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00:01:41,704\n我想跟委員說明分兩個面向就是說雖然說現在目前有90天的緩衝期就是32%降到基礎化的10%但是我們還是會跟持續跟產業做一個有效的溝通就是有不同的情境之下我們唯一的目標就是希望讓我們的產品持續能夠銷到美國去美國是一個非常重要的市場\n\n5\n00:01:42,284 --> 00:02:01,881\n不能因為關稅而放棄這是一個重要的但是高關稅我們農民的話整個我們的整個績效都會下降啊有一部分我們還會去轉移到其他的高端市場但是我要跟委員報告從關稅的競爭角度來講現在中國的關稅如果還是維持這樣子或應該會比台灣高的時候其實像\n\n6\n00:02:02,841 --> 00:02:24,876\n吳國瑜美國的市場中國佔的百分之將近70所以我們才佔百分之七而已所以在這個前提之下其實反而是一個我們的機會能夠去在那邊具有更大的潛力只要市場不萎縮所以這個部分我想我們用很多的所以關稅是最重要的市場才不會萎縮對就是關稅的\n\n7\n00:02:27,702 --> 00:02:39,536\n競賽的過程中中國現在目前是比較屬於劣勢的部分那這個機會我們如果加速我們的佈局在美國的佈局的話是能夠有效的爭取更多的市場我們也要把握這90天這個時間趕快做好準備重啟這個關稅的這個談判\n\n8\n00:02:45,103 --> 00:03:13,968\n那我剛有特別提到就是我們要開拓多元的市場那目前這種情況之下的話我們也要開拓那現在我們有準備往哪些國家來開拓嗎我想我們會根據目前的這些這些農漁產品本身的目標市場國去加大他的力量我舉個例子鱸魚其實我們鱸魚是以澳洲為最主要的一個市場那反而是美國相對的他的比例是比較低的大概只有1%而已那這種情況之下我們\n\n9\n00:03:14,468 --> 00:03:41,422\n哪些國家如魚像如魚的話是澳洲澳洲是最大的所以我們會加強澳洲的一個行銷讓更高端的所以現在這個澳洲那本身是要提醒啦因為如果說美國行不通之後還有歐盟的部分也有對美國如果行不通之後的話因為東南亞國家的農業產品跟我們同質性都很類似嘛同質性很高所以我們必須要開拓其他的多元一點市場好不好\n\n10\n00:03:43,284 --> 00:03:50,390\n那接下來就是想請教的那因為美國在那邊談判的話如果說我們部長這邊有做好準備應該知道美國有宣示一些政策那尤其是對於我們有一些食安問題部長應該就要了解了譬如我們的美牛美豬\n\n11\n00:04:01,700 --> 00:04:16,633\n一些特殊高危險的這些部位的這個美麗美术還有一些基改的食品的話他這次會不會在談判內容裡面我們要以國人的食安為最重要這是我們的底線不能超過這底線是不是我想\n\n12\n00:04:17,233 --> 00:04:35,065\n以農業部主責的相關的這些農產的一些關稅的談判那其實重點是在這些農產品有哪些農產品在過去我們是有一些比較高一點關稅的一個保護那這個部分會不會往下降其實大家關心的是這個就產業來講\n\n13\n00:04:36,266 --> 00:04:55,076\n但是農業是一個非常特殊的產業它具有糧食安全的一個任務在那邊所以該標示的要標示不能把這個拿來就談判的籌碼那尤其是標示產地的問題或者是說像牛的內臟牛的脊椎還有豬的腎臟還有萊克多巴胺的成分跟標準都要符合\n\n14\n00:04:56,243 --> 00:05:10,250\n才能夠進來不能因為為了把跟關稅降低而作為談判的籌碼不過你今天在講這個部分是衛務部主責一定要再堅持好不好衛務部主責但是我們農業部本身是針對產業面我們會去做一個有效的支撐\n\n15\n00:05:11,741 --> 