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00:02:49,950\n可是你看隔著這樣子的話連人都不見得碰得到可以互動的話坦白講不是一種好方式我記得在2021年那個兒權公約第二次國家報告國際委員來審查的時候他主席Duke就講過說一定要有一些友善的環境來能夠讓他才可以回歸到家庭去\n\n9\n00:02:50,410 --> 00:03:03,838\n然後呢回歸社會去否則的話這樣的方式根本都甚至韓國都有一些住宿讓家裡在住宿跟孩子相處我們都還達不到這樣可是這樣子一個會面都沒有辦法讓他跟親人有一些互動所以\n\n10\n00:03:07,262 --> 00:03:35,322\n像這樣的我認為是不是請署長這邊提供給我目前的場域跟你的制度規劃跟委員報告我們一般接見跟社工的接見會不太一樣一般的接見是少年的家屬來接見但是社工他可能因為有公務關係我們會另外安排的可是現在民間團體本來就有在做逆境少年的這樣服務他們是會陪同家庭進去我講的是這一塊\n\n11\n00:03:37,143 --> 00:03:55,806\n否則如果署長這邊的話就把這兩套方式你們都提供出來因為我們現在衛福部有在做逆境少年的這樣的一個服務裡面事實上是社工會陪同家庭去可是一樣不能接觸到人的話基本上無助於我覺得未來要歸附到社會我們會後提供\n\n12\n00:03:56,306 --> 00:04:20,438\n好再麻煩我們的署長另外我諮詢第一線社工他們跟我反映矯正學校常常拒絕提供在校的輔導記錄那就要問次長跟署長這邊欠缺完整的資訊以後如何有效去協助少年出校的準備因為上次我就講過去年我就提過最好不是資料轉嫌要關係轉嫌要讓他們有接觸\n\n13\n00:04:22,339 --> 00:04:46,754\n未來離開教職人學校的時候我覺得社工才能夠把他們接住否則藥頭比我們更容易接觸少年幫派比我們更容易接觸少年社工反而很難因為如果沒有前期的接觸關係的轉型的話事實上是有困難的所以是不是能夠去做這樣子的一個協助\n\n14\n00:04:48,962 --> 00:05:14,271\n就是能不能提供出資料來各位報告事實上我們在轉嫌少年要離開我們矯正學校這三個月內我們都進行相關的轉嫌措施他離開我們矯正學校之後我們也要追伏達到一年的時間所以這個制度上是有這當時他機制上也在運作只是說資料上要提供到什麼樣的程度以便事後的追伏我們再請這個矯正學校再看看好再麻煩次長為什麼我也知道就是說\n\n15\n00:05:16,532 --> 00:05:38,172\n醫兒少全法本來68條就是規定要追蹤一年可是在追蹤一年之後通常雙失的比例就往往激增譬如說失血失業高達到95%這不是我們熱見的畢竟他如果要能夠在這社會生存的話他要就學或者就是他是去就業可是這都所以通常往往\n\n16\n00:05:40,054 --> 00:05:51,593\n會讓這個在做逆境社工的人他們就是會有難為之處啦可能要去考量問題二呢就是在想問署長校正學校歷年來有多少霸凌事件啊你們有沒有統計數據\n\n17\n00:05:54,264 --> 00:05:54,924\n目前是沒有統計數據\n\n18\n00:06:24,344 --> 00:06:42,794\n拿同樣的問題去問你們業務單位所知的確矯正署回答我說沒有辦法統計竟然是因為沒有定義這個我有覺得有點讓我有點錯愕說定義不能夠因為教育部本來也有那個霸凌準則你也可以嘗試用他們的定義\n\n19\n00:06:44,555 --> 00:07:10,785\n可是你去看監察院過去四年內他針對於你們霸凌跟不當管教糾正過至少兩次就已經有再三提及為如實通報的話違反CRC跟欠缺問題處理機制的話缺乏內部監督這都是你們的問題所以部長署長霸凌防治跟處理具體措施就像剛剛署長提的就是掃腳條例\n\n20\n00:07:12,265 --> 