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00:01:40,206\n合格的代理教師這個代理教師應該要跟所謂的這個正式的教師他們應該要來講這是同工要同酬我想這個大家都應該不反對喔那另外呢就是在教育部修正高中以下的一個學校不管是兼任的代課或代理老師他們聘任的一個辦法的第16條\n\n6\n00:01:41,307 --> 00:01:50,393\n其實強調的也是這個部分就是他已經具有合格教師的資格所以他所謂的這個題序的新級應該要比照專任教師的一個規定好現在問題來了我們看到在這個偏鄉代理老師他已經具有所謂的合格的教師的條件\n\n7\n00:02:00,807 --> 00:02:22,536\n那但是他在做教學導師工作等等的所有的校務的一些應該是說他的教學或者是他的行政的工作他的這個工作的量能的部分如果只是調整他的薪籍但是他的家籍是沒有被納入的教育部認為\n\n8\n00:02:24,137 --> 00:02:42,831\n這個有提到我剛剛講的這合憲嗎還是說這個有對他們來講是平等合理的嗎因為上個禮拜其實我們跟教育部所資喔那目前所知道的偏鄉的代理老師的家籍的部分其實是被排除的\n\n9\n00:02:43,131 --> 00:02:52,694\n被遺漏的沒有被納入的為什麼有這樣的差別待遇如果有這樣的差別待遇的話我們偏鄉老師都已經聘請留任已經困難了連這一點點的家籍都要被排除都沒有被納入部長你怎麼看這件事啊\n\n10\n00:03:01,363 --> 00:03:24,293\n我想基本上我非常認同委員所提的這些他具有合格教師證的這些代理老師他的一個教學跟行政上的一些權益應該要比同專任教師怎麼樣去給予一些更積極的一些關照所以這個是要跟地方政府一起來做協調嗎\n\n11\n00:03:25,509 --> 00:03:39,343\n我想我們會來跟人事總署還有地方政府來做一些共同的一些研擬看怎麼樣給予這些偏鄉的一些老師更多的一些支持偏鄉的代理老師我們現在大概有偏鄉留任這個獎金嘛\n\n12\n00:03:43,627 --> 00:04:02,230\n但一樣的一個概念本來就是偏鄉他在整個交通在整個各方面的資源是比較不足的那相對於城市那這些老師願意留在偏鄉我們怎麼樣給予更大的一些支持讓他能夠安心的把這些小孩子的一個學習能夠照顧好\n\n13\n00:04:03,491 --> 00:04:27,797\n因為我們就這張圖表我們來看好了就是獨落偏鄉的代理老師真的叫做獨落喔正式老師其實是加擠是有被納入的但是就偏鄉的代理老師他們的加擠這個從第一年如果到了第五年我們會發現正式老師跟代理老師他們光是在這個五年當中每個月的差額可能就差到了\n\n14\n00:04:28,297 --> 00:04:34,823\n每個月2183其實這個2183看似其實也還好這個數字其實也還好真的沒有加太多但問題是他連這2183每一個月的加級都要被排除的時候這個對於偏鄉的代理老師他們情何以堪為什麼他們的加級會被讀漏那這個部分我想我還是要請教一下部長\n\n15\n00:04:55,512 --> 00:05:04,302\n我必須要承認我們過去確實對代理老師就把他區別他跟專任老師上有一些差異但是\n\n16\n00:05:05,793 --> 00:05:26,072\n當整個社會在進步我們不應該再有那樣的一個觀念這個我不同意喔因為其實他已經是合格的代理老師囉我們不應該有這樣的觀念因為過去可能因為財政或者因為什麼樣的一個考量有他的時空背景但是以台灣現在進步到這樣的一個就是說一個進步的一個國家因為緊接著下來\n\n17\n00:05:27,493 --> 00:05:53,929\n對這些專任雖然他叫做代理因為代理有幾種情況可能學校沒有開缺或者地方政府因為考慮到各種原因我舉個例子來講其實我們有接到這個偏遠地區是烏來那邊的小學他說他們光是去年的部分他們是開了12招才找到還不是代理教師而是沒有合格執照證書的就是大學剛畢業的\n\n18\n00:05:55,450 --> 00:06:16,264\n相關的這個老師進來教他們是招到12招耶所以其實我們已經在招不到人了今年其實七八月份即將又要面臨這樣子的一個問題如果連偏鄉的家級老師的代理老師的家級的部分我們都沒有辦法想辦法要把他納入的話我想那個誘因之低絕對是留不住人的\n\n19\n00:06:17,506 --> 00:06:32,733\n我非常同意委員的一個說法就是說這些老師他既然他事實上是實時專任實時專任在任教我們應該對他的權益不應該有兩套的標準好那這個部分什麼時候我們可以快速的再來研擬\n\n20\n00:06:34,153 --> 