00:05:27,325\n所以我們在討論另外一個問題就是美國也有進口我們台灣的農產品那你有沒有去盤點說美國進口了哪些農產品它的關稅我們可以說稍微把它調降來釋出善意有利於你們的談判呢\n\n16\n00:05:27,985 --> 00:05:54,017\n我想其實我們對美國現在目前進來的最主要是飼料用的黃小玉黃小玉的部分現在關稅都是零了現在是關稅是零他們進來就是零了所以我想關稅的談判其實關稅的談判是一個手段但是最終的目的是要兩國的貿易都能夠雙贏而且有互補的效益我們會從這個角度來處理是好謝謝部長我現在先請經濟部的我們郭部長\n\n17\n00:06:07,230 --> 00:06:22,164\n經過聽外媒的報導白宮在施壓底下台積電已經與美國英特爾公司達成協議未來要合資成立公司那台積電也會成為晶片生產上技術換取20%的股份是不是\n\n18\n00:06:25,558 --> 00:06:47,097\n報告委員這個我們對這個傳言因為不是經過政府的這個投審會所以我現在投審會有沒有審這個不清楚這一個傳言不清楚那我也不評論這個傳言我知道部長就是說這個是假設性的議題不予回答那但是我們還是要再討論這個問題因為居然外面都已經報導了\n\n19\n00:06:50,640 --> 00:07:12,107\n那尤其是台積電跟英特爾這個作為是競爭的對象部長應該了解他們就是競爭的對象如果他們雙方合資之後會出現兩種狀況第一種狀況就是英特爾公司會全面的退出晶圓代工的專注在IC的設計上第二種狀況的話就會是台積電跟英特爾公司共同經營這個晶圓代工的這個業務\n\n20\n00:07:14,810 --> 00:07:27,641\n如果在第一種狀況我們認為台積電還是比較有利的那如果第二種狀況就不行了那部長有什麼看法我們不評論這樣的傳言就是假設性的議題你不評論了但是我們希望部長\n\n21\n00:07:28,908 --> 00:07:57,680\n在這種合作關係雖然說沒有被證實但是我們就要避免這個第二種情形的發生第二種情形發生的話就會影響到台積電跟英特爾公司他們合作但我們希望投審會未來對這個審查的情況的話要更加的嚴審不要讓這個關鍵技術外流好不好如果有委員所指教的這樣的情形我們會關鍵技術還要非常重視的不能外流好謝謝部長謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6408\t11851\t謝謝主席 請農業部的陳部長來 請陳部長委員好部長在近年來兩岸的關係缺乏了互信的基礎所以也影響到我們雙邊的經貿的關係大陸也多次禁止我們台灣農漁產品的出口所以我們政府也採取了\n32882\t51991\t開拓多元外銷的市場像美國日本跟東南亞國家所以是希望能夠降低大陸的依賴所以美國在2022年也正式的成為我國最大的農產品的出口國但是4月2號你知道了川普宣布32%的這個對等關稅所以對我們農業產品是有非常大的影響那我們\n59534\t72068\t看到川普也在昨天有宣布暫停32%先降為到10%除了中國以外的國家在有90天的時間那90天的時間我們農業部這邊的話是不是趕快有什麼積極的措施要來跟川普這邊有進一步的談判呢\n81218\t101704\t我想跟委員說明分兩個面向就是說雖然說現在目前有90天的緩衝期就是32%降到基礎化的10%但是我們還是會跟持續跟產業做一個有效的溝通就是有不同的情境之下我們唯一的目標就是希望讓我們的產品持續能夠銷到美國去美國是一個非常重要的市場\n102284\t121881\t不能因為關稅而放棄這是一個重要的但是高關稅我們農民的話整個我們的整個績效都會下降啊有一部分我們還會去轉移到其他的高端市場但是我要跟委員報告從關稅的競爭角度來講現在中國的關稅如果還是維持這樣子或應該會比台灣高的時候其實像\n122841\t144876\t吳國瑜美國的市場中國佔的百分之將近70所以我們才佔百分之七而已所以在這