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三) 本院委員林思銘等20 人擬具「納稅者權利保護法第七條及第二十一條條文修正草\n案」案、( 四) 本院委員林思銘等18 人擬具「納稅者權利保護法第二十一條條文修正草案」案；\n三、審查「加值型及非加值型營業稅法」 8 案： ( 一 ) 本院委員鍾佳濱等 18 人、委員鍾佳濱等 23\n人、委員郭國文等17人分別擬具「加值型及非加值型營業稅法部分條文修正草案」等 3案、(二)\n本院委員陳超明等18人、委員邱志偉等16人分別擬具「加值型及非加值型營業稅法第八條條文修\n正草案」等2案、(三)本院委員賴士葆等25人、委員顏寬恒等16人分別擬具「加值型及非加值型\n營業稅法第十三條條文修正草案」等2案、(四)本院委員賴士葆等22人擬具「加值型及非加值型\n營業稅法第五十八條條文修正草案」案","agenda_id":"1143601_00006"}}}