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00:00:08,968\n謝主席請鄭部長有請鄭部長委員好部長好部長教育部要將SEL社會情緒學習納入課綱本席在這邊要先肯認教育部的做法因為本席在本屆的第二個會期第四次會議就是去年的10月16號質詢也很明確的有建議過教育部應該將\n\n2\n00:00:34,682 --> 00:00:49,768\n社會情緒學習納入課綱所以在這邊要先謝謝教育部願意採納本席及各界的建議讓我們孩子可以全面認識並學習處理自己的情緒在教育部我們要展開社會學習\n\n3\n00:00:51,609 --> 00:01:14,496\n學習成長的中長期計畫第一期第五年的計畫要展開的時候我想請教部長我們這個社會情緒學習的教材什麼時候可以提供給教學現場的老師那我們針對整個SEL的相關教程有沒有規劃教師的徵能的課程這個部分是不是部長你這邊先說一下你們大概有怎樣的期程跟計畫\n\n4\n00:01:15,595 --> 00:01:43,729\n跟委員報告我們大概今年年底之前會所有這個SEL的教學模組會出來然後我們老師也會徵人也跟委員報告感謝委員的一個關心現在全國有部分的縣市事實上也對把這個SEL當作一個特色然後學校也逐步的結合這個SEL的一些民間的一些團體然後開始對老師做一些徵人他們就是希望真正的預防\n\n5\n00:01:45,605 --> 00:01:54,692\n讓身體健康更好而不是等到校園發生霸凌所以這一個部分我們一直有序的按照這個計畫來推動教育部竟然這邊已經有規劃你是不是將後續推動的計畫資料提供給本席辦公室那接下來我要請教部長您在日前的全國大專校院校長會議裡面有宣布禁止國內大學與隸屬中國統戰部的學校合作或交流\n\n6\n00:02:13,567 --> 00:02:33,200\n這包括了廣州的晉南大學、福建的華僑大學以及北京的華文學院而且未來也將不裁認這三所學校的學歷那根據教育部這邊的統計資料顯示目前在這三所就讀的台生大概有2100多人那請問目前有沒有接到學生尋求轉學的相關的協助\n\n7\n00:02:38,038 --> 00:02:57,898\n報告委員那目前我們是有委託中興大學這邊來成立相關的網站提供學生轉學銜接的一個相關資訊那我們都有在這個網站上去揭露說各校可以協助的一個相關資訊所以已經有把這樣的訊息提供學生讓他們可以如果需要的時候可以來尋求這些相關的協助\n\n8\n00:02:58,539 --> 00:03:13,988\n那在之後教育部有公布有七所在中國軍工大學也列入禁止交流的學校我想請教部長這七所大學除了禁止交流之外學歷是不是也不再採任\n\n9\n00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:38,602\n目前我們這七所是禁止交流那學歷上當然我們並沒有規範目前沒有目前沒有規範本席可以理解其實我們中國這樣對我們的敵意對我們台灣這樣虎視眈眈那也將具有高度的軍方色彩的學校列為禁止交流的大學民眾是可以接受的\n\n10\n00:03:38,982 --> 00:04:08,201\n但是禁止交流的界限在哪裡我相信教育部這邊也應該要有一個明確的指引讓我們的相關的單位相關的學生來依循那教育部後續你們也拋出了中小學應該避免兩岸交流那中小學的這個交流跟大學這個樣態應該是不太一樣那教育部是不是應該針對各級的學校訂定明確的指引來跟各學校參考你們這邊有沒有初步的說明\n\n11\n00:04:09,548 --> 00:04:26,795\n我想我們確實在這個部分也這一個含令這個各學校在未來的一個交流應該要瞭解等於說把風險考慮進去而且所有的交流必須要在這一個交流的平台裡面來登錄因為我們看到最近確實在對岸裡面\n\n12\n00:04:30,737 --> 00:04:55,383\n他這一個許多的一些交流不管民間或者學校非常積極完全是百分之百的一個早期還有落地招待現在是連飛機票都提供我想當他在積極從事這樣的一個兩岸的一些交流我們希望能夠提醒中小學不管老師教育人員或者學生家長都能夠理解到\n\n13\n00:04:56,583 --> 00:04:59,265\n所以本席在這邊會希望說我們教育部應該定定明確的指引我們要給他們一個範圍在怎樣的框架裡面在怎樣的範圍裡面才不會觸及就是相關的這些國安的這些會有侵犯到國安的這些疑慮的話我們應該給他們一個比較明確的參考\n\n14\n00:05:17,717 --> 