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00:00:38,803\n委員好部長這個局勢變化很大啦昨天還不到24小時前我是也是站在這裡啦那是跟部長去說事實上我們在跟美國竟然進入談判那去爭取看能不能暫緩這個32%\n\n3\n00:00:41,425 --> 00:01:02,166\n那部長也說你會努力那昨天我剛在場還被黃國昌委員當場把你羞辱一下啦但是我想你也是很不急不緩的那大概也是跟他說出基本上我們行政院包括我們經濟部會持續努力然後在談判上爭取最好的條件那想不到\n\n4\n00:01:03,047 --> 00:01:21,493\n一個深夜過去川普的改變改變藝術工這個32%進入所謂90天的一個談判期那除了中國125%所以這個代表的一個意義就是說在這段期間我們看到很多在野黨的人竟然在川普32%後\n\n5\n00:01:23,268 --> 00:01:40,585\n他不去講談判當然也有講只是他們不斷的在強調一件事就是說我們要對美國採取報復性的關稅也就是跟著中國做一樣的動作那如果我們當時還真的行政院去附和儘管沒有做只要有附和這樣的話\n\n6\n00:01:42,026 --> 00:01:54,332\n我想這件事可能就嚴重了所以部長所以當時有這麼多人對你們不管是在任何場合在那邊批判然後供你們要採取報復性關稅那我們經濟部有這樣的考慮過嗎\n\n7\n00:01:56,937 --> 00:02:18,028\n報告委員所有的情境都是在我們的掌握之中好的狀況是怎麼樣子那最差的狀況會怎麼樣我們會提供各種情境的分析那麼提供給談判小組他們作為參考這是一個非常大的一個關鍵的部分那我們\n\n8\n00:02:19,008 --> 00:02:30,356\n也了解說這個迫在眉睫的部分就是在昨天的那個時間昨天中午到了這個32%關稅這是最差的狀況對但是我們經過訪談很多的這個業者我們在分來能夠盤出這個輕重緩急來針對我們發現對中小企業以及關鍵的這一些傳統產業可能遭受到的這樣的一個打擊會比較大\n\n9\n00:02:49,348 --> 00:03:03,533\n所以我們也建議這個談判單位應該對這個關稅的談判要盡快讓他們去跟美國談到美國可以接受的這樣的關稅但是我們所做的判斷都是以32%\n\n10\n00:03:05,154 --> 00:03:28,699\n可能很難談下來的這個情境來作為我們第一個考慮就是最壞的打算最壞的打算要對產業的一些協助如果能夠談到這個大家這個美國啊美國希望說對他最有利的這個條件之下我想大家比起去這個整合那對經濟部來講我們\n\n11\n00:03:31,319 --> 00:03:58,072\n當下跟過去跟昨天最大的不一樣是只有在這個內容跟速度上面做一些這個緩和做一些調適但是第一點是沒有改變的就是對這些中小微企業跟這些傳統產業當他們面臨到可能被抽單可能這個被postform這一些這個要件而造成他金融上面的這個困擾\n\n12\n00:03:58,832 --> 00:04:22,077\n這一點部長就是我們昨天在講的嘛怎麼讓協助他們避免他們的商品被延後延後交貨然後墩毀然後增加他們整個外部成本所以這個是讓昨天都有討論所以這段時間我們真的是覺得很遺憾啊怎麼會有在野黨他直接批判說對美國不報復就是對美投降的談話啊或者是\n\n13\n00:04:23,137 --> 00:04:31,584\n甚至在野黨的總統副總統候選人還直接講說以後就是不要再對美國投資\n\n14\n00:04:33,035 --> 00:04:51,729\n我認為這裡的位置都比較離間了所以我們還是要回到跟美國談判的本質就是說我們可能會加碼對美國不管是在能源的一些採購或者是也有講到農產品或者是其他的一個採購但是我想萬本歸宗這一次美國對75個國家他們先用10%的一個關稅\n\n15\n00:04:56,392 --> 00:05:13,902\n唯獨中國例外事實上這個也是一個很強烈的image就是說現在中美的貿易大戰2.0正式開打這個正式開打的就是125%起跳所以這個在125%起跳的一個前提之下最怕的是什麼?