00:06:54,668\n我們地方政府來一起來討論看怎麼樣給這些老師有一個更好的支持一有最新的進度再麻煩提供給我們的辦公室不然我想說我們的教育部我們也有所謂的偏遠地區的教育發展條例我們從106年12月5號修法到現在已經滿8年了那如果這個部分還不能解決的話那請問我們的教育部要做什麼\n\n21\n00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:13,959\n是吧好那接下來我還是要幫很多的特殊教育的這個在服務的這些老師尤其是導師費的部分連家級的部分剛剛其實我早上稍微看了一下好像也有委員有提到\n\n22\n00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:37,713\n到今年為止已經是33年他們的特教老師的加級的部分已經33年沒有調整了遠遠的每個月是1800元低於一般導師費用加級的3000元而且他是所有各類老師職務加級當中最低最低的\n\n23\n00:07:38,413 --> 00:07:52,329\n到現在為止我去年大概是九月的時候其實我們跟全教總也開過這樣子的一次記者會那那個時候有說教育部會跟地方政府來做一個溝通我想問一下部長現在溝通的結果\n\n24\n00:07:53,666 --> 00:08:08,983\n部委員報告我們確實在這個特教的一個職務加級會從一千八到調到每個月兩千八那目前原來有一些部分的縣市我們目前大概都有溝通現在都同意沒有問題了\n\n25\n00:08:09,764 --> 00:08:25,495\n都同意是統一調整也就是同意從一千八調整到兩千八但還是低於三千還是低於我們的一般的導師的費用如果我想跟委員報告一千八調整到兩千八我想這個實務教育它至少它已經有往那個方向也許還有一點點些微的落差但是相當程度\n\n26\n00:08:30,839 --> 00:08:59,244\n我想要表達的是因為我們的特殊教育的學生人數已經從八萬到十萬了可見就是不管是在身心學習情緒等等多重的一些挑戰這樣子需要被照顧的族群是越來越多人數是越來越多但是特殊教育的現場特殊教育的老師他不是單有學術上的一個教導而已他必須甚至還要有所謂的個別化的一個支持\n\n27\n00:09:00,044 --> 00:09:20,375\n其實這個是非常非常重要的怎麼樣照顧他們他們才能夠照顧好這些所謂真的需要被照顧的這些特殊教育的孩子們其實這個是很重要的但我們樂見有一點點小小的進步但是我們希望能夠再更多的進步好嗎因為他們承受的壓力真的會更大教育部的立場跟委員的想法是一致的\n\n28\n00:09:20,635 --> 00:09:42,710\n好那接下來我想問一下就是相關體育的部分了當初體育署其實公布了這個網球黃金計畫的一個名單把這個世大運跟亞運的雙打混雙金銀牌的得主有納入但是呢卻對所謂的這個單打的選手設下了一個標準那當然這個問題其實也凸顯了那也很\n\n29\n00:09:46,132 --> 00:10:08,625\n是多方的意見之後教育部這邊其實還有體育署這邊你們也做出了一些比較正面的一些回應在這邊我們是給予肯定但是我現在想要問的是這個有所謂的第一版跟第二版那第一版當中其實是不是也有所謂的落日條款那這個落日條款到底落日了沒到底我們現在是要用第一版還是第二版的\n\n30\n00:10:08,925 --> 00:10:30,052\n一個銜接因為這個是從之前到現在是2023年12月的第二版的內容到底現在是怎麼延續那目前為止情況是如何報告委員我先釐清幾件事外界的一些資訊第一個我們公告第一版的時候是在去年11月15號都是在國訓的網站上\n\n31\n00:10:30,532 --> 00:10:48,448\n那公告之後當然他的過程當中競強委員都有職業擔任過兩屆奧運的總教練以及職業的教練都有進來討論當然有一些缺憾後來在盧彥勳的團隊協助之下有2.0在12月15號也有公告公告之後我們是有主動通知有入選的這些選手\n\n32\n00:10:49,249 --> 00:11:18,168\n好因為時間有限喔當然就是我們這個部分其實它是整個計畫都在整個修正之後現在已經沒有落入條款了現在1.0已經廢止了所以名單也全部都拿下架只有2.0所以現在就是第二版已經開始實施了受到影響的選手我另外想問的我快速問一下另外我想問的就是這個網球的選手他的資格的認定到底是由誰認定為什麼單打雙打其實他們單打就沒有辦法依照所謂的雙打的這樣子的依據到底這個名單是誰決定\n\n33\n00:11:19,609 --> 00:11:21,651\n是網協嗎我們是競強會的委員去做審查但是這個是依照奧運他的參賽資格的規定來去做這個資格的審定那我們是用單打事後給我一個比較簡單的說明報告跟我說\n\n34\n00:11:34,463 --> 00:12:01,522\n第二件事情其實又是跟網球相關了因為網球國手吳東霖他在4月12號的時候他發文重批真的是重批網協跟體育署就是說2023年他的精英選手的補助款到現在還沒有撥付我想問的是這個撥款的時程他的流程是如何還有選手他們已經被感壓力了甚至他們必須要自費成為會員才能夠去參加很多的決策上面的一個問題這個部分也麻煩書面提供給我可以嗎\n\n35\n00:12:04,265 --> 00:12:06,502\n可以沒問題好以上謝謝部長謝謝組長謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1615\t1756\t請部長備質詢 