個前提之下其實反而是一個我們的機會能夠去在那邊具有更大的潛力只要市場不萎縮所以這個部分我想我們用很多的所以關稅是最重要的市場才不會萎縮對就是關稅的\n147702\t159536\t競賽的過程中中國現在目前是比較屬於劣勢的部分那這個機會我們如果加速我們的佈局在美國的佈局的話是能夠有效的爭取更多的市場我們也要把握這90天這個時間趕快做好準備重啟這個關稅的這個談判\n165103\t193968\t那我剛有特別提到就是我們要開拓多元的市場那目前這種情況之下的話我們也要開拓那現在我們有準備往哪些國家來開拓嗎我想我們會根據目前的這些這些農漁產品本身的目標市場國去加大他的力量我舉個例子鱸魚其實我們鱸魚是以澳洲為最主要的一個市場那反而是美國相對的他的比例是比較低的大概只有1%而已那這種情況之下我們\n194468\t221422\t哪些國家如魚像如魚的話是澳洲澳洲是最大的所以我們會加強澳洲的一個行銷讓更高端的所以現在這個澳洲那本身是要提醒啦因為如果說美國行不通之後還有歐盟的部分也有對美國如果行不通之後的話因為東南亞國家的農業產品跟我們同質性都很類似嘛同質性很高所以我們必須要開拓其他的多元一點市場好不好\n223284\t230390\t那接下來就是想請教的那因為美國在那邊談判的話如果說我們部長這邊有做好準備應該知道美國有宣示一些政策那尤其是對於我們有一些食安問題部長應該就要了解了譬如我們的美牛 美豬\n241700\t256633\t一些特殊高危險的這些部位的這個美麗美术還有一些基改的食品的話他這次會不會在談判內容裡面我們要以國人的食安為最重要這是我們的底線不能超過這底線是不是我想\n257233\t275065\t以農業部主責的相關的這些農產的一些關稅的談判那其實重點是在這些農產品有哪些農產品在過去我們是有一些比較高一點關稅的一個保護那這個部分會不會往下降其實大家關心的是這個就產業來講\n276266\t295076\t但是農業是一個非常特殊的產業它具有糧食安全的一個任務在那邊所以該標示的要標示不能把這個拿來就談判的籌碼那尤其是標示產地的問題或者是說像牛的內臟牛的脊椎還有豬的腎臟還有萊克多巴胺的成分跟標準都要符合\n296243\t310250\t才能夠進來 不能因為為了把跟關稅降低而作為談判的籌碼不過你今天在講這個部分是衛務部主責一定要再堅持好不好衛務部主責 但是我們農業部本身是針對產業面我們會去做一個有效的支撐\n311741\t327325\t所以我們在討論另外一個問題就是美國也有進口我們台灣的農產品那你有沒有去盤點說美國進口了哪些農產品它的關稅我們可以說稍微把它調降來釋出善意有利於你們的談判呢\n327985\t354017\t我想其實我們對美國現在目前進來的最主要是飼料用的黃小玉黃小玉的部分現在關稅都是零了現在是關稅是零他們進來就是零了所以我想關稅的談判其實關稅的談判是一個手段但是最終的目的是要兩國的貿易都能夠雙贏而且有互補的效益我們會從這個角度來處理是 好 謝謝部長我現在先請經濟部的我們郭部長\n367230\t382164\t經過聽外媒的報導白宮在施壓底下台積電已經與美國英特爾公司達成協議未來要合資成立公司那台積電也會成為晶片生產上技術換取20%的股份是不是\n385558\t407097\t報告委員這個我們對這個傳言因為不是經過政府的這個投審會所以我現在投審會有沒有審這個不清楚這一個傳言不清楚那我也不評論這個傳言我知道部長就是說這個是假設性的議題不予回答那但是我們還是要再討論這個問題因為居然外面都已經報導了\n410640\t432107\t那尤其是台積電跟英特爾這個作為是競爭的對象部長應該了解他們就是競爭的對象如果他們雙方合資之後會出現兩種狀況第一種狀況就是英特爾公司會全面的退出晶圓代工的專注在IC的設計上第二種狀況的話就會是台積電跟英特爾公司共同經營這個晶圓代工的這個業務\n434810\