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00:00:09,597\n謝謝主席麻煩請這個央行然後央行總裁請央行金管會財政部金管會彭主委財政部專部長經濟部也有經濟部副次長好\n\n2\n00:00:18,373 --> 00:00:40,792\n各位我們政府重要的這個首長這個今天幸好早上這個訊息至少我們還要多了這個90天可以應對啦那我記得我們之前這個兩個禮拜前我們賴昭偉排這個案子的時候我記得剛剛那個執行局財政委員還說哪有被列入什麼骯髒十五國啊這個議題是假議題啊那我記得那時候那時候還訓了我們\n\n3\n00:00:42,373 --> 00:00:57,861\n朝偉一頓說好像排這個很不應該結果我看到我們朝偉事實上有閒見之明那現在後來這個發生這個32%這件事情但是我在上禮拜看到我們在討論這個議題的時候我們各個部會的報告包括那個談判辦公室的報告事實上都有一點不痛不癢\n\n4\n00:00:59,541 --> 00:01:16,986\n他這個32%的這個關稅核戰是讓衝擊全球雖然說他現在暫緩90天現在還是先用10%但是90天後我們一樣要面對嘛所以我們現在要趕快想出辦法還有可能的這個的問題然後大家看一下當初可能被列入骯髒15國3015的時候那時候我們的預判財政部說這個會做好運運實際衝擊預算預期有限這是當初財政部上上禮拜的說法這個這個\n\n5\n00:01:25,928 --> 00:01:54,639\n朱美麗這一位是我們央行副總裁她說對等關稅影響台灣有限有限物價穩定OK好金管會也說短期波動難免但是我們有上次公司有應應風險的韌性結果沒想到你看一發布32%以後連跌了三到四天好幾千點那當然今天又回來但是我的意思說當初各個部會財政部金管會央行那時候你們是真的覺得\n\n6\n00:01:55,399 --> 00:02:01,526\n如果說因為他現在有給90天如果沒有你們現在還是覺得當初回到當初那時候是不是實質影響衝擊有限32%會有限嗎\n\n7\n00:02:03,991 --> 00:02:28,321\n總裁你所謂的三十二八就是原來他宣布現在是暫緩了不是說沒有就三十二八這個對等關稅你們當初在這之前你們的預判都是影響有限我們那時候你們是不是全是預判失準我想就是說這個判斷事實上我總覺得連美國他本身第一個連川普總統他也沒有想到就是說他的這個措施下去會導致\n\n8\n00:02:29,682 --> 00:02:43,197\n他沒有想到他的這個措施呢就是說大家都沒有想到我的意思是說那我們這些部位首長不管是央行還有農委會幾乎全球的主管機關都沒有想到\n\n9\n00:02:50,145 --> 00:03:15,435\n但是我們是不是也太過大意?因為上個禮拜民進黨委員還說這個根本不太重要你如果說我們都會大意的話川普在實施之前他都這麼說華爾街不會有問題但是呢隔天立實施的時候華爾街大跌而且連續跌了好幾跌我的意思是要跟大家提醒幸好今天有這個時間我也跟委員報告\n\n10\n00:03:20,077 --> 00:03:29,884\n事實上連費的他也沒有想到現在就說他這個不合理的公式大家都認為是不合理應該是都認為這個不合理他這種什麼算法我們根本是因為互補事實上我們的關稅財政部也在這裡我們跟他的關稅我們是6.5他們是3.3差距才3%而已沒有事實上所謂的什麼64%對不對這個是要讓百姓知道沒錯吧財政部關稅你們在那個了\n\n11\n00:03:47,561 --> 00:04:12,362\n是的委員也就是說在上一次的專案報告裡面財政部的報告是針對有關我們跟美國的相關的一些關稅的關稅的稅率的一個比較以及還有進出客戶數據的分析但是我們並沒有說影響有限我們裡面就是說我們會密切的關注這個部分所以你們有注意那沒關係現在既然有90天我很高興有這個90天\n\n12\n00:04:14,884 --> 00:04:21,768\n有這個條件我們現在還是要往後看看怎麼樣幫助我們的產業實際解決問題才是重點現在90天後要怎麼樣來解決這個危機我們來看一下他的要求是什麼經濟部、農業部有沒有做好相關的評估還有我們現在可以做什麼我想請問財政部有什麼想法\n\n13\n00:04:36,917 --> 00:04:52,455\n比如說對於零關稅總統說零關稅吧那比如說如果真的零關稅那汽車這個部分是不是從零關稅開始談起跟委員報告我想總統已經提過就是我們會有組成一個所謂的談判的一個小組會由政府院長領軍\n\n14\n00:04:53,669 --> 