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00:00:41,665\n好范委員早那個院長早安那首先肯定我們院長在那個預算期間就是努力的為中研院預算被動山發聲我想就是您可以看到其實我們全國人民是非常支持中研院的那只是很不幸在這個過程中帶領煽動預算的居然是我們中研院出身的民眾黨的黃國昌立委那當時我個人也非常的努力就是\n\n3\n00:00:42,525 --> 00:00:46,908\n為中研院發聲因為他顯然當時不知道他的統刪就把中研院包進去然後還說他沒有針對中研院那我想這個過程非常的遺憾那當然就是我之前還大概了解一下中研院被煽動的情況剛剛很多委員都講過我就不再重複\n\n4\n00:01:01,776 --> 00:01:15,230\n我們翁教授也在場希望今天也可以特別法律所也可以好好的講一下他的山洞到底對法律所有怎麼樣的影響非常遺憾都是學界同仁帶領山洞中研院的預算今天\n\n5\n00:01:17,692 --> 00:01:21,937\n除了可以了解我蠻認同剛剛我們趙薇講的就是藍白偉就是說主動殺然後後來又主動說你們趕快來解凍因為每個解凍報告中英如果寫不好到時候也會被修理本來就是需要\n\n6\n00:01:33,269 --> 00:01:57,844\n而且我相信眾議院的嚴謹程度絕對不會隨便回應的因為每一個委員的要求不一樣這部分我非常認同剛剛的召委的回應教文委員沒有辦法在自己的黨團去護衛自己的預算最後來這邊說教文都是不分黨派支持我覺得從民眾角度來看無法理解今天他們的說辭我今天想要針對\n\n7\n00:01:59,185 --> 00:02:05,314\n我的預算案裡面也有相關的要求就是大型學術會議應該要落實無障礙配套這個措施那我想院長要關切的議題很多那這題特別希望院長要特別的關心那為什麼我這樣講\n\n8\n00:02:15,208 --> 00:02:31,147\n那其實呢我過去也不夠了解這個大型會議到底無障礙要做哪些會以為說就是空間無障礙那我就是去年代表就是民進黨去參加美國民主黨的全國代表大會上\n\n9\n00:02:32,067 --> 00:02:45,438\n就看到現在一個大型會議的無障礙以他參與的人數的部分也讓院長您了解他真的做得非常的細緻從你落地搭飛機到場就是輪椅族嬰兒車的優先然後全程都有無障礙的接駁巴士現場機場甚至還有輪椅維修服務如果在旅行的過程中輪椅出事的話那更不用講就是手語翻譯我們坐在那兒在哪個角度都看得到\n\n10\n00:03:00,689 --> 00:03:15,392\n即時的字幕現在也因為有AI也變得非常的容易甚至還有感官配套提供給感官敏感者包含降噪耳機還會提醒你不要用強烈的香水因為有一些感官敏感者\n\n11\n00:03:16,053 --> 00:03:38,584\n那這些部分呢我覺得非常的重要那我也要特別提一下那大家知道就是民進黨之前我們不分區的候選人陳俊翰律師他的研究就是國際人權身心障礙政策那他過世前其實就在中研院的法律所擔任博士後研究員\n\n12\n00:03:39,404 --> 00:03:55,423\n那我們可以想像他今天在中研院法律所如果待得更久的話他要參加國際會議的時候中研院的國際會議有沒有提供就是讓他能夠跟其他人一樣平等參與的那我們知道他的母親\n\n13\n00:03:57,064 --> 00:04:03,908\n謝繼珍女士提供了她非常多超越政府補助的個人的協助可是如果陳俊漢律師還在的話他想要參與台時所的研究國際會議法律所的國際會議\n\n14\n00:04:11,972 --> 00:04:35,913\n那他有沒有辦法得到一個平等的參與權那這是我想用這個部分來請命那我請辦公室研究了一下我們發現英美大學澳洲學術計畫那更不用講聯合國都有無障礙會遇指南非常的重視身心障礙像我們陳俊翰律師那還有包含懷孕者親子高敏感等多元的面向\n\n15\n00:04:36,633 --> 00:04:57,097\n那這部分其實在網路上稍微查一下都可以看到非常完整的會議指南所以我有一個就是預算的相關的部分我這邊再舉例來講那它裡面包含就是無障礙廁所不羈乳室那這不羈乳室其實中研院早就我們過去婦女團就要求就已經有做到了\n\n16\n00:04:58,798 --> 00:05:21,117\n優先車位還有提供電子文件大字幕手語翻譯那當然就是托育的服務等等也會考量交通城鄉差距盡可能的提供接駁或者是線上會議等所以你可以看到他是鼓勵更多人都能夠平等的參與學術的活動那我今天想問就是說院長您覺得中研院\n\n17\n00:05:21,778 --> 00:05:27,392\n作為國家級的研究機構是否應該加強無障礙會議的基本規範呢是\n\n18\n00:05:30,407 --> 00:05:57,074\n您很認同是那再來我就想跟您對話一下就是我之前提出的預算案那中雲有給我一個初步的回應說你們已經做到的部分第一個你們有喊轉衛福部的無障礙會議指示指引給轄下單位就是在座的各位的各所所長應該都有看到這個公文那你們說有部分大型會議有調查並提供無障礙服務\n\n19\n00:05:58,254 --> 00:06:08,445\n我覺得這是一個很好的開始那之前我的預算案就是你們有做到這個部分可是我今天想再往前走一步因為我剛以陳俊翰律師為例他不會只參加不分大型會議是應該要以院的層級落實無障礙的措施針對不同規模的會議訂定一個分級的標準\n\n20\n00:06:21,918 --> 00:06:36,030\n譬如說如果人很少的會議那也許是調查與會者基本的需求等等那為什麼我對中研院有這個要求因為我覺得中研院有這麼多的人才如果你們能做出來其實其他的大學甚至國科會他才能夠跟你們學習\n\n21\n00:06:39,153 --> 00:07:00,244\n所以今天因為時間剩下的不多所以今天想請院長能不能夠參考國外的案例我剛剛講的是請我們辦公室的團隊研究的那已經有這麼多的會議指標了訂定符合國際標準的無障礙和共融會議的辦理原則然後開始試辦呢\n\n22\n00:07:03,595 --> 00:07:32,538\n我們朝這方向努力好朝這方向努力那院長您覺得大概多少的時間能夠就是了解然後訂出然後開始試辦呢了解跟訂出比較容易那真正開始試辦那可能要看這個實際的經費允許狀況那跟實際的需求所以這方面我們會了解之後才開始做\n\n23\n00:07:33,018 --> 00:08:00,397\n那了解大概需要多少時間呢譬如說就給我一個初步報告的部分先就了解然後試辦的話可以晚一點沒關係總務處處長報告應該是一個月內就可以把它了解然後給一個初步的說明給委員好那就希望是總務處這個事情不應該再丟給各所去做因為總務處應該就有這個研究能力因為我認識中研院很多學者他們會覺得我的質詢就增加了他們的工作量是我們會同一地地讓各個單位他們參與意見\n\n24\n00:08:02,819 --> 00:08:25,602\n好那這樣非常好我相信那個總務處有這個研究能力那試辦的部分是不是之後也一併給我一個報告因為等到你們知道那個原則之後應該就知道比如說我是一年內還是甚至要兩年內才能開始試辦好不好我們是要給你們合理的那我相信你們做得到的話可以帶領我們全國的各級學術會議未來到其他型的會議都能夠做到那陳俊翰律師\n\n25\n00:08:26,423 --> 00:08:38,176\n那他走的時候法律所還特別發聲明感念他的貢獻那我相信這個貢獻不會只是感念應該要落實在具體的政策跟作為中好嗎好謝謝好那謝謝院長謝謝好謝謝范雲\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6577\t7461\t謝謝周偉有請院長好有請廖院長\n13866\t41665\t好 