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00:00:50,133\n這個還要看美方的一個進度還要看美方所以有可能會排很久以後因為90天我們一定比那個現在現場掛號的要快很多快很多大概是怎麼樣時間我們約90天其實75號以內75號以內是那所以是多久你一號要看幾天啊不要跟我在那邊耍嘴皮子好不好這是很嚴肅的議題耶\n\n4\n00:00:51,354 --> 00:01:18,363\n沒有那個這個看幾天90天之內對呀你75號你1號看兩天那100多天的啊不會不會所以你要對啦所以不要現在是第一個越快越好因為說實在你沒有給一個我們國內的廠商一個明確的答案他們現在還無所適從啊他要不要增加資本投資他到底要怎麼因應所以當然要越快越快越好但是我覺得我們在談判因為我知道次長那個部長有講說您是副總談判\n\n5\n00:01:19,443 --> 00:01:35,052\n在談判上我們都知道要giveandtake可是現在川普的態度其實蠻高傲的我看到媒體報導他說現在各國的領導人都搶著拍他馬屁英文叫kissmyass\n\n6\n00:01:36,223 --> 00:01:57,410\n他是這樣子講的然後說各國領導人找他都是說拜託啦來跟我做交易啦我什麼都願意意思是說他先把我們的關稅提高到32%然後呢好像只要在這32%以內他把它降下來就是給你恩惠的可是實際上像現在的10%對我們的國家的產業也都是有影響的\n\n7\n00:01:58,590 --> 00:02:13,257\n所以我覺得在談判上面我覺得還是要堅持我們國家的利益度第一件事情是當然美方非常重視我們一些貿易障礙非關稅的貿易障礙例如說食安在他們的報告裡面就有提到\n\n8\n00:02:13,937 --> 00:02:36,279\n他們對於我們進口的配額啊像簡易啊或者是基因食品啊這些他們都覺得是非關稅的貿易障礙但這牽涉到我們國內的食安問題所以你們在談判上有沒有可能說因為他說大家都搶著去拍他馬屁啦所以你給我放寬你的食安那我們就好好好因為我們什麼都願意所以我們就放寬在談判上會這樣嘛\n\n9\n00:02:38,820 --> 00:02:58,522\n我們在談判上面當然一定要顧及我們的國家的利益但是我們也跟委員報告我們這跟美國的這個在關稅上面的一個互動其實不妨把它看成是我們的整個產業的結構的一個調整那麼過去必然回答我的問題就好針對我的問題回答就好我是說你在談判的時候\n\n10\n00:02:59,362 --> 00:03:25,807\n我們要堅持台灣的利益譬如說台灣人重視的食安一定要堅持一定會把我們的這個包括的這個消費者的利益放在跟美方的談判裡面的重要的位置裡面再來就是譬如說賴總統投書媒體他說要以零關稅為基礎可是實際上很多經濟學者都指出其實我們的法定關稅不算高大概200左右只有個別的產業的關稅比較高譬如說汽車或保健食品\n\n11\n00:03:26,127 --> 00:03:53,852\n所以零關稅對美國是沒有什麼吸引力關鍵還是要拿出其他的籌碼去跟他談判其中有一個我昨天看到郭智慧部長講我是嚇一跳因為白宮的經濟顧問召集人米倫是有提到五個方法說可以跟美國談判其中第五個是說直接捐錢給美國財政部你知道嗎那昨天郭智慧部長是講說這也沒有不可以\n\n12\n00:03:55,100 --> 00:04:11,405\n那有學者就提出來就講說沒事我們幹嘛捐錢給他又不是政災然後又不是說我們戰敗國然後沒事捐錢給美國的我不知道說那個副總談判代表您的看法是怎樣完全同意這個委員的這個提醒\n\n13\n00:04:12,085 --> 