謝謝委員好\n8342\t34745\t不然早安辛苦了我想偏鄉教師尤其是偏鄉教師荒應該這麼說就一直以來其實都是相對嚴重的一個問題不管是偏遠或者是非山非市的一些小校苦苦等不到老師那嚴重的缺額的現象現在都還依舊存在我想這個代理教師其實又是偏鄉的主力那要把現有的師資要留在這個偏鄉不但\n35606\t57993\t一定要改善這個代理教師他們的一些福利因為我們還有他的工作的一些條件有一些偏鄉的這個代理老師他們是一個人在當三個人用包含行政的工作他們可能都要攬在自己的身上了但是我們沒有把他的福利也考量進去之後最後可能會導致整個所有的教學品質下滑有落差\n60754\t70279\t那最終影響的還是這些偏遠學校的孩子們他們受教的一個權益憲法法庭第113年的這個憲判4號這個第7號的一個判決我想這個應該大家都知道其實他也在強調的就是\n78283\t100206\t合格的代理教師這個代理教師應該要跟所謂的這個正式的教師他們應該要來講這是同工要同酬我想這個大家都應該不反對喔那另外呢就是在教育部修正高中以下的一個學校不管是兼任的代課或代理老師他們聘任的一個辦法的第16條\n101307\t110393\t其實強調的也是這個部分就是他已經具有合格教師的資格所以他所謂的這個題序的新級應該要比照專任教師的一個規定好現在問題來了我們看到在這個偏鄉代理老師他已經具有所謂的合格的教師的條件\n120807\t142536\t那但是他在做教學導師工作等等的所有的校務的一些應該是說他的教學或者是他的行政的工作他的這個工作的量能的部分如果只是調整他的薪籍但是他的家籍是沒有被納入的教育部認為\n144137\t162831\t這個有提到我剛剛講的這合憲嗎還是說這個有對他們來講是平等合理的嗎因為上個禮拜其實我們跟教育部所資喔那目前所知道的偏鄉的代理老師的家籍的部分其實是被排除的\n163131\t172694\t被遺漏的 沒有被納入的為什麼有這樣的差別待遇如果有這樣的差別待遇的話我們偏鄉老師都已經聘請留任已經困難了連這一點點的家籍都要被排除 都沒有被納入部長你怎麼看這件事啊\n181363\t204293\t我想基本上我非常認同委員所提的這些他具有合格教師證的這些代理老師他的一個教學跟行政上的一些權益應該要比同專任教師怎麼樣去給予一些更積極的一些關照所以這個是要跟地方政府一起來做協調嗎\n205509\t219343\t我想我們會來跟人事總署還有地方政府來做一些共同的一些研擬看怎麼樣給予這些偏鄉的一些老師更多的一些支持偏鄉的代理老師我們現在大概有偏鄉留任這個獎金嘛\n223627\t242230\t但一樣的一個概念本來就是偏鄉他在整個交通在整個各方面的資源是比較不足的那相對於城市那這些老師願意留在偏鄉我們怎麼樣給予更大的一些支持讓他能夠安心的把這些小孩子的一個學習能夠照顧好\n243491\t267797\t因為我們就這張圖表我們來看好了就是獨落偏鄉的代理老師真的叫做獨落喔正式老師其實是加擠是有被納入的但是就偏鄉的代理老師他們的加擠這個從第一年如果到了第五年我們會發現正式老師跟代理老師他們光是在這個五年當中每個月的差額可能就差到了\n268297\t274823\t每個月2183其實這個2183看似其實也還好這個數字其實也還好真的沒有加太多但問題是他連這2183每一個月的加級都要被排除的時候這個對於偏鄉的代理老師他們情何以堪為什麼他們的加級會被讀漏那這個部分我想我還是要請教一下部長\n295512\t304302\t我必須要承認我們過去確實對代理老師就把他區別他跟專任老師上有一些差異但是\n305793\t326072\t當整個社會在進步我們不應該再有那樣的一個觀念這個我不同意喔因為其實他已經是合格的代理老師囉我們不應該有這樣的觀念因為過去可能因為財政或者因為什麼樣的一個考量有他的時空背景但是以台灣現在進步到這樣的一個就是說一個進步的一個國家因為緊接著下來\n327493\t353929\t對這些專任雖然他叫做代理因為代理有幾種情況可能學校沒有開缺或者地方政府因為考慮到各種原因我舉個例子來講其實我們有接到這個偏遠地區是烏來那邊的小學他說他們光是去年的部分他們是開了12招才找到還不是代理教師而是沒有合格執照證書的就是大學剛畢業的\n355450\t376264\t相關的這個老師進來教他們是招到12招耶所以其實我們已經在招不到人了今年其實七八月份即將又要面臨這樣子的一個問題如果連偏鄉的家級老師的代理老師的家級的部分我們都沒有辦法想辦法要把他納入的話我想那個誘因之低絕對是留不住人的\n377506\t392733\t我非常同意委員的一個說法就是說這些老師他既然他事實上是實時專任實時專任在任教我們應該對他的權益不應該有兩套的標準好那這個部分什麼時候我們可以快速的再來研擬\n394153\t414668\t我們地方政府來一起來討論看怎麼樣給這些老師有一個更好的支持一有最新的進度再麻煩提供給我們的辦公室不然我想說我們的教育部我們也有所謂的偏遠地區的教育發展條例我們從106年12月5號修法到現在已經滿8年了那如果這個部分還不能解決的話那請問我們的教育部要做什麼\n415720\t433959\t是吧好那接下來我還是要幫很多的特殊教育的這個在服務的這些老師尤其是導師費的部分連家級的部分剛剛其實我早上稍微看了一下好像也有委員有提到\n435200\t457713\t到今年為止已經是33年他們的特教老師的加級的部分已經33年沒有調整了遠遠的每個月是1800元低於一般導師費用加級的3000元而且他是