00:05:20,568\n那在談判小組都一直在模擬如果談判官要達成他的目的嘛他有美國汽車產業嘛對各種方案那對於就是說你們有沒有做影響評估對國內的產業的影響會有產業主管你們做了評估了沒有我們在這裡要求汽車這個降稅已經要求很久了也可以幫助國內的那降稅的部分會對產業的一個影響你們做了評估了沒有是由經濟部跟經濟部來做評估所以這經濟部是喔汽車產業的影響農業部也上來一下\n\n15\n00:05:22,967 --> 00:05:37,603\n還有農業部的部分到時候如果零關稅農業部的杜次長請來經濟部你先回答就是說如果汽車零關稅到時候適用WPO是不是全部一體適用對汽車產業的影響有沒有做過那你們可不可能這樣做\n\n16\n00:05:38,564 --> 00:05:42,787\n我們當然會為國內的汽車產業爭取最大的權利這個零關稅確實對國內的產業是有一些衝擊的當然我們會在對美談判的時候爭取最大的權利\n\n17\n00:05:56,196 --> 00:06:12,399\n總統說要從零關稅談起啊所以有可能啦所以我們還是希望能夠爭取最大的不可能啦美國不會接受啊汽車產業是他重要的產業啊我想請問農業部到時候零關稅農民受到農牧業都受到很大的衝擊你知道吧\n\n18\n00:06:13,399 --> 00:06:27,466\n那你們可以接受嗎從零開始談但不代表全部都要是零那如果美國就這樣要求你們會接受嗎我想對我們來講重要的產品一定要保護著所以你們不會接受那總統要零關稅啊如果美國就這樣要求咧\n\n19\n00:06:28,566 --> 00:06:47,714\n從林冠慧開始談不代表全部都要變成如果美國就這樣要求咧不然30天後要給你32%我們一定會拒以利爭因為拒以利爭沒有他就是要32%重要的農產品還是要還是有他所以你們也不支持嘛那你們都不支持在總統喔來央行那請問這個大家很多財經專家說這就是美債嘛你剛也提到了嘛\n\n20\n00:06:48,194 --> 00:07:03,223\n那就是為了你覺得說你會不會同意放手讓那現在已經升值了你會不會同意放手升值或者同意讓持有美債從一年短期債變成長期債甚至無期債我跟委員報告就是說中央銀行從來沒有就是說\n\n21\n00:07:04,744 --> 00:07:09,585\n新台幣不能升值或是新台幣不能貶值我們總覺得這個匯率是由市場來決定他要升值就要讓他升值啊中央銀行的角色只能就是說讓新台幣的匯率它的波動幅度不要太大怎麼波動幅度不會太大\n\n22\n00:07:29,850 --> 00:07:58,030\n一天降兩千一天跌兩千多點一天升一千多點這個外資進出不會波動太大對啦不會還是會現在的中央銀行的匯率呢它現在的波動弧度是比以前還大的但是你也不會去控制啦因為這等於是非關稅的壁壘所以你那個資金的匯出進來出去有些時候都是很短時間都是很巨額的\n\n23\n00:07:58,630 --> 00:08:21,217\n那你一定要讓這個匯率能夠穩定這樣才會好所以你不控制然後他還可以穩定喔?呃...不...呃...不...我們...沒關係啊廖長總裁我不為難您啦齁這個為國家好這個問題我不會往下問啦齁這個我不為難您我來建議我來具體建議可以做的事情啦齁我來跟各位具體建議啦因為我覺得我們大家共赴國難都要站在一起為國家做事啦我建議幾點喔請各位聽一下喔第一個齁\n\n24\n00:08:22,757 --> 00:08:39,046\n這個我覺得這一次的關稅衝擊跟新冠疫情一樣都是很大的衝擊甚至是一個經濟海嘯我覺得我們政府單位應該第一個就比照新冠疫情期間是成立一個指揮中心然後以前新冠疫情是每天宣布新的情形我們這次要三天開一支記者會\n\n25\n00:08:40,367 --> 00:08:57,386\n各個部會對產業衝擊每天有新的結果會怎麼樣做出一個向老百姓報告那個讓全民安心這個中央應變記者要嘛要三天要嘛至少一週要開一次記者會尤其現在還有九十天時間這個是第一點就是這個談判進度要安定民心這個很重要第二個我跟財政部建議這個行政效率部長\n\n26\n00:09:00,049 --> 00:09:26,067\n行政效率的這個提高事實上就降低那個成本你這個關稅通關快的話就會降低那個成本那這個對廠商就會有幫助那我知道現在關公署人手非常的不足所以你們要趕快趁這個機會跟人事總局要求增加人手因為當通關迅速的時候行政成本降低嘛時間就是金錢嘛你們人手不足我知道嘛所以這個部分你們要趕快增加人手增加行政效率降低成本\n\n27\n00:09:26,707 --> 00:09:48,043\n那第三個也是財政部這個比照疫情期間就是說可以按照關務署曾經出口多少這個廠商的歷史數據那評估不管是農業部或不是農業部經濟部這邊評估這些廠商到底因為這樣如果實施32%會有多大的衝擊然後以前在疫情期間衛福部曾經做過一個方法叫做衛八補八就是說診所如果沒有達到\n\n28\n00:09:49,063 --> 00:10:12,239\n當時的百分之八十你就補達到百分之八十那我們一樣可以用這個財政手段財稅的手段如果沒有達到他的損失多少我們可以把這個額度留下來以後當他如果有賺錢可以扣抵的這個稅額用財政手段財稅的手段來幫助我們的這個產業讓他們不至於很快的倒閉那第四點因為今天勞動沒有來就是說勞動部的部分也可以按照\n\n29\n00:10:12,719 --> 00:10:34,787\n之前有多少禁用多少勞工那多少勞工按照他的勞健保投保那個人數也許政府補助一定的預算讓穩定就業那比如說像疫情期間也是啊針對某一些產業補助勞工比如每個月一萬塊啊五千塊讓勞工的市場可以穩定這個不會讓民眾造成恐慌那金管會當然這個金融市場他是比較自由的但是當然如果\n\n30\n00:10:35,507 --> 00:10:52,037\n勞工就業穩定當如果我們的這個產業比較穩定用財稅手段的時候這個時候我想這個對市場的衝擊就不會那麼大就不會那麼大相對的就會造成金融市場的這個穩定那但是今晚會要注意一點我覺得我們現在政府有一些\n\n31\n00:10:52,617 --> 00:11:14,260\n或者是說有一些人或者說我們有一些執政黨的有些民意代表他會認為說好像中國大陸課得比較高的關稅是比較好像有點幸災樂禍的感覺但這事實上也不是只有影響到中國大陸因為我們很多台商是在大陸是有設廠的事實上他們的營業很多是算到我們這個對不對那個彭主委\n\n32\n00:11:14,981 --> 00:11:20,163\n算到我們上市櫃的營業額裡頭事實上對我們很多上市櫃公司在全球都有佈局越南、泰國、中國大陸都有也是影響他們的產值對我們的金融市場也是有影響的所以政府不要因為說是大陸關稅很高然後我們就幸災樂禍好像跟我們無關事實上我們全世界台商都會受到影響我們一定盡量來協助我們的上市櫃公司\n\n33\n00:11:40,269 --> 00:11:54,477\n這個很多產業的衝擊現在幸好有90天了我期許大家我想我們現在是共赴國難我也不會苛責你們但是我們提出一些建議大家趕快去做趕快想辦法具體可行的方法真正幫助百姓好不好好謝謝好謝謝陳立正\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2652\t9597\t謝謝主席 麻煩請這個央行然後央行總裁請 央行金管會財政部金管會彭主委財政部專部長 經濟部也有經濟部副次長好\n18373\t40792\t各位我們政府重要的這個首長這個今天幸好早上這個訊息至少我們還要多了這個90天可以應對啦那我記得我們之前這個兩個禮拜前我們賴昭偉排這個案子的時候我記得剛剛那個執行局財政委員還說哪有被列入什麼骯髒十五國啊這個議題是假議題啊那我記得那時候那時候還訓了我們\n42373\t57861\t朝偉一頓說好像排這個很不應該結果我看到我們朝偉事實上有閒見之明那現在後來這個發生這個32%這件事情但是我在上禮拜看到我們在討論這個議題的時候我們各個部會的報告包括那個談判辦公室的報告事實上都有一點不痛不癢\n59541\t76986\t他這個32%的這個關稅核戰是讓衝擊全球雖然說他現在暫緩90天現在還是先用10%但是90天後我們一樣要面對嘛所以我們現在要趕快想出辦法還有可能的這個的問題然後大家看一下當初可能被列入骯髒15國3015的時候那時候我們的預判財政部說這個會做好運運實際衝擊預算預期有限這是當初財政部上上禮拜的說法這個這個\n85928\t114639\t朱美麗這一位是我們央行副總裁她說對等關稅影響台灣有限有限 物價穩定OK 好金管會也說短期波動難免但是我們有上次公司有應應風險的韌性結果沒想到你看一發布32%以後連跌了三到四天好幾千點那當然今天又回來但是我的意思說當初各個部會財政部 金管會 央行那時候你們是真的覺得\n115399\t121526\t如果說因為他現在有給90天如果沒有你們現在還是覺得當初回到當初那時候是不是實質影響衝擊有限32%會有限嗎\n123991\t148321\t總裁你所謂的三十二八就是原來他宣布現在是暫緩了不是說沒有就三十二八這個對等關稅你們當初在這之前你們的預判都是影響有限我們那時候你們是不是全是預判失準我想就是說這個判斷事實上我總覺得連美國他本身第一個連川普總統他也沒有想到就是說他的這個措施下去會導致\n149682\t163197\t他沒有想到他的這個措施呢就是說大家都沒有想到我的意思是說那我們這些部位首長不管是央行還有農委會幾乎全球的主管機關都沒有想到\n170145\t195435\t但是我們是不是也太過大意?