00:05:21,220\n那陸委會這邊有指出中國統戰的對象其實有從大學向下扎根這個趨勢有些是透過中小學的體育活動來統戰上次本席在質詢張耀次長的時候有提到桃園有一位校長同時也是足協的理事\n\n15\n00:05:34,051 --> 00:05:50,955\n那他在抖音上也主張說兩岸統一的言論也引起了很大的爭議所以我希望教育部跟陸委會應該跨部會來合作我們要很謹慎的嚴防並這些相關統戰的活動在不知不覺滲透到我們的下一代而最近剛好就有傳出相關統戰進入校園的氣勢就像校長剛剛講的日前傳出有清大教授帶將近30名的學生到天津參訪\n\n16\n00:05:56,897 --> 00:06:13,100\n五天四夜只收機票錢時數全包也被懷疑這是統戰團所以我相信教育部應該有了解這些事情我也想知道說你們有沒有深入去了解實際的狀況他只繳機票錢那時數的部分會不會就是對岸就是中國這邊相關的單位來支付他們這個是不是打著交流參訪的這個研討的名義其實實行這個統戰滲透的這個作為呢部長您說\n\n17\n00:06:26,662 --> 00:06:51,341\n是我想清大是一個非常品牌非常好的一個學校在人才培育老師怎麼樣去謹守分際初步我們事實上是教育部是有一些去了解去調查也就是說老師所提的這個申請有請假這個學術交流但是看起來所填的跟他實際所帶學生包含高中的學生去交流好像在\n\n18\n00:06:52,202 --> 00:07:03,732\n跟他所提的這些請假的一個理由似乎還是存有一些落差所以我們有一個明確的指引明確的規範我想這是很重要的再來我要再向您請教蘭花是我國很重要的外鄉農產品那在南部的這個重點實驗室也有傳出有教授\n\n19\n00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:22,364\n把自己降格為共同通訊作者並且在通訊地址上寫出中國台南甚至讓這個整體研究變成中國擁有而且還共享整體蘭科植物及蝴蝶蘭的基因體資料部長這個事情這個事情教育部你們有沒有跟農業部來了解\n\n20\n00:07:32,588 --> 00:07:46,533\n就針對這個教授共享資料庫導致我國的這個藍花基因體資料外洩有沒有懲處因為他這個不管是在道德上學論上都是有爭議的這個是根本就是打著學術研究之名來行這個票竊竊取技術知識啊\n\n21\n00:07:52,588 --> 00:07:57,389\n我想這一個部分這個矮化台灣矮化國格這一個學術研究的發表我想這我們會事後來瞭解也就是說這不應該有這樣的違反不只是矮化台灣國格另外屬於機敏這個技術這一個部分我想我們都會一併來深入的來調查\n\n22\n00:08:17,513 --> 00:08:41,247\n這個共享資料庫這個部分我也希望說我剛剛提到的是不是他找的學術研究之名來讓這些相關的核心的技術被這樣子竊取了這個部分我希望你們一定要對這個事情好好的了解而且我會希望說這個要有懲處作為因為其實中國對我們的滲透不管是在各層面各方面尤其是學術上的影響我相信\n\n23\n00:08:43,088 --> 00:09:01,530\n各界都非常的擔心所以我希望教育部跟陸委會必須盡速的研擬相關的這些規範及措施而且更要有這個懲處的作為來保障我國學術研發成果以及慎防中國的滲透這個部分是不是你們會後再把你們相關的這些資料提供給我辦公室\n\n24\n00:09:03,132 --> 00:09:05,153\n那接下來我想請教部長有關於學生被詐團利用成車手的這個狀況根據112年就有媒體報導說未成年詐欺嫌疑犯的數量是連5年增加而且根據警政署的這個警政統計網顯示111年到113年12歲\n\n25\n00:09:24,500 --> 00:09:29,862\n到23歲詐欺嫌疑犯的人數是連年增加113年的人數相較起來比112年增加了52%以及25%部長我想這是一個老問題但是是一個越來越嚴重的老問題\n\n26\n00:09:41,127 --> 00:10:08,685\n當我們整體的詐欺嫌疑犯人數是下降的但是青少年的嫌疑犯數量卻是增加的時候我們可以怎麼辦我們該怎麼辦我這邊舉個例子給部長知道這個狀況有多嚴重多誇張喔就有個國中生喔他是因為隔壁班的學生告訴他說有個好工作只要去拿錢就好而且他自己本身已經做了一個多月都沒事拿十萬塊可以拿到他去拿十萬塊可以得到五百元當酬勞\n\n27\n00:10:10,166 --> 00:10:24,760\n我們的孩子這麼小就被培養成小車手頭那這種詐騙集團滲透校園讓我們不僅無力抓住這些孩子也無力辨識這些曝險少年校園竟然是成為了車手工藝站嗎而且\n\n28\n00:10:26,501 --> 00:10:47,128\n我們的孩子他們可能都會被未成年你不會有罪這樣錯誤的這些觀念誘導跟誤導所以這邊我想要求我們教育部這邊應該要加強法治教育讓我們的孩子知道說不是你未成年無罪你就可以去做這樣的事情第二個是針對負險少年應該加強宣導並予以支持及早對這些誤入歧途的孩子我們去及早發現他能夠\n\n29\n00:10:56,252 --> 00:11:19,168\n幫他導入他正途第三個我會希望說針對弱勢等高風險的家庭是否會有比較高的機率來從事車手這個狀況呢其實教育部這邊應該跟警政社福單位來連鎖接住這些孩子尤其是有些孩子像他餐費啊學費啊還是其他相關的費用會有持腳或者沒有辦法繳交的這樣的狀況的家庭的孩子\n\n30\n00:11:21,189 --> 00:11:42,946\n是不是應該多給他們比較高的關懷而且必須要及早介入這個部分其實部長您回答一下謝謝委員提醒我想確實一些犯罪集團、詐團他大概對青少年特別這個年級越小的他可能他認為就有更多的一些能夠\n\n31\n00:11:45,067 --> 00:12:06,805\n讓他的企圖能夠得逞那我想委員剛才特別提的怎麼樣讓這個青少年中小學能夠加強法治教育然後也能夠適度去關心學校能夠適度關心學生的一些經濟狀況跟許多的可能的一些給予一些必要的協助我想這我們跟地方政府還有警政署來共同來合作\n\n32\n00:12:07,486 --> 00:12:14,531\n跨部會的來配合其實校園現在挑戰很多啦我們不僅是要防堵中國的統戰滲透我們要杜絕詐騙、毒品黑道等等這些進入校園都是我們必須要去防範的但是我是覺得說我們市詐、主詐的這個宣導都做了\n\n33\n00:12:25,359 --> 00:12:45,379\n那對於我們青少年這些相關的法治概念法治教育還是要落實要到位讓他們真正的去清楚到做這樣的事情他的錯誤在哪裡所以這個部分我也希望說後續你們相關的有這些你們要怎麼做又怎麼規劃也可以提供一份資料給我辦公室\n\n34\n00:12:46,800 --> 00:13:05,286\n我都會建議我們也許對未來的這個這個所謂的犯罪集團、詐團這些都應該只要能夠查到源頭應該都要加倍來這個懲罰或者一些刑責上的一些罪行這也是民眾都這樣子認同的好謝謝部長謝謝主席好謝謝陳秀寶委員請部長先回位\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6246\t8968\t謝主席 請鄭部長有請鄭部長委員好部長好 部長教育部要將SEL社會情緒學習納入課綱本席在這邊要先肯認教育部的做法因為本席在本屆的第二個會期第四次會議就是去年的10月16號質詢也很明確的有建議過教育部應該將\n34682\t49768\t社會情緒學習納入課綱所以在這邊要先謝謝教育部願意採納本席及各界的建議讓我們孩子可以全面認識並學習處理自己的情緒在教育部我們要展開社會學習\n51609\t74496\t學習成長的中長期計畫第一期第五年的計畫要展開的時候我想請教部長我們這個社會情緒學習的教材什麼時候可以提供給教學現場的老師那我們針對整個SEL的相關教程有沒有規劃教師的徵能的課程這個部分是不是部長你這邊先說一下你們大概有怎樣的期程跟計畫\n75595\t103729\t跟委員報告我們大概今年年底之前會所有這個SEL的教學模組會出來然後我們老師也會徵人也跟委員報告感謝委員的一個關心現在全國有部分的縣市事實上也對把這個SEL當作一個特色然後學校也逐步的結合這個SEL的一些民間的一些團體然後開始對老師做一些徵人他們就是希望真正的預防\n105605\t114692\t讓身體健康更好而不是等到校園發生霸凌所以這一個部分我們一直有序的按照這個計畫來推動教育部竟然這邊已經有規劃你是不是將後續推動的計畫資料提供給本席辦公室那接下來我要請教部長您在日前的全國大專校院校長會議裡面有宣布禁止國內大學與隸屬中國統戰部的學校合作或交流\n133567\t153200\t這包括了廣州的晉南大學、福建的華僑大學以及北京的華文學院而且未來也將不裁認這三所學校的學歷那根據教育部這邊的統計資料顯示目前在這三所就讀的台生大概有2100多人那請問目前有沒有接到學生尋求轉學的相關的協助\n158038\t177898\t報告委員 