所有各類老師職務加級當中最低最低的\n458413\t472329\t到現在為止我去年大概是九月的時候其實我們跟全教總也開過這樣子的一次記者會那那個時候有說教育部會跟地方政府來做一個溝通我想問一下部長現在溝通的結果\n473666\t488983\t部委員報告我們確實在這個特教的一個職務加級會從一千八到調到每個月兩千八那目前原來有一些部分的縣市我們目前大概都有溝通現在都同意沒有問題了\n489764\t505495\t都同意是統一調整也就是同意從一千八調整到兩千八但還是低於三千還是低於我們的一般的導師的費用如果我想跟委員報告一千八調整到兩千八我想這個實務教育它至少它已經有往那個方向也許還有一點點些微的落差但是相當程度\n510839\t539244\t我想要表達的是因為我們的特殊教育的學生人數已經從八萬到十萬了可見就是不管是在身心學習情緒等等多重的一些挑戰這樣子需要被照顧的族群是越來越多人數是越來越多但是特殊教育的現場特殊教育的老師他不是單有學術上的一個教導而已他必須甚至還要有所謂的個別化的一個支持\n540044\t560375\t其實這個是非常非常重要的怎麼樣照顧他們他們才能夠照顧好這些所謂真的需要被照顧的這些特殊教育的孩子們其實這個是很重要的但我們樂見有一點點小小的進步但是我們希望能夠再更多的進步好嗎因為他們承受的壓力真的會更大教育部的立場跟委員的想法是一致的\n560635\t582710\t好 那接下來我想問一下就是相關體育的部分了當初體育署其實公布了這個網球黃金計畫的一個名單把這個世大運跟亞運的雙打混雙金銀牌的得主有納入但是呢卻對所謂的這個單打的選手設下了一個標準那當然這個問題其實也凸顯了那也很\n586132\t608625\t是多方的意見之後教育部這邊其實還有體育署這邊你們也做出了一些比較正面的一些回應在這邊我們是給予肯定但是我現在想要問的是這個有所謂的第一版跟第二版那第一版當中其實是不是也有所謂的落日條款那這個落日條款到底落日了沒到底我們現在是要用第一版還是第二版的\n608925\t630052\t一個銜接因為這個是從之前到現在是2023年12月的第二版的內容到底現在是怎麼延續那目前為止情況是如何報告委員我先釐清幾件事外界的一些資訊第一個我們公告第一版的時候是在去年11月15號都是在國訓的網站上\n630532\t648448\t那公告之後當然他的過程當中競強委員都有職業擔任過兩屆奧運的總教練以及職業的教練都有進來討論當然有一些缺憾後來在盧彥勳的團隊協助之下有2.0在12月15號也有公告公告之後我們是有主動通知有入選的這些選手\n649249\t678168\t好 因為時間有限喔當然就是我們這個部分其實它是整個計畫都在整個修正之後現在已經沒有落入條款了現在1.0已經廢止了所以名單也全部都拿下架只有2.0所以現在就是第二版已經開始實施了受到影響的選手我另外想問的我快速問一下另外我想問的就是這個網球的選手他的資格的認定到底是由誰認定為什麼單打雙打其實他們單打就沒有辦法依照所謂的雙打的這樣子的依據到底這個名單是誰決定\n679609\t681651\t是網協嗎我們是競強會的委員去做審查但是這個是依照奧運他的參賽資格的規定來去做這個資格的審定那我們是用單打事後給我一個比較簡單的說明報告跟我說\n694463\t721522\t第二件事情其實又是跟網球相關了因為網球國手吳東霖他在4月12號的時候他發文重批真的是重批網協跟體育署就是說2023年他的精英選手的補助款到現在還沒有撥付我想問的是這個撥款的時程他的流程是如何還有選手他們已經被感壓力了甚至他們必須要自費成為會員才能夠去參加很多的決策上面的一個問題這個部分也麻煩書面提供給我可以嗎\n724265\t726502\t可以 沒問題好 以上謝謝部長 謝謝組長 謝謝主席\n","txt":"請部長備質詢 謝謝委員好\n不然早安辛苦了我想偏鄉教師尤其是偏鄉教師荒應該這麼說就一直以來其實都是相對嚴重的一個問題不管是偏遠或者是非山非市的一些小校苦苦等不到老師那嚴重的缺額的現象現在都還依舊存在我想這個代理教師其實又是偏鄉的主力那要把現有的師資要留在這個偏鄉不但\n一定要改善這個代理教師他們的一些福利因為我們還有他的工作的一些條件有一些偏鄉的這個代理老師他們是一個人在當三個人用包含行政的工作他們可能都要攬在自己的身上了但是我們沒有把他的福利也考量進去之後最後可能會導致整個所有的教學品質下滑有落差\n那最終影響的還是這些偏遠學校的孩子們他們受教的一個權益憲法法庭第113年的這個憲判4號這個第7號的一個判決我想這個應該大家都知道其實他也在強調的就是\n合格的代理教師這個代理教師應該要跟所謂的這個正式的教師他們應該要來講這是同工要同酬我想這個大家都應該不反對喔那另外呢就是在教育部修正高中以下的一個學校不管是兼任的代課或代理老師他們聘任的一個辦法的第16條\n其實強調的也是這個部分就是他已經具有合格教師的資格所以他所謂的這個題序的新級應該要比照專任教師的一個規定好現在問題來了我們看到在這個偏鄉代理老師他已經具有所謂的合格的教師的條件\n那但是他在做教學導師工作等等的所有的校務的一些應該是說他的教學或者是他的行政的工作他的這個工作的量能的部分如果只是調整他的薪籍但是他的家籍是沒有被納入的教育部認為\n這個有提到我剛剛講的這合憲嗎還是說這個有對他們來講是平等合理的嗎因為上個禮拜其實我們跟教育部所資喔那目前所知道的偏鄉的代理老師的家籍的部分其實是被排除的\n被遺漏的 