是產地\n\n16\n00:05:17,086 --> 00:05:38,963\n現在對於很多可能在中國有投資的生意人來說他們在中國要出貨他們面對的壓力這個125%這個壓力壓力非常的巨大而且我看到今天已經很多新聞都爆出來中國的很多的工廠都已經直接說好先暫時歇業暫時都工程都行動都沒有行善\n\n17\n00:05:42,205 --> 00:06:04,625\n那就是因為他們現在要消去美國他們一百二十五萬他們根本不會消錢所以這個時候會有很多投機的人要採取用第三方比如說他頓入台灣頓入越南然後銷售到美國但我們無法管其他國家的事情我們台灣自己這一端一定要控制好所以部長你們有怎樣的一個因應作為嗎\n\n18\n00:06:05,265 --> 00:06:19,782\n我們對違規轉運大概有幾個做法第一個就是加強入貨的監測包括銷台或者銷到美國的第二個加強對業者宣傳畢竟他是我們的國人當然\n\n19\n00:06:20,202 --> 00:06:39,414\n然後第三個建立這個違規業者的名單把這個名單就是公開這個表述第四個如果一旦他還是違規我們裁罰就必須要重演第五運用這個反傾銷的措施大概有這個五點不過我們還是建議這些廠商他們\n\n20\n00:06:40,694 --> 00:06:59,212\n不要回台灣就是說你回台灣會違反這個美國的稀產地的規範這個是美國當今最重要的一個措施但是我們可以協助他們在其他的生產地他們其他都有一些工廠包括他們可能在越南可能在泰國那這些都已經被\n\n21\n00:07:01,113 --> 00:07:23,865\n這個怎麼講,回報這個時拍我有一個事情啦,因為我們看到在野黨有一個法案他們希望在金門變成一個叫做自經區這樣的一個法案,未來很有可能會變成大量息產地的一個地方這是我一個事情,雖然這個法案還沒有通過但是我們要未雨成謀,有這樣的一個法案的存在是,謝謝委員提醒好,那部長可以先回,我再問一個農業的問題\n\n22\n00:07:33,297 --> 00:07:46,182\n這個部長事實上剛剛很多委員都有對你垂詢過了就是說因為現在農業我們如果要開始談的話基本上對農業的衝擊非常的大所以這一次八百億中農業部大概就181要協助這些農民\n\n23\n00:07:48,183 --> 00:08:07,391\n那在未來跟美國的談判事實上我們所宣示的不管是能源不管是我們對農產品尤其美國是很多農產品的一個大宗台灣又幾乎是美國農產品出口的主要國家包括這個加其內台灣是美國的第五大出口國大豆\n\n24\n00:08:07,851 --> 00:08:26,133\n是美國的第七大出口國牛肉是美國的第六大出口國那水果是美國的第四大出口國玉米是美國的第六大出口國小麥也是第六大出口國所以我們可以知道說台灣雖然我們的人口雖然不多\n\n25\n00:08:27,335 --> 00:08:44,873\n可是我們是一個對美國來說是一個購買力很強健的一個國家那所以美國會對我們會去盯著我們的農產品尤其他又對我們的稻米啦對我們的豬肉都直接點名說這個有貿易障礙\n\n26\n00:08:45,814 --> 00:09:09,826\n所以部長你會面對很大的壓力一方面你一定要守護住我們農民的一個權利因為很多事實上農產品就是一個國家要怎麼保護自己的國家這個每個國家都會做包括日本、歐盟事實上剛才說的這個產品標示日本、歐盟也都有在做產品標示台灣不是特例但是這一些措施都被美國視為眼中釘\n\n27\n00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:21,379\n所以部長我覺得這麼多行會你要做你是不是跟我們說明一下說你的立場怎樣在未來跟美國展開談判的時候我們站在農業的立場是怎樣\n\n28\n00:09:22,368 --> 00:09:40,285\n我跟委員報告在整個行政院的談判小組其實已經認知到而且也充分的認知農業是一個相對於工業產品是一個非常特殊的產業那農業他肩負了糧食安全的一個非常重要的責任所以未來對於我們現在在後續的關稅談判裡面我們不會輕易的將\n\n29\n00:09:44,569 --> 00:10:05,190\n對國內會產生衝擊的這些產業做輕易的調整那這個部分我想我們會堅守這樣的一個原則因為所有的包括您剛才講的稻米包括雞肉包括豬肉的這個部分其實過往我們主要的進口的部分或者是他們進來的部分是黃小玉最多但是黃小玉是跟我們有互補的\n\n30\n00:10:06,372 --> 00:10:23,148\n那这个部分我想相对单纯但是对我们有冲击的对产业稳定发展有影响的我们一定坚守一个原则我们一定会保护农民的权利为原则去处理好部长还有一个问题那随产品随产品我们过去有外宣到美国现在它10%\n\n31\n00:10:25,010 --> 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那昨天我剛在場還被黃國昌委員當場把你羞辱一下啦但是我想你也是很不急不緩的那大概也是跟他說出 基本上我們行政院包括我們經濟部會持續努力 然後在談判上爭取最好的條件那想不到\n一個深夜過去川普的改變改變藝術工這個32%進入所謂90天的一個談判期那除了中國125%所以這個代表的一個意義就是說在這段期間我們看到很多在野黨的人竟然在川普32%後\n他不去講談判當然也有講只是他們不斷的在強調一件事就是說我們要對美國採取報復性的關稅也就是跟著中國做一樣的動作那如果我們當時還真的行政院去附和儘管沒有做只要有附和這樣的話\n我想這件事可能就嚴重了所以部長所以當時有這麼多人對你們不管是在任何場合在那邊批判然後供你們要採取報復性關稅那我們經濟部有這樣的考慮過嗎\n報告委員所有的情境都是在我們的掌握之中好的狀況是怎麼樣子那最差的狀況會怎麼樣我們會提供各種情境的分析那麼提供給談判小組他們作為參考這是一個非常大的一個關鍵的部分那我們\n也了解說這個迫在眉睫的部分就是在昨天的那個時間昨天中午到了這個32%關稅這是最差的狀況對但是我們經過訪談很多的這個業者我們在分來能夠盤出這個輕重緩急來針對我們發現對中小企業以及關鍵的這一些傳統產業可能遭受到的這樣的一個打擊會比較大\n所以我們也建議這個談判單位應該對這個關稅的談判要盡快讓他們去跟美國談到美國可以接受的這樣的關稅但是我們所做的判斷都是以32%\n可能很難談下來的這個情境來作為我們第一個考慮就是最壞的打算最壞的打算要對產業的一些協助如果能夠談到這個大家這個美國啊美國希望說對他最有利的這個條件之下我想大家比起去這個整合那對經濟部來講我們\n當下跟過去跟昨天最大的不一樣是只有在這個內容跟速度上面做一些這個緩和做一些調適但是第一點是沒有改變的就是對這些中小微企業跟這些傳統產業當他們面臨到可能被抽單可能這個被post form這一些這個要件而造成他金融上面的這個困擾\n這一點部長就是我們昨天在講的嘛怎麼讓協助他們避免他們的商品被延後延後交貨然後墩毀然後增加他們整個外部成本所以這個是讓昨天都有討論所以這段時間我們真的是覺得很遺憾啊怎麼會有在野黨他直接批判說對美國不報復就是對美投降的談話啊或者是\n甚至在野黨的總統副總統候選人還直接講說以後就是不要再對美國投資\n我認為這裡的位置都比較離間了所以我們還是要回到跟美國談判的本質就是說我們可能會加碼對美國不管是在能源的一些採購或者是也有講到農產品或者是其他的一個採購但是我想萬本歸宗這一次美國對75個國家他們先用10%的一個關稅\n唯獨中國例外事實上這個也是一個很強烈的image就是說現在中美的貿易大戰2.0正式開打這個正式開打的就是125%起跳所以這個在125%起跳的一個前提之下最怕的是什麼?是產地\n現在對於很多可能在中國有投資的生意人來說他們在中國要出貨他們面對的壓力這個125%這個壓力壓力非常的巨大而且我看到今天已經很多新聞都爆出來中國的很多的工廠都已經直接說好先暫時歇業暫時都工程都行動都沒有行善\n那就是因為他們現在要消去美國 他們一百二十五萬 他們根本不會消錢所以這個時候會有很多投機的人要採取用第三方 比如說他頓入台灣 頓入越南然後銷售到美國 但我們無法管其他國家的事情我們台灣自己這一端一定要控制好所以部長你們有怎樣的一個因應作為嗎\n我們對違規轉運大概有幾個做法第一個就是加強入貨的監測包括銷台或者銷到美國的第二個加強對業者宣傳畢竟他是我們的國人當然\n然後第三個建立這個違規業者的名單把這個名單就是公開這個表述第四個如果一旦他還是違規我們裁罰就必須要重演第五運用這個反傾銷的措施大概有這個五點不過我們還是建議這些廠商他們\n不要回台灣就是說你回台灣會違反這個美國的稀產地的規範這個是美國當今最重要的一個措施但是我們可以協助他們在其他的生產地他們其他都有一些工廠包括他們可能在越南可能在泰國那這些都已經被\n這個怎麼講,回報這個時拍我有一個事情啦,因為我們看到在野黨有一個法案他們希望在金門變成一個叫做自經區這樣的一個法案,未來很有可能會變成大量息產地的一個地方這是我一個事情,雖然這個法案還沒有通過但是我們要未雨成謀,有這樣的一個法案的存在是,謝謝委員提醒好,那部長可以先回,我再問一個