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00:00:14,508\n因為時間有限我先請部會的首長一起上來外交部陳正次經濟部是江正次然後我們財政部的謝長次還有我們陸委會的沈副主委\n\n2\n00:00:17,093 --> 00:00:36,270\n好先有請外交部市長我就直接詢問其實現在還是有許多的媒體甚至於外界在造謠說美方是已讀不回所以說對台灣來講這個對可能還沒有排上所以我要很明確的詢問在這一波談判當中我們有信心是已經接上線\n\n3\n00:00:37,506 --> 00:00:58,791\n哇我們不是有信心我們現在已經掛上號而且這個是經過美國的白宮相關的人士證實那所以說並不是這個空泛的就是說我們去有個感覺而已這是確實的事情我們已經排上號我們就是在那個75國的名單裡面我們馬上要我們ready而且我們隨時要準備開始進行談判\n\n4\n00:01:00,011 --> 00:01:22,310\n那麼因為我們已經ready我們掛上號我們隨時都已經準備要好談判其實從川普昨天半夜的決定就可以看得出來他很明確的就是希望能夠在這場關稅風暴底下去紅色供應鏈甚至於呢就是要讓全球在這場貿易的關稅當中要做出決定跟選擇是不是\n\n5\n00:01:23,911 --> 00:01:37,627\n沒錯,我想這個非紅供應鏈是川普很重要的從第一任開始他的一個重要的政策那台灣因為我們的政策選擇上面我想我們現在來說是站在對的一方\n\n6\n00:01:38,100 --> 00:01:49,802\n好我想這個對於所有的全國民眾來講可以先暫緩休息90天來看我們行政團隊的表現這相當重要的好謝謝鄭次喔我現在有請經濟部跟財政部我首先先問經濟部其實美中貿易戰在川普第一任的時候就已經展開了2018年就有美中貿易戰之後台灣為了因應我們曾經有修正法律也就是在2019年的時候我們修正了貿易法\n\n7\n00:02:04,045 --> 00:02:30,312\n那麼在這個法案的過程當中為什麼要做這樣的修正其實最重要的就是避免在美中貿易戰底下台灣變成息產地的中介是吧那麼整體來說我想要就問經濟部跟財政部因為我知道這個政策過去是關務署署長啦這個部分我想您一定非常的了解喔那麼在修法之後息產地的件數有沒有減少經濟部或財政部都可以\n\n8\n00:02:32,207 --> 00:02:46,952\n報告委員其實我們一直都在嚴加的管制進口監視的這個措施一直都沒有中斷而且呢我們也經常辦理相關的宣導會所以其實現在的廠商都非常的注意洗產地這個規定\n\n9\n00:02:49,774 --> 00:03:04,368\n這個樣的措施也是我們所不容許的好所以我想問的重點就是那我們在這個裁處的案件是不是有逐漸減少當中而且外界或者是美國是不是在我們2019年修法之後至今到現在2025年\n\n10\n00:03:07,858 --> 00:03:35,377\n習產地的案件是有效減少嗎然後來自中國習產地的比例又是如何來財政部是跟委員報告其實我們查獲的件數有388件其中輸往美國的有133件我們倒是沒有去比較修法前跟修法後的變化但是事實上海關一直都在執行好我知道海關相當的辛苦啦尤其在這個部分但是為什麼我會特別問這個是如果我們從2018年\n\n11\n00:03:37,538 --> 00:04:02,561\n看到美中貿易戰2019年修法到現在如果我們能夠透過修法有效的減少而且讓美方有看到我們是一個民主法治的國家我們有法規而且我們守法而且我們執法有成效我相信這個對於談判代表來講這就是一個很好的數據如果現在沒有我建議你們其實應該要讓數據透明出來有沒有道理\n\n12\n00:04:03,998 --> 00:04:29,916\n那麼就是因為擔心席產地喔但是我現在擔心啊是上有政策下有政策對策而且在藍白聯手底下的立法院不知道會通過什麼法案我們2019年把它杜絕起來之後我們看到2024年這個也是我跟財政部關務署所要的資料目前2024年對美國輸出的五大商品因為其實很多樣所以我大概做了五大類\n\n13\n00:04:30,536 --> 00:04:33,743\n就是USB極限器是排名第一有一兆\n\n14\n00:04:35,608 --> 00:04:40,973\n199億然後電腦主機是5112億電腦主機零件及附件第三名是2174億IC第四名是2153億網路設備是570億我想這個就是展現出台灣在對美之間貿易的部分但是我現在非常擔憂的是這些台灣可以製造中國也可以製造是吧\n\n15\n00:05:01,731 --> 00:05:19,002\n當中國面對現在川普所迎來的一百多超過破百的關稅的時候這些東西會不會透過台灣變成是一個席產地呢我想剛剛其實沈博安委員也跟我注意到了同樣的問題那就是國民黨所提出的離島示範區\n\n16\n00:05:21,543 --> 00:05:45,088\n難道現在是要為中國習產地開後門嗎從第18條之一的第6項當中我來念給大家聽大陸地區人民法人團體機構資金物品商品老物及服務進出離島自由示範區是可以透過主管機關來做一個特別的擬定其中他的說明欄就講了\n\n17\n00:05:46,695 --> 00:06:02,657\n會給予適度相關規定的鬆綁所以我就請教陸委會這個是不是在我們2019年修法而且我們有效的杜絕所謂洗產地之後現在藍白聯手\n\n18\n00:06:04,229 --> 00:06:23,146\n要使中國的廠商、勞力、貨物能夠透過洗產地的方式透過所謂的禮保示範貿易區為中國開後門如果這樣的法規過了之後我們是不是就是選對的人走對的路選錯的人關稅超過一百\n\n19\n00:06:24,429 --> 00:06:48,269\n我想現在基本上陸委會的態度還是說關於離島建設條例的部分還是必須要在兩岸人民關係條例底下來去做進行了那委員所關心的有沒有可能反而變成是我們開了這個國安的後門確實我們也認為現在這個法律在當前社會沒有共識尤其是我們全力的在進行一個要脫離紅色供應鏈的這種國際的這種氛圍底下的話那麼也應該要用國安的這個層次來去做一個思考\n\n20\n00:06:48,729 --> 00:07:13,848\n所以如果說他涉及到國安的這個議題同時在國內也是有高度的疑慮更甚至於是我們現在看到美國總統川普也特別的關注希望全球的民主國家都能夠謹慎的來跟中國保持一個經貿的往來的一個距離的話那貿然的來去做一個開放確實有可能會在人流物流金流都有可能會開後門造成國安疑慮甚至會影響到台美關係的情況底下應該要更審慎的來做一個評估\n\n21\n00:07:14,428 --> 00:07:32,716\n好這是陸委會的立場嘛那我問一下經濟部因為如果是離島建設條例當然相關的話這也跟經濟有關如果扣一個經濟的帽子當然你說要讓離島能夠推進經濟能夠繁榮等等我們都同意不然不會我們看到這幾天全球股市\n\n22\n00:07:33,556 --> 00:07:46,752\n因為川普的一句話或是美國的一個決定就會像洗三溫暖一樣大起大落但是這個法案目前他就在立法院裡面如果經濟部被問到相關的離島\n\n23\n00:07:48,035 --> 00:08:03,619\n自由貿易示範區要讓大陸地區的人民法人團體機關資金物流勞力服務通通可以透過這個示範區做一定程度的適度鬆綁請問這個會給我們的現在面臨的貿易談判帶來什麼樣的衝擊跟危險\n\n24\n00:08:10,804 --> 00:08:36,494\n報告委員您剛所提到的也是政府的顧慮所以我認為我們應該要好好的處理所以這個條例現在我們也希望在立法院討論的時候必須要顧及到國際的趨勢的發展那剛才陸委會的長官也有表達說這個條例的內容已經涉及到整體的國家的安全所以這個部分一定要去非常的注重這一點\n\n25\n00:08:37,096 --> 00:09:06,033\n好最後我再請外交部正次因為現在這個法規它不是秘密它是你上網可以看得到對外你也知道所以美國也看到所以外交部的立場是什麼會不會現在我們說了我們前面本來有法規我們要杜絕席產地我要講喔USB極限器電腦主機電腦主機零件IC網路設備這些東西台灣可以製造中國在昨天\n\n26\n00:09:07,389 --> 00:09:30,152\n蔡局長也是國安局蔡局長所提出來的國安局報告當中就有特別提到了中國現在面臨的東西就是經濟下滑內需整個緊縮然後產能過剩他現在最需要的就是把東西直接的往外銷如果台灣現在這樣的一個所謂離島自由貿易市番區出來那是不是給美國錯誤的訊息\n\n27\n00:09:31,909 --> 00:09:46,721\n那麼這是我們所擔心的一個方向那麼美國對於這個洗產地的責任非常的重視那麼也這是他整個這個關稅全球佈局的一個用意之所在那麼他會跟美國的盡力的溝通那麼也希望\n\n28\n00:09:47,341 --> 00:10:12,655\n那麼剛才這個包括陸委會包括經濟部也表達立場我們也會跟美國來繼續的溝通基於這樣一個立場來繼續溝通然後我們一定會對於這個洗產地的這樣一個作為做全面的一個防範我們不會不希望留下任何的漏洞那麼也當然這方面也是大院能夠這個注意到這樣的一種風險我們會適度的把這個相關的訊息跟這個我們立院這邊來做溝通\n\n29\n00:10:13,895 --> 00:10:31,511\n所以從外交部經濟部財政部再到陸委會其實都有明確的立場我們也透過質詢台來對外轉達只是很遺憾現在就是國民黨加民眾黨超過半數所以我也希望透過這個質詢台透過這個直播讓全球的國人可以看到到底選對的人走錯選對的人\n\n30\n00:10:33,976 --> 