沒有被納入的為什麼有這樣的差別待遇如果有這樣的差別待遇的話我們偏鄉老師都已經聘請留任已經困難了連這一點點的家籍都要被排除 都沒有被納入部長你怎麼看這件事啊\n我想基本上我非常認同委員所提的這些他具有合格教師證的這些代理老師他的一個教學跟行政上的一些權益應該要比同專任教師怎麼樣去給予一些更積極的一些關照所以這個是要跟地方政府一起來做協調嗎\n我想我們會來跟人事總署還有地方政府來做一些共同的一些研擬看怎麼樣給予這些偏鄉的一些老師更多的一些支持偏鄉的代理老師我們現在大概有偏鄉留任這個獎金嘛\n但一樣的一個概念本來就是偏鄉他在整個交通在整個各方面的資源是比較不足的那相對於城市那這些老師願意留在偏鄉我們怎麼樣給予更大的一些支持讓他能夠安心的把這些小孩子的一個學習能夠照顧好\n因為我們就這張圖表我們來看好了就是獨落偏鄉的代理老師真的叫做獨落喔正式老師其實是加擠是有被納入的但是就偏鄉的代理老師他們的加擠這個從第一年如果到了第五年我們會發現正式老師跟代理老師他們光是在這個五年當中每個月的差額可能就差到了\n每個月2183其實這個2183看似其實也還好這個數字其實也還好真的沒有加太多但問題是他連這2183每一個月的加級都要被排除的時候這個對於偏鄉的代理老師他們情何以堪為什麼他們的加級會被讀漏那這個部分我想我還是要請教一下部長\n我必須要承認我們過去確實對代理老師就把他區別他跟專任老師上有一些差異但是\n當整個社會在進步我們不應該再有那樣的一個觀念這個我不同意喔因為其實他已經是合格的代理老師囉我們不應該有這樣的觀念因為過去可能因為財政或者因為什麼樣的一個考量有他的時空背景但是以台灣現在進步到這樣的一個就是說一個進步的一個國家因為緊接著下來\n對這些專任雖然他叫做代理因為代理有幾種情況可能學校沒有開缺或者地方政府因為考慮到各種原因我舉個例子來講其實我們有接到這個偏遠地區是烏來那邊的小學他說他們光是去年的部分他們是開了12招才找到還不是代理教師而是沒有合格執照證書的就是大學剛畢業的\n相關的這個老師進來教他們是招到12招耶所以其實我們已經在招不到人了今年其實七八月份即將又要面臨這樣子的一個問題如果連偏鄉的家級老師的代理老師的家級的部分我們都沒有辦法想辦法要把他納入的話我想那個誘因之低絕對是留不住人的\n我非常同意委員的一個說法就是說這些老師他既然他事實上是實時專任實時專任在任教我們應該對他的權益不應該有兩套的標準好那這個部分什麼時候我們可以快速的再來研擬\n我們地方政府來一起來討論看怎麼樣給這些老師有一個更好的支持一有最新的進度再麻煩提供給我們的辦公室不然我想說我們的教育部我們也有所謂的偏遠地區的教育發展條例我們從106年12月5號修法到現在已經滿8年了那如果這個部分還不能解決的話那請問我們的教育部要做什麼\n是吧好那接下來我還是要幫很多的特殊教育的這個在服務的這些老師尤其是導師費的部分連家級的部分剛剛其實我早上稍微看了一下好像也有委員有提到\n到今年為止已經是33年他們的特教老師的加級的部分已經33年沒有調整了遠遠的每個月是1800元低於一般導師費用加級的3000元而且他是所有各類老師職務加級當中最低最低的\n到現在為止我去年大概是九月的時候其實我們跟全教總也開過這樣子的一次記者會那那個時候有說教育部會跟地方政府來做一個溝通我想問一下部長現在溝通的結果\n部委員報告我們確實在這個特教的一個職務加級會從一千八到調到每個月兩千八那目前原來有一些部分的縣市我們目前大概都有溝通現在都同意沒有問題了\n都同意是統一調整也就是同意從一千八調整到兩千八但還是低於三千還是低於我們的一般的導師的費用如果我想跟委員報告一千八調整到兩千八我想這個實務教育它至少它已經有往那個方向也許還有一點點些微的落差但是相當程度\n我想要表達的是因為我們的特殊教育的學生人數已經從八萬到十萬了可見就是不管是在身心學習情緒等等多重的一些挑戰這樣子需要被照顧的族群是越來越多人數是越來越多但是特殊教育的現場特殊教育的老師他不是單有學術上的一個教導而已他必須甚至還要有所謂的個別化的一個支持\n其實這個是非常非常重要的怎麼樣照顧他們他們才能夠照顧好這些所謂真的需要被照顧的這些特殊教育的孩子們其實這個是很重要的但我們樂見有一點點小小的進步但是我們希望能夠再更多的進步好嗎因為他們承受的壓力真的會更大教育部的立場跟委員的想法是一致的\n好 那接下來我想問一下就是相關體育的部分了當初體育署其實公布了這個網球黃金計畫的一個名單把這個世大運跟亞運的雙打混雙金銀牌的得主有納入但是呢卻對所謂的這個單打的選手設下了一個標準那當然這個問題其實也凸顯了那也很\n是多方的意見之後教育部這邊其實還有體育署這邊你們也做出了一些比較正面的一些回應在這邊我們是給予肯定但是我現在想要問的是這個有所謂的第一版跟第二版那第一版當中其實是不是也有所謂的落日條款那這個落日條款到底落日了沒到底我們現在是要用第一版還是第二版的\n一個銜接因為這個是從之前到現在是2023年12月的第二版的內容到底現在是怎麼延續那目前為止情況是如何報告委員我先釐清幾件事外界的一些資訊第一個我們公告第一版的時候是在去年11月15號都是在國訓的網站上\n那公告之後當然他的過程當中競強委員都有職業擔任過兩屆奧運的總教練以及職業的教練都有進來討論當然有一些缺憾後來在盧彥勳的團隊協助之下有2.0在12月15號也有公告公告之後我們是有主動通知有入選的這些選手\n好 