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00:02:13,206\n那當然我們也看到川普這兩天的操作也讓未來呢說實在的不確定也是增加了非常的多所以三個月你說很長嗎其實沒有啊到底我們三個月內能不能進到這個談判的這個順序裡面我們到底排的這個順序是在前面還是後面其實這個也是讓我們非常的擔心那當然因為川普的不確定性當然三個月內如果75個國家還沒有談判完畢的話我在想這有沒有機會\n\n7\n00:02:17,388 --> 00:02:31,264\n三個月後如果我們排了三個月後我們有沒有機會還是一樣可以坐上這個談判桌因為機會是給準備好的人我們做了充分的準備川普總統上任到現在80天那未來還有90天我們可以談判\n\n8\n00:02:32,185 --> 00:02:54,225\n那我跟委員報告事實上從川普當選的那一天我們總統就指示行政院我們已經針對台美經貿的工作尤其是談判做了很多分工所以最近為什麼那麼快速的可以盤點完再做一些調整因為他現在政策很具體那這個時候我們跟他從管道已經建立到實質內容\n\n9\n00:02:56,167 --> 00:03:22,188\n到底是誰會先談或談得好不好取決於你的準備也就是你要跟他談判的內容你看越南的例子越南罪長講所謂的零關稅的這個作為他跟美國談判可是你看美方的官員他馬上就講說不是用講的因為這裡面涉及到的很多的不管是你關稅怎麼樣去降哪些這個包括一些貿易的障礙\n\n10\n00:03:23,294 --> 00:03:40,750\n他就指出很多的這些貿易障礙也要排除所以我們要談的包括說你要去讓雙方面的貿易能夠比較公平的話一方面是我們要增加它的進口\n\n11\n00:03:41,892 --> 00:04:07,060\n那同時呢我們怎麼樣去投資它那就不用透過我們的出口而是直接包括投資美國或採購這個方式很簡單就是這個怎麼樣去出口到美國的能夠相對它進口的我們能夠把這個貿易上任的時候我們就已經在做準備了嘛對不對所以我們在每樣做的包含經售的這個經購的這個部分也是嘛\n\n12\n00:04:07,660 --> 00:04:28,015\n對我跟委員簡單講一下比如我們有一個聯力方程式的話那每一個變數啊我們怎麼樣加起來之後可以縮短貿易事實上台美的貿易是去年2024史上最高是因為我們透過像AIServer或顯卡或這些電子資通訊半導體的產品那類似是歷史新高那隨著我們投資美國它會下降\n\n13\n00:04:28,935 --> 00:04:44,811\n同樣我們降低關稅或是比較對等的時候他進口台灣會增加所以這個公式其實是很容易去加加減減之後就能夠告訴川普政府說我們要做什麼事會有什麼結果所以川普政府的官員都說你要告訴我你要做什麼數字是什麼\n\n14\n00:04:46,693 --> 00:04:57,926\n他不是要一個口號那個如果說輕弱就會寡性啊到時候也會造成可能更大的一個不利的反應所以我們的這個工作同仁真的是沒面沒力尤其是4月2號那一天之後啊到5號到9號到今天\n\n15\n00:05:02,631 --> 00:05:14,320\n那我也可以跟委員報告就是說我們基本上他們提出的問題啊我們大概都有事先做準備那已經做了重新的盤點跟調整那現在就整個上談判桌就實質的項目跟內容一項一項來談我們是非常的以務實的態度而且是相當有準備\n\n16\n00:05:21,986 --> 00:05:37,738\n至於說他這個關稅既是目的也是手段他當然希望能夠平衡關稅可是他也希望用這個做槓桿那他要的是什麼那我們怎麼樣不會陷入被動而是我們藉由他要的去達到我們要的這也就是為什麼我們要組成台灣投資美國隊\n\n17\n00:05:44,002 --> 00:05:58,277\n那同時我們也期待美國投資台灣隊所以我剛剛在委員問題裡面有提到說我們不只是台美我們到第三國瓜地馬拉也好菲律賓也好都可以一起去投資強化台美經貿的合作跟我們的韌性\n\n18\n00:05:59,389 --> 00:06:23,145\n所以簡單的講就是說我們就是看美國他需要什麼那我們針對他的問題然後我們跟他去做這方面就是主軸我們就是先拉出來他要的是什麼我們能夠提供後續能夠提供什麼嗎那再來還有一點我想我們始終還是要坐上這個談判桌剛剛部長你有提到的所謂的零關稅像越南他一開始就提出說OK他們就要從零關稅開始談我們的總統也提到說我們要從零關稅開始談\n\n19\n00:06:29,789 --> 00:06:58,028\n那當然這個部分我們還是必須要回到之前我們跟拜登政府所簽訂的台美21世紀貿易倡議這個部分那這部分在去年底的時候已經生效了那現在好了第一階段對第一階段去年生效是沒錯那當初我們跟台美希望說利用這個堆積木的方式來堆疊那希望成為未來FTA的一個基礎吧我們本來想說用這樣子的方式那現在會不會就是因為這一波高額關稅的這個談判我們直接把這個過程給拿掉了\n\n20\n00:06:59,269 --> 00:07:13,654\n那直接進入它用這個FTA的模式來談會嗎這個部分可能待會請這個委員問一個很重要的問題啦因為這個台美21季貿易倡議是拜登政府提出以後會用這個名稱我們不確定但第一階段12項裡面的5項已經達成也會執行那這個是屬於非跟這是非關稅的一些我們怎麼去做貿易啊的一個這個台美的一個合作\n\n21\n00:07:28,325 --> 00:07:54,593\n那這些項目其實在我們推動的時候就幫助我們其實今天我們為什麼準備那麼快跟當時的這個台美21世紀貿易倡議的談判我們台灣已經做很多條式所以就不會從零開始所以我想前面的這個堆積木是有一定效果可是川普比較像是他比較是想要建立一個模他是目標先講出來你要答應一起來做\n\n22\n00:07:55,754 --> 00:08:06,785\n然後再慢慢去蓋所以我覺得每一個人的領導風格不一樣所以我們要了解這個川普總統有他作為一個我想他是一個談判高手我們怎麼樣跟他對上我常常講說對齊對接到對應那最好是我們能夠對等的雙贏\n\n23\n00:08:13,292 --> 00:08:27,947\n台灣不要只是為了被迫回應我們一直在回應中去掌握我們這個主動然後我們要達到的我們的國家目標然後甚至路徑圖我們也告訴他們了所以那個總統所提到的五項或是你看對應這個川普政府裡面的這些經濟的官員\n\n24\n00:08:32,472 --> 00:08:49,599\n他都列得很清楚怎麼樣會對等貿易有貢獻的項目是什麼那我們有沒有去一一去救那些項目我們看怎麼去努力那這需要台美一起努力不是只有台灣不是我們這樣而已事實上我們台美關稅的這個順差並不是很大\n\n25\n00:08:50,499 --> 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有請林佳龍部長還有經貿辦\n23391\t39856\t部長早安今天凌晨確實是一個非常戲劇性又非常驚爆的一個大轉彎我看到美股大漲那台股一開盤就狂漲媒體用這個滿血復活來形容我們今天的這個台股\n40876\t54425\t那美國除了對中國呢的進口關稅提高到125%那其他的而且是馬上生效那其他75個國家呢就你有去跟美國聯繫的你有去談的你沒有採取報復行動的其實呢他就\n58247\t76703\t維持這個10%甚至給你三個月的這個緩衝的這個時間那當然一開始今天我們的定語委員有在提到就是說我們到底有沒有在這75個國家裡面可是我今天有看到林部長你有提到說其實我們都已經有掛號進去了所以也就表示說其實我們就是在這75個國家裡面而且我們就是維持這10%而且我們三個月的這個緩衝期嘛是不是這樣子\n84370\t106531\t對所以這是非常非常明確的那當然我們也看到就是在一天 昨天一天之內我們看到了美國祭出了 