00:07:34,380\n那到底何時可以完成啊從2022年到現在到現在還在收集資料為何跟委員報告少角校條例是在去年的3月我們部裡面已經函報行政院那至於少關所條例這個都少年部分在今年的2月也函報行政院在審核中\n\n21\n00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:54,670\n我覺得要進述因為已經拖了很久了那我再看問題三就是說雖然沒有正式的統計數據我相信我們很多第一線的實務工作者都跟我提到這個我們教政學校的學生普遍存在身心健康的議題我相信署長也相當清楚我知道過去幾年這個議題一直重複的在各種會議當中被討論署內也說要積極強化但可是我感覺到有一些問題\n\n22\n00:08:05,095 --> 00:08:31,957\n什麼樣的問題呢也就是想問的是你們的合作醫院是否都具備有所謂的兒少精神專科醫師甚至也想問的是你們是不是在健康檢查是不是有包含身心評估跟心理痕跡為什麼這樣問上聯合國就有規定就所有入校儲育都應該特別關注到身心議題\n\n23\n00:08:33,137 --> 00:08:46,635\n或是關注在身心議題所以想問一下署長現在目前的健康檢查是不是有包含身心評估跟心理衡鑒還有你的特約醫院簽約醫院有沒有具備這個兒少精神專科醫師\n\n24\n00:08:48,697 --> 00:09:14,645\n我們千葉醫院一般我們所知道的他一定會有精神科醫師我們也都會引進至於他的精神科醫師他要受有什麼專業訓練他的專業訓練是不是除了成年之外還有包含少年這個應該就是衛福部他們所主管那一般我們的健康檢查應該是還沒有那麼專業\n\n25\n00:09:15,965 --> 00:09:36,894\n到那個身心評估跟心理的橫線這個部分所以醫師是沒有在做囉可是我剛講聯合國又特別提醒說我們所有的入校處遇都應該要特別注意到我們是有一些編制新設人員的編制包括說我們145位從今年開始\n\n26\n00:09:40,175 --> 00:10:08,184\n那個委外城南改為A用還有我們署本部會成立一個少年的少年科增加七位新設人員增加這些新設的資源來保障少年的最佳潛意如果是這樣的話學校端到底要如何落實我們的個別化處理措施所以這也後邊也麻煩你們提供相關的資料那事實上\n\n27\n00:10:10,871 --> 00:10:28,486\n最後大概就是想針對於充實我們的新府特教專業人力的問題我上次也問過了輔導人力的部分我肯定法務部的努力可是特教師的師生比針對這第一線的協助我認為還是有相當不足\n\n28\n00:10:29,187 --> 00:10:55,681\n所以現在矯正署的回覆是說參考高中以下特教班禁用辦法以1比15的目標努力不過署長你可以看到城鎮中學是1比20如果你說你們已經用這個1比15的目標努力那城鎮中學都還要再更加拔鏡那我想問署長既然比照一般學校的師生比那矯正學校能否依據學生狀況來聘用學生助理員\n\n29\n00:10:57,965 --> 00:11:24,685\n來努力喔也聘主我們的特殊教育教師我們現在的平均特教師是1比15了嘛那將來我們會盡快再把這方面再來補足那可以聘學生助理員嗎聘學生助理員依據學生的狀況聘用學生助理比照一般學校學生助理員在研議中\n\n30\n00:11:30,684 --> 00:11:43,555\n可不可以完善接近制度然後規劃適當場所而且建立出校準備共案的合作機制\n\n31\n00:11:43,953 --> 00:12:03,059\n否則真的幫派跟藥頭比我們更容易接觸孩子那不利於孩子回歸到社區去所以提供我們少年跟家庭的處遇工作的具體支持第二個是不是儘速完成我們的少角條例那還有我們少年矯正學校霸凌防治跟處理的具體措施來完善我們的矯正\n\n32\n00:12:03,539 --> 00:12:26,229\n教育的制度還有我們比較期待的是強化入校的身心評估跟心理衡鑒制度不是剛剛講說你又講成人像我們現在是今天進到那邊的都是兒少所以來衝刺兒少精神專科醫療的資源還有落實個別化處遇還有盡速補齊我們的心腹特教資源的源額還有依照三級輔導體系明確化五類的專輔人員的分工機制\n\n33\n00:12:30,188 --> 