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00:02:11,634\n現在針對這個部分表示說我們對於美出口的增加應該不會影響太大但是這可能是不是也相對的就對於我們國內的消費市場的衝擊大概會有多大不過這個以現在關稅10%因為我們過去美國大概平均是對農產品是5%所以相對它也是有提高了但是這個提高在業者的角度來講還是可以做一些接受而且我們的支持的方案不會說\n\n7\n00:02:12,774 --> 00:02:37,928\n三十二才處理十就不處理我們還是會有一些因為剛剛部長提出了一些建議的方案嘛可是因為農產品跟漁產品跟其他產品最大的不同就是它沒有辦法說不種就不種說不養就不養所以它必須要有一個這個養殖期所以在面對川普政府他這樣反覆無常的一個政策之下就是農業部有沒有用什麼樣的方案來去提醒我們的這些農漁民\n\n8\n00:02:38,968 --> 00:03:06,386\n我想最重要像特別我舉個例子特別昨天在吳國瑜的這些座談裡面一個非常重要的就是我們一定要持續的將產品拉出去前端的放養才會繼續走不然你如果說因為光望訂單停了以後後面的放養就可能會光望會造成就算以後恢復了以後你前端沒有餘的所以我們會去強化所謂的國外的這些獎勵也好或是行銷包括其他的高端市場的行銷這個部分我們會積極去做\n\n9\n00:03:07,987 --> 00:03:30,381\n那像台湾雕的业者很担心这个中国大陆或巴西洗产地这样的一个问题,那农业部有什么因应的?我想洗产地当然我们会加强茶气,但是有一个比较特殊的就是我们的台湾雕跟中国的台湾雕是不同品系的,所以我们在技术上也可以做区分,所以后续我们在整个的一个产业的流程里面,我们会用溯源的方式,\n\n10\n00:03:31,301 --> 00:03:46,008\n包括前端場域的放養量的申報跟他要去出口的時候去做相關的溯源那這樣的話就避免他透過國內的業者去做棲產地所以針對這個部分的話我想這個農漁民都是說實在相對弱勢所以面對這樣的一個衝擊很需要農業部還有我們全民做他們的後盾我們再看一下就是根據2024年的統計的數據來看我們的\n\n11\n00:03:55,773 --> 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