那目前我們是有委託中興大學這邊來成立相關的網站提供學生轉學銜接的一個相關資訊那我們都有在這個網站上去揭露說各校可以協助的一個相關資訊所以已經有把這樣的訊息提供學生讓他們可以如果需要的時候可以來尋求這些相關的協助\n178539\t193988\t那在之後教育部有公布有七所在中國軍工大學也列入禁止交流的學校我想請教部長這七所大學除了禁止交流之外學歷是不是也不再採任\n195800\t218602\t目前我們這七所是禁止交流那學歷上當然我們並沒有規範目前沒有目前沒有規範本席可以理解其實我們中國這樣對我們的敵意對我們台灣這樣虎視眈眈那也將具有高度的軍方色彩的學校列為禁止交流的大學民眾是可以接受的\n218982\t248201\t但是禁止交流的界限在哪裡我相信教育部這邊也應該要有一個明確的指引讓我們的相關的單位相關的學生來依循那教育部後續你們也拋出了中小學應該避免兩岸交流那中小學的這個交流跟大學這個樣態應該是不太一樣那教育部是不是應該針對各級的學校訂定明確的指引來跟各學校參考你們這邊有沒有初步的說明\n249548\t266795\t我想我們確實在這個部分也這一個含令這個各學校在未來的一個交流應該要瞭解等於說把風險考慮進去而且所有的交流必須要在這一個交流的平台裡面來登錄因為我們看到最近確實在對岸裡面\n270737\t295383\t他這一個許多的一些交流不管民間或者學校非常積極完全是百分之百的一個早期還有落地招待現在是連飛機票都提供我想當他在積極從事這樣的一個兩岸的一些交流我們希望能夠提醒中小學不管老師教育人員或者學生家長都能夠理解到\n296583\t299265\t所以本席在這邊會希望說我們教育部應該定定明確的指引我們要給他們一個範圍在怎樣的框架裡面在怎樣的範圍裡面才不會觸及就是相關的這些國安的這些會有侵犯到國安的這些疑慮的話我們應該給他們一個比較明確的參考\n317717\t321220\t那陸委會這邊有指出中國統戰的對象其實有從大學向下扎根這個趨勢有些是透過中小學的體育活動來統戰上次本席在質詢張耀次長的時候有提到桃園有一位校長同時也是足協的理事\n334051\t350955\t那他在抖音上也主張說兩岸統一的言論也引起了很大的爭議所以我希望教育部跟陸委會應該跨部會來合作我們要很謹慎的嚴防並這些相關統戰的活動在不知不覺滲透到我們的下一代而最近剛好就有傳出相關統戰進入校園的氣勢就像校長剛剛講的日前傳出有清大教授帶將近30名的學生到天津參訪\n356897\t373100\t五天四夜只收機票錢時數全包也被懷疑這是統戰團所以我相信教育部應該有了解這些事情我也想知道說你們有沒有深入去了解實際的狀況他只繳機票錢那時數的部分會不會就是對岸就是中國這邊相關的單位來支付他們這個是不是打著交流參訪的這個研討的名義其實實行這個統戰滲透的這個作為呢部長您說\n386662\t411341\t是我想清大是一個非常品牌非常好的一個學校在人才培育老師怎麼樣去謹守分際初步我們事實上是教育部是有一些去了解去調查也就是說老師所提的這個申請有請假這個學術交流但是看起來所填的跟他實際所帶學生包含高中的學生去交流好像在\n412202\t423732\t跟他所提的這些請假的一個理由似乎還是存有一些落差所以我們有一個明確的指引明確的規範我想這是很重要的再來我要再向您請教蘭花是我國很重要的外鄉農產品那在南部的這個重點實驗室也有傳出有教授\n432680\t442364\t把自己降格為共同通訊作者並且在通訊地址上寫出中國台南甚至讓這個整體研究變成中國擁有而且還共享整體蘭科植物及蝴蝶蘭的基因體資料部長這個事情這個事情教育部你們有沒有跟農業部來了解\n452588\t466533\t就針對這個教授共享資料庫導致我國的這個藍花基因體資料外洩有沒有懲處因為他這個不管是在道德上學論上都是有爭議的這個是根本就是打著學術研究之名來行這個票竊竊取技術知識啊\n472588\t477389\t我想這一個部分這個矮化台灣 矮化國格這一個學術研究的發表我想這我們會事後來瞭解也就是說這不應該有這樣的違反不只是矮化台灣國格另外屬於機敏這個技術這一個部分我想我們都會一併來深入的來調查\n497513\t521247\t這個共享資料庫這個部分我也希望說我剛剛提到的是不是他找的學術研究之名來讓這些相關的核心的技術被這樣子竊取了這個部分我希望你們一定要對這個事情好好的了解而且我會希望說這個要有懲處作為因為其實中國對我們的滲透不管是在各層面各方面尤其是學術上的影響我相信\n523088\t541530\t各界都非常的擔心所以我希望教育部跟陸委會必須盡速的研擬相關的這些規範及措施而且更要有這個懲處的作為來保障我國學術研發成果以及慎防中國的滲透這個部分是不是你們會後再把你們相關的這些資料提供給我辦公室\n543