00:12:43,575\n所以請這個兩週後是不是可以把這相關的資料回覆給我好的我們就委員的指教我們會積極來努力辦理好那謝謝次長跟署長謝謝好謝謝那下一位我們請莊瑞\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8308\t12532\t好那就麻煩一個月內好謝謝好那我們請林委員\n23924\t38813\t主席麻煩我們的法務部部長跟我們的矯正署署長部長他請假然後現在是次長好那就麻煩好次長還有署長好委員好\n40396\t50485\t市長好 市長早市長在去年差不多這個時間我大概也是進來這裡質詢我們少年輔導轉型的這個議題今天我要針對法部部回覆我的書面資料來進一步跟兩位做討論\n64479\t77056\t這張圖我相信兩位都很了解要做好少年的輔導轉型我們需要跨部會的全面性的合作當然今天只有法務部我就只針對於我們部內跟署內的業務來討論那下一頁\n82601\t102123\t首先我想指出我們逆境社工他的困境為什麼這麼講他說他孤立難遠難以落實他要做的工作現在我們在看接見制度實在是非常的不友善接見的方式不論是視訊或是窗口都無異於\n102924\t117555\t第一線社工他在協談跟家庭的一個修復工作所以想問署長現在這四個矯正學校是否有規劃可以進行家庭工作的一個友善場域\n120486\t145221\t因為我們四所矯正學校依照那個108課綱跟以往在還沒成立矯正學校的時候不太一樣所以他白天或許要有一些安排如果說有相關的社工可能要事先約定一些時間至於這個接見的場所我想我們四所矯正學校會盡量來配合\n146889\t169950\t可是你看 隔著這樣子的話 連人都不見得碰得到可以互動的話 坦白講不是一種好方式我記得在2021年 那個兒權公約第二次國家報告 國際委員來審查的時候他主席Duke就講過說 一定要有一些友善的環境來能夠讓他才可以回歸到家庭去\n170410\t183838\t然後呢回歸社會去否則的話這樣的方式根本都甚至韓國都有一些住宿讓家裡在住宿跟孩子相處我們都還達不到這樣可是這樣子一個會面都沒有辦法讓他跟親人有一些互動所以\n187262\t215322\t像這樣的我認為是不是請署長這邊提供給我目前的場域跟你的制度規劃跟委員報告我們一般接見跟社工的接見會不太一樣一般的接見是少年的家屬來接見但是社工他可能因為有公務關係我們會另外安排的可是現在民間團體本來就有在做逆境少年的這樣服務他們是會陪同家庭進去我講的是這一塊\n217143\t235806\t否則如果署長這邊的話就把這兩套方式你們都提供出來因為我們現在衛福部有在做逆境少年的這樣的一個服務裡面事實上是社工會陪同家庭去可是一樣不能接觸到人的話基本上無助於我覺得未來要歸附到社會我們會後提供\n236306\t260438\t好 再麻煩我們的署長另外 我諮詢第一線社工 他們跟我反映矯正學校常常拒絕提供在校的輔導記錄那就要問 次長跟署長這邊 欠缺完整的資訊以後如何有效去協助少年出校的準備因為上次我就講過 去年我就提過最好不是資料轉嫌 要關係轉嫌 要讓他們有接觸\n262339\t286754\t未來離開教職人學校的時候我覺得社工才能夠把他們接住否則藥頭比我們更容易接觸少年幫派比我們更容易接觸少年社工反而很難因為如果沒有前期的接觸關係的轉型的話事實上是有困難的所以是不是能夠去做這樣子的一個協助\n288962\t314271\t就是能不能提供出資料來各位報告 事實上我們在轉嫌少年要離開我們矯正學校這三個月內我們都進行相關的轉嫌措施他離開我們矯正學校之後我們也要追伏達到一年的時間所以這個制度上是有這當時他機制上也在運作只是說資料上要提供到什麼樣的程度以便事後的追伏我們再請這個矯正學校再看看好 