這個著重在科學研究但是事實上我們按照中研院主持法第二條規定我們其實還有這個人文社會科學的一個研究那去年我們在審查預算的時候我記憶還猶新我們所有的這個委員大家其實都在講說過去我們都在講說\n這個中研院是重理工輕人文我們也希望能夠在這個人文跟社會科學上面多下點功夫但是這個訪談當中我們沒有看到這個相關的計畫不知道是不是就是這幾年來我們還是沒有在人文科學上面做一些比較這個相關的計畫或是琢磨那倒不是這樣我們在人文方面投資非常多譬如說我們有這個人文精英獎學金計畫我們就\n資助全台灣的人文界的博士生每年挑選15位郵政院的資助好 那院長那天為什麼沒有提到沒有問到而已沒有問到好像我沒有提到只是沒有登出來好像我沒有提到就是有提到對 但是我看到有一些你也會把它主動提起來嘛那我們想就是說如果從你口中說出來應該是現在覺得非常重視的因為我們這個提過好幾次所以記者可能認為說未來我想這個方向\n還是要加強好不好那再來我想說我們再來談一下我們今天談到很多國家能源發展還有淨零轉型院長您也是國家氣候變遷對策委員會的副召集人我們來討論一件事情也就是說在今年的我們看到是在這個\n1月23号公布的国家减碳新目标的草案当中相较于基准年就2005我们的目标是2032年要减量32%左右然后2035年要减量38%但是您知道第一阶段的2020年的目标是要减碳多少吗\n我忘記2020要減淡多少2%但是我們做到了嗎沒有你都不知道要減淡多少都知道沒有做到我知道說沒有達成差一點2%但我們只做到1.89%\n在2025年的時候我們的目標是要這個能夠減10%但是我們去看2021年我們沒有減反而增加了2.22%2023年的時候我們反而增加了10.39%那你要怎麼樣在第二階段的2025年能夠達到這個減10%的一個這個基準這個我真的很懷疑啦所以我們按照這個數據看起來我們是這個叫做碳排量不減反增而且我們想要這個目標做出來越減越多\n那這個怎麼會是這樣能不能說明一下這部分這個因為不是中央醫院的全責範圍我們只是從科技的角度看怎麼樣幫忙國家減碳我們不設定減碳的目標那我們盡量能夠做多少做多少那最後請教一下這個減碳這個越減越多您知道台灣前十大碳盤事業是什麼嗎\n從供給量來講台灣的碳排有50%是來自發電來我跟您提好了前十大的碳排七個發電廠兩個鋼鐵一個石化所以院長你曾經以多次以科學家的身份說台灣不能全依賴綠能但也不能全依賴核能這個淨零不能排除任何一種能源但事實上我們的發電如果沒有辦法轉型為低碳或者綠能是很難達到這個淨零碳排的你認為是嗎\n對是的好所以我想去年我們質詢了去碳燃氣的技術之外那中研院正在發展這個高效能的太陽能板來增加原有的發電量希望達到50%那我想請教一下那我們這個高效太陽能板什麼時候可以研製出來來進行計轉委員在這裡\n今天就有啊昨天出來的30%的高效太陽板全部都是國內自研自製連設備都是國內製的真的很棒啊非常好我們詳細請李超常主任來說明一下\n我是關鍵中心主任李超黃 那麼目前這個技術我們在3月26號有開了一個技術說明會那麼國內主要的太陽能廠商 相關的廠商也都有派代表來參加那麼目前已經有兩家這個相當大的大廠有表示意願要加入這個研發聯盟\n好那最後一個問題我就問院長一句話我們剛剛在講說既然我們都研發出來了那你有沒有信心在你的目標2032年跟2035年能達到減碳32%跟38%的目標這方面我沒有仔細來估算因為我們不是全責單位所以至於實際減碳多少這不是中央醫院的全責所以很抱歉這方面我沒有記住\n但是我們希望各部會我們還是要橫向聯繫那不是說這個不是我的那我覺得大家橫向聯繫才有辦法達到目標好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.626 --> 00:07.929\n好謝謝昭偉我們有請廖俊智院長好有請院長萬委員好好院長辛苦了我想今天的質詢到現在不論是我們葛如今昭偉或者是林一景昭偉以及我們所有的委員我想對於中研院的預算我們都是充分支持但是本於明代的職責嚴格審查那現在呢\n\n00:30.024 --> 