132\t545153\t那接下來我想請教部長有關於學生被詐團利用成車手的這個狀況根據112年就有媒體報導說未成年詐欺嫌疑犯的數量是連5年增加而且根據警政署的這個警政統計網顯示111年到113年12歲\n564500\t569862\t到23歲詐欺嫌疑犯的人數是連年增加113年的人數相較起來比112年增加了52%以及25%部長我想這是一個老問題但是是一個越來越嚴重的老問題\n581127\t608685\t當我們整體的詐欺嫌疑犯人數是下降的但是青少年的嫌疑犯數量卻是增加的時候我們可以怎麼辦我們該怎麼辦我這邊舉個例子給部長知道這個狀況有多嚴重多誇張喔就有個國中生喔他是因為隔壁班的學生告訴他說有個好工作只要去拿錢就好而且他自己本身已經做了一個多月都沒事拿十萬塊可以拿到他去拿十萬塊可以得到五百元當酬勞\n610166\t624760\t我們的孩子這麼小就被培養成小車手頭那這種詐騙集團滲透校園讓我們不僅無力抓住這些孩子也無力辨識這些曝險少年校園竟然是成為了車手工藝站嗎而且\n626501\t647128\t我們的孩子他們可能都會被未成年你不會有罪這樣錯誤的這些觀念誘導跟誤導所以這邊我想要求我們教育部這邊應該要加強法治教育讓我們的孩子知道說不是你未成年無罪你就可以去做這樣的事情第二個是針對負險少年應該加強宣導並予以支持及早對這些誤入歧途的孩子我們去及早發現他能夠\n656252\t679168\t幫他導入他正途第三個我會希望說針對弱勢等高風險的家庭是否會有比較高的機率來從事車手這個狀況呢其實教育部這邊應該跟警政社福單位來連鎖接住這些孩子尤其是有些孩子像他餐費啊學費啊還是其他相關的費用會有持腳或者沒有辦法繳交的這樣的狀況的家庭的孩子\n681189\t702946\t是不是應該多給他們比較高的關懷而且必須要及早介入這個部分其實部長您回答一下謝謝委員提醒我想確實一些犯罪集團、詐團他大概對青少年特別這個年級越小的他可能他認為就有更多的一些能夠\n705067\t726805\t讓他的企圖能夠得逞那我想委員剛才特別提的怎麼樣讓這個青少年中小學能夠加強法治教育然後也能夠適度去關心學校能夠適度關心學生的一些經濟狀況跟許多的可能的一些給予一些必要的協助我想這我們跟地方政府還有警政署來共同來合作\n727486\t734531\t跨部會的來配合其實校園現在挑戰很多啦我們不僅是要防堵中國的統戰滲透我們要杜絕詐騙、毒品黑道等等這些進入校園都是我們必須要去防範的但是我是覺得說我們市詐、主詐的這個宣導都做了\n745359\t765379\t那對於我們青少年這些相關的法治概念法治教育還是要落實要到位讓他們真正的去清楚到做這樣的事情他的錯誤在哪裡所以這個部分我也希望說後續你們相關的有這些你們要怎麼做又怎麼規劃也可以提供一份資料給我辦公室\n766800\t785286\t我都會建議我們也許對未來的這個這個所謂的犯罪集團、詐團這些都應該只要能夠查到源頭應該都要加倍來這個懲罰或者一些刑責上的一些罪行這也是民眾都這樣子認同的好 謝謝部長 謝謝主席好 謝謝陳秀寶委員請部長先回位\n","txt":"謝主席 請鄭部長有請鄭部長委員好部長好 部長教育部要將SEL社會情緒學習納入課綱本席在這邊要先肯認教育部的做法因為本席在本屆的第二個會期第四次會議就是去年的10月16號質詢也很明確的有建議過教育部應該將\n社會情緒學習納入課綱所以在這邊要先謝謝教育部願意採納本席及各界的建議讓我們孩子可以全面認識並學習處理自己的情緒在教育部我們要展開社會學習\n學習成長的中長期計畫第一期第五年的計畫要展開的時候我想請教部長我們這個社會情緒學習的教材什麼時候可以提供給教學現場的老師那我們針對整個SEL的相關教程有沒有規劃教師的徵能的課程這個部分是不是部長你這邊先說一下你們大概有怎樣的期程跟計畫\n跟委員報告我們大概今年年底之前會所有這個SEL的教學模組會出來然後我們老師也會徵人也跟委員報告感謝委員的一個關心現在全國有部分的縣市事實上也對把這個SEL當作一個特色然後學校也逐步的結合這個SEL的一些民間的一些團體然後開始對老師做一些徵人他們就是希望真正的預防\n讓身體健康更好而不是等到校園發生霸凌所以這一個部分我們一直有序的按照這個計畫來推動教育部竟然這邊已經有規劃你是不是將後續推動的計畫資料提供給本席辦公室那接下來我要請教部長您在日前的全國大專校院校長會議裡面有宣布禁止國內大學與隸屬中國統戰部的學校合作或交流\n這包括了廣州的晉南大學、福建的華僑大學以及北京的華文學院而且未來也將不裁認這三所學校的學歷那根據教育部這邊的統計資料顯示目前在這三所就讀的台生大概有2100多人那請問目前有沒有接到學生尋求轉學的相關的協助\n報告委員 