00:04:30,129\n那麼我們在談判上面當然堅持我方倆尋求雙方最大的利益交集那這是我們談判的一個策略那麼像對於美方這些東西不盡完全合理的地方也盡力的來溝通希望能夠達成雙方的這個共識那零關稅用零關稅方式談判你自己覺得有用嗎\n\n14\n00:04:30,529 --> 00:04:55,729\n我們是用零關稅為基礎但就好像剛才這個這個顏惠欣這個顏副總談判代表這邊來說的一樣包括非關稅壁壘這個還有包括我們的這個相關的這個稅其實第三個很重要的是有關於這個貿易赤字的這個部分那美方現在是用結果論的方式所以貿易赤字是我們要努力的一個方式那我再跟國務院報告說\n\n15\n00:04:56,509 --> 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所以我們就放寬在談判上會這樣嘛\n我們在談判上面當然一定要顧及我們的國家的利益但是我們也跟委員報告我們這跟美國的這個在關稅上面的一個互動其實不妨把它看成是我們的整個產業的結構的一個調整那麼過去必然回答我的問題就好針對我的問題回答就好我是說你在談判的時候\n我們要堅持台灣的利益譬如說台灣人重視的食安一定要堅持一定會把我們的這個包括的這個消費者的利益放在跟美方的談判裡面的重要的位置裡面再來就是譬如說賴總統投書媒體他說要以零關稅為基礎可是實際上很多經濟學者都指出其實我們的法定關稅不算高大概200左右只有個別的產業的關稅比較高譬如說汽車或保健食品\n所以零關稅對美國是沒有什麼吸引力關鍵還是要拿出其他的籌碼去跟他談判其中有一個我昨天看到郭智慧部長講我是嚇一跳因為白宮的經濟顧問召集人米倫是有提到五個方法說可以跟美國談判其中第五個是說直接捐錢給美國財政部你知道嗎那昨天郭智慧部長是講說這也沒有不可以\n那有學者就提出來就講說沒事我們幹嘛捐錢給他又不是政災然後又不是說我們戰敗國然後沒事捐錢給美國的我不知道說那個副總談判代表您的看法是怎樣完全同意這個委員的這個提醒\n那麼我們在談判上面當然堅持我方倆尋求雙方最大的利益交集那這是我們談判的一個策略那麼像對於美方這些東西不盡完全合理的地方也盡力的來溝通希望能夠達成雙方的這個共識那零關稅用零關稅方式談判你自己覺得有用嗎\n我們是用零關稅為基礎但就好像剛才這個這個顏惠欣這個顏副總談判代表這邊來說的一樣包括非關稅壁壘這個還有包括我們的這個相關的這個稅其實第三個很重要的是有關於這個貿易赤字的這個部分那美方現在是用結果論的方式所以貿易赤字是我們要努力的一個方式那我再跟國務院報告說\n這個東西不用看成是一個對我方的利益的一個損失它可以看成是一個我們的整個經濟體質調整的一個契機我是覺得你不用粉絲太平啦這個對台灣的經濟絕對是影響很大啦不可否認那零關稅部分特別要提醒一下因為我剛剛講零關稅美方不見得會有吸引力啦但它有沒有可能談部分產業零關稅\n你們說農業部分兩邊零關稅那其實對我們農業產業就不是啦那這對我們農業產業就會有影響嘛這個東西當然是說我們還要提升我們自己的產業經驗去整理因為我\n農業部那時候在那個學校推一個什麼斑斑喝鮮奶政策就是因應紐西蘭的牛奶鮮乳零關稅進來台灣為了保護弱農所以叫小朋友喝鮮奶但是因為那時候政策也沒有配套所以也無極而終這真的對於一下下無極而終其實你如果要因應農業零關稅後面政府要做的規劃跟配套非常多\n所以我覺得那個談判方方面面不要像川普講的一樣好像大家都都是排隊等著要來拍他馬屁該怎樣怎樣我們該堅持的國人的利益還是要堅持住在談判過程中一定會兼顧國人的利益以及尋求雙方最大的利益交集感謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.651 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