因為上個禮拜民進黨委員還說這個根本不太重要你如果說我們都會大意的話川普在實施之前他都這麼說華爾街不會有問題但是呢隔天立實施的時候華爾街大跌而且連續跌了好幾跌我的意思是要跟大家提醒幸好今天有這個時間我也跟委員報告\n200077\t209884\t事實上連費的他也沒有想到現在就說他這個不合理的公式大家都認為是不合理應該是都認為這個不合理他這種什麼算法我們根本是因為互補事實上我們的關稅財政部也在這裡我們跟他的關稅我們是6.5他們是3.3差距才3%而已沒有事實上所謂的什麼64%對不對這個是要讓百姓知道沒錯吧財政部關稅你們在那個了\n227561\t252362\t是的委員也就是說在上一次的專案報告裡面財政部的報告是針對有關我們跟美國的相關的一些關稅的關稅的稅率的一個比較以及還有進出客戶數據的分析但是我們並沒有說影響有限我們裡面就是說我們會密切的關注這個部分所以你們有注意那沒關係現在既然有90天我很高興有這個90天\n254884\t261768\t有這個條件我們現在還是要往後看看怎麼樣幫助我們的產業實際解決問題才是重點現在90天後要怎麼樣來解決這個危機我們來看一下他的要求是什麼經濟部、農業部有沒有做好相關的評估還有我們現在可以做什麼我想請問財政部有什麼想法\n276917\t292455\t比如說對於零關稅總統說零關稅吧那比如說如果真的零關稅那汽車這個部分是不是從零關稅開始談起跟委員報告我想總統已經提過就是我們會有組成一個所謂的談判的一個小組會由政府院長領軍\n293669\t320568\t那在談判小組都一直在模擬如果談判官要達成他的目的嘛他有美國汽車產業嘛對 各種方案那對於就是說你們有沒有做影響評估對國內的產業的影響會有產業主管你們做了評估了沒有我們在這裡要求汽車這個降稅已經要求很久了也可以幫助國內的那降稅的部分會對產業的一個影響你們做了評估了沒有是由經濟部跟經濟部來做評估所以這經濟部是喔 汽車產業的影響農業部也上來一下\n322967\t337603\t還有農業部的部分 到時候如果零關稅 農業部的杜次長請來 經濟部你先回答就是說 如果汽車零關稅 到時候適用WPO是不是全部一體適用 對汽車產業的影響有沒有做過那你們可不可能這樣做\n338564\t342787\t我們當然會為國內的汽車產業爭取最大的權利這個零關稅確實對國內的產業是有一些衝擊的當然我們會在對美談判的時候爭取最大的權利\n356196\t372399\t總統說要從零關稅談起啊所以有可能啦所以我們還是希望能夠爭取最大的不可能啦美國不會接受啊汽車產業是他重要的產業啊我想請問農業部到時候零關稅農民受到農牧業都受到很大的衝擊你知道吧\n373399\t387466\t那你們可以接受嗎從零開始談但不代表全部都要是零那如果美國就這樣要求你們會接受嗎我想對我們來講重要的產品一定要保護著所以你們不會接受那總統要零關稅啊如果美國就這樣要求咧\n388566\t407714\t從林冠慧開始談不代表全部都要變成如果美國就這樣要求咧不然30天後要給你32%我們一定會拒以利爭因為拒以利爭沒有他就是要32%重要的農產品還是要還是有他所以你們也不支持嘛那你們都不支持在總統喔來央行那請問這個大家很多財經專家說這就是美債嘛你剛也提到了嘛\n408194\t423223\t那就是為了你覺得說你會不會同意放手讓那現在已經升值了你會不會同意放手升值或者同意讓持有美債從一年短期債變成長期債甚至無期債我跟委員報告就是說中央銀行從來沒有就是說\n424744\t429585\t新台幣不能升值或是新台幣不能貶值我們總覺得這個匯率是由市場來決定他要升值就要讓他升值啊中央銀行的角色只能就是說讓新台幣的匯率它的波動幅度不要太大怎麼波動幅度不會太大\n449850\t478030\t一天降兩千 一天跌兩千多點 一天升一千多點這個外資進出不會波動太大對啦 不會 還是會現在的中央銀行的匯率呢它現在的波動弧度是比以前還大的但是你也不會去控制啦 因為這等於是非關稅的壁壘所以你那個資金的匯出進來出去有些時候都是很短時間都是很巨額的\n478630\t501217\t那你一定要讓這個匯率能夠穩定這樣才會好所以你不控制然後他還可以穩定喔?呃...不...呃...不...我們...