00:10:46,545\n就會走對的路選錯的人到底造成什麼樣的路我想大家都看得到那麼我也希望這個離島自由示範區條例這個案子最好藍白能夠自己把它先內部把它取消掉謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n109\t14508\t因為時間有限我先請部會的首長一起上來外交部陳正次經濟部是江正次然後我們財政部的謝長次還有我們陸委會的沈副主委\n17093\t36270\t好 先有請外交部市長 我就直接詢問其實現在還是有許多的媒體甚至於外界在造謠說美方是已讀不回所以說對台灣來講這個對可能還沒有排上所以我要很明確的詢問在這一波談判當中我們有信心是已經接上線\n37506\t58791\t哇 我們不是有信心 我們現在已經掛上號而且這個是經過美國的白宮相關的人士證實那所以說並不是這個空泛的就是說我們去有個感覺而已這是確實的事情 我們已經排上號我們就是在那個75國的名單裡面我們馬上要 我們ready 而且我們隨時要準備開始進行談判\n60011\t82310\t那麼因為我們已經ready我們掛上號我們隨時都已經準備要好談判其實從川普昨天半夜的決定就可以看得出來他很明確的就是希望能夠在這場關稅風暴底下去紅色供應鏈甚至於呢就是要讓全球在這場貿易的關稅當中要做出決定跟選擇是不是\n83911\t97627\t沒錯,我想這個非紅供應鏈是川普很重要的從第一任開始他的一個重要的政策那台灣因為我們的政策選擇上面我想我們現在來說是站在對的一方\n98100\t109802\t好我想這個對於所有的全國民眾來講可以先暫緩休息90天來看我們行政團隊的表現這相當重要的好謝謝鄭次喔我現在有請經濟部跟財政部我首先先問經濟部其實美中貿易戰在川普第一任的時候就已經展開了2018年就有美中貿易戰之後台灣為了因應我們曾經有修正法律也就是在2019年的時候我們修正了貿易法\n124045\t150312\t那麼在這個法案的過程當中為什麼要做這樣的修正其實最重要的就是避免在美中貿易戰底下台灣變成息產地的中介是吧那麼整體來說我想要就問經濟部跟財政部因為我知道這個政策過去是關務署署長啦這個部分我想您一定非常的了解喔那麼在修法之後息產地的件數有沒有減少經濟部或財政部都可以\n152207\t166952\t報告委員其實我們一直都在嚴加的管制進口監視的這個措施一直都沒有中斷而且呢我們也經常辦理相關的宣導會所以其實現在的廠商都非常的注意洗產地這個規定\n169774\t184368\t這個樣的措施也是我們所不容許的好 所以我想問的重點就是那我們在這個裁處的案件是不是有逐漸減少當中而且外界或者是美國是不是在我們2019年修法之後至今到現在2025年\n187858\t215377\t習產地的案件是有效減少嗎然後來自中國習產地的比例又是如何來 財政部是 跟委員報告其實我們查獲的件數有388件其中輸往美國的有133件我們倒是沒有去比較修法前跟修法後的變化但是事實上海關一直都在執行好 我知道海關相當的辛苦啦尤其在這個部分但是為什麼我會特別問這個是如果我們從2018年\n217538\t242561\t看到美中貿易戰2019年修法到現在如果我們能夠透過修法有效的減少而且讓美方有看到我們是一個民主法治的國家我們有法規而且我們守法而且我們執法有成效我相信這個對於談判代表來講這就是一個很好的數據如果現在沒有我建議你們其實應該要讓數據透明出來有沒有道理\n243998\t269916\t那麼就是因為擔心席產地喔但是我現在擔心啊是上有政策下有政策對策而且在藍白聯手底下的立法院不知道會通過什麼法案我們2019年把它杜絕起來之後我們看到2024年這個也是我跟財政部關務署所要的資料目前2024年對美國輸出的五大商品因為其實很多樣所以我大概做了五大類\n270536\t273743\t就是USB極限器是排名第一有一兆\n275608\t280973\t199億然後電腦主機是5112億電腦主機零件及附件第三名是2174億IC第四名是2153億網路設備是570億我想這個就是展現出台灣在對美之間貿易的部分但是我現在非常擔憂的是這些台灣可以製造中國也可以製造是吧\n301731\t319002\t當中國面對現在川普所迎來的一百多超過破百的關稅的時候這些東西會不會透過台灣變成是一個席產地呢我想剛剛其實沈博安委員也跟我注意到了同樣的問題那就是國民黨所提出的離島示範區\n321543\t345088\t難道現在是要為中國習產地開後門嗎從第18條之一的第6項當中我來念給大家聽大陸地區人民法人團體機構資金物品商品老物及服務進出離島自由示範區是可以透過主管機關來做一個特別的擬定其中他的說明欄就講了\n346695\t362657\t會給予適度相關規定的鬆綁所以我就請教陸委會這個是不是在我們2019年修法而且我們有效的杜絕所謂洗產地之後現在藍白聯手\n