t447641\t如果在第一種狀況我們認為台積電還是比較有利的那如果第二種狀況就不行了那部長有什麼看法我們不評論這樣的傳言就是假設性的議題你不評論了但是我們希望部長\n448908\t477680\t在這種合作關係雖然說沒有被證實但是我們就要避免這個第二種情形的發生第二種情形發生的話就會影響到台積電跟英特爾公司他們合作但我們希望投審會未來對這個審查的情況的話要更加的嚴審不要讓這個關鍵技術外流好不好如果有委員所指教的這樣的情形我們會關鍵技術還要非常重視的不能外流好謝謝部長謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 請農業部的陳部長來 請陳部長委員好部長在近年來兩岸的關係缺乏了互信的基礎所以也影響到我們雙邊的經貿的關係大陸也多次禁止我們台灣農漁產品的出口所以我們政府也採取了\n開拓多元外銷的市場像美國日本跟東南亞國家所以是希望能夠降低大陸的依賴所以美國在2022年也正式的成為我國最大的農產品的出口國但是4月2號你知道了川普宣布32%的這個對等關稅所以對我們農業產品是有非常大的影響那我們\n看到川普也在昨天有宣布暫停32%先降為到10%除了中國以外的國家在有90天的時間那90天的時間我們農業部這邊的話是不是趕快有什麼積極的措施要來跟川普這邊有進一步的談判呢\n我想跟委員說明分兩個面向就是說雖然說現在目前有90天的緩衝期就是32%降到基礎化的10%但是我們還是會跟持續跟產業做一個有效的溝通就是有不同的情境之下我們唯一的目標就是希望讓我們的產品持續能夠銷到美國去美國是一個非常重要的市場\n不能因為關稅而放棄這是一個重要的但是高關稅我們農民的話整個我們的整個績效都會下降啊有一部分我們還會去轉移到其他的高端市場但是我要跟委員報告從關稅的競爭角度來講現在中國的關稅如果還是維持這樣子或應該會比台灣高的時候其實像\n吳國瑜美國的市場中國佔的百分之將近70所以我們才佔百分之七而已所以在這個前提之下其實反而是一個我們的機會能夠去在那邊具有更大的潛力只要市場不萎縮所以這個部分我想我們用很多的所以關稅是最重要的市場才不會萎縮對就是關稅的\n競賽的過程中中國現在目前是比較屬於劣勢的部分那這個機會我們如果加速我們的佈局在美國的佈局的話是能夠有效的爭取更多的市場我們也要把握這90天這個時間趕快做好準備重啟這個關稅的這個談判\n那我剛有特別提到就是我們要開拓多元的市場那目前這種情況之下的話我們也要開拓那現在我們有準備往哪些國家來開拓嗎我想我們會根據目前的這些這些農漁產品本身的目標市場國去加大他的力量我舉個例子鱸魚其實我們鱸魚是以澳洲為最主要的一個市場那反而是美國相對的他的比例是比較低的大概只有1%而已那這種情況之下我們\n哪些國家如魚像如魚的話是澳洲澳洲是最大的所以我們會加強澳洲的一個行銷讓更高端的所以現在這個澳洲那本身是要提醒啦因為如果說美國行不通之後還有歐盟的部分也有對美國如果行不通之後的話因為東南亞國家的農業產品跟我們同質性都很類似嘛同質性很高所以我們必須要開拓其他的多元一點市場好不好\n那接下來就是想請教的那因為美國在那邊談判的話如果說我們部長這邊有做好準備應該知道美國有宣示一些政策那尤其是對於我們有一些食安問題部長應該就要了解了譬如我們的美牛 美豬\n一些特殊高危險的這些部位的這個美麗美术還有一些基改的食品的話他這次會不會在談判內容裡面我們要以國人的食安為最重要這是我們的底線不能超過這底線是不是我想\n以農業部主責的相關的這些農產的一些關稅的談判那其實重點是在這些農產品有哪些農產品在過去我們是有一些比較高一點關稅的一個保護那這個部分會不會往下降其實大家關心的是這個就產業來講\n但是農業是一個非常特殊的產業它具有糧食安全的一個任務在那邊所以該標示的要標示不能把這個拿來就談判的籌碼那尤其是標示產地的問題或者是說像牛的內臟牛的脊椎還有豬的腎臟還有萊克多巴胺的成分跟標準都要符合\n才能夠進來 