沒關係啊 廖長總裁我不為難您啦齁這個為國家好這個問題我不會往下問啦齁這個我不為難您我來建議我來具體建議可以做的事情啦齁我來跟各位具體建議啦因為我覺得我們大家共赴國難都要站在一起為國家做事啦我建議幾點喔請各位聽一下喔第一個齁\n502757\t519046\t這個我覺得這一次的關稅衝擊跟新冠疫情一樣都是很大的衝擊甚至是一個經濟海嘯我覺得我們政府單位應該第一個就比照新冠疫情期間是成立一個指揮中心然後以前新冠疫情是每天宣布新的情形我們這次要三天開一支記者會\n520367\t537386\t各個部會對產業衝擊每天有新的結果會怎麼樣做出一個向老百姓報告那個讓全民安心這個中央應變記者要嘛要三天要嘛至少一週要開一次記者會尤其現在還有九十天時間這個是第一點就是這個談判進度要安定民心這個很重要第二個我跟財政部建議這個行政效率部長\n540049\t566067\t行政效率的這個提高 事實上就降低那個成本你這個關稅通關快的話 就會降低那個成本那這個對廠商就會有幫助那我知道現在關公署人手非常的不足所以你們要趕快趁這個機會跟人事總局要求增加人手因為當通關迅速的時候 行政成本降低嘛時間就是金錢嘛 你們人手不足我知道嘛所以這個部分你們要趕快增加人手 增加行政效率 降低成本\n566707\t588043\t那第三個也是財政部這個比照疫情期間就是說可以按照關務署曾經出口多少這個廠商的歷史數據那評估不管是農業部或不是農業部經濟部這邊評估這些廠商到底因為這樣如果實施32%會有多大的衝擊然後以前在疫情期間衛福部曾經做過一個方法叫做衛八補八就是說診所如果沒有達到\n589063\t612239\t當時的百分之八十你就補達到百分之八十那我們一樣可以用這個財政手段財稅的手段如果沒有達到他的損失多少我們可以把這個額度留下來以後當他如果有賺錢可以扣抵的這個稅額用財政手段財稅的手段來幫助我們的這個產業讓他們不至於很快的倒閉那第四點因為今天勞動沒有來就是說勞動部的部分也可以按照\n612719\t634787\t之前有多少 禁用多少勞工那多少勞工按照他的勞健保投保那個人數也許政府補助一定的預算讓穩定就業那比如說像疫情期間也是啊針對某一些產業補助勞工比如每個月一萬塊啊五千塊讓勞工的市場可以穩定這個不會讓民眾造成恐慌那金管會當然這個金融市場他是比較自由的但是當然如果\n635507\t652037\t勞工就業穩定當如果我們的這個產業比較穩定用財稅手段的時候這個時候我想這個對市場的衝擊就不會那麼大就不會那麼大相對的就會造成金融市場的這個穩定那但是今晚會要注意一點我覺得我們現在政府有一些\n652617\t674260\t或者是說有一些人 或者說我們有一些執政黨的有些民意代表他會認為說好像中國大陸課得比較高的關稅是比較好像有點幸災樂禍的感覺但這事實上也不是只有影響到中國大陸因為我們很多台商是在大陸是有設廠的事實上他們的營業很多是算到我們這個 對不對那個 彭主委\n674981\t680163\t算到我們上市櫃的營業額裡頭事實上對我們很多上市櫃公司在全球都有佈局越南、泰國、中國大陸都有也是影響他們的產值對我們的金融市場也是有影響的所以政府不要因為說是大陸關稅很高然後我們就幸災樂禍好像跟我們無關事實上我們全世界台商都會受到影響我們一定盡量來協助我們的上市櫃公司\n700269\t714477\t這個很多產業的衝擊現在幸好有90天了我期許大家我想我們現在是共赴國難我也不會苛責你們但是我們提出一些建議大家趕快去做趕快想辦法具體可行的方法真正幫助百姓 好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝陳立正\n","txt":"謝謝主席 麻煩請這個央行然後央行總裁請 央行金管會財政部金管會彭主委財政部專部長 經濟部也有經濟部副次長好\n各位我們政府重要的這個首長這個今天幸好早上這個訊息至少我們還要多了這個90天可以應對啦那我記得我們之前這個兩個禮拜前我們賴昭偉排這個案子的時候我記得剛剛那個執行局財政委員還說哪有被列入什麼骯髒十五國啊這個議題是假議題啊那我記得那時候那時候還訓了我們\n朝偉一頓說好像排這個很不應該結果我看到我們朝偉事實上有閒見之明那現在後來這個發生這個32%這件事情但是我在上禮拜看到我們在討論這個議題的時候我們各個部會的報告包括那個談判辦公室的報告事實上都有一點不痛不癢\n他這個32%的這個關稅核戰是讓衝擊全球雖然說他現在暫緩90天現在還是先用10%但是90天後我們一樣要面對嘛所以我們現在要趕快想出辦法還有可能的這個的問題然後大家看一下當初可能被列入骯髒15國3015的時候那時候我們的預判財政部說這個會做好運運實際衝擊預算預期有限這是當初財政部上上禮拜的說法這個這個\n朱美麗這一位是我們央行副總裁她說對等關稅影響台灣有限有限 物價穩定OK 好金管會也說短期波動難免但是我們有上次公司有應應風險的韌性結果沒想到你看一發布32%以後連跌了三到四天好幾千點那當然今天又回來但是我的意思說當初各個部會財政部 金管會 央行那時候你們是真的覺得\n如果說因為他現在有給90天如果沒有你們現在還是覺得當初回到當初那時候是不是實質影響衝擊有限32%會有限嗎\n總裁你所謂的三十二八就是原來他宣布現在是暫緩了不是說沒有就三十二八這個對等關稅你們當初在這之前你們的預判都是影響有限我們那時候你們是不是全是預判失準我想就是說這個判斷事實上我總覺得連美國他本身第一個連川普總統他也沒有想到就是說他的這個措施下去會導致\n他沒有想到他的這個措施呢就是說大家都沒有想到我的意思是說那我們這些部位首長不管是央行還有農委會幾乎全球的主管機關都沒有想到\n但是我們是不是也太過大意?