364229\t383146\t要使中國的廠商、勞力、貨物能夠透過洗產地的方式透過所謂的禮保示範貿易區為中國開後門如果這樣的法規過了之後我們是不是就是選對的人走對的路選錯的人關稅超過一百\n384429\t408269\t我想現在基本上陸委會的態度還是說關於離島建設條例的部分還是必須要在兩岸人民關係條例底下來去做進行了那委員所關心的有沒有可能反而變成是我們開了這個國安的後門確實我們也認為現在這個法律在當前社會沒有共識尤其是我們全力的在進行一個要脫離紅色供應鏈的這種國際的這種氛圍底下的話那麼也應該要用國安的這個層次來去做一個思考\n408729\t433848\t所以如果說他涉及到國安的這個議題同時在國內也是有高度的疑慮更甚至於是我們現在看到美國總統川普也特別的關注希望全球的民主國家都能夠謹慎的來跟中國保持一個經貿的往來的一個距離的話那貿然的來去做一個開放確實有可能會在人流物流金流都有可能會開後門造成國安疑慮甚至會影響到台美關係的情況底下應該要更審慎的來做一個評估\n434428\t452716\t好這是陸委會的立場嘛那我問一下經濟部因為如果是離島建設條例當然相關的話這也跟經濟有關如果扣一個經濟的帽子當然你說要讓離島能夠推進經濟能夠繁榮等等我們都同意不然不會我們看到這幾天全球股市\n453556\t466752\t因為川普的一句話或是美國的一個決定就會像洗三溫暖一樣大起大落但是這個法案目前他就在立法院裡面如果經濟部被問到相關的離島\n468035\t483619\t自由貿易示範區要讓大陸地區的人民法人團體機關資金物流勞力服務通通可以透過這個示範區做一定程度的適度鬆綁請問這個會給我們的現在面臨的貿易談判帶來什麼樣的衝擊跟危險\n490804\t516494\t報告委員您剛所提到的也是政府的顧慮所以我認為我們應該要好好的處理所以這個條例現在我們也希望在立法院討論的時候必須要顧及到國際的趨勢的發展那剛才陸委會的長官也有表達說這個條例的內容已經涉及到整體的國家的安全所以這個部分一定要去非常的注重這一點\n517096\t546033\t好最後我再請外交部正次因為現在這個法規它不是秘密它是你上網可以看得到對外你也知道所以美國也看到所以外交部的立場是什麼會不會現在我們說了我們前面本來有法規我們要杜絕席產地我要講喔USB極限器電腦主機電腦主機零件IC網路設備這些東西台灣可以製造中國在昨天\n547389\t570152\t蔡局長也是國安局蔡局長所提出來的國安局報告當中就有特別提到了中國現在面臨的東西就是經濟下滑內需整個緊縮然後產能過剩他現在最需要的就是把東西直接的往外銷如果台灣現在這樣的一個所謂離島自由貿易市番區出來那是不是給美國錯誤的訊息\n571909\t586721\t那麼這是我們所擔心的一個方向那麼美國對於這個洗產地的責任非常的重視那麼也這是他整個這個關稅全球佈局的一個用意之所在那麼他會跟美國的盡力的溝通那麼也希望\n587341\t612655\t那麼剛才這個包括陸委會包括經濟部也表達立場我們也會跟美國來繼續的溝通基於這樣一個立場來繼續溝通然後我們一定會對於這個洗產地的這樣一個作為做全面的一個防範我們不會不希望留下任何的漏洞那麼也當然這方面也是大院能夠這個注意到這樣的一種風險我們會適度的把這個相關的訊息跟這個我們立院這邊來做溝通\n613895\t631511\t所以從外交部經濟部財政部再到陸委會其實都有明確的立場我們也透過質詢台來對外轉達只是很遺憾現在就是國民黨加民眾黨超過半數所以我也希望透過這個質詢台透過這個直播讓全球的國人可以看到到底選對的人走錯選對的人\n633976\t646545\t就會走對的路選錯的人到底造成什麼樣的路我想大家都看得到那麼我也希望這個離島自由示範區條例這個案子最好藍白能夠自己把它先內部把它取消掉謝謝\n","txt":"因為時間有限我先請部會的首長一起上來外交部陳正次經濟部是江正次然後我們財政部的謝長次還有我們陸委會的沈副主委\n好 先有請外交部市長 我就直接詢問其實現在還是有許多的媒體甚至於外界在造謠說美方是已讀不回所以說對台灣來講這個對可能還沒有排上所以我要很明確的詢問在這一波談判當中我們有信心是已經接上線\n哇 我們不是有信心 我們現在已經掛上號而且這個是經過美國的白宮相關的人士證實那所以說並不是這個空泛的就是說我們去有個感覺而已這是確實的事情 我們已經排上號我們就是在那個75國的名單裡面我們馬上要 我們ready 