范委員早那個院長早安那首先肯定我們院長在那個預算期間就是努力的為中研院預算被動山發聲我想就是您可以看到其實我們全國人民是非常支持中研院的那只是很不幸在這個過程中帶領煽動預算的居然是我們中研院出身的民眾黨的黃國昌立委那當時我個人也非常的努力就是\n42525\t46908\t為中研院發聲因為他顯然當時不知道他的統刪就把中研院包進去然後還說他沒有針對中研院那我想這個過程非常的遺憾那當然就是我之前還大概了解一下中研院被煽動的情況剛剛很多委員都講過我就不再重複\n61776\t75230\t我們翁教授也在場希望今天也可以特別法律所也可以好好的講一下他的山洞到底對法律所有怎麼樣的影響非常遺憾都是學界同仁帶領山洞中研院的預算今天\n77692\t81937\t除了可以了解我蠻認同剛剛我們趙薇講的就是藍白偉就是說主動殺然後後來又主動說你們趕快來解凍因為每個解凍報告中英如果寫不好到時候也會被修理本來就是需要\n93269\t117844\t而且我相信眾議院的嚴謹程度絕對不會隨便回應的因為每一個委員的要求不一樣這部分我非常認同剛剛的召委的回應教文委員沒有辦法在自己的黨團去護衛自己的預算最後來這邊說教文都是不分黨派支持我覺得從民眾角度來看無法理解今天他們的說辭我今天想要針對\n119185\t125314\t我的預算案裡面也有相關的要求就是大型學術會議應該要落實無障礙配套這個措施那我想院長要關切的議題很多那這題特別希望院長要特別的關心那為什麼我這樣講\n135208\t151147\t那其實呢我過去也不夠了解這個大型會議到底無障礙要做哪些會以為說就是空間無障礙那我就是去年代表就是民進黨去參加美國民主黨的全國代表大會上\n152067\t165438\t就看到現在一個大型會議的無障礙以他參與的人數的部分也讓院長您了解他真的做得非常的細緻從你落地搭飛機到場就是輪椅族嬰兒車的優先然後全程都有無障礙的接駁巴士現場機場甚至還有輪椅維修服務如果在旅行的過程中輪椅出事的話那更不用講就是手語翻譯我們坐在那兒在哪個角度都看得到\n180689\t195392\t即時的字幕現在也因為有AI也變得非常的容易甚至還有感官配套提供給感官敏感者包含降噪耳機還會提醒你不要用強烈的香水因為有一些感官敏感者\n196053\t218584\t那這些部分呢我覺得非常的重要那我也要特別提一下那大家知道就是民進黨之前我們不分區的候選人陳俊翰律師他的研究就是國際人權身心障礙政策那他過世前其實就在中研院的法律所擔任博士後研究員\n219404\t235423\t那我們可以想像他今天在中研院法律所如果待得更久的話他要參加國際會議的時候中研院的國際會議有沒有提供就是讓他能夠跟其他人一樣平等參與的那我們知道他的母親\n237064\t243908\t謝繼珍女士提供了她非常多超越政府補助的個人的協助可是如果陳俊漢律師還在的話他想要參與台時所的研究國際會議法律所的國際會議\n251972\t275913\t那他有沒有辦法得到一個平等的參與權那這是我想用這個部分來請命那我請辦公室研究了一下我們發現英美大學澳洲學術計畫那更不用講聯合國都有無障礙會遇指南非常的重視身心障礙像我們陳俊翰律師那還有包含懷孕者親子高敏感等多元的面向\n276633\t297097\t那這部分其實在網路上稍微查一下都可以看到非常完整的會議指南所以我有一個就是預算的相關的部分我這邊再舉例來講那它裡面包含就是無障礙廁所不羈乳室那這不羈乳室其實中研院早就我們過去婦女團就要求就已經有做到了\n298798\t321117\t優先車位還有提供電子文件大字幕手語翻譯那當然就是托育的服務等等也會考量交通城鄉差距盡可能的提供接駁或者是線上會議等所以你可以看到他是鼓勵更多人都能夠平等的參與學術的活