那目前我們是有委託中興大學這邊來成立相關的網站提供學生轉學銜接的一個相關資訊那我們都有在這個網站上去揭露說各校可以協助的一個相關資訊所以已經有把這樣的訊息提供學生讓他們可以如果需要的時候可以來尋求這些相關的協助\n那在之後教育部有公布有七所在中國軍工大學也列入禁止交流的學校我想請教部長這七所大學除了禁止交流之外學歷是不是也不再採任\n目前我們這七所是禁止交流那學歷上當然我們並沒有規範目前沒有目前沒有規範本席可以理解其實我們中國這樣對我們的敵意對我們台灣這樣虎視眈眈那也將具有高度的軍方色彩的學校列為禁止交流的大學民眾是可以接受的\n但是禁止交流的界限在哪裡我相信教育部這邊也應該要有一個明確的指引讓我們的相關的單位相關的學生來依循那教育部後續你們也拋出了中小學應該避免兩岸交流那中小學的這個交流跟大學這個樣態應該是不太一樣那教育部是不是應該針對各級的學校訂定明確的指引來跟各學校參考你們這邊有沒有初步的說明\n我想我們確實在這個部分也這一個含令這個各學校在未來的一個交流應該要瞭解等於說把風險考慮進去而且所有的交流必須要在這一個交流的平台裡面來登錄因為我們看到最近確實在對岸裡面\n他這一個許多的一些交流不管民間或者學校非常積極完全是百分之百的一個早期還有落地招待現在是連飛機票都提供我想當他在積極從事這樣的一個兩岸的一些交流我們希望能夠提醒中小學不管老師教育人員或者學生家長都能夠理解到\n所以本席在這邊會希望說我們教育部應該定定明確的指引我們要給他們一個範圍在怎樣的框架裡面在怎樣的範圍裡面才不會觸及就是相關的這些國安的這些會有侵犯到國安的這些疑慮的話我們應該給他們一個比較明確的參考\n那陸委會這邊有指出中國統戰的對象其實有從大學向下扎根這個趨勢有些是透過中小學的體育活動來統戰上次本席在質詢張耀次長的時候有提到桃園有一位校長同時也是足協的理事\n那他在抖音上也主張說兩岸統一的言論也引起了很大的爭議所以我希望教育部跟陸委會應該跨部會來合作我們要很謹慎的嚴防並這些相關統戰的活動在不知不覺滲透到我們的下一代而最近剛好就有傳出相關統戰進入校園的氣勢就像校長剛剛講的日前傳出有清大教授帶將近30名的學生到天津參訪\n五天四夜只收機票錢時數全包也被懷疑這是統戰團所以我相信教育部應該有了解這些事情我也想知道說你們有沒有深入去了解實際的狀況他只繳機票錢那時數的部分會不會就是對岸就是中國這邊相關的單位來支付他們這個是不是打著交流參訪的這個研討的名義其實實行這個統戰滲透的這個作為呢部長您說\n是我想清大是一個非常品牌非常好的一個學校在人才培育老師怎麼樣去謹守分際初步我們事實上是教育部是有一些去了解去調查也就是說老師所提的這個申請有請假這個學術交流但是看起來所填的跟他實際所帶學生包含高中的學生去交流好像在\n跟他所提的這些請假的一個理由似乎還是存有一些落差所以我們有一個明確的指引明確的規範我想這是很重要的再來我要再向您請教蘭花是我國很重要的外鄉農產品那在南部的這個重點實驗室也有傳出有教授\n把自己降格為共同通訊作者並且在通訊地址上寫出中國台南甚至讓這個整體研究變成中國擁有而且還共享整體蘭科植物及蝴蝶蘭的基因體資料部長這個事情這個事情教育部你們有沒有跟農業部來了解\n就針對這個教授共享資料庫導致我國的這個藍花基因體資料外洩有沒有懲處因為他這個不管是在道德上學論上都是有爭議的這個是根本就是打著學術研究之名來行這個票竊竊取技術知識啊\n我想這一個部分這個矮化台灣 矮化國格這一個學術研究的發表我想這我們會事後來瞭解也就是說這不應該有這樣的違反不只是矮化台灣國格另外屬於機敏這個技術這一個部分我想我們都會一併來深入的來調查\n這個共享資料庫這個部分我也希望說我剛剛提到的是不是他找的學術研究之名來讓這些相關的核心的技術被這樣子竊取了這個部分我希望你們一定要對這個事情好好的了解而且我會希望說這個要有懲處作為因為其實中國對我們的滲透不管是在各層面各方面尤其是學術上的影響我相信\n各界都非常的擔心所以我希望教育部跟陸委會必須盡速的研擬相關的這些規範及措施而且更要有這個懲處的作為來保障我國學術研發成果以及慎防中國的滲透這個部分是不是你們會後再把你們相關的這些資料提供給我辦公室\n那接下來我想請教部長有關於學生被詐團利用成車手的這個狀況根據112年就有媒體報導說未成年詐欺嫌疑犯的數量是連5年增加而且根據警政署的這個警政統計網顯示111年到113年12歲\n到23歲詐欺嫌疑犯的人數是連年增加113年的人數相較起來比112年增加了52%以及25%部