而且我們隨時要準備開始進行談判\n那麼因為我們已經ready我們掛上號我們隨時都已經準備要好談判其實從川普昨天半夜的決定就可以看得出來他很明確的就是希望能夠在這場關稅風暴底下去紅色供應鏈甚至於呢就是要讓全球在這場貿易的關稅當中要做出決定跟選擇是不是\n沒錯,我想這個非紅供應鏈是川普很重要的從第一任開始他的一個重要的政策那台灣因為我們的政策選擇上面我想我們現在來說是站在對的一方\n好我想這個對於所有的全國民眾來講可以先暫緩休息90天來看我們行政團隊的表現這相當重要的好謝謝鄭次喔我現在有請經濟部跟財政部我首先先問經濟部其實美中貿易戰在川普第一任的時候就已經展開了2018年就有美中貿易戰之後台灣為了因應我們曾經有修正法律也就是在2019年的時候我們修正了貿易法\n那麼在這個法案的過程當中為什麼要做這樣的修正其實最重要的就是避免在美中貿易戰底下台灣變成息產地的中介是吧那麼整體來說我想要就問經濟部跟財政部因為我知道這個政策過去是關務署署長啦這個部分我想您一定非常的了解喔那麼在修法之後息產地的件數有沒有減少經濟部或財政部都可以\n報告委員其實我們一直都在嚴加的管制進口監視的這個措施一直都沒有中斷而且呢我們也經常辦理相關的宣導會所以其實現在的廠商都非常的注意洗產地這個規定\n這個樣的措施也是我們所不容許的好 所以我想問的重點就是那我們在這個裁處的案件是不是有逐漸減少當中而且外界或者是美國是不是在我們2019年修法之後至今到現在2025年\n習產地的案件是有效減少嗎然後來自中國習產地的比例又是如何來 財政部是 跟委員報告其實我們查獲的件數有388件其中輸往美國的有133件我們倒是沒有去比較修法前跟修法後的變化但是事實上海關一直都在執行好 我知道海關相當的辛苦啦尤其在這個部分但是為什麼我會特別問這個是如果我們從2018年\n看到美中貿易戰2019年修法到現在如果我們能夠透過修法有效的減少而且讓美方有看到我們是一個民主法治的國家我們有法規而且我們守法而且我們執法有成效我相信這個對於談判代表來講這就是一個很好的數據如果現在沒有我建議你們其實應該要讓數據透明出來有沒有道理\n那麼就是因為擔心席產地喔但是我現在擔心啊是上有政策下有政策對策而且在藍白聯手底下的立法院不知道會通過什麼法案我們2019年把它杜絕起來之後我們看到2024年這個也是我跟財政部關務署所要的資料目前2024年對美國輸出的五大商品因為其實很多樣所以我大概做了五大類\n就是USB極限器是排名第一有一兆\n199億然後電腦主機是5112億電腦主機零件及附件第三名是2174億IC第四名是2153億網路設備是570億我想這個就是展現出台灣在對美之間貿易的部分但是我現在非常擔憂的是這些台灣可以製造中國也可以製造是吧\n當中國面對現在川普所迎來的一百多超過破百的關稅的時候這些東西會不會透過台灣變成是一個席產地呢我想剛剛其實沈博安委員也跟我注意到了同樣的問題那就是國民黨所提出的離島示範區\n難道現在是要為中國習產地開後門嗎從第18條之一的第6項當中我來念給大家聽大陸地區人民法人團體機構資金物品商品老物及服務進出離島自由示範區是可以透過主管機關來做一個特別的擬定其中他的說明欄就講了\n會給予適度相關規定的鬆綁所以我就請教陸委會這個是不是在我們2019年修法而且我們有效的杜絕所謂洗產地之後現在藍白聯手\n要使中國的廠商、勞力、貨物能夠透過洗產地的方式透過所謂的禮保示範貿易區為中國開後門如果這樣的法規過了之後我們是不是就是選對的人走對的路選錯的人關稅超過一百\n我想現在基本上陸委會的態度還是說關於離島建設條例的部分還是必須要在兩岸人民關係條例底下來去做進行了那委員所關心的有沒有可能反而變成是我們開了這個國安的後門確實我們也認為現在這個法律在當前社會沒有共識尤其是我們全力的在進行一個要脫離紅色供應鏈的這種國際的這種氛圍底下的話那麼也應該要用國安的這個層次來去做一個思考\n所以如果說他涉及到國安的這個議題同時在國內也是有高度的疑慮更甚至於是我們現在看到美國總統川普也特別的關注希望全球的民主國家都能夠謹慎的來跟中國保持一個經貿的往來的一個距離的話那貿然的來去做一個開放確實有可能會在人流物流金流都有可能會開後門造成國安疑慮甚至會影響到台美關係的情況底下應該要更審慎的來做一個評估\n好這是陸委會的立場嘛那我問一下經濟部因為如果是離島建設條例當然相關的話這也跟經濟有關如果扣一個經濟的帽子當然你說要讓離島能夠推進經濟能夠繁榮等等我們都同意不然不會我們看到這幾天全球股市\n因為川普的一句話或是美國的一個決定就會像洗三溫暖一樣大起大落但是這個法案目前他就在立法院裡面如果經濟部被問到相關的離島\n自由貿易示範區要讓大陸地區的人民法人團體機關資金物流勞力服務通通可以透過這個示範區做一定程度的適度鬆綁請問這個會給我們的現在面臨的貿易談判帶來什麼樣的衝擊跟危險\n報告委員您剛所提到的也是政府的顧慮所以我認為我們應該要好好的處理所以這個條例現在我們也希望在立法院討論的時候必須要顧及到國際的趨勢的發展那剛才陸委會的長官也有表達說這個條例的內容已經涉及到整體的國家的安全所以這個部分一定要去非常的注重這一點\n好最後我再請外交部正次因為現在這個法規它不是秘密它是你上網可以看得到對外你也知道所以美國也看到所以外交部的立場是什麼會不會現在我們說了我們前面本來有