同時祭出了這個棍子跟這個胡蘿蔔那當然我們也看到了它的這個針對性所以說它想要這個除了這個貿易逆差之外想它對這個中國的這個針對性是非常非常的強的\n107512\t133206\t那當然我們也看到川普這兩天的操作也讓未來呢說實在的不確定也是增加了非常的多所以三個月你說很長嗎其實沒有啊到底我們三個月內能不能進到這個談判的這個順序裡面我們到底排的這個順序是在前面還是後面其實這個也是讓我們非常的擔心那當然因為川普的不確定性當然三個月內如果75個國家還沒有談判完畢的話我在想這有沒有機會\n137388\t151264\t三個月後如果我們排了三個月後我們有沒有機會還是一樣可以坐上這個談判桌因為機會是給準備好的人我們做了充分的準備川普總統上任到現在80天那未來還有90天我們可以談判\n152185\t174225\t那我跟委員報告事實上從川普當選的那一天我們總統就指示行政院我們已經針對台美經貿的工作尤其是談判做了很多分工所以最近為什麼那麼快速的可以盤點完再做一些調整因為他現在政策很具體那這個時候我們跟他從管道已經建立到實質內容\n176167\t202188\t到底是誰會先談或談得好不好取決於你的準備也就是你要跟他談判的內容你看越南的例子越南罪長講所謂的零關稅的這個作為他跟美國談判可是你看美方的官員他馬上就講說不是用講的因為這裡面涉及到的很多的不管是你關稅怎麼樣去降哪些這個包括一些貿易的障礙\n203294\t220750\t他就指出很多的這些貿易障礙也要排除所以我們要談的包括說你要去讓雙方面的貿易能夠比較公平的話一方面是我們要增加它的進口\n221892\t247060\t那同時呢我們怎麼樣去投資它那就不用透過我們的出口而是直接包括投資美國或採購這個方式很簡單就是這個怎麼樣去出口到美國的能夠相對它進口的我們能夠把這個貿易上任的時候我們就已經在做準備了嘛對不對所以我們在每樣做的包含經售的這個經購的這個部分也是嘛\n247660\t268015\t對 我跟委員簡單講一下比如我們有一個聯力方程式的話那每一個變數啊我們怎麼樣加起來之後可以縮短貿易事實上台美的貿易是去年2024史上最高是因為我們透過像AI Server或顯卡或這些電子資通訊半導體的產品那類似是歷史新高那隨著我們投資美國它會下降\n268935\t284811\t同樣我們降低關稅或是比較對等的時候他進口台灣會增加所以這個公式其實是很容易去加加減減之後就能夠告訴川普政府說我們要做什麼事會有什麼結果所以川普政府的官員都說你要告訴我你要做什麼數字是什麼\n286693\t297926\t他不是要一個口號那個如果說輕弱就會寡性啊到時候也會造成可能更大的一個不利的反應所以我們的這個工作同仁真的是沒面沒力尤其是4月2號那一天之後啊到5號到9號到今天\n302631\t314320\t那我也可以跟委員報告就是說我們基本上他們提出的問題啊我們大概都有事先做準備那已經做了重新的盤點跟調整那現在就整個上談判桌就實質的項目跟內容一項一項來談我們是非常的以務實的態度而且是相當有準備\n321986\t337738\t至於說他這個關稅既是目的也是手段他當然希望能夠平衡關稅可是他也希望用這個做槓桿那他要的是什麼那我們怎麼樣不會陷入被動而是我們藉由他要的去達到我們要的這也就是為什麼我們要組成台灣投資美國隊\n344002\t358277\t那同時我們也期待美國投資台灣隊所以我剛剛在委員問題裡面有提到說我們不只是台美我們到第三國瓜地馬拉也好菲律賓也好都可以一起去投資強化台美經貿的合作跟我們的韌性\n359389\t383145\t所以簡單的講就是說我們就是看美國他需要什麼那我們針對他的問題然後我們跟他去做這方面就是主軸我們就是先拉出來他要的是什麼我們能夠提供後續能夠提供什麼嗎那再來還有一點我想我們始終還是要坐上這個談判桌剛剛部長你有提到的所謂的零關稅像越南他一開始就提出說OK他們就要從零關稅開始談我們的總統也提到說我們要從零關稅開始談\n389789\t418028\t那當然這個部分我們還是必須要回到之前我們跟拜登政府所簽訂的台美21世紀