00:44.543\n一如过往这几年都一样过去的这个例子就是我们解冻的案子事实上到了四月了五月了那也提醒院长那我们有很多可能都是要靠这个书面报告提出来以后就可以申请解冻案那我想这个\n\n00:45.083 --> 01:07.382\n醫警委員也很替中原醫院來設想葛如荊委員也很著急這個解凍案真的也要趕快送上來我們希望知道您的業務非常繁忙但是既然這麼急著預算恐怕在解凍的書面報告上面也要稍微花點心思我們回到我們今天的主題來看院長不知道有沒有看到\n\n01:08.222 --> 01:35.109\n這個國科會的吳承文主委在日前他有表示他說台灣沒有諾貝爾獎的得主真是丟臉這話其實有一點重那我們中研院作為最高的研究單位也參與過很多的國際會議會集了無數的精英學者在這裡我們過去李遠哲前院長他是第一個獲獎的台灣人翁啟惠前院長也差一點點他其實就有可能會獲得諾貝爾獎\n\n01:37.029 --> 01:48.271\n所以中研院可以說是可能會去催生出台灣這個本土諾貝爾獎得主的一個地方那你是如何看待吳主委這個語重心長的一個說法\n\n01:50.483 --> 02:10.123\n諾貝爾講他其實是要表彰對全人類有重大貢獻的研究這個我理解但是他說我們一直沒有這個得主是丟臉的事情所以我們不能捨本逐末我們要先追求我們研究有沒有辦法對全世界人類造成重大貢獻\n\n02:12.645 --> 02:35.477\n有很多很好貢獻的研究成果不一定拿到諾貝爾獎所以我們應該追求的是我理解您的說法那我請教您一您看當前我們台灣的學術環境以及研究經費等等的相關條件足不足夠能夠催生出我們本土諾貝爾獎的得主目前的客觀條件確實是比較困難\n\n02:36.978 --> 03:05.377\n你覺得如果說是不夠的話是大概欠缺哪些地方?欠缺哪方面的條件?需要有一個很好的條件吸引很好的人才什麼樣的條件?需要薪水要很高然後研究經費要很多最重要就是全民要善待這些研究人員不要受政治干預太多希望說研究人員能夠專心做研究能夠鼓勵他們有企圖心往前衝\n\n03:06.218 --> 03:12.708\n院長我想您講的這些本身都非常的認同真的非常認同但我們就是要慢慢朝這個方向去做不足的要想辦法補起來那當然你也參與過無數的國際會議了那也跟很多諾貝爾獎世界各國諾貝爾獎得主的交流過\n\n03:21.861 --> 03:46.693\n所以您應該對於這個獲得諾貝爾獎的這個想法就像您剛剛所說的這樣那既然你有這麼多的想法那我們的這個吳主委也是就是求好心切的說出這樣的重話那我們的部長啊其實在當時有一些表述那不曉得這個說法之後您有沒有跟我們的吳主委還有鄭部長去討論過這個事情因為事實上我想我們三個部長兩個部長跟院長是息息相關的嘛\n\n03:47.884 --> 03:58.218\n事實上之前我們也討論過類似的問題最主要是如何建構台灣一個很好的研究環境所以這個說法之後你們有討論過嗎就這個說法沒有針對這個說法討論過可能找個時間\n\n04:02.884 --> 04:29.442\n跟一個人聊一聊我覺得對這個是會有幫助的好不好那當然我想在吳主委2月中旬說出這個言論之後我看到了就是中研院有發出一個新聞稿那你有說這個世界和平基金會啟動了一個台灣橋樑計畫要邀請這個中研院台大清大等等我們在台灣很多知名的大學一起參與那要在11月今年的11月到2026明年的4月期間至少來接待至少25位\n\n04:32.344 --> 04:57.212\n諾貝爾獎得主來台灣交流那我覺得聽到這個消息我覺得很棒那不曉得這是本來的既定計畫還是我們吳主委說完之後我們趕快來做了這個很早以前就既定計畫嘛那本席看到中研院負責邀請跟接待大概是十位諾貝爾獎得主那其中包含了這個諾貝爾和平獎一位物理學獎三位生理學跟醫學獎三位跟化學獎三位那不曉得就是來這麼\n\n04:58.952 --> 05:19.181\n這麼棒的一個人才來這邊跟我們交流我們要用什麼樣的形式來跟他做交流那這個規劃什麼時候可以完成我們現在的交流形式第一個就是所有的得主他都會給一個公開演講這個公開演講是大家都可以去參與的不是只有中研院所以我們希望開放讓全民都可以聽到這個諾貝爾得獎組的演講\n\n05:22.062 --> 05:38.001\n所有的大專院校所有的民眾都有機會是不是那很棒啊那這個相關的計畫這樣好不好我們沒有那麼多時間讓你全部闡述完但是我覺得這很重要能不能把書面的報告提供給我們辦公室好不好我其實覺得委員會的委員都可以知道一下好不好\n\n05:39.182 --> 05:59.954\n那我想那個積蓄院長,鄭當道別院長得主來台交流是非常有助於我們這個學術、眼界也好、經驗也好嘛那可是我看到這一次我們這個台灣橋樑計畫是由這個世界和平基金會來主辦的我擔心是不是就只有這一次那如果感覺這是很好的有沒有可能未來是由我們中研院來把它變成常態性的計畫\n\n06:01.054 --> 06:22.988\n我們一直都每年都有邀請兩三位諾貝爾獎得主來院演講這一次是因為這個和平基金會他要一次邀請這麼多他輪流在世界不同的國家做這樣的活動所以明年不太可能再有二十幾位也沒那麼多諾貝爾獎了沒有關係我想因為要做到這樣子要做到這樣子恐怕做成常態性他是有難度的\n\n06:23.648 --> 06:38.407\n但是像您說的兩位三位五位八位我覺得其實真的可以我覺得眾議院常態性來做這件事如果這次的經驗又可以作為一個很好的一個吸收未來我們就這樣做好不好我們幾乎每年至少有一位幾乎好我們繼續加強接下來我想繼續請教一下廖院長\n\n06:40.229 --> 06:54.765\n我看到你3月26号接受媒体的专访那这个议题上面都绕着我们国家的能源跟科技发展那不管是这个净零核能AI量子科技生技等等那你还提出了这个净零五支箭那整个看起来\n\n06:55.185 --> 07:11.410\n好像都是比較在這個著重在科學研究但是事實上我們按照中研院主持法第二條規定我們其實還有這個人文社會科學的一個研究那去年我們在審查預算的時候我記憶還猶新我們所有的這個委員大家其實都在講說過去我們都在講說\n\n07:13.151 --> 07:35.927\n這個中研院是重理工輕人文我們也希望能夠在這個人文跟社會科學上面多下點功夫但是這個訪談當中我們沒有看到這個相關的計畫不知道是不是就是這幾年來我們還是沒有在人文科學上面做一些比較這個相關的計畫或是琢磨那倒不是這樣我們在人文方面投資非常多譬如說我們有這個人文精英獎學金計畫我們就\n\n07:37.988 --> 08:04.065\n資助全台灣的人文界的博士生每年挑選15位郵政院的資助好那院長那天為什麼沒有提到沒有問到而已沒有問到好像我沒有提到只是沒有登出來好像我沒有提到就是有提到對但是我看到有一些你也會把它主動提起來嘛那我們想就是說如果從你口中說出來應該是現在覺得非常重視的因為我們這個提過好幾次所以記者可能認為說未來我想這個方向\n\n08:04.825 --> 08:21.972\n還是要加強好不好那再來我想說我們再來談一下我們今天談到很多國家能源發展還有淨零轉型院長您也是國家氣候變遷對策委員會的副召集人我們來討論一件事情也就是說在今年的我們看到是在這個\n\n08:23.452 --> 08:39.685\n1月23号公布的国家减碳新目标的草案当中相较于基准年就2005我们的目标是2032年要减量32%左右然后2035年要减量38%但是您知道第一阶段的2020年的目标是要减碳多少吗\n\n08:41.586 --> 08:52.200\n我忘記2020要減淡多少2%但是我們做到了嗎沒有你都不知道要減淡多少都知道沒有做到我知道說沒有達成差一點2%但我們只做到1.89%\n\n08:55.845 --> 09:24.247\n在2025年的時候我們的目標是要這個能夠減10%但是我們去看2021年我們沒有減反而增加了2.22%2023年的時候我們反而增加了10.39%那你要怎麼樣在第二階段的2025年能夠達到這個減10%的一個這個基準這個我真的很懷疑啦所以我們按照這個數據看起來我們是這個叫做碳排量不減反增而且我們想要這個目標做出來越減越多\n\n09:25.248 --> 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