再麻煩次長為什麼我也知道就是說\n316532\t338172\t醫兒少全法本來68條就是規定要追蹤一年可是在追蹤一年之後通常雙失的比例就往往激增譬如說失血失業高達到95%這不是我們熱見的畢竟他如果要能夠在這社會生存的話他要就學或者就是他是去就業可是這都所以通常往往\n340054\t351593\t會讓這個在做逆境社工的人他們就是會有難為之處啦可能要去考量問題二呢就是在想問署長校正學校歷年來有多少霸凌事件啊你們有沒有統計數據\n354264\t354924\t目前是沒有統計數據\n384344\t402794\t拿同樣的問題去問你們業務單位所知的確矯正署回答我說沒有辦法統計竟然是因為沒有定義這個我有覺得有點讓我有點錯愕說定義不能夠因為教育部本來也有那個霸凌準則你也可以嘗試用他們的定義\n404555\t430785\t可是你去看監察院過去四年內他針對於你們霸凌跟不當管教糾正過至少兩次就已經有再三提及為如實通報的話違反CRC跟欠缺問題處理機制的話缺乏內部監督這都是你們的問題所以部長署長霸凌防治跟處理具體措施就像剛剛署長提的就是掃腳條例\n432265\t454380\t那到底何時可以完成啊 從2022年到現在 到現在還在收集資料 為何跟委員報告 少角校條例是在去年的3月我們部裡面已經函報行政院那至於少關所條例 這個都少年部分在今年的2月也函報行政院 在審核中\n455120\t474670\t我覺得要進述 因為已經拖了很久了那我再看問題三就是說雖然沒有正式的統計數據我相信我們很多第一線的實務工作者都跟我提到這個我們教政學校的學生普遍存在身心健康的議題我相信署長也相當清楚我知道過去幾年這個議題一直重複的在各種會議當中被討論署內也說要積極強化但可是我感覺到有一些問題\n485095\t511957\t什麼樣的問題呢也就是想問的是你們的合作醫院是否都具備有所謂的兒少精神專科醫師甚至也想問的是你們是不是在健康檢查是不是有包含身心評估跟心理痕跡為什麼這樣問上聯合國就有規定就所有入校儲育都應該特別關注到身心議題\n513137\t526635\t或是關注在身心議題所以想問一下署長現在目前的健康檢查是不是有包含身心評估跟心理衡鑒還有你的特約醫院 簽約醫院有沒有具備這個兒少精神專科醫師\n528697\t554645\t我們千葉醫院一般我們所知道的他一定會有精神科醫師我們也都會引進至於他的精神科醫師他要受有什麼專業訓練他的專業訓練是不是除了成年之外還有包含少年這個應該就是衛福部他們所主管那一般我們的健康檢查應該是還沒有那麼專業\n555965\t576894\t到那個身心評估跟心理的橫線這個部分所以醫師是沒有在做囉可是我剛講聯合國又特別提醒說我們所有的入校處遇都應該要特別注意到我們是有一些編制新設人員的編制包括說我們145位從今年開始\n580175\t608184\t那個委外城南改為A用還有我們署本部會成立一個少年的少年科增加七位新設人員增加這些新設的資源來保障少年的最佳潛意如果是這樣的話學校端到底要如何落實我們的個別化處理措施所以這也後邊也麻煩你們提供相關的資料那事實上\n610871\t628486\t最後大概就是想針對於充實我們的新府特教專業人力的問題我上次也問過了輔導人力的部分我肯定法務部的努力可是特教師的師生比針對這第一線的協助我認為還是有相當不足\n629187\t655681\t所以現在矯正署的回覆是說參考高中以下特教班禁用辦法以1比15的目標努力不過署長你可以看到城鎮中學是1比20如果你說你們已經用這個1比15的目標努力那城鎮中學都還要再更加拔鏡那我想問署長既然比照一般學校的師生比那矯正學校能否依據學生狀況來聘用學生助理員\n657965\t684685\t來努力喔 也聘主我們的特殊教育教師我們現在的平均特教師是1比15了嘛那將來我們會盡快再把這方面再來補足那可以聘學生助理員嗎聘學生助理員依據學生的狀況聘用學生助理比照一般學校學生助理員在研議中\n690684\t703555\t可不可以完善接近制度然後規劃適當場所而且建立出校準備共案的合作機制\n703953\t723059\t否則真的幫派跟藥頭比我們更容易接觸孩子那不利於孩子回歸到社區去所以提供我們少年跟家庭的處遇工作的具體支持第二個是不是儘速完成我們的少角條例那還有我們少年矯正學校霸凌防治跟處理的具體措施來完善我們的矯正\n723539\t746229\t教育的制度還有我們比較期待的是強化入校的身心評估跟心理衡鑒制度不是剛剛講說你又講成人像我們現在是今天進到那邊的都是兒少所以來衝刺兒少精神專科醫療的資源還有落實個別化處遇還有盡速補齊我們的心腹特教資源的源額還有依照三級輔導體系明確化五類的專輔人員的分工機制\n750188\t763575\t所以請這個兩週後是不是可以把這相關的資料回覆給我好的我們就委員的指教我們會積極來努力辦理好那謝謝次長跟署長謝謝好謝謝那下一位我們請莊瑞\n","txt":"好那就麻煩一個月內好謝謝好那我們請林委員\n主席麻煩我們的法務部部長跟我們的矯正署署長部長他請假然後現在是次長好那就麻煩好次長還有署長好委員好\n市長好 