因為上個禮拜民進黨委員還說這個根本不太重要你如果說我們都會大意的話川普在實施之前他都這麼說華爾街不會有問題但是呢隔天立實施的時候華爾街大跌而且連續跌了好幾跌我的意思是要跟大家提醒幸好今天有這個時間我也跟委員報告\n事實上連費的他也沒有想到現在就說他這個不合理的公式大家都認為是不合理應該是都認為這個不合理他這種什麼算法我們根本是因為互補事實上我們的關稅財政部也在這裡我們跟他的關稅我們是6.5他們是3.3差距才3%而已沒有事實上所謂的什麼64%對不對這個是要讓百姓知道沒錯吧財政部關稅你們在那個了\n是的委員也就是說在上一次的專案報告裡面財政部的報告是針對有關我們跟美國的相關的一些關稅的關稅的稅率的一個比較以及還有進出客戶數據的分析但是我們並沒有說影響有限我們裡面就是說我們會密切的關注這個部分所以你們有注意那沒關係現在既然有90天我很高興有這個90天\n有這個條件我們現在還是要往後看看怎麼樣幫助我們的產業實際解決問題才是重點現在90天後要怎麼樣來解決這個危機我們來看一下他的要求是什麼經濟部、農業部有沒有做好相關的評估還有我們現在可以做什麼我想請問財政部有什麼想法\n比如說對於零關稅總統說零關稅吧那比如說如果真的零關稅那汽車這個部分是不是從零關稅開始談起跟委員報告我想總統已經提過就是我們會有組成一個所謂的談判的一個小組會由政府院長領軍\n那在談判小組都一直在模擬如果談判官要達成他的目的嘛他有美國汽車產業嘛對 各種方案那對於就是說你們有沒有做影響評估對國內的產業的影響會有產業主管你們做了評估了沒有我們在這裡要求汽車這個降稅已經要求很久了也可以幫助國內的那降稅的部分會對產業的一個影響你們做了評估了沒有是由經濟部跟經濟部來做評估所以這經濟部是喔 汽車產業的影響農業部也上來一下\n還有農業部的部分 到時候如果零關稅 農業部的杜次長請來 經濟部你先回答就是說 如果汽車零關稅 到時候適用WPO是不是全部一體適用 對汽車產業的影響有沒有做過那你們可不可能這樣做\n我們當然會為國內的汽車產業爭取最大的權利這個零關稅確實對國內的產業是有一些衝擊的當然我們會在對美談判的時候爭取最大的權利\n總統說要從零關稅談起啊所以有可能啦所以我們還是希望能夠爭取最大的不可能啦美國不會接受啊汽車產業是他重要的產業啊我想請問農業部到時候零關稅農民受到農牧業都受到很大的衝擊你知道吧\n那你們可以接受嗎從零開始談但不代表全部都要是零那如果美國就這樣要求你們會接受嗎我想對我們來講重要的產品一定要保護著所以你們不會接受那總統要零關稅啊如果美國就這樣要求咧\n從林冠慧開始談不代表全部都要變成如果美國就這樣要求咧不然30天後要給你32%我們一定會拒以利爭因為拒以利爭沒有他就是要32%重要的農產品還是要還是有他所以你們也不支持嘛那你們都不支持在總統喔來央行那請問這個大家很多財經專家說這就是美債嘛你剛也提到了嘛\n那就是為了你覺得說你會不會同意放手讓那現在已經升值了你會不會同意放手升值或者同意讓持有美債從一年短期債變成長期債甚至無期債我跟委員報告就是說中央銀行從來沒有就是說\n新台幣不能升值或是新台幣不能貶值我們總覺得這個匯率是由市場來決定他要升值就要讓他升值啊中央銀行的角色只能就是說讓新台幣的匯率它的波動幅度不要太大怎麼波動幅度不會太大\n一天降兩千 一天跌兩千多點 一天升一千多點這個外資進出不會波動太大對啦 不會 還是會現在的中央銀行的匯率呢它現在的波動弧度是比以前還大的但是你也不會去控制啦 因為這等於是非關稅的壁壘所以你那個資金的匯出進來出去有些時候都是很短時間都是很巨額的\n那你一定要讓這個匯率能夠穩定這樣才會好所以你不控制然後他還可以穩定喔?呃...不...呃...不...我們...沒關係啊 廖長總裁我不為難您啦齁這個為國家好這個問題我不會往下問啦齁這個我不為難您我來建議我來具體建議可以做的事情啦齁我來跟各位具體建議啦因為我覺得我們大家共赴國難都要站在一起為國家做事啦我建議幾點喔請各位聽一下喔第一個齁\n這個我覺得這一次的關稅衝擊跟新冠疫情一樣都是很大的衝擊甚至是一個經濟海嘯我覺得我們政府單位應該第一個就比照新冠疫情期間是成立一個指揮中心然後以前新冠疫情是每天宣布新的情形我們這次要三天開一支記者會\n各個部會對產業衝擊每天有新的結果會怎麼樣做出一個向老百姓報告那個讓全民安心這個中央應變記者要嘛要三天要嘛至少一週要開一次記者會尤其現在還有九十天時間這個是第一點就是這個談判進度要安定民心這個很重要第二個我跟財政部建議這個行政效率部長\n行政效率的這個提高 事實上就降低那個成本你這個關稅通關快的話 