動那我今天想問就是說院長您覺得中研院\n321778\t327392\t作為國家級的研究機構是否應該加強無障礙會議的基本規範呢是\n330407\t357074\t您很認同是那再來我就想跟您對話一下就是我之前提出的預算案那中雲有給我一個初步的回應說你們已經做到的部分第一個你們有喊轉衛福部的無障礙會議指示指引給轄下單位就是在座的各位的各所所長應該都有看到這個公文那你們說有部分大型會議有調查並提供無障礙服務\n358254\t368445\t我覺得這是一個很好的開始那之前我的預算案就是你們有做到這個部分可是我今天想再往前走一步因為我剛以陳俊翰律師為例他不會只參加不分大型會議是應該要以院的層級落實無障礙的措施針對不同規模的會議訂定一個分級的標準\n381918\t396030\t譬如說如果人很少的會議那也許是調查與會者基本的需求等等那為什麼我對中研院有這個要求因為我覺得中研院有這麼多的人才如果你們能做出來其實其他的大學甚至國科會他才能夠跟你們學習\n399153\t420244\t所以今天因為時間剩下的不多所以今天想請院長能不能夠參考國外的案例我剛剛講的是請我們辦公室的團隊研究的那已經有這麼多的會議指標了訂定符合國際標準的無障礙和共融會議的辦理原則然後開始試辦呢\n423595\t452538\t我們朝這方向努力好 朝這方向努力那院長您覺得大概多少的時間能夠就是了解然後訂出然後開始試辦呢了解跟訂出比較容易那真正開始試辦那可能要看這個實際的經費允許狀況那跟實際的需求所以這方面我們會了解之後才開始做\n453018\t480397\t那了解大概需要多少時間呢譬如說就給我一個初步報告的部分先就了解然後試辦的話可以晚一點沒關係總務處處長報告應該是一個月內就可以把它了解然後給一個初步的說明給委員好 那就希望是總務處這個事情不應該再丟給各所去做因為總務處應該就有這個研究能力因為我認識中研院很多學者他們會覺得我的質詢就增加了他們的工作量是 我們會同一地地讓各個單位他們參與意見\n482819\t505602\t好那這樣非常好我相信那個總務處有這個研究能力那試辦的部分是不是之後也一併給我一個報告因為等到你們知道那個原則之後應該就知道比如說我是一年內還是甚至要兩年內才能開始試辦好不好我們是要給你們合理的那我相信你們做得到的話可以帶領我們全國的各級學術會議未來到其他型的會議都能夠做到那陳俊翰律師\n506423\t518176\t那他走的時候法律所還特別發聲明感念他的貢獻那我相信這個貢獻不會只是感念應該要落實在具體的政策跟作為中好嗎好 謝謝好 那謝謝院長謝謝好 謝謝范雲\n","txt":"謝謝周偉有請院長好有請廖院長\n好 范委員早那個院長早安那首先肯定我們院長在那個預算期間就是努力的為中研院預算被動山發聲我想就是您可以看到其實我們全國人民是非常支持中研院的那只是很不幸在這個過程中帶領煽動預算的居然是我們中研院出身的民眾黨的黃國昌立委那當時我個人也非常的努力就是\n為中研院發聲因為他顯然當時不知道他的統刪就把中研院包進去然後還說他沒有針對中研院那我想這個過程非常的遺憾那當然就是我之前還大概了解一下中研院被煽動的情況剛剛很多委員都講過我就不再重複\n我們翁教授也在場希望今天也可以特別法律所也可以好好的講一下他的山洞到底對法律所有怎麼樣的影響非常遺憾都是學界同仁帶領山洞中研院的預算今天\n除了可以了解我蠻認同剛剛我們趙薇講的就是藍白偉就是說主動殺然後後來又主動說你們趕快來解凍因為每個解凍報告中英如果寫不好到時候也會被修理本來就是需要\n而且我相信眾議院的嚴謹程度絕對不會隨便回應的因為每一個委員的要求不一樣這部分我非常認同剛剛的召委的回應教文委員沒有辦法在自己的黨團去護衛自己的預算最後來這邊說教文都是不分黨派支持我覺得從民眾角度來看無法理解今天他們的說辭我今天想要針對\n我的預算案裡面也有相關的要求就是大型學術會