長我想這是一個老問題但是是一個越來越嚴重的老問題\n當我們整體的詐欺嫌疑犯人數是下降的但是青少年的嫌疑犯數量卻是增加的時候我們可以怎麼辦我們該怎麼辦我這邊舉個例子給部長知道這個狀況有多嚴重多誇張喔就有個國中生喔他是因為隔壁班的學生告訴他說有個好工作只要去拿錢就好而且他自己本身已經做了一個多月都沒事拿十萬塊可以拿到他去拿十萬塊可以得到五百元當酬勞\n我們的孩子這麼小就被培養成小車手頭那這種詐騙集團滲透校園讓我們不僅無力抓住這些孩子也無力辨識這些曝險少年校園竟然是成為了車手工藝站嗎而且\n我們的孩子他們可能都會被未成年你不會有罪這樣錯誤的這些觀念誘導跟誤導所以這邊我想要求我們教育部這邊應該要加強法治教育讓我們的孩子知道說不是你未成年無罪你就可以去做這樣的事情第二個是針對負險少年應該加強宣導並予以支持及早對這些誤入歧途的孩子我們去及早發現他能夠\n幫他導入他正途第三個我會希望說針對弱勢等高風險的家庭是否會有比較高的機率來從事車手這個狀況呢其實教育部這邊應該跟警政社福單位來連鎖接住這些孩子尤其是有些孩子像他餐費啊學費啊還是其他相關的費用會有持腳或者沒有辦法繳交的這樣的狀況的家庭的孩子\n是不是應該多給他們比較高的關懷而且必須要及早介入這個部分其實部長您回答一下謝謝委員提醒我想確實一些犯罪集團、詐團他大概對青少年特別這個年級越小的他可能他認為就有更多的一些能夠\n讓他的企圖能夠得逞那我想委員剛才特別提的怎麼樣讓這個青少年中小學能夠加強法治教育然後也能夠適度去關心學校能夠適度關心學生的一些經濟狀況跟許多的可能的一些給予一些必要的協助我想這我們跟地方政府還有警政署來共同來合作\n跨部會的來配合其實校園現在挑戰很多啦我們不僅是要防堵中國的統戰滲透我們要杜絕詐騙、毒品黑道等等這些進入校園都是我們必須要去防範的但是我是覺得說我們市詐、主詐的這個宣導都做了\n那對於我們青少年這些相關的法治概念法治教育還是要落實要到位讓他們真正的去清楚到做這樣的事情他的錯誤在哪裡所以這個部分我也希望說後續你們相關的有這些你們要怎麼做又怎麼規劃也可以提供一份資料給我辦公室\n我都會建議我們也許對未來的這個這個所謂的犯罪集團、詐團這些都應該只要能夠查到源頭應該都要加倍來這個懲罰或者一些刑責上的一些罪行這也是民眾都這樣子認同的好 謝謝部長 謝謝主席好 謝謝陳秀寶委員請部長先回位\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.246 --> 00:08.968\n謝主席請鄭部長有請鄭部長委員好部長好部長教育部要將SEL社會情緒學習納入課綱本席在這邊要先肯認教育部的做法因為本席在本屆的第二個會期第四次會議就是去年的10月16號質詢也很明確的有建議過教育部應該將\n\n00:34.682 --> 00:49.768\n社會情緒學習納入課綱所以在這邊要先謝謝教育部願意採納本席及各界的建議讓我們孩子可以全面認識並學習處理自己的情緒在教育部我們要展開社會學習\n\n00:51.609 --> 01:14.496\n學習成長的中長期計畫第一期第五年的計畫要展開的時候我想請教部長我們這個社會情緒學習的教材什麼時候可以提供給教學現場的老師那我們針對整個SEL的相關教程有沒有規劃教師的徵能的課程這個部分是不是部長你這邊先說一下你們大概有怎樣的期程跟計畫\n\n01:15.595 --> 01:43.729\n跟委員報告我們大概今年年底之前會所有這個SEL的教學模組會出來然後我們老師也會徵人也跟委員報告感謝委員的一個關心現在全國有部分的縣市事實上也對把這個SEL當作一個特色然後學校也逐步的結合這個SEL的一些民間的一些團體然後開始對老師做一些徵人他們就是希望真正的預防\n\n01:45.605 --> 01:54.692\n讓身體健康更好而不是等到校園發生霸凌所以這一個部分我們一直有序的按照這個計畫來推動教育部竟然這邊已經有規劃你是不是將後續推動的計畫資料提供給本席辦公室那接下來我要請教部長您在日前的全國大專校院校長會議裡面有宣布禁止國內大學與隸屬中國統戰部的學校合作或交流\n\n02:13.567 --> 02:33.200\n這包括了廣州的晉南大學、福建的華僑大學以及北京的華文學院而且未來也將不裁認這三所學校的學歷那根據教育部這邊的統計資料顯示目前在這三所就讀的台生大概有2100多人那請問目前有沒有接到學生尋求轉學的相關的協助\n\n02:38.038 --> 