市長早市長在去年差不多這個時間我大概也是進來這裡質詢我們少年輔導轉型的這個議題今天我要針對法部部回覆我的書面資料來進一步跟兩位做討論\n這張圖我相信兩位都很了解要做好少年的輔導轉型我們需要跨部會的全面性的合作當然今天只有法務部我就只針對於我們部內跟署內的業務來討論那下一頁\n首先我想指出我們逆境社工他的困境為什麼這麼講他說他孤立難遠難以落實他要做的工作現在我們在看接見制度實在是非常的不友善接見的方式不論是視訊或是窗口都無異於\n第一線社工他在協談跟家庭的一個修復工作所以想問署長現在這四個矯正學校是否有規劃可以進行家庭工作的一個友善場域\n因為我們四所矯正學校依照那個108課綱跟以往在還沒成立矯正學校的時候不太一樣所以他白天或許要有一些安排如果說有相關的社工可能要事先約定一些時間至於這個接見的場所我想我們四所矯正學校會盡量來配合\n可是你看 隔著這樣子的話 連人都不見得碰得到可以互動的話 坦白講不是一種好方式我記得在2021年 那個兒權公約第二次國家報告 國際委員來審查的時候他主席Duke就講過說 一定要有一些友善的環境來能夠讓他才可以回歸到家庭去\n然後呢回歸社會去否則的話這樣的方式根本都甚至韓國都有一些住宿讓家裡在住宿跟孩子相處我們都還達不到這樣可是這樣子一個會面都沒有辦法讓他跟親人有一些互動所以\n像這樣的我認為是不是請署長這邊提供給我目前的場域跟你的制度規劃跟委員報告我們一般接見跟社工的接見會不太一樣一般的接見是少年的家屬來接見但是社工他可能因為有公務關係我們會另外安排的可是現在民間團體本來就有在做逆境少年的這樣服務他們是會陪同家庭進去我講的是這一塊\n否則如果署長這邊的話就把這兩套方式你們都提供出來因為我們現在衛福部有在做逆境少年的這樣的一個服務裡面事實上是社工會陪同家庭去可是一樣不能接觸到人的話基本上無助於我覺得未來要歸附到社會我們會後提供\n好 再麻煩我們的署長另外 我諮詢第一線社工 他們跟我反映矯正學校常常拒絕提供在校的輔導記錄那就要問 次長跟署長這邊 欠缺完整的資訊以後如何有效去協助少年出校的準備因為上次我就講過 去年我就提過最好不是資料轉嫌 要關係轉嫌 要讓他們有接觸\n未來離開教職人學校的時候我覺得社工才能夠把他們接住否則藥頭比我們更容易接觸少年幫派比我們更容易接觸少年社工反而很難因為如果沒有前期的接觸關係的轉型的話事實上是有困難的所以是不是能夠去做這樣子的一個協助\n就是能不能提供出資料來各位報告 事實上我們在轉嫌少年要離開我們矯正學校這三個月內我們都進行相關的轉嫌措施他離開我們矯正學校之後我們也要追伏達到一年的時間所以這個制度上是有這當時他機制上也在運作只是說資料上要提供到什麼樣的程度以便事後的追伏我們再請這個矯正學校再看看好 再麻煩次長為什麼我也知道就是說\n醫兒少全法本來68條就是規定要追蹤一年可是在追蹤一年之後通常雙失的比例就往往激增譬如說失血失業高達到95%這不是我們熱見的畢竟他如果要能夠在這社會生存的話他要就學或者就是他是去就業可是這都所以通常往往\n會讓這個在做逆境社工的人他們就是會有難為之處啦可能要去考量問題二呢就是在想問署長校正學校歷年來有多少霸凌事件啊你們有沒有統計數據\n目前是沒有統計數據\n拿同樣的問題去問你們業務單位所知的確矯正署回答我說沒有辦法統計竟然是因為沒有定義這個我有覺得有點讓我有點錯愕說定義不能夠因為教育部本來也有那個霸凌準則你也可以嘗試用他們的定義\n可是你去看監察院過去四年內他針對於你們霸凌跟不當管教糾正過至少兩次就已經有再三提及為如實通報的話違反CRC跟欠缺問題處理機制的話缺乏內部監督這都是你們的問題所以部長署長霸凌防治跟處理具體措施就像剛剛署長提的就是掃腳條例\n那到底何時可以完成啊 