貿易倡議這個部分那這部分在去年底的時候已經生效了那現在好了第一階段對第一階段去年生效是沒錯那當初我們跟台美希望說利用這個堆積木的方式來堆疊那希望成為未來FTA的一個基礎吧我們本來想說用這樣子的方式那現在會不會就是因為這一波高額關稅的這個談判我們直接把這個過程給拿掉了\n419269\t433654\t那直接進入它用這個FTA的模式來談會嗎這個部分可能待會請這個委員問一個很重要的問題啦因為這個台美21季貿易倡議是拜登政府提出以後會用這個名稱我們不確定但第一階段12項裡面的5項已經達成也會執行那這個是屬於非跟這是非關稅的一些我們怎麼去做貿易啊的一個這個台美的一個合作\n448325\t474593\t那這些項目其實在我們推動的時候就幫助我們其實今天我們為什麼準備那麼快跟當時的這個台美21世紀貿易倡議的談判我們台灣已經做很多條式所以就不會從零開始所以我想前面的這個堆積木是有一定效果可是川普比較像是他比較是想要建立一個模他是目標先講出來你要答應一起來做\n475754\t486785\t然後再慢慢去蓋所以我覺得每一個人的領導風格不一樣所以我們要了解這個川普總統有他作為一個我想他是一個談判高手我們怎麼樣跟他對上我常常講說對齊對接到對應那最好是我們能夠對等的雙贏\n493292\t507947\t台灣不要只是為了被迫回應我們一直在回應中去掌握我們這個主動然後我們要達到的我們的國家目標然後甚至路徑圖我們也告訴他們了所以那個總統所提到的五項或是你看對應這個川普政府裡面的這些經濟的官員\n512472\t529599\t他都列得很清楚怎麼樣會對等貿易有貢獻的項目是什麼那我們有沒有去一一去救那些項目我們看怎麼去努力那這需要台美一起努力不是只有台灣不是我們這樣而已事實上我們台美關稅的這個順差並不是很大\n530499\t551874\t他是用這一個所謂貿易逆差作為一個類似來談判的籌碼的時候那我們就是要先上談判桌你沒有上談判桌的話你再多的準備都沒有用那我們現在有一個第一步我們建立了一個溝通管道那也列入他談判的對象那我們就把我們的內容談判所有的give and take所有的這一些互相的策略的互動我們要把它一一的提出來那跟他能夠得到互惠雙贏的結果\n559782\t564598\t林副長說得很好 我想那個經貿辦是不是要補充 你需要補充的部分嗎\n565647\t569589\t我簡單補充一下就是針對這個台美21世紀貿易倡議他理論上因為美國川普總統有說有說明對於他現在的所有FTA或雙邊協定他們會去檢視未來要持續推動的可能性以及如何去強化那目前他沒有還沒有提到我們台美這個倡議他要如何處理但是從我們經貿辦的角度我們會努力去推動希望可以朝向未來如果要進行具體協商的話那我想\n593158\t619457\t台美21世紀倡議我們現在委員這邊所列出來的這些貿易便捷化服務業國內規章反貪腐良好法制作業確實都是美國這一次在認定對等關稅它去所謂非關稅貿易障礙它去評估的來源所以我們有台美這絕對都是基礎對 所以它創造了很好的基礎所以我們會用這個去跟美國進一步的爭取OK 好 以上謝謝謝謝羅敏林委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請林佳龍部長還有經貿辦\n部長早安今天凌晨確實是一個非常戲劇性又非常驚爆的一個大轉彎我看到美股大漲那台股一開盤就狂漲媒體用這個滿血復活來形容我們今天的這個台股\n那美國除了對中國呢的進口關稅提高到125%那其他的而且是馬上生效那其他75個國家呢就你有去跟美國聯繫的你有去談的你沒有採取報復行動的其實呢他就\n維持這個10%甚至給你三個月的這個緩衝的這個時間那當然一開始今天我們的定語委員有在提到就是說我們到底有沒有在這75個國家裡面可是我今天有看到林部長你有提到說其實我們都已經有掛號進去了所以也就表示說其實我們就是在這75個國家裡面而且我們就是維持這10%而且我們三個月的這個緩衝期嘛是不是這樣子\n對所以這是非常非常明確的那當然我們也看到就是在一天 