02:57.898\n報告委員那目前我們是有委託中興大學這邊來成立相關的網站提供學生轉學銜接的一個相關資訊那我們都有在這個網站上去揭露說各校可以協助的一個相關資訊所以已經有把這樣的訊息提供學生讓他們可以如果需要的時候可以來尋求這些相關的協助\n\n02:58.539 --> 03:13.988\n那在之後教育部有公布有七所在中國軍工大學也列入禁止交流的學校我想請教部長這七所大學除了禁止交流之外學歷是不是也不再採任\n\n03:15.800 --> 03:38.602\n目前我們這七所是禁止交流那學歷上當然我們並沒有規範目前沒有目前沒有規範本席可以理解其實我們中國這樣對我們的敵意對我們台灣這樣虎視眈眈那也將具有高度的軍方色彩的學校列為禁止交流的大學民眾是可以接受的\n\n03:38.982 --> 04:08.201\n但是禁止交流的界限在哪裡我相信教育部這邊也應該要有一個明確的指引讓我們的相關的單位相關的學生來依循那教育部後續你們也拋出了中小學應該避免兩岸交流那中小學的這個交流跟大學這個樣態應該是不太一樣那教育部是不是應該針對各級的學校訂定明確的指引來跟各學校參考你們這邊有沒有初步的說明\n\n04:09.548 --> 04:26.795\n我想我們確實在這個部分也這一個含令這個各學校在未來的一個交流應該要瞭解等於說把風險考慮進去而且所有的交流必須要在這一個交流的平台裡面來登錄因為我們看到最近確實在對岸裡面\n\n04:30.737 --> 04:55.383\n他這一個許多的一些交流不管民間或者學校非常積極完全是百分之百的一個早期還有落地招待現在是連飛機票都提供我想當他在積極從事這樣的一個兩岸的一些交流我們希望能夠提醒中小學不管老師教育人員或者學生家長都能夠理解到\n\n04:56.583 --> 04:59.265\n所以本席在這邊會希望說我們教育部應該定定明確的指引我們要給他們一個範圍在怎樣的框架裡面在怎樣的範圍裡面才不會觸及就是相關的這些國安的這些會有侵犯到國安的這些疑慮的話我們應該給他們一個比較明確的參考\n\n05:17.717 --> 05:21.220\n那陸委會這邊有指出中國統戰的對象其實有從大學向下扎根這個趨勢有些是透過中小學的體育活動來統戰上次本席在質詢張耀次長的時候有提到桃園有一位校長同時也是足協的理事\n\n05:34.051 --> 05:50.955\n那他在抖音上也主張說兩岸統一的言論也引起了很大的爭議所以我希望教育部跟陸委會應該跨部會來合作我們要很謹慎的嚴防並這些相關統戰的活動在不知不覺滲透到我們的下一代而最近剛好就有傳出相關統戰進入校園的氣勢就像校長剛剛講的日前傳出有清大教授帶將近30名的學生到天津參訪\n\n05:56.897 --> 06:13.100\n五天四夜只收機票錢時數全包也被懷疑這是統戰團所以我相信教育部應該有了解這些事情我也想知道說你們有沒有深入去了解實際的狀況他只繳機票錢那時數的部分會不會就是對岸就是中國這邊相關的單位來支付他們這個是不是打著交流參訪的這個研討的名義其實實行這個統戰滲透的這個作為呢部長您說\n\n06:26.662 --> 06:51.341\n是我想清大是一個非常品牌非常好的一個學校在人才培育老師怎麼樣去謹守分際初步我們事實上是教育部是有一些去了解去調查也就是說老師所提的這個申請有請假這個學術交流但是看起來所填的跟他實際所帶學生包含高中的學生去交流好像在\n\n06:52.202 --> 07:03.732\n跟他所提的這些請假的一個理由似乎還是存有一些落差所以我們有一個明確的指引明確的規範我想這是很重要的再來我要再向您請教蘭花是我國很重要的外鄉農產品那在南部的這個重點實驗室也有傳出有教授\n\n07:12.680 --> 07:22.364\n把自己降格為共同通訊作者並且在通訊地址上寫出中國台南甚至讓這個整體研究變成中國擁有而且還共享整體蘭科植物及蝴蝶蘭的基因體資料部長這個事情這個事情教育部你們有沒有跟農業部來了解\n\n07:32.588 --> 07:46.533\n就針對這個教授共享資料庫導致我國的這個藍花基因體資料外洩有沒有懲處因為他這個不管是在道德上學論上都是有爭議的這個是根本就是打著學術研究之名來行這個票竊竊取技術知識啊\n\n07:52.588 --> 07:57.389\n我想這一個部分這個矮化台灣矮化國格這一個學術研究的發表我想這我們會事後來瞭解也就是說這不應該有這樣的違反不只是矮化台灣國格另外屬於機敏這個技術這一個部分我想我們都會一併來深入的來調查\n\n08:17.513 --> 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