不能因為為了把跟關稅降低而作為談判的籌碼不過你今天在講這個部分是衛務部主責一定要再堅持好不好衛務部主責 但是我們農業部本身是針對產業面我們會去做一個有效的支撐\n所以我們在討論另外一個問題就是美國也有進口我們台灣的農產品那你有沒有去盤點說美國進口了哪些農產品它的關稅我們可以說稍微把它調降來釋出善意有利於你們的談判呢\n我想其實我們對美國現在目前進來的最主要是飼料用的黃小玉黃小玉的部分現在關稅都是零了現在是關稅是零他們進來就是零了所以我想關稅的談判其實關稅的談判是一個手段但是最終的目的是要兩國的貿易都能夠雙贏而且有互補的效益我們會從這個角度來處理是 好 謝謝部長我現在先請經濟部的我們郭部長\n經過聽外媒的報導白宮在施壓底下台積電已經與美國英特爾公司達成協議未來要合資成立公司那台積電也會成為晶片生產上技術換取20%的股份是不是\n報告委員這個我們對這個傳言因為不是經過政府的這個投審會所以我現在投審會有沒有審這個不清楚這一個傳言不清楚那我也不評論這個傳言我知道部長就是說這個是假設性的議題不予回答那但是我們還是要再討論這個問題因為居然外面都已經報導了\n那尤其是台積電跟英特爾這個作為是競爭的對象部長應該了解他們就是競爭的對象如果他們雙方合資之後會出現兩種狀況第一種狀況就是英特爾公司會全面的退出晶圓代工的專注在IC的設計上第二種狀況的話就會是台積電跟英特爾公司共同經營這個晶圓代工的這個業務\n如果在第一種狀況我們認為台積電還是比較有利的那如果第二種狀況就不行了那部長有什麼看法我們不評論這樣的傳言就是假設性的議題你不評論了但是我們希望部長\n在這種合作關係雖然說沒有被證實但是我們就要避免這個第二種情形的發生第二種情形發生的話就會影響到台積電跟英特爾公司他們合作但我們希望投審會未來對這個審查的情況的話要更加的嚴審不要讓這個關鍵技術外流好不好如果有委員所指教的這樣的情形我們會關鍵技術還要非常重視的不能外流好謝謝部長謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.408 --> 00:11.851\n謝謝主席請農業部的陳部長來請陳部長委員好部長在近年來兩岸的關係缺乏了互信的基礎所以也影響到我們雙邊的經貿的關係大陸也多次禁止我們台灣農漁產品的出口所以我們政府也採取了\n\n00:32.882 --> 00:51.991\n開拓多元外銷的市場像美國日本跟東南亞國家所以是希望能夠降低大陸的依賴所以美國在2022年也正式的成為我國最大的農產品的出口國但是4月2號你知道了川普宣布32%的這個對等關稅所以對我們農業產品是有非常大的影響那我們\n\n00:59.534 --> 01:12.068\n看到川普也在昨天有宣布暫停32%先降為到10%除了中國以外的國家在有90天的時間那90天的時間我們農業部這邊的話是不是趕快有什麼積極的措施要來跟川普這邊有進一步的談判呢\n\n01:21.218 --> 01:41.704\n我想跟委員說明分兩個面向就是說雖然說現在目前有90天的緩衝期就是32%降到基礎化的10%但是我們還是會跟持續跟產業做一個有效的溝通就是有不同的情境之下我們唯一的目標就是希望讓我們的產品持續能夠銷到美國去美國是一個非常重要的市場\n\n01:42.284 --> 02:01.881\n不能因為關稅而放棄這是一個重要的但是高關稅我們農民的話整個我們的整個績效都會下降啊有一部分我們還會去轉移到其他的高端市場但是我要跟委員報告從關稅的競爭角度來講現在中國的關稅如果還是維持這樣子或應該會比台灣高的時候其實像\n\n02:02.841 --> 02:24.876\n吳國瑜美國的市場中國佔的百分之將近70所以我們才佔百分之七而已所以在這個前提之下其實反而是一個我們的機會能夠去在那邊具有更大的潛力只要市場不萎縮所以這個部分我想我們用很多的所以關稅是最重要的市場才不會萎縮對就是關稅的\n\n02:27.702 --> 02:39.536\n競賽的過程中中國現在目前是比較屬於劣勢的部分那這個機會我們如果加速我們的佈局在美國的佈局的話是能夠有效的爭取更多的市場我們也要把握這90天這個時間趕快做好準備重啟這個關稅的這個談判\n\n02:45.103 --> 03:13.968\n那我剛有特別提到就是我們要開拓多元的市場那目前這種情況之下的話我們也要開拓那現在我們有準備往哪些國家來開拓嗎我想我們會根據目前的這些這些農漁產品本身的目標市場國去加大他的力量我舉個例子鱸魚其實我們鱸魚是以澳洲為最主要的一個市場那反而是美國相對的他的比例是比較低的大概只有1%而已那這種情況之下我們\n\n03:14.468 --> 03:41.422\n哪些國家如魚像如魚的話是澳洲澳洲是最大的所以我們會加強澳洲的一個行銷讓更高端的所以現在這個澳洲那本身是要提醒啦因為如果說美國行不通之後還有歐盟的部分也有對美國如果行不通之後的話因為東南亞國家的農業產品跟我們同質性都很類似嘛同質性很高所以我們必須要開拓其他的多元一點市場好不好\n\n03:43.284 --> 03:50.390\n那接下來就是想請教的那因為美國在那邊談判的話如果說我們部長這邊有做好準備應該知道美國有宣示一些政策那尤其是對於我們有一些食安問題部長應該就要了解了譬如我們的美牛美豬\n\n04:01.700 --> 04:16.633\n一些特殊高危險的這些部位的這個美麗美术還有一些基改的食品的話他這次會不會在談判內容裡面我們要以國人的食安為最重要這是我們的底線不能超過這底線是不是我想\n\n04:17.233 --> 04:35.065\n以農業部主責的相關的這些農產的一些關稅的談判那其實重點是在這些農產品有哪些農產品在過去我們是有一些比較高一點關稅的一個保護那這個部分會不會往下降其實大家關心的是這個就產業來講\n\n04:36.266 --> 04:55.076\n但是農業是一個非常特殊的產業它具有糧食安全的一個任務在那邊所以該標示的要標示不能把這個拿來就談判的籌碼那尤其是標示產地的問題或者是說像牛的內臟牛的脊椎還有豬的腎臟還有萊克多巴胺的成分跟標準都要符合\n\n04:56.243 --> 05:10.250\n才能夠進來不能因為為了把跟關稅降低而作為談判的籌碼不過你今天在講這個部分是衛務部主責一定要再堅持好不好衛務部主責但是我們農業部本身是針對產業面我們會去做一個有效的支撐\n\n05:11.741 --> 05:27.325\n所以我們在討論另外一個問題就是美國也有進口我們台灣的農產品那你有沒有去盤點說美國進口了哪些農產品它的關稅我們可以說稍微把它調降來釋出善意有利於你們的談判呢\n\n05:27.985 --> 05:54.017\n我想其實我們對美國現在目前進來的最主要是飼料用的黃小玉黃小玉的部分現在關稅都是零了現在是關稅是零他們進來就是零了所以我想關稅的談判其實關稅的談判是一個手段但是最終的目的是要兩國的貿易都能夠雙贏而且有互補的效益我們會從這個角度來處理是好謝謝部長我現在先請經濟部的我們郭部長\n\n06:07.230 --> 06:22.164\n經過聽外媒的報導白宮在施壓底下台積電已經與美國英特爾公司達成協議未來要合資成立公司那台積電也會成為晶片生產上技術換取20%的股份是不是\n\n06:25.558 --> 06:47.097\n報告委員這個我們對這個傳言因為不是經過政府的這個投審會所以我現在投審會有沒有審這個不清楚這一個傳言不清楚那我也不評論這個傳言我知道部長就是說這個是假設性的議題不予回答那但是我們還是要再討論這個問題因為居然外面都已經報導了\n\n06:50.640 --> 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