因為時間有限喔當然就是我們這個部分其實它是整個計畫都在整個修正之後現在已經沒有落入條款了現在1.0已經廢止了所以名單也全部都拿下架只有2.0所以現在就是第二版已經開始實施了受到影響的選手我另外想問的我快速問一下另外我想問的就是這個網球的選手他的資格的認定到底是由誰認定為什麼單打雙打其實他們單打就沒有辦法依照所謂的雙打的這樣子的依據到底這個名單是誰決定\n是網協嗎我們是競強會的委員去做審查但是這個是依照奧運他的參賽資格的規定來去做這個資格的審定那我們是用單打事後給我一個比較簡單的說明報告跟我說\n第二件事情其實又是跟網球相關了因為網球國手吳東霖他在4月12號的時候他發文重批真的是重批網協跟體育署就是說2023年他的精英選手的補助款到現在還沒有撥付我想問的是這個撥款的時程他的流程是如何還有選手他們已經被感壓力了甚至他們必須要自費成為會員才能夠去參加很多的決策上面的一個問題這個部分也麻煩書面提供給我可以嗎\n可以 沒問題好 以上謝謝部長 謝謝組長 謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.615 --> 00:01.756\n請部長備質詢謝謝委員好\n\n00:08.342 --> 00:34.745\n不然早安辛苦了我想偏鄉教師尤其是偏鄉教師荒應該這麼說就一直以來其實都是相對嚴重的一個問題不管是偏遠或者是非山非市的一些小校苦苦等不到老師那嚴重的缺額的現象現在都還依舊存在我想這個代理教師其實又是偏鄉的主力那要把現有的師資要留在這個偏鄉不但\n\n00:35.606 --> 00:57.993\n一定要改善這個代理教師他們的一些福利因為我們還有他的工作的一些條件有一些偏鄉的這個代理老師他們是一個人在當三個人用包含行政的工作他們可能都要攬在自己的身上了但是我們沒有把他的福利也考量進去之後最後可能會導致整個所有的教學品質下滑有落差\n\n01:00.754 --> 01:10.279\n那最終影響的還是這些偏遠學校的孩子們他們受教的一個權益憲法法庭第113年的這個憲判4號這個第7號的一個判決我想這個應該大家都知道其實他也在強調的就是\n\n01:18.283 --> 01:40.206\n合格的代理教師這個代理教師應該要跟所謂的這個正式的教師他們應該要來講這是同工要同酬我想這個大家都應該不反對喔那另外呢就是在教育部修正高中以下的一個學校不管是兼任的代課或代理老師他們聘任的一個辦法的第16條\n\n01:41.307 --> 01:50.393\n其實強調的也是這個部分就是他已經具有合格教師的資格所以他所謂的這個題序的新級應該要比照專任教師的一個規定好現在問題來了我們看到在這個偏鄉代理老師他已經具有所謂的合格的教師的條件\n\n02:00.807 --> 02:22.536\n那但是他在做教學導師工作等等的所有的校務的一些應該是說他的教學或者是他的行政的工作他的這個工作的量能的部分如果只是調整他的薪籍但是他的家籍是沒有被納入的教育部認為\n\n02:24.137 --> 02:42.831\n這個有提到我剛剛講的這合憲嗎還是說這個有對他們來講是平等合理的嗎因為上個禮拜其實我們跟教育部所資喔那目前所知道的偏鄉的代理老師的家籍的部分其實是被排除的\n\n02:43.131 --> 02:52.694\n被遺漏的沒有被納入的為什麼有這樣的差別待遇如果有這樣的差別待遇的話我們偏鄉老師都已經聘請留任已經困難了連這一點點的家籍都要被排除都沒有被納入部長你怎麼看這件事啊\n\n03:01.363 --> 03:24.293\n我想基本上我非常認同委員所提的這些他具有合格教師證的這些代理老師他的一個教學跟行政上的一些權益應該要比同專任教師怎麼樣去給予一些更積極的一些關照所以這個是要跟地方政府一起來做協調嗎\n\n03:25.509 --> 03:39.343\n我想我們會來跟人事總署還有地方政府來做一些共同的一些研擬看怎麼樣給予這些偏鄉的一些老師更多的一些支持偏鄉的代理老師我們現在大概有偏鄉留任這個獎金嘛\n\n03:43.627 --> 04:02.230\n但一樣的一個概念本來就是偏鄉他在整個交通在整個各方面的資源是比較不足的那相對於城市那這些老師願意留在偏鄉我們怎麼樣給予更大的一些支持讓他能夠安心的把這些小孩子的一個學習能夠照顧好\n\n04:03.491 --> 04:27.797\n因為我們就這張圖表我們來看好了就是獨落偏鄉的代理老師真的叫做獨落喔正式老師其實是加擠是有被納入的但是就偏鄉的代理老師他們的加擠這個從第一年如果到了第五年我們會發現正式老師跟代理老師他們光是在這個五年當中每個月的差額可能就差到了\n\n04:28.297 --> 04:34.823\n每個月2183其實這個2183看似其實也還好這個數字其實也還好真的沒有加太多但問題是他連這2183每一個月的加級都要被排除的時候這個對於偏鄉的代理老師他們情何以堪為什麼他們的加級會被讀漏那這個部分我想我還是要請教一下部長\n\n04:55.512 --> 05:04.302\n我必須要承認我們過去確實對代理老師就把他區別他跟專任老師上有一些差異但是\n\n05:05.793 --> 05:26.072\n當整個社會在進步我們不應該再有那樣的一個觀念這個我不同意喔因為其實他已經是合格的代理老師囉我們不應該有這樣的觀念因為過去可能因為財政或者因為什麼樣的一個考量有他的時空背景但是以台灣現在進步到這樣的一個就是說一個進步的一個國家因為緊接著下來\n\n05:27.493 --> 05:53.929\n對這些專任雖然他叫做代理因為代理有幾種情況可能學校沒有開缺或者地方政府因為考慮到各種原因我舉個例子來講其實我們有接到這個偏遠地區是烏來那邊的小學他說他們光是去年的部分他們是開了12招才找到還不是代理教師而是沒有合格執照證書的就是大學剛畢業的\n\n05:55.450 --> 06:16.264\n相關的這個老師進來教他們是招到12招耶所以其實我們已經在招不到人了今年其實七八月份即將又要面臨這樣子的一個問題如果連偏鄉的家級老師的代理老師的家級的部分我們都沒有辦法想辦法要把他納入的話我想那個誘因之低絕對是留不住人的\n\n06:17.506 --> 06:32.733\n我非常同意委員的一個說法就是說這些老師他既然他事實上是實時專任實時專任在任教我們應該對他的權益不應該有兩套的標準好那這個部分什麼時候我們可以快速的再來研擬\n\n06:34.153 --> 06:54.668\n我們地方政府來一起來討論看怎麼樣給這些老師有一個更好的支持一有最新的進度再麻煩提供給我們的辦公室不然我想說我們的教育部我們也有所謂的偏遠地區的教育發展條例我們從106年12月5號修法到現在已經滿8年了那如果這個部分還不能解決的話那請問我們的教育部要做什麼\n\n06:55.720 --> 07:13.959\n是吧好那接下來我還是要幫很多的特殊教育的這個在服務的這些老師尤其是導師費的部分連家級的部分剛剛其實我早上稍微看了一下好像也有委員有提到\n\n07:15.200 --> 07:37.713\n到今年為止已經是33年他們的特教老師的加級的部分已經33年沒有調整了遠遠的每個月是1800元低於一般導師費用加級的3000元而且他是所有各類老師職務加級當中最低最低的\n\n07:38.413 --> 07:52.329\n到現在為止我去年大概是九月的時候其實我們跟全教總也開過這樣子的一次記者會那那個時候有說教育部會跟地方政府來做一個溝通我想問一下部長現在溝通的結果\n\n07:53.666 --> 08:08.983\n部委員報告我們確實在這個特教的一個職務加級會從一千八到調到每個月兩千八那目前原來有一些部分的縣市我們目前大概都有溝通現在都同意沒有問題了\n\n08:09.764 --> 08:25.495\n都同意是統一調整也就是同意從一千八調整到兩千八但還是低於三千還是低於我們的一般的導師的費用如果我想跟委員報告一千八調整到兩千八我想這個實務教育它至少它已經有往那個方向也許還有一點點些微的落差但是相當程度\n\n08:30.839 --> 08:59.244\n我想要表達的是因為我們的特殊教育的學生人數已經從八萬到十萬了可見就是不管是在身心學習情緒等等多重的一些挑戰這樣子需要被照顧的族群是越來越多人數是越來越多但是特殊教育的現場特殊教育的老師他不是單有學術上的一個教導而已他必須甚至還要有所謂的個別化的一個支持\n\n09:00.044 --> 09:20.375\n其實這個是非常非常重要的怎麼樣照顧他們他們才能夠照顧好這些所謂真的需要被照顧的這些特殊教育的孩子們其實這個是很重要的但我們樂見有一點點小小的進步但是我們希望能夠再更多的進步好嗎因為他們承受的壓力真的會更大教育部的立場跟委員的想法是一致的\n\n09:20.635 --> 09:42.710\n好那接下來我想問一下就是相關體育的部分了當初體育署其實公布了這個網球黃金計畫的一個名單把這個世大運跟亞運的雙打混雙金銀牌的得主有納入但是呢卻對所謂的這個單打的選手設下了一個標準那當然這個問題其實也凸顯了那也很\n\n09:46.132 --> 10:08.625\n是多方的意見之後教育部這邊其實還有體育署這邊你們也做出了一些比較正面的一些回應在這邊我們是給予肯定但是我現在想要問的是這個有所謂的第一版跟第二版那第一版當中其實是不是也有所謂的落日條款那這個落日條款到底落日了沒到底我們現在是要用第一版還是第二版的\n\n10:08.925 --> 10:30.052\n一個銜接因為這個是從之前到現在是2023年12月的第二版的內容到底現在是怎麼延續那目前為止情況是如何報告委員我先釐清幾件事外界的一些資訊第一個我們公告第一版的時候是在去年11月15號都是在國訓的網站上\n\n10:30.532 --> 10:48.448\n那公告之後當然他的過程當中競強委員都有職業擔任過兩屆奧運的總教練以及職業的教練都有進來討論當然有一些缺憾後來在盧彥勳的團隊協助之下有2.0在12月15號也有公告公告之後我們是有主動通知有入選的這些選手\n\n10:49.249 --> 