昨天一天之內我們看到了美國祭出了 同時祭出了這個棍子跟這個胡蘿蔔那當然我們也看到了它的這個針對性所以說它想要這個除了這個貿易逆差之外想它對這個中國的這個針對性是非常非常的強的\n那當然我們也看到川普這兩天的操作也讓未來呢說實在的不確定也是增加了非常的多所以三個月你說很長嗎其實沒有啊到底我們三個月內能不能進到這個談判的這個順序裡面我們到底排的這個順序是在前面還是後面其實這個也是讓我們非常的擔心那當然因為川普的不確定性當然三個月內如果75個國家還沒有談判完畢的話我在想這有沒有機會\n三個月後如果我們排了三個月後我們有沒有機會還是一樣可以坐上這個談判桌因為機會是給準備好的人我們做了充分的準備川普總統上任到現在80天那未來還有90天我們可以談判\n那我跟委員報告事實上從川普當選的那一天我們總統就指示行政院我們已經針對台美經貿的工作尤其是談判做了很多分工所以最近為什麼那麼快速的可以盤點完再做一些調整因為他現在政策很具體那這個時候我們跟他從管道已經建立到實質內容\n到底是誰會先談或談得好不好取決於你的準備也就是你要跟他談判的內容你看越南的例子越南罪長講所謂的零關稅的這個作為他跟美國談判可是你看美方的官員他馬上就講說不是用講的因為這裡面涉及到的很多的不管是你關稅怎麼樣去降哪些這個包括一些貿易的障礙\n他就指出很多的這些貿易障礙也要排除所以我們要談的包括說你要去讓雙方面的貿易能夠比較公平的話一方面是我們要增加它的進口\n那同時呢我們怎麼樣去投資它那就不用透過我們的出口而是直接包括投資美國或採購這個方式很簡單就是這個怎麼樣去出口到美國的能夠相對它進口的我們能夠把這個貿易上任的時候我們就已經在做準備了嘛對不對所以我們在每樣做的包含經售的這個經購的這個部分也是嘛\n對 我跟委員簡單講一下比如我們有一個聯力方程式的話那每一個變數啊我們怎麼樣加起來之後可以縮短貿易事實上台美的貿易是去年2024史上最高是因為我們透過像AI Server或顯卡或這些電子資通訊半導體的產品那類似是歷史新高那隨著我們投資美國它會下降\n同樣我們降低關稅或是比較對等的時候他進口台灣會增加所以這個公式其實是很容易去加加減減之後就能夠告訴川普政府說我們要做什麼事會有什麼結果所以川普政府的官員都說你要告訴我你要做什麼數字是什麼\n他不是要一個口號那個如果說輕弱就會寡性啊到時候也會造成可能更大的一個不利的反應所以我們的這個工作同仁真的是沒面沒力尤其是4月2號那一天之後啊到5號到9號到今天\n那我也可以跟委員報告就是說我們基本上他們提出的問題啊我們大概都有事先做準備那已經做了重新的盤點跟調整那現在就整個上談判桌就實質的項目跟內容一項一項來談我們是非常的以務實的態度而且是相當有準備\n至於說他這個關稅既是目的也是手段他當然希望能夠平衡關稅可是他也希望用這個做槓桿那他要的是什麼那我們怎麼樣不會陷入被動而是我們藉由他要的去達到我們要的這也就是為什麼我們要組成台灣投資美國隊\n那同時我們也期待美國投資台灣隊所以我剛剛在委員問題裡面有提到說我們不只是台美我們到第三國瓜地馬拉也好菲律賓也好都可以一起去投資強化台美經貿的合作跟我們的韌性\n所以簡單的講就是說我們就是看美國他需要什麼那我們針對他的問題然後我們跟他去做這方面就是主軸我們就是先拉出來他要的是什麼我們能夠提供後續能夠提供什麼嗎那再來還有一點我想我們始終還是要坐上這個談判桌剛剛部長你有提到的所謂的零關稅像越南他一開始就提出說OK他們就要從零關稅開始談我們的總統也提到說我們要從零關稅開始談\n那當然這個部分我們還是必須要回到之前我們跟拜登政府所簽訂的台美21世紀貿易倡議這個部分那這部分在去年底的時候已經生效了那現在好了第一階段對第一階段去年生效是沒錯那當初我們跟台美希望說利用這個堆積木的方式來堆疊那希望成為未來FTA的一個基礎吧我們本來想說用這樣子的方式那現在會不會就是因為這一波高額關稅的這個談判我們直接把這個過程給拿掉了\n那直接進入它用這個FTA的模式來談會嗎這