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00:03:05,934\n期刊看看哪一部分的公信力在自然科學領域裡面呢在這個他發表文章都相當有影響力那他有一些被人家詬病的地方但是他也有他的貢獻所以每一個方向並不是說百分之百他就是完全是是大家一致公認但是也是確實是相當好的一個期刊\n\n10\n00:03:06,254 --> 00:03:28,742\n好的那么我要讲就是英国的Nature期刊它公布的自然指数就是NatureIndex其实它就全球的整体研究学术机构的排名那我们看到一个趋势这是本席所做的一些小小的study从2013年到2024年我们可以看到中研院的整体的排名从2013年的136名一直下滑到2024年的340亿名\n\n11\n00:03:33,664 --> 00:04:00,879\n這是大家詬病的地方因為NatureIndex它一個很特殊的計算方法一篇paper假如有三個單位掛名就除以3一個單位掛名就除以1中文院近年來就鼓勵跟大學合作特別是我們的研究生每一個都是大學所以幾乎每一篇paper至少有中文院跟一個大學所以我們至少我們的paper的數量就被除以2除以3甚至除以4\n\n12\n00:04:01,739 --> 00:04:25,454\n以这种方式除此之外这个NatureIndex又没有把人文放进去谢谢院长因为我已经没有时间了对我想就是说基本上您会认为说就是NatureIndex它所做的这个统计数据基本上并不是很符合我们中研院这边的这个发表的情况那么但是我要讲一个事实就是说您看看我们政府给中研院的预算从2018年到2024年是算是一个非常就是每年提高\n\n13\n00:04:31,617 --> 00:04:41,402\n而且它這個成長的比例非常之高我的意思就是說其實中研院每年拿的預算大概就平均差不多130億到150億左右可是在NatureIndex的排名數據呢卻是逐步的下滑雖然說是中研院或是其他國內大學可能有很多維持對於這個NatureIndex的所做的排名統計不是認為很客觀\n\n14\n00:04:57,270 --> 00:05:00,412\n但是它就是一個事實在全球的排名裡面來看我們可以知道它的確是一個問題我不認為它是一個問題我認為它只是一個指標我們不應該跟著一個商業機構的指標來後面進行如果這樣的話其實我建議中研院根本就退出這個排名根本就不用去參與這個排名我們沒有參加\n\n15\n00:05:20,606 --> 00:05:42,867\n但是说实在话这个其实也是有点这个我认为是太鸵鸟了对不对我们还是要去面对这个全世界的排名我们接下来看一下这个我们知道其实中研院在2013年的时候当时的这个排名都还有大概140几名130几名那么之后是逐年下滑我们我现在\n\n16\n00:05:43,487 --> 00:05:59,343\n拿中研院跟中國科學院香港城市大學跟廣州晉南大學這個是廣州晉南大學大家知道這個是最近我們教育部才還有這個我們行政院宣告這不可以跟廣州晉南大學去\n\n17\n00:06:00,504 --> 00:06:03,166\n就不承認廣州近南大學的學歷可是看看廣州近南大學它在2017年當時的排名是418名到了2024年它的排名已經躍升為130名跟它的經費有關跟它人數有關\n\n18\n00:06:16,418 --> 00:06:38,709\n中研院在2017年的時候當時的排名應該是211名到了2024年排名下跌到341名更不用說我們今天跟中國科學院來比中國科學院從2013年一直到現在還始終都是No.1那我要講就是說他們的機會比我們大多少他們的人數比我們大多少他們的社會上國家的支持比我們大多少\n\n19\n00:06:39,970 --> 00:07:01,847\n我們現在是要馬而跑又要馬而不吃草這不可能達成的事情那我們再來看看中研院跟國內大學的排名中研院可以跟台大比吧中研院拿的預算跟台大是差不多的我們剛才講過中研院的所有paper都要被除以二除以三而且我們人數少而且我們的人文科學沒有放在裡面\n\n20\n00:07:02,848 --> 00:07:18,698\n中研院拿的預算的確是相當於台大比太多的大學的預算都拿的多今天我其實只是想要呈現一個事實就是說中研院我認為中研院就是應該要虛心檢討看看有沒有熱情在改進的空間我們看看中研院跟台大的排名就知道不好意思我這邊數字有點錯誤\n\n21\n00:07:26,042 --> 00:07:52,132\n事實上2013年的時候中研院的排名是136然後台大是102你可以看到這次當然整體來講是下滑但是中研院的表現還是沒有台大好我要講的一個事實就是中研院以你們的規模你們的人數你們的經費來講它其實真的是全台灣拿的研究經費最多的單位但是跟其他的大學相比\n\n22\n00:07:53,684 --> 00:08:16,790\n事實上你們的表現沒有特別好所以我認為其實在各個領域裡面還有這個進步的空間但是我們是有進步的空間但請委員了解你從不同的靈境看可以看到不同的長相所以中文院確實是有可以虛心檢討的地方我們確實是應該做得更好但是我想\n\n23\n00:08:17,310 --> 00:08:39,740\n我們不能用任何一個這個數字指標來否定說中研院這幾年的進步我們有更需要的地盤你說中研院你的排名有上升的時候你就會說我認為說這個NatureIndex的這個數字基本上是可信的它基本上它的指標是正確的但是因為我們看到這個趨勢是逐漸下滑然後這時候院長又說這個指標不可信不好意思超時太久了\n\n24\n00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:56,840\n可不可以会后请院长在书面报告给您好不好不好意思对我想在这边话就是最后我还是说我的看法我对中研院是爱之深责之切我希望院长能够跟你们同仁好好的再去思考怎么样能够提\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n549\t749\t有請院長\n14369\t29845\t那麼我想剛剛因為范雲委員特別講說這個我對於法律所這個之前也提了這個部分的預算三檢我必須說我作為一個法律學者我對法律所中英院法律所是愛之深責之切我希望法律所能夠表現的\n30706\t49614\t更好 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而且我們的人文科學沒有放在裡面\n422848\t438698\t中研院拿的預算的確是相當於台大比太多的大學的預算都拿的多今天我其實只是想要呈現一個事實就是說中研院我認為中研院就是應該要虛心檢討看看有沒有熱情在改進的空間我們看看中研院跟台大的排名就知道不好意思我這邊數字有點錯誤\n446042\t472132\t事實上2013年的時候中研院的排名是136然後台大是102你可以看到這次當然整體來講是下滑但是中研院的表現還是沒有台大好我要講的一個事實就是中研院以你們的規模你們的人數你們的經費來講它其實真的是全台灣拿的研究經費最多的單位但是跟其他的大學相比\n473684\t496790\t事實上你們的表現沒有特別好所以我認為其實在各個領域裡面還有這個進步的空間但是我們是有進步的空間但請委員了解你從不同的靈境看可以看到不同的長相所以中文院確實是有可以虛心檢討的地方我們確實是應該做得更好但是我想\n497310\t519740\t我們不能用任何一個這個數字指標來否定說中研院這幾年的進步我們有更需要的地盤你說中研院你的排名有上升的時候你就會說我認為說這個Nature Index的這個數字基本上是可信的它基本上它的指標是正確的但是因為我們看到這個趨勢是逐漸下滑然後這時候院長又說這個指標不可信不好意思 超時太久了\n520280\t536840\t可不可以会后请院长在书面报告给您好不好不好意思对我想在这边话就是最后我还是说我的看法我对中研院是爱之深责之切我希望院长能够跟你们同仁好好的再去思考怎么样能够提\n","txt":"有請院長\n那麼我想剛剛因為范雲委員特別講說這個我對於法律所這個之前也提了這個部分的預算三檢我必須說我作為一個法律學者我對法律所中英院法律所是愛之深責之切我希望法律所能夠表現的\n更好 