議應該要落實無障礙配套這個措施那我想院長要關切的議題很多那這題特別希望院長要特別的關心那為什麼我這樣講\n那其實呢我過去也不夠了解這個大型會議到底無障礙要做哪些會以為說就是空間無障礙那我就是去年代表就是民進黨去參加美國民主黨的全國代表大會上\n就看到現在一個大型會議的無障礙以他參與的人數的部分也讓院長您了解他真的做得非常的細緻從你落地搭飛機到場就是輪椅族嬰兒車的優先然後全程都有無障礙的接駁巴士現場機場甚至還有輪椅維修服務如果在旅行的過程中輪椅出事的話那更不用講就是手語翻譯我們坐在那兒在哪個角度都看得到\n即時的字幕現在也因為有AI也變得非常的容易甚至還有感官配套提供給感官敏感者包含降噪耳機還會提醒你不要用強烈的香水因為有一些感官敏感者\n那這些部分呢我覺得非常的重要那我也要特別提一下那大家知道就是民進黨之前我們不分區的候選人陳俊翰律師他的研究就是國際人權身心障礙政策那他過世前其實就在中研院的法律所擔任博士後研究員\n那我們可以想像他今天在中研院法律所如果待得更久的話他要參加國際會議的時候中研院的國際會議有沒有提供就是讓他能夠跟其他人一樣平等參與的那我們知道他的母親\n謝繼珍女士提供了她非常多超越政府補助的個人的協助可是如果陳俊漢律師還在的話他想要參與台時所的研究國際會議法律所的國際會議\n那他有沒有辦法得到一個平等的參與權那這是我想用這個部分來請命那我請辦公室研究了一下我們發現英美大學澳洲學術計畫那更不用講聯合國都有無障礙會遇指南非常的重視身心障礙像我們陳俊翰律師那還有包含懷孕者親子高敏感等多元的面向\n那這部分其實在網路上稍微查一下都可以看到非常完整的會議指南所以我有一個就是預算的相關的部分我這邊再舉例來講那它裡面包含就是無障礙廁所不羈乳室那這不羈乳室其實中研院早就我們過去婦女團就要求就已經有做到了\n優先車位還有提供電子文件大字幕手語翻譯那當然就是托育的服務等等也會考量交通城鄉差距盡可能的提供接駁或者是線上會議等所以你可以看到他是鼓勵更多人都能夠平等的參與學術的活動那我今天想問就是說院長您覺得中研院\n作為國家級的研究機構是否應該加強無障礙會議的基本規範呢是\n您很認同是那再來我就想跟您對話一下就是我之前提出的預算案那中雲有給我一個初步的回應說你們已經做到的部分第一個你們有喊轉衛福部的無障礙會議指示指引給轄下單位就是在座的各位的各所所長應該都有看到這個公文那你們說有部分大型會議有調查並提供無障礙服務\n我覺得這是一個很好的開始那之前我的預算案就是你們有做到這個部分可是我今天想再往前走一步因為我剛以陳俊翰律師為例他不會只參加不分大型會議是應該要以院的層級落實無障礙的措施針對不同規模的會議訂定一個分級的標準\n譬如說如果人很少的會議那也許是調查與會者基本的需求等等那為什麼我對中研院有這個要求因為我覺得中研院有這麼多的人才如果你們能做出來其實其他的大學甚至國科會他才能夠跟你們學習\n所以今天因為時間剩下的不多所以今天想請院長能不能夠參考國外的案例我剛剛講的是請我們辦公室的團隊研究的那已經有這麼多的會議指標了訂定符合國際標準的無障礙和共融會議的辦理原則然後開始試辦呢\n我們朝這方向努力好 朝這方向努力那院長您覺得大概多少的時間能夠就是了解然後訂出然後開始試辦呢了解跟訂出比較容易那真正開始試辦那可能要看這個實際的經費允許狀況那跟實際的需求所以這方面我們會了解之後才開始做\n那了解大概需要多少時間呢譬如說就給我一個初步報告的部分先就了解然後試辦的話可以晚一點沒關係總務處處長報告應該是一個月內就可以把它了解然後給一個初步的說明給委員好 那就希望是總務處這個事情不應該再丟給各所去做因為總務處應該就有這個研究能力因為我認識中研院很多學者他們會覺得我的質詢就增加了他們的工作量是 