就會降低那個成本那這個對廠商就會有幫助那我知道現在關公署人手非常的不足所以你們要趕快趁這個機會跟人事總局要求增加人手因為當通關迅速的時候 行政成本降低嘛時間就是金錢嘛 你們人手不足我知道嘛所以這個部分你們要趕快增加人手 增加行政效率 降低成本\n那第三個也是財政部這個比照疫情期間就是說可以按照關務署曾經出口多少這個廠商的歷史數據那評估不管是農業部或不是農業部經濟部這邊評估這些廠商到底因為這樣如果實施32%會有多大的衝擊然後以前在疫情期間衛福部曾經做過一個方法叫做衛八補八就是說診所如果沒有達到\n當時的百分之八十你就補達到百分之八十那我們一樣可以用這個財政手段財稅的手段如果沒有達到他的損失多少我們可以把這個額度留下來以後當他如果有賺錢可以扣抵的這個稅額用財政手段財稅的手段來幫助我們的這個產業讓他們不至於很快的倒閉那第四點因為今天勞動沒有來就是說勞動部的部分也可以按照\n之前有多少 禁用多少勞工那多少勞工按照他的勞健保投保那個人數也許政府補助一定的預算讓穩定就業那比如說像疫情期間也是啊針對某一些產業補助勞工比如每個月一萬塊啊五千塊讓勞工的市場可以穩定這個不會讓民眾造成恐慌那金管會當然這個金融市場他是比較自由的但是當然如果\n勞工就業穩定當如果我們的這個產業比較穩定用財稅手段的時候這個時候我想這個對市場的衝擊就不會那麼大就不會那麼大相對的就會造成金融市場的這個穩定那但是今晚會要注意一點我覺得我們現在政府有一些\n或者是說有一些人 或者說我們有一些執政黨的有些民意代表他會認為說好像中國大陸課得比較高的關稅是比較好像有點幸災樂禍的感覺但這事實上也不是只有影響到中國大陸因為我們很多台商是在大陸是有設廠的事實上他們的營業很多是算到我們這個 對不對那個 彭主委\n算到我們上市櫃的營業額裡頭事實上對我們很多上市櫃公司在全球都有佈局越南、泰國、中國大陸都有也是影響他們的產值對我們的金融市場也是有影響的所以政府不要因為說是大陸關稅很高然後我們就幸災樂禍好像跟我們無關事實上我們全世界台商都會受到影響我們一定盡量來協助我們的上市櫃公司\n這個很多產業的衝擊現在幸好有90天了我期許大家我想我們現在是共赴國難我也不會苛責你們但是我們提出一些建議大家趕快去做趕快想辦法具體可行的方法真正幫助百姓 好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝陳立正\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.652 --> 00:09.597\n謝謝主席麻煩請這個央行然後央行總裁請央行金管會財政部金管會彭主委財政部專部長經濟部也有經濟部副次長好\n\n00:18.373 --> 00:40.792\n各位我們政府重要的這個首長這個今天幸好早上這個訊息至少我們還要多了這個90天可以應對啦那我記得我們之前這個兩個禮拜前我們賴昭偉排這個案子的時候我記得剛剛那個執行局財政委員還說哪有被列入什麼骯髒十五國啊這個議題是假議題啊那我記得那時候那時候還訓了我們\n\n00:42.373 --> 00:57.861\n朝偉一頓說好像排這個很不應該結果我看到我們朝偉事實上有閒見之明那現在後來這個發生這個32%這件事情但是我在上禮拜看到我們在討論這個議題的時候我們各個部會的報告包括那個談判辦公室的報告事實上都有一點不痛不癢\n\n00:59.541 --> 01:16.986\n他這個32%的這個關稅核戰是讓衝擊全球雖然說他現在暫緩90天現在還是先用10%但是90天後我們一樣要面對嘛所以我們現在要趕快想出辦法還有可能的這個的問題然後大家看一下當初可能被列入骯髒15國3015的時候那時候我們的預判財政部說這個會做好運運實際衝擊預算預期有限這是當初財政部上上禮拜的說法這個這個\n\n01:25.928 --> 01:54.639\n朱美麗這一位是我們央行副總裁她說對等關稅影響台灣有限有限物價穩定OK好金管會也說短期波動難免但是我們有上次公司有應應風險的韌性結果沒想到你看一發布32%以後連跌了三到四天好幾千點那當然今天又回來但是我的意思說當初各個部會財政部金管會央行那時候你們是真的覺得\n\n01:55.399 --> 02:01.526\n如果說因為他現在有給90天如果沒有你們現在還是覺得當初回到當初那時候是不是實質影響衝擊有限32%會有限嗎\n\n02:03.991 --> 02:28.321\n總裁你所謂的三十二八就是原來他宣布現在是暫緩了不是說沒有就三十二八這個對等關稅你們當初在這之前你們的預判都是影響有限我們那時候你們是不是全是預判失準我想就是說這個判斷事實上我總覺得連美國他本身第一個連川普總統他也沒有想到就是說他的這個措施下去會導致\n\n02:29.682 --> 02:43.197\n他沒有想到他的這個措施呢就是說大家都沒有想到我的意思是說那我們這些部位首長不管是央行還有農委會幾乎全球的主管機關都沒有想到\n\n02:50.145 --> 03:15.435\n但是我們是不是也太過大意?