法規我們要杜絕席產地我要講喔USB極限器電腦主機電腦主機零件IC網路設備這些東西台灣可以製造中國在昨天\n蔡局長也是國安局蔡局長所提出來的國安局報告當中就有特別提到了中國現在面臨的東西就是經濟下滑內需整個緊縮然後產能過剩他現在最需要的就是把東西直接的往外銷如果台灣現在這樣的一個所謂離島自由貿易市番區出來那是不是給美國錯誤的訊息\n那麼這是我們所擔心的一個方向那麼美國對於這個洗產地的責任非常的重視那麼也這是他整個這個關稅全球佈局的一個用意之所在那麼他會跟美國的盡力的溝通那麼也希望\n那麼剛才這個包括陸委會包括經濟部也表達立場我們也會跟美國來繼續的溝通基於這樣一個立場來繼續溝通然後我們一定會對於這個洗產地的這樣一個作為做全面的一個防範我們不會不希望留下任何的漏洞那麼也當然這方面也是大院能夠這個注意到這樣的一種風險我們會適度的把這個相關的訊息跟這個我們立院這邊來做溝通\n所以從外交部經濟部財政部再到陸委會其實都有明確的立場我們也透過質詢台來對外轉達只是很遺憾現在就是國民黨加民眾黨超過半數所以我也希望透過這個質詢台透過這個直播讓全球的國人可以看到到底選對的人走錯選對的人\n就會走對的路選錯的人到底造成什麼樣的路我想大家都看得到那麼我也希望這個離島自由示範區條例這個案子最好藍白能夠自己把它先內部把它取消掉謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.109 --> 00:14.508\n因為時間有限我先請部會的首長一起上來外交部陳正次經濟部是江正次然後我們財政部的謝長次還有我們陸委會的沈副主委\n\n00:17.093 --> 00:36.270\n好先有請外交部市長我就直接詢問其實現在還是有許多的媒體甚至於外界在造謠說美方是已讀不回所以說對台灣來講這個對可能還沒有排上所以我要很明確的詢問在這一波談判當中我們有信心是已經接上線\n\n00:37.506 --> 00:58.791\n哇我們不是有信心我們現在已經掛上號而且這個是經過美國的白宮相關的人士證實那所以說並不是這個空泛的就是說我們去有個感覺而已這是確實的事情我們已經排上號我們就是在那個75國的名單裡面我們馬上要我們ready而且我們隨時要準備開始進行談判\n\n01:00.011 --> 01:22.310\n那麼因為我們已經ready我們掛上號我們隨時都已經準備要好談判其實從川普昨天半夜的決定就可以看得出來他很明確的就是希望能夠在這場關稅風暴底下去紅色供應鏈甚至於呢就是要讓全球在這場貿易的關稅當中要做出決定跟選擇是不是\n\n01:23.911 --> 01:37.627\n沒錯,我想這個非紅供應鏈是川普很重要的從第一任開始他的一個重要的政策那台灣因為我們的政策選擇上面我想我們現在來說是站在對的一方\n\n01:38.100 --> 01:49.802\n好我想這個對於所有的全國民眾來講可以先暫緩休息90天來看我們行政團隊的表現這相當重要的好謝謝鄭次喔我現在有請經濟部跟財政部我首先先問經濟部其實美中貿易戰在川普第一任的時候就已經展開了2018年就有美中貿易戰之後台灣為了因應我們曾經有修正法律也就是在2019年的時候我們修正了貿易法\n\n02:04.045 --> 02:30.312\n那麼在這個法案的過程當中為什麼要做這樣的修正其實最重要的就是避免在美中貿易戰底下台灣變成息產地的中介是吧那麼整體來說我想要就問經濟部跟財政部因為我知道這個政策過去是關務署署長啦這個部分我想您一定非常的了解喔那麼在修法之後息產地的件數有沒有減少經濟部或財政部都可以\n\n02:32.207 --> 02:46.952\n報告委員其實我們一直都在嚴加的管制進口監視的這個措施一直都沒有中斷而且呢我們也經常辦理相關的宣導會所以其實現在的廠商都非常的注意洗產地這個規定\n\n02:49.774 --> 03:04.368\n這個樣的措施也是我們所不容許的好所以我想問的重點就是那我們在這個裁處的案件是不是有逐漸減少當中而且外界或者是美國是不是在我們2019年修法之後至今到現在2025年\n\n03:07.858 --> 03:35.377\n習產地的案件是有效減少嗎然後來自中國習產地的比例又是如何來財政部是跟委員報告其實我們查獲的件數有388件其中輸往美國的有133件我們倒是沒有去比較修法前跟修法後的變化但是事實上海關一直都在執行好我知道海關相當的辛苦啦尤其在這個部分但是為什麼我會特別問這個是如果我們從2018年\n\n03:37.538 --> 04:02.561\n看到美中貿易戰2019年修法到現在如果我們能夠透過修法有效的減少而且讓美方有看到我們是一個民主法治的國家我們有法規而且我們守法而且我們執法有成效我相信這個對於談判代表來講這就是一個很好的數據如果現在沒有我建議你們其實應該要讓數據透明出來有沒有道理\n\n04:03.998 --> 04:29.916\n那麼就是因為擔心席產地喔但是我現在擔心啊是上有政策下有政策對策而且在藍白聯手底下的立法院不知道會通過什麼法案我們2019年把它杜絕起來之後我們看到2024年這個也是我跟財政部關務署所要的資料目前2024年對美國輸出的五大商品因為其實很多樣所以我大概做了五大類\n\n04:30.536 --> 04:33.743\n就是USB極限器是排名第一有一兆\n\n04:35.608 --> 04:40.973\n199億然後電腦主機是5112億電腦主機零件及附件第三名是2174億IC第四名是2153億網路設備是570億我想這個就是展現出台灣在對美之間貿易的部分但是我現在非常擔憂的是這些台灣可以製造中國也可以製造是吧\n\n05:01.731 --> 05:19.002\n當中國面對現在川普所迎來的一百多超過破百的關稅的時候這些東西會不會透過台灣變成是一個席產地呢我想剛剛其實沈博安委員也跟我注意到了同樣的問題那就是國民黨所提出的離島示範區\n\n05:21.543 --> 05:45.088\n難道現在是要為中國習產地開後門嗎從第18條之一的第6項當中我來念給大家聽大陸地區人民法人團體機構資金物品商品老物及服務進出離島自由示範區是可以透過主管機關來做一個特別的擬定其中他的說明欄就講了\n\n05:46.695 --> 06:02.657\n會給予適度相關規定的鬆綁所以我就請教陸委會這個是不是在我們2019年修法而且我們有效的杜絕所謂洗產地之後現在藍白聯手\n\n06:04.229 --> 06:23.146\n要使中國的廠商、勞力、貨物能夠透過洗產地的方式透過所謂的禮保示範貿易區為中國開後門如果這樣的法規過了之後我們是不是就是選對的人走對的路選錯的人關稅超過一百\n\n06:24.429 --> 06:48.269\n我想現在基本上陸委會的態度還是說關於離島建設條例的部分還是必須要在兩岸人民關係條例底下來去做進行了那委員所關心的有沒有可能反而變成是我們開了這個國安的後門確實我們也認為現在這個法律在當前社會沒有共識尤其是我們全力的在進行一個要脫離紅色供應鏈的這種國際的這種氛圍底下的話那麼也應該要用國安的這個層次來去做一個思考\n\n06:48.729 --> 07:13.848\n所以如果說他涉及到國安的這個議題同時在國內也是有高度的疑慮更甚至於是我們現在看到美國總統川普也特別的關注希望全球的民主國家都能夠謹慎的來跟中國保持一個經貿的往來的一個距離的話那貿然的來去做一個開放確實有可能會在人流物流金流都有可能會開後門造成國安疑慮甚至會影響到台美關係的情況底下應該要更審慎的來做一個評估\n\n07:14.428 --> 07:32.716\n好這是陸委會的立場嘛那我問一下經濟部因為如果是離島建設條例當然相關的話這也跟經濟有關如果扣一個經濟的帽子當然你說要讓離島能夠推進經濟能夠繁榮等等我們都同意不然不會我們看到這幾天全球股市\n\n07:33.556 --> 07:46.752\n因為川普的一句話或是美國的一個決定就會像洗三溫暖一樣大起大落但是這個法案目前他就在立法院裡面如果經濟部被問到相關的離島\n\n07:48.035 --> 08:03.619\n自由貿易示範區要讓大陸地區的人民法人團體機關資金物流勞力服務通通可以透過這個示範區做一定程度的適度鬆綁請問這個會給我們的現在面臨的貿易談判帶來什麼樣的衝擊跟危險\n\n08:10.804 --> 08:36.494\n報告委員您剛所提到的也是政府的顧慮所以我認為我們應該要好好的處理所以這個條例現在我們也希望在立法院討論的時候必須要顧及到國際的趨勢的發展那剛才陸委會的長官也有表達說這個條例的內容已經涉及到整體的國家的安全所以這個部分一定要去非常的注重這一點\n\n08:37.096 --> 09:06.033\n好最後我再請外交部正次因為現在這個法規它不是秘密它是你上網可以看得到對外你也知道所以美國也看到所以外交部的立場是什麼會不會現在我們說了我們前面本來有法規我們要杜絕席產地我要講喔USB極限器電腦主機電腦主機零件IC網路設備這些東西台灣可以製造中國在昨天\n\n09:07.389 --> 09:30.152\n蔡局長也是國安局蔡局長所提出來的國安局報告當中就有特別提到了中國現在面臨的東西就是經濟下滑內需整個緊縮然後產能過剩他現在最需要的就是把東西直接的往外銷如果台灣現在這樣的一個所謂離島自由貿易市番區出來那是不是給美國錯誤的訊息\n\n09:31.909 --> 09:46.721\n那麼這是我們所擔心的一個方向那麼美國對於這個洗產地的責任非常的重視那麼也這是他整個這個關稅全球佈局的一個用意之所在那麼他會跟美國的盡力的溝通那麼也希望\n\n09:47.341 --> 