我們會同一地地讓各個單位他們參與意見\n好那這樣非常好我相信那個總務處有這個研究能力那試辦的部分是不是之後也一併給我一個報告因為等到你們知道那個原則之後應該就知道比如說我是一年內還是甚至要兩年內才能開始試辦好不好我們是要給你們合理的那我相信你們做得到的話可以帶領我們全國的各級學術會議未來到其他型的會議都能夠做到那陳俊翰律師\n那他走的時候法律所還特別發聲明感念他的貢獻那我相信這個貢獻不會只是感念應該要落實在具體的政策跟作為中好嗎好 謝謝好 那謝謝院長謝謝好 謝謝范雲\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.577 --> 00:07.461\n謝謝周偉有請院長好有請廖院長\n\n00:13.866 --> 00:41.665\n好范委員早那個院長早安那首先肯定我們院長在那個預算期間就是努力的為中研院預算被動山發聲我想就是您可以看到其實我們全國人民是非常支持中研院的那只是很不幸在這個過程中帶領煽動預算的居然是我們中研院出身的民眾黨的黃國昌立委那當時我個人也非常的努力就是\n\n00:42.525 --> 00:46.908\n為中研院發聲因為他顯然當時不知道他的統刪就把中研院包進去然後還說他沒有針對中研院那我想這個過程非常的遺憾那當然就是我之前還大概了解一下中研院被煽動的情況剛剛很多委員都講過我就不再重複\n\n01:01.776 --> 01:15.230\n我們翁教授也在場希望今天也可以特別法律所也可以好好的講一下他的山洞到底對法律所有怎麼樣的影響非常遺憾都是學界同仁帶領山洞中研院的預算今天\n\n01:17.692 --> 01:21.937\n除了可以了解我蠻認同剛剛我們趙薇講的就是藍白偉就是說主動殺然後後來又主動說你們趕快來解凍因為每個解凍報告中英如果寫不好到時候也會被修理本來就是需要\n\n01:33.269 --> 01:57.844\n而且我相信眾議院的嚴謹程度絕對不會隨便回應的因為每一個委員的要求不一樣這部分我非常認同剛剛的召委的回應教文委員沒有辦法在自己的黨團去護衛自己的預算最後來這邊說教文都是不分黨派支持我覺得從民眾角度來看無法理解今天他們的說辭我今天想要針對\n\n01:59.185 --> 02:05.314\n我的預算案裡面也有相關的要求就是大型學術會議應該要落實無障礙配套這個措施那我想院長要關切的議題很多那這題特別希望院長要特別的關心那為什麼我這樣講\n\n02:15.208 --> 02:31.147\n那其實呢我過去也不夠了解這個大型會議到底無障礙要做哪些會以為說就是空間無障礙那我就是去年代表就是民進黨去參加美國民主黨的全國代表大會上\n\n02:32.067 --> 02:45.438\n就看到現在一個大型會議的無障礙以他參與的人數的部分也讓院長您了解他真的做得非常的細緻從你落地搭飛機到場就是輪椅族嬰兒車的優先然後全程都有無障礙的接駁巴士現場機場甚至還有輪椅維修服務如果在旅行的過程中輪椅出事的話那更不用講就是手語翻譯我們坐在那兒在哪個角度都看得到\n\n03:00.689 --> 03:15.392\n即時的字幕現在也因為有AI也變得非常的容易甚至還有感官配套提供給感官敏感者包含降噪耳機還會提醒你不要用強烈的香水因為有一些感官敏感者\n\n03:16.053 --> 03:38.584\n那這些部分呢我覺得非常的重要那我也要特別提一下那大家知道就是民進黨之前我們不分區的候選人陳俊翰律師他的研究就是國際人權身心障礙政策那他過世前其實就在中研院的法律所擔任博士後研究員\n\n03:39.404 --> 03:55.423\n那我們可以想像他今天在中研院法律所如果待得更久的話他要參加國際會議的時候中研院的國際會議有沒有提供就是讓他能夠跟其他人一樣平等參與的那我們知道他的母親\n\n03:57.064 --> 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