從2022年到現在 到現在還在收集資料 為何跟委員報告 少角校條例是在去年的3月我們部裡面已經函報行政院那至於少關所條例 這個都少年部分在今年的2月也函報行政院 在審核中\n我覺得要進述 因為已經拖了很久了那我再看問題三就是說雖然沒有正式的統計數據我相信我們很多第一線的實務工作者都跟我提到這個我們教政學校的學生普遍存在身心健康的議題我相信署長也相當清楚我知道過去幾年這個議題一直重複的在各種會議當中被討論署內也說要積極強化但可是我感覺到有一些問題\n什麼樣的問題呢也就是想問的是你們的合作醫院是否都具備有所謂的兒少精神專科醫師甚至也想問的是你們是不是在健康檢查是不是有包含身心評估跟心理痕跡為什麼這樣問上聯合國就有規定就所有入校儲育都應該特別關注到身心議題\n或是關注在身心議題所以想問一下署長現在目前的健康檢查是不是有包含身心評估跟心理衡鑒還有你的特約醫院 簽約醫院有沒有具備這個兒少精神專科醫師\n我們千葉醫院一般我們所知道的他一定會有精神科醫師我們也都會引進至於他的精神科醫師他要受有什麼專業訓練他的專業訓練是不是除了成年之外還有包含少年這個應該就是衛福部他們所主管那一般我們的健康檢查應該是還沒有那麼專業\n到那個身心評估跟心理的橫線這個部分所以醫師是沒有在做囉可是我剛講聯合國又特別提醒說我們所有的入校處遇都應該要特別注意到我們是有一些編制新設人員的編制包括說我們145位從今年開始\n那個委外城南改為A用還有我們署本部會成立一個少年的少年科增加七位新設人員增加這些新設的資源來保障少年的最佳潛意如果是這樣的話學校端到底要如何落實我們的個別化處理措施所以這也後邊也麻煩你們提供相關的資料那事實上\n最後大概就是想針對於充實我們的新府特教專業人力的問題我上次也問過了輔導人力的部分我肯定法務部的努力可是特教師的師生比針對這第一線的協助我認為還是有相當不足\n所以現在矯正署的回覆是說參考高中以下特教班禁用辦法以1比15的目標努力不過署長你可以看到城鎮中學是1比20如果你說你們已經用這個1比15的目標努力那城鎮中學都還要再更加拔鏡那我想問署長既然比照一般學校的師生比那矯正學校能否依據學生狀況來聘用學生助理員\n來努力喔 也聘主我們的特殊教育教師我們現在的平均特教師是1比15了嘛那將來我們會盡快再把這方面再來補足那可以聘學生助理員嗎聘學生助理員依據學生的狀況聘用學生助理比照一般學校學生助理員在研議中\n可不可以完善接近制度然後規劃適當場所而且建立出校準備共案的合作機制\n否則真的幫派跟藥頭比我們更容易接觸孩子那不利於孩子回歸到社區去所以提供我們少年跟家庭的處遇工作的具體支持第二個是不是儘速完成我們的少角條例那還有我們少年矯正學校霸凌防治跟處理的具體措施來完善我們的矯正\n教育的制度還有我們比較期待的是強化入校的身心評估跟心理衡鑒制度不是剛剛講說你又講成人像我們現在是今天進到那邊的都是兒少所以來衝刺兒少精神專科醫療的資源還有落實個別化處遇還有盡速補齊我們的心腹特教資源的源額還有依照三級輔導體系明確化五類的專輔人員的分工機制\n所以請這個兩週後是不是可以把這相關的資料回覆給我好的我們就委員的指教我們會積極來努力辦理好那謝謝次長跟署長謝謝好謝謝那下一位我們請莊瑞\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.308 --> 00:12.532\n好那就麻煩一個月內好謝謝好那我們請林委員\n\n00:23.924 --> 00:38.813\n主席麻煩我們的法務部部長跟我們的矯正署署長部長他請假然後現在是次長好那就麻煩好次長還有署長好委員好\n\n00:40.396 --> 00:50.485\n市長好市長早市長在去年差不多這個時間我大概也是進來這裡質詢我們少年輔導轉型的這個議題今天我要針對法部部回覆我的書面資料來進一步跟兩位做討論\n\n01:04.479 --> 01:17.056\n這張圖我相信兩位都很了解要做好少年的輔導轉型我們需要跨部會的全面性的合作當然今天只有法務部我就只針對於我們部內跟署內的業務來討論那下一頁\n\n01:22.601 --> 01:42.123\n首先我想指出我們逆境社工他的困境為什麼這麼講他說他孤立難遠難以落實他要做的工作現在我們在看接見制度實在是非常的不友善接見的方式不論是視訊或是窗口都無異於\n\n01:42.924 --> 01:57.555\n第一線社工他在協談跟家庭的一個修復工作所以想問署長現在這四個矯正學校是否有規劃可以進行家庭工作的一個友善場域\n\n02:00.486 --> 02:25.221\n因為我們四所矯正學校依照那個108課綱跟以往在還沒成立矯正學校的時候不太一樣所以他白天或許要有一些安排如果說有相關的社工可能要事先約定一些時間至於這個接見的場所我想我們四所矯正學校會盡量來配合\n\n02:26.889 --> 02:49.950\n可是你看隔著這樣子的話連人都不見得碰得到可以互動的話坦白講不是一種好方式我記得在2021年那個兒權公約第二次國家報告國際委員來審查的時候他主席Duke就講過說一定要有一些友善的環境來能夠讓他才可以回歸到家庭去\n\n02:50.410 --> 03:03.838\n然後呢回歸社會去否則的話這樣的方式根本都甚至韓國都有一些住宿讓家裡在住宿跟孩子相處我們都還達不到這樣可是這樣子一個會面都沒有辦法讓他跟親人有一些互動所以\n\n03:07.262 --> 03:35.322\n像這樣的我認為是不是請署長這邊提供給我目前的場域跟你的制度規劃跟委員報告我們一般接見跟社工的接見會不太一樣一般的接見是少年的家屬來接見但是社工他可能因為有公務關係我們會另外安排的可是現在民間團體本來就有在做逆境少年的這樣服務他們是會陪同家庭進去我講的是這一塊\n\n03:37.143 --> 03:55.806\n否則如果署長這邊的話就把這兩套方式你們都提供出來因為我們現在衛福部有在做逆境少年的這樣的一個服務裡面事實上是社工會陪同家庭去可是一樣不能接觸到人的話基本上無助於我覺得未來要歸附到社會我們會後提供\n\n03:56.306 --> 04:20.438\n好再麻煩我們的署長另外我諮詢第一線社工他們跟我反映矯正學校常常拒絕提供在校的輔導記錄那就要問次長跟署長這邊欠缺完整的資訊以後如何有效去協助少年出校的準備因為上次我就講過去年我就提過最好不是資料轉嫌要關係轉嫌要讓他們有接觸\n\n04:22.339 --> 04:46.754\n未來離開教職人學校的時候我覺得社工才能夠把他們接住否則藥頭比我們更容易接觸少年幫派比我們更容易接觸少年社工反而很難因為如果沒有前期的接觸關係的轉型的話事實上是有困難的所以是不是能夠去做這樣子的一個協助\n\n04:48.962 --> 05:14.271\n就是能不能提供出資料來各位報告事實上我們在轉嫌少年要離開我們矯正學校這三個月內我們都進行相關的轉嫌措施他離開我們矯正學校之後我們也要追伏達到一年的時間所以這個制度上是有這當時他機制上也在運作只是說資料上要提供到什麼樣的程度以便事後的追伏我們再請這個矯正學校再看看好再麻煩次長為什麼我也知道就是說\n\n05:16.532 --> 05:38.172\n醫兒少全法本來68條就是規定要追蹤一年可是在追蹤一年之後通常雙失的比例就往往激增譬如說失血失業高達到95%這不是我們熱見的畢竟他如果要能夠在這社會生存的話他要就學或者就是他是去就業可是這都所以通常往往\n\n05:40.054 --> 05:51.593\n會讓這個在做逆境社工的人他們就是會有難為之處啦可能要去考量問題二呢就是在想問署長校正學校歷年來有多少霸凌事件啊你們有沒有統計數據\n\n05:54.264 --> 05:54.924\n目前是沒有統計數據\n\n06:24.344 --> 06:42.794\n拿同樣的問題去問你們業務單位所知的確矯正署回答我說沒有辦法統計竟然是因為沒有定義這個我有覺得有點讓我有點錯愕說定義不能夠因為教育部本來也有那個霸凌準則你也可以嘗試用他們的定義\n\n06:44.555 --> 07:10.785\n可是你去看監察院過去四年內他針對於你們霸凌跟不當管教糾正過至少兩次就已經有再三提及為如實通報的話違反CRC跟欠缺問題處理機制的話缺乏內部監督這都是你們的問題所以部長署長霸凌防治跟處理具體措施就像剛剛署長提的就是掃腳條例\n\n07:12.265 --> 07:34.380\n那到底何時可以完成啊從2022年到現在到現在還在收集資料為何跟委員報告少角校條例是在去年的3月我們部裡面已經函報行政院那至於少關所條例這個都少年部分在今年的2月也函報行政院在審核中\n\n07:35.120 --> 07:54.670\n我覺得要進述因為已經拖了很久了那我再看問題三就是說雖然沒有正式的統計數據我相信我們很多第一線的實務工作者都跟我提到這個我們教政學校的學生普遍存在身心健康的議題我相信署長也相當清楚我知道過去幾年這個議題一直重複的在各種會議當中被討論署內也說要積極強化但可是我感覺到有一些問題\n\n08:05.095 --> 08:31.957\n什麼樣的問題呢也就是想問的是你們的合作醫院是否都具備有所謂的兒少精神專科醫師甚至也想問的是你們是不是在健康檢查是不是有包含身心評估跟心理痕跡為什麼這樣問上聯合國就有規定就所有入校儲育都應該特別關注到身心議題\n\n08:33.137 --> 08:46.635\n或是關注在身心議題所以想問一下署長現在目前的健康檢查是不是有包含身心評估跟心理衡鑒還有你的特約醫院簽約醫院有沒有具備這個兒少精神專科醫師\n\n08:48.697 --> 09:14.645\n我們千葉醫院一般我們所知道的他一定會有精神科醫師我們也都會引進至於他的精神科醫師他要受有什麼專業訓練他的專業訓練是不是除了成年之外還有包含少年這個應該就是衛福部他們所主管那一般我們的健康檢查應該是還沒有那麼專業\n\n09:15.965 --> 09:36.894\n到那個身心評估跟心理的橫線這個部分所以醫師是沒有在做囉可是我剛講聯合國又特別提醒說我們所有的入校處遇都應該要特別注意到我們是有一些編制新設人員的編制包括說我們145位從今年開始\n\n09:40.175 --> 10:08.184\n那個委外城南改為A用還有我們署本部會成立一個少年的少年科增加七位新設人員增加這些新設的資源來保障少年的最佳潛意如果是這樣的話學校端到底要如何落實我們的個別化處理措施所以這也後邊也麻煩你們提供相關的資料那事實上\n\n10:10.871 --> 10:28.486\n最後大概就是想針對於充實我們的新府特教專業人力的問題我上次也問過了輔導人力的部分我肯定法務部的努力可是特教師的師生比針對這第一線的協助我認為還是有相當不足\n\n10:29.187 --> 10:55.681\n所以現在矯正署的回覆是說參考高中以下特教班禁用辦法以1比15的目標努力不過署長你可以看到城鎮中學是1比20如果你說你們已經用這個1比15的目標努力那城鎮中學都還要再更加拔鏡那我想問署長既然比照一般學校的師生比那矯正學校能否依據學生狀況來聘用學生助理員\n\n10:57.965 --> 11:24.685\n來努力喔也聘主我們的特殊教育教師我們現在的平均特教師是1比15了嘛那將來我們會盡快再把這方面再來補足那可以聘學生助理員嗎聘學生助理員依據學生的狀況聘用學生助理比照一般學校學生助理員在研議中\n\n11:30.684 --> 11:43.555\n可不可以完善接近制度然後規劃適當場所而且建立出校準備共案的合作機制\n\n11:43.953 --> 12:03.059\n否則真的幫派跟藥頭比我們更容易接觸孩子那不利於孩子回歸到社區去所以提供我們少年跟家庭的處遇工作的具體支持第二個是不是儘速完成我們的少角條例那還有我們少年矯正學校霸凌防治跟處理的具體措施來完善我們的矯正\n\n12:03.539 --> 12:26.229\n教育的制度還有我們比較期待的是強化入校的身心評估跟心理衡鑒制度不是剛剛講說你又講成人像我們現在是今天進到那邊的都是兒少所以來衝刺兒少精神專科醫療的資源還有落實個別化處遇還有盡速補齊我們的心腹特教資源的源額還有依照三級輔導體系明確化五類的專輔人員的分工機制\n\n12:30.188 --> 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