10:12.655\n那麼剛才這個包括陸委會包括經濟部也表達立場我們也會跟美國來繼續的溝通基於這樣一個立場來繼續溝通然後我們一定會對於這個洗產地的這樣一個作為做全面的一個防範我們不會不希望留下任何的漏洞那麼也當然這方面也是大院能夠這個注意到這樣的一種風險我們會適度的把這個相關的訊息跟這個我們立院這邊來做溝通\n\n10:13.895 --> 10:31.511\n所以從外交部經濟部財政部再到陸委會其實都有明確的立場我們也透過質詢台來對外轉達只是很遺憾現在就是國民黨加民眾黨超過半數所以我也希望透過這個質詢台透過這個直播讓全球的國人可以看到到底選對的人走錯選對的人\n\n10:33.976 --> 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去做一個開放，確實有可能在人流、物流、金流會開後門，造成國安疑慮，甚至影響到臺美關係的情況底下，應該要更審慎的來做一個評估。"],["林委員楚茵：好，這是陸委會的立場，那我問一下經濟部，因為離島建設條例當然也跟經濟有關，如果扣一個經濟的帽子，說到要讓離島能夠推進經濟、能夠繁榮等等，我們都同意，我們看到這幾天全球股市，因為川普的一句話或是美國的一個決定，就如同洗三溫暖一樣大起大落，但是這個法案目前就在立法院裡面，如果經濟部被問到離島相關的自由貿易示範區要讓大陸地區的人民、法人、團體、機關、資金、物流、勞力、服務，統統可以透過這個示範區做一定程度的適度鬆綁，請問這個會給我們現在面臨的貿易談判帶來什麼樣的衝擊跟危險？"],["江次長文若：報告委員，您剛剛提到的也是政府的顧慮，所以我認為我們應該要好好的處理，在立法院討論這個條例的時候，我們也希望必須要顧及到國際趨勢的發展，剛才陸委會長官也有表達說這個條例的內容已經涉及到整體的國家安全，所以在這部分一定要非常注重這一點。"],["林委員楚茵：最後我再請教外交部政次，因為現在這個法規不是秘密，是上網就可以看得到的，國外也可知道，所以美國也看得到，請問外交部的立場是什麼？之前我們說了我們本來有法規，我們要杜絕洗產地，我要提醒各位，USB、集線器、電腦主機、電腦主機零件、IC、網路設備這些東西，臺灣可以製造，中國也可以，在昨天國安局蔡局長提出來的國安局報告當中，就特別提到了中國現在面臨的就是經濟下滑，內需整個緊縮，然後產能過剩，他現在最需要的就是把東西直接的往外銷，如果臺灣現在弄出一個這樣的所謂離島自由貿易示範區，那是不是給美國錯誤的訊息？"],["陳次長明祺：這也是我們所擔心的一個方向，美國對於這個洗產地非常重視，這也是他整個關稅全球布局的一個用意所在，我們當然會跟美國盡力溝通，剛才包括陸委會包括經濟部也都表達了立場，我們也會基於這樣的一個立場來跟美國繼續的溝通，然後一定會對洗產地這樣的作為做全面的防範，我們不會也不希望留下任何的漏洞，當然大院能夠注意到這樣的一種風險，我們會適度的把相關的訊息跟立院這邊來做溝通。"],["林委員楚茵：所以從外交部、經濟部、財政部再到陸委會，其實都有明確的立場，我們也透過質詢台來對外轉達，只是很遺憾的，現在國民黨加民眾黨的委員數超過半數，所以我也希望透過這個質詢台、透過這個直播，讓全球的國人可以看到選對的人就會走對的路，選錯的人到底造成什麼樣的路，我想大家都看得到，那麼我也希望這個離島自由貿易示範區條例的案子，最好藍白能夠自己內部先把它取消掉，謝謝。"],["陳次長正祺：感謝。"],["主席：謝謝林楚茵委員的質詢。","接下來由李坤城上臺質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":210,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-35-7","speakers":["黃仁","王定宇","陳永康","羅美玲","馬文君","沈伯洋","徐巧芯","陳冠廷","楊瓊瓔","陳俊宇","林倩綺","林楚茵","李坤城","葉元之","林憶君"],"page_start":167,"meetingDate":["2025-04-10"],"gazette_id":"1143601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1143601_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請外交部部長、經濟部次長、大陸委員會副主任委員、財政部次長、國家發展委員會副主任委\n員、行政院經貿談判辦公室副總談判代表、中央銀行副總裁報告「美國開啟全球貿易制裁及與中\n共競合下，我外交經貿戰略佈局及因應」，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1143601_00004"}}}