那麼雖然說當然他已經在我們國內的法研所的法律領域裡面表現得非常傑出但是我還是希望能夠更上一層樓不過就是從院長您今天的這個簡報裡面我還是沒有看到在人文組作業研究成果裡面有哪一個是屬於法律所的\n主凡不及備載\n我看這個歐美所歷史所經濟研究所社會所都有但是很遺憾竟然沒有法律所的重要成果我們只有10分鐘可以報告那我們有33個所中心假如一個一個報的話我們一個所大概只能報10秒鐘\n您預計未來十年中研院會培育諾貝爾獎得主嗎\n我們希望說不要以任何特殊的獎項來當個目標我們做學術研究應該以創造知識貢獻社會為目標而不是以拿任何獎項為目標否則的話我們會過得很辛苦\n是的我非常同意這個院長您的看法但是您知道嗎我們現在國內學界設置了多少獎項對這個部分的話或許中研院之後也可以好好檢討需不需要用獎項來作為譬如說經歷薪資啦各方面的獎補助的一個標準那接下來我想請問一下這個院長您知道這個英國有個Nature這個期刊吧是的英國Nature期刊的公信力為何\n期刊看看哪一部分的公信力在自然科學領域裡面呢在這個他發表文章都相當有影響力那他有一些被人家詬病的地方但是他也有他的貢獻所以每一個方向並不是說百分之百他就是完全是是大家一致公認但是也是確實是相當好的一個期刊\n好的 那么我要讲就是英国的Nature期刊它公布的自然指数就是Nature Index其实它就全球的整体研究学术机构的排名那我们看到一个趋势这是本席所做的一些小小的study从2013年到2024年我们可以看到中研院的整体的排名从2013年的136名一直下滑到2024年的340亿名\n這是大家詬病的地方因為Nature Index它一個很特殊的計算方法一篇paper假如有三個單位掛名就除以3一個單位掛名就除以1中文院近年來就鼓勵跟大學合作特別是我們的研究生每一個都是大學所以幾乎每一篇paper至少有中文院跟一個大學所以我們至少我們的paper的數量就被除以2除以3甚至除以4\n以这种方式除此之外这个Nature Index又没有把人文放进去谢谢院长因为我已经没有时间了对我想就是说基本上您会认为说就是Nature Index它所做的这个统计数据基本上并不是很符合我们中研院这边的这个发表的情况那么但是我要讲一个事实就是说您看看我们政府给中研院的预算从2018年到2024年是算是一个非常就是每年提高\n而且它這個成長的比例非常之高我的意思就是說其實中研院每年拿的預算大概就平均差不多130億到150億左右可是在Nature Index的排名數據呢卻是逐步的下滑雖然說是中研院或是其他國內大學可能有很多維持對於這個Nature Index的所做的排名統計不是認為很客觀\n但是它就是一個事實在全球的排名裡面來看我們可以知道它的確是一個問題我不認為它是一個問題我認為它只是一個指標我們不應該跟著一個商業機構的指標來後面進行如果這樣的話其實我建議中研院根本就退出這個排名根本就不用去參與這個排名我們沒有參加\n但是说实在话这个其实也是有点这个我认为是太鸵鸟了对不对我们还是要去面对这个全世界的排名我们接下来看一下这个我们知道其实中研院在2013年的时候当时的这个排名都还有大概140几名130几名那么之后是逐年下滑我们我现在\n拿中研院跟中國科學院香港城市大學跟廣州晉南大學這個是廣州晉南大學大家知道這個是最近我們教育部才還有這個我們行政院宣告這不可以跟廣州晉南大學去\n就不承認廣州近南大學的學歷可是看看廣州近南大學它在2017年當時的排名是418名到了2024年它的排名已經躍升為130名跟它的經費有關跟它人數有關\n中研院在2017年的時候當時的排名應該是211名到了2024年排名下跌到341名更不用說我們今天跟中國科學院來比中國科學院從2013年一直到現在還始終都是No.1那我要講就是說他們的機會比我們大多少他們的人數比我們大多少他們的社會上國家的支持比我們大多少\n我們現在是要馬而跑 又要馬而不吃草 這不可能達成的事情那我們再來看看中研院跟國內大學的排名中研院可以跟台大比吧 中研院拿的預算跟台大是差不多的我們剛才講過 中研院的所有paper都要被除以二除以三而且我們人數少 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