個部分可能待會請這個委員問一個很重要的問題啦因為這個台美21季貿易倡議是拜登政府提出以後會用這個名稱我們不確定但第一階段12項裡面的5項已經達成也會執行那這個是屬於非跟這是非關稅的一些我們怎麼去做貿易啊的一個這個台美的一個合作\n那這些項目其實在我們推動的時候就幫助我們其實今天我們為什麼準備那麼快跟當時的這個台美21世紀貿易倡議的談判我們台灣已經做很多條式所以就不會從零開始所以我想前面的這個堆積木是有一定效果可是川普比較像是他比較是想要建立一個模他是目標先講出來你要答應一起來做\n然後再慢慢去蓋所以我覺得每一個人的領導風格不一樣所以我們要了解這個川普總統有他作為一個我想他是一個談判高手我們怎麼樣跟他對上我常常講說對齊對接到對應那最好是我們能夠對等的雙贏\n台灣不要只是為了被迫回應我們一直在回應中去掌握我們這個主動然後我們要達到的我們的國家目標然後甚至路徑圖我們也告訴他們了所以那個總統所提到的五項或是你看對應這個川普政府裡面的這些經濟的官員\n他都列得很清楚怎麼樣會對等貿易有貢獻的項目是什麼那我們有沒有去一一去救那些項目我們看怎麼去努力那這需要台美一起努力不是只有台灣不是我們這樣而已事實上我們台美關稅的這個順差並不是很大\n他是用這一個所謂貿易逆差作為一個類似來談判的籌碼的時候那我們就是要先上談判桌你沒有上談判桌的話你再多的準備都沒有用那我們現在有一個第一步我們建立了一個溝通管道那也列入他談判的對象那我們就把我們的內容談判所有的give and take所有的這一些互相的策略的互動我們要把它一一的提出來那跟他能夠得到互惠雙贏的結果\n林副長說得很好 我想那個經貿辦是不是要補充 你需要補充的部分嗎\n我簡單補充一下就是針對這個台美21世紀貿易倡議他理論上因為美國川普總統有說有說明對於他現在的所有FTA或雙邊協定他們會去檢視未來要持續推動的可能性以及如何去強化那目前他沒有還沒有提到我們台美這個倡議他要如何處理但是從我們經貿辦的角度我們會努力去推動希望可以朝向未來如果要進行具體協商的話那我想\n台美21世紀倡議我們現在委員這邊所列出來的這些貿易便捷化服務業國內規章反貪腐良好法制作業確實都是美國這一次在認定對等關稅它去所謂非關稅貿易障礙它去評估的來源所以我們有台美這絕對都是基礎對 所以它創造了很好的基礎所以我們會用這個去跟美國進一步的爭取OK 好 以上謝謝謝謝羅敏林委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.882 --> 00:11.246\n謝謝主席有請林佳龍部長還有經貿辦\n\n00:23.391 --> 00:39.856\n部長早安今天凌晨確實是一個非常戲劇性又非常驚爆的一個大轉彎我看到美股大漲那台股一開盤就狂漲媒體用這個滿血復活來形容我們今天的這個台股\n\n00:40.876 --> 00:54.425\n那美國除了對中國呢的進口關稅提高到125%那其他的而且是馬上生效那其他75個國家呢就你有去跟美國聯繫的你有去談的你沒有採取報復行動的其實呢他就\n\n00:58.247 --> 01:16.703\n維持這個10%甚至給你三個月的這個緩衝的這個時間那當然一開始今天我們的定語委員有在提到就是說我們到底有沒有在這75個國家裡面可是我今天有看到林部長你有提到說其實我們都已經有掛號進去了所以也就表示說其實我們就是在這75個國家裡面而且我們就是維持這10%而且我們三個月的這個緩衝期嘛是不是這樣子\n\n01:24.370 --> 01:46.531\n對所以這是非常非常明確的那當然我們也看到就是在一天昨天一天之內我們看到了美國祭出了同時祭出了這個棍子跟這個胡蘿蔔那當然我們也看到了它的這個針對性所以說它想要這個除了這個貿易逆差之外想它對這個中國的這個針對性是非常非常的強的\n\n01:47.512 --> 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