農業的問題\n這個部長事實上剛剛很多委員都有對你垂詢過了就是說因為現在農業我們如果要開始談的話基本上對農業的衝擊非常的大所以這一次八百億中農業部大概就181要協助這些農民\n那在未來跟美國的談判事實上我們所宣示的不管是能源不管是我們對農產品尤其美國是很多農產品的一個大宗台灣又幾乎是美國農產品出口的主要國家包括這個加其內台灣是美國的第五大出口國大豆\n是美國的第七大出口國牛肉是美國的第六大出口國那水果是美國的第四大出口國玉米是美國的第六大出口國小麥也是第六大出口國所以我們可以知道說台灣雖然我們的人口雖然不多\n可是我們是一個對美國來說是一個購買力很強健的一個國家那所以美國會對我們會去盯著我們的農產品尤其他又對我們的稻米啦對我們的豬肉都直接點名說這個有貿易障礙\n所以部長你會面對很大的壓力一方面你一定要守護住我們農民的一個權利因為很多事實上農產品就是一個國家要怎麼保護自己的國家這個每個國家都會做包括日本、歐盟事實上剛才說的這個產品標示日本、歐盟也都有在做產品標示台灣不是特例但是這一些措施都被美國視為眼中釘\n所以部長 我覺得這麼多行會你要做 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但我們無法管其他國家的事情我們台灣自己這一端一定要控制好所以部長你們有怎樣的一個因應作為嗎"},{"start":365.265,"end":379.782,"text":"我們對違規轉運大概有幾個做法第一個就是加強入貨的監測包括銷台或者銷到美國的第二個加強對業者宣傳畢竟他是我們的國人當然"},{"start":380.202,"end":399.414,"text":"然後第三個建立這個違規業者的名單把這個名單就是公開這個表述第四個如果一旦他還是違規我們裁罰就必須要重演第五運用這個反傾銷的措施大概有這個五點不過我們還是建議這些廠商他們"},{"start":400.694,"end":419.212,"text":"不要回台灣就是說你回台灣會違反這個美國的稀產地的規範這個是美國當今最重要的一個措施但是我們可以協助他們在其他的生產地他們其他都有一些工廠包括他們可能在越南可能在泰國那這些都已經被"},{"start":421.113,"end":443.865,"text":"這個怎麼講,回報這個時拍我有一個事情啦,因為我們看到在野黨有一個法案他們希望在金門變成一個叫做自經區這樣的一個法案,未來很有可能會變成大量息產地的一個地方這是我一個事情,雖然這個法案還沒有通過但是我們要未雨成謀,有這樣的一個法案的存在是,謝謝委員提醒好,那部長可以先回,我再問一個農業的問題"},{"start":453.297,"end":466.182,"text":"這個部長事實上剛剛很多委員都有對你垂詢過了就是說因為現在農業我們如果要開始談的話基本上對農業的衝擊非常的大所以這一次八百億中農業部大概就181要協助這些農民"},{"start":468.183,"end":487.391,"text":"那在未來跟美國的談判事實上我們所宣示的不管是能源不管是我們對農產品尤其美國是很多農產品的一個大宗台灣又幾乎是美國農產品出口的主要國家包括這個加其內台灣是美國的第五大出口國大豆"},{"start":487.851,"end":506.133,"text":"是美國的第七大出口國牛肉是美國的第六大出口國那水果是美國的第四大出口國玉米是美國的第六大出口國小麥也是第六大出口國所以我們可以知道說台灣雖然我們的人口雖然不多"},{"start":507.335,"end":524.873,"text":"可是我們是一個對美國來說是一個購買力很強健的一個國家那所以美國會對我們會去盯著我們的農產品尤其他又對我們的稻米啦對我們的豬肉都直接點名說這個有貿易障礙"},{"start":525.814,"end":549.826,"text":"所以部長你會面對很大的壓力一方面你一定要守護住我們農民的一個權利因為很多事實上農產品就是一個國家要怎麼保護自己的國家這個每個國家都會做包括日本、歐盟事實上剛才說的這個產品標示日本、歐盟也都有在做產品標示台灣不是特例但是這一些措施都被美國視為眼中釘"},{"start":551.4,"end":561.379,"text":"所以部長 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