因為上個禮拜民進黨委員還說這個根本不太重要你如果說我們都會大意的話川普在實施之前他都這麼說華爾街不會有問題但是呢隔天立實施的時候華爾街大跌而且連續跌了好幾跌我的意思是要跟大家提醒幸好今天有這個時間我也跟委員報告\n\n03:20.077 --> 03:29.884\n事實上連費的他也沒有想到現在就說他這個不合理的公式大家都認為是不合理應該是都認為這個不合理他這種什麼算法我們根本是因為互補事實上我們的關稅財政部也在這裡我們跟他的關稅我們是6.5他們是3.3差距才3%而已沒有事實上所謂的什麼64%對不對這個是要讓百姓知道沒錯吧財政部關稅你們在那個了\n\n03:47.561 --> 04:12.362\n是的委員也就是說在上一次的專案報告裡面財政部的報告是針對有關我們跟美國的相關的一些關稅的關稅的稅率的一個比較以及還有進出客戶數據的分析但是我們並沒有說影響有限我們裡面就是說我們會密切的關注這個部分所以你們有注意那沒關係現在既然有90天我很高興有這個90天\n\n04:14.884 --> 04:21.768\n有這個條件我們現在還是要往後看看怎麼樣幫助我們的產業實際解決問題才是重點現在90天後要怎麼樣來解決這個危機我們來看一下他的要求是什麼經濟部、農業部有沒有做好相關的評估還有我們現在可以做什麼我想請問財政部有什麼想法\n\n04:36.917 --> 04:52.455\n比如說對於零關稅總統說零關稅吧那比如說如果真的零關稅那汽車這個部分是不是從零關稅開始談起跟委員報告我想總統已經提過就是我們會有組成一個所謂的談判的一個小組會由政府院長領軍\n\n04:53.669 --> 05:20.568\n那在談判小組都一直在模擬如果談判官要達成他的目的嘛他有美國汽車產業嘛對各種方案那對於就是說你們有沒有做影響評估對國內的產業的影響會有產業主管你們做了評估了沒有我們在這裡要求汽車這個降稅已經要求很久了也可以幫助國內的那降稅的部分會對產業的一個影響你們做了評估了沒有是由經濟部跟經濟部來做評估所以這經濟部是喔汽車產業的影響農業部也上來一下\n\n05:22.967 --> 05:37.603\n還有農業部的部分到時候如果零關稅農業部的杜次長請來經濟部你先回答就是說如果汽車零關稅到時候適用WPO是不是全部一體適用對汽車產業的影響有沒有做過那你們可不可能這樣做\n\n05:38.564 --> 05:42.787\n我們當然會為國內的汽車產業爭取最大的權利這個零關稅確實對國內的產業是有一些衝擊的當然我們會在對美談判的時候爭取最大的權利\n\n05:56.196 --> 06:12.399\n總統說要從零關稅談起啊所以有可能啦所以我們還是希望能夠爭取最大的不可能啦美國不會接受啊汽車產業是他重要的產業啊我想請問農業部到時候零關稅農民受到農牧業都受到很大的衝擊你知道吧\n\n06:13.399 --> 06:27.466\n那你們可以接受嗎從零開始談但不代表全部都要是零那如果美國就這樣要求你們會接受嗎我想對我們來講重要的產品一定要保護著所以你們不會接受那總統要零關稅啊如果美國就這樣要求咧\n\n06:28.566 --> 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因應措施」進行專題報告，並備質\n詢；二、審查「納稅者權利保護法」4案：(一)本院委員賴士葆等22人擬具「納稅者權利保護法\n部分條文修正草案」案、(二)本院委員羅廷瑋等18人擬具「納稅者權利保護法第四條條文修正草\n案」案、( 三) 本院委員林思銘等20 人擬具「納稅者權利保護法第七條及第二十一條條文修正草\n案」案、( 四) 本院委員林思銘等18 人擬具「納稅者權利保護法第二十一條條文修正草案」案；\n三、審查「加值型及非加值型營業稅法」 8 案： ( 一 ) 本院委員鍾佳濱等 18 人、委員鍾佳濱等 23\n人、委員郭國文等17人分別擬具「加值型及非加值型營業稅法部分條文修正草案」等 3案、(二)\n本院委員陳超明等18人、委員邱志偉等16人分別擬具「加值型及非加值型營業稅法第八條條文修\n正草案」等2案、(三)本院委員賴士葆等25人、委員顏寬恒等16人分別擬具「加值型及非加值型\n營業稅法第十三條條文修正草案」等2案、(四)本院委員賴士葆等22人擬具「加值型及非加值型\n營業稅法第五十八條條文修正草案」案","agenda_id":"1143601_00006"}}}