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都沒有被納入部長你怎麼看這件事啊"},{"start":181.363,"end":204.293,"text":"我想基本上我非常認同委員所提的這些他具有合格教師證的這些代理老師他的一個教學跟行政上的一些權益應該要比同專任教師怎麼樣去給予一些更積極的一些關照所以這個是要跟地方政府一起來做協調嗎"},{"start":205.509,"end":219.343,"text":"我想我們會來跟人事總署還有地方政府來做一些共同的一些研擬看怎麼樣給予這些偏鄉的一些老師更多的一些支持偏鄉的代理老師我們現在大概有偏鄉留任這個獎金嘛"},{"start":223.627,"end":242.23,"text":"但一樣的一個概念本來就是偏鄉他在整個交通在整個各方面的資源是比較不足的那相對於城市那這些老師願意留在偏鄉我們怎麼樣給予更大的一些支持讓他能夠安心的把這些小孩子的一個學習能夠照顧好"},{"start":243.491,"end":267.797,"text":"因為我們就這張圖表我們來看好了就是獨落偏鄉的代理老師真的叫做獨落喔正式老師其實是加擠是有被納入的但是就偏鄉的代理老師他們的加擠這個從第一年如果到了第五年我們會發現正式老師跟代理老師他們光是在這個五年當中每個月的差額可能就差到了"},{"start":268.297,"end":274.823,"text":"每個月2183其實這個2183看似其實也還好這個數字其實也還好真的沒有加太多但問題是他連這2183每一個月的加級都要被排除的時候這個對於偏鄉的代理老師他們情何以堪為什麼他們的加級會被讀漏那這個部分我想我還是要請教一下部長"},{"start":295.512,"end":304.302,"text":"我必須要承認我們過去確實對代理老師就把他區別他跟專任老師上有一些差異但是"},{"start":305.793,"end":326.072,"text":"當整個社會在進步我們不應該再有那樣的一個觀念這個我不同意喔因為其實他已經是合格的代理老師囉我們不應該有這樣的觀念因為過去可能因為財政或者因為什麼樣的一個考量有他的時空背景但是以台灣現在進步到這樣的一個就是說一個進步的一個國家因為緊接著下來"},{"start":327.493,"end":353.929,"text":"對這些專任雖然他叫做代理因為代理有幾種情況可能學校沒有開缺或者地方政府因為考慮到各種原因我舉個例子來講其實我們有接到這個偏遠地區是烏來那邊的小學他說他們光是去年的部分他們是開了12招才找到還不是代理教師而是沒有合格執照證書的就是大學剛畢業的"},{"start":355.45,"end":376.264,"text":"相關的這個老師進來教他們是招到12招耶所以其實我們已經在招不到人了今年其實七八月份即將又要面臨這樣子的一個問題如果連偏鄉的家級老師的代理老師的家級的部分我們都沒有辦法想辦法要把他納入的話我想那個誘因之低絕對是留不住人的"},{"start":377.506,"end":392.733,"text":"我非常同意委員的一個說法就是說這些老師他既然他事實上是實時專任實時專任在任教我們應該對他的權益不應該有兩套的標準好那這個部分什麼時候我們可以快速的再來研擬"},{"start":394.153,"end":414.668,"text":"我們地方政府來一起來討論看怎麼樣給這些老師有一個更好的支持一有最新的進度再麻煩提供給我們的辦公室不然我想說我們的教育部我們也有所謂的偏遠地區的教育發展條例我們從106年12月5號修法到現在已經滿8年了那如果這個部分還不能解決的話那請問我們的教育部要做什麼"},{"start":415.72,"end":433.959,"text":"是吧好那接下來我還是要幫很多的特殊教育的這個在服務的這些老師尤其是導師費的部分連家級的部分剛剛其實我早上稍微看了一下好像也有委員有提到"},{"start":435.2,"end":457.713,"text":"到今年為止已經是33年他們的特教老師的加級的部分已經33年沒有調整了遠遠的每個月是1800元低於一般導師費用加級的3000元而且他是所有各類老師職務加級當中最低最低的"},{"start":458.413,"end":472.329,"text":"到現在為止我去年大概是九月的時候其實我們跟全教總也開過這樣子的一次記者會那那個時候有說教育部會跟地方政府來做一個溝通我想問一下部長現在溝通的結果"},{"start":473.666,"end":488.983,"text":"部委員報告我們確實在這個特教的一個職務加級會從一千八到調到每個月兩千八那目前原來有一些部分的縣市我們目前大概都有溝通現在都同意沒有問題了"},{"start":489.764,"end":505.495,"text":"都同意是統一調整也就是同意從一千八調整到兩千八但還是低於三千還是低於我們的一般的導師的費用如果我想跟委員報告一千八調整到兩千八我想這個實務教育它至少它已經有往那個方向也許還有一點點些微的落差但是相當程度"},{"start":510.839,"end":539.244,"text":"我想要表達的是因為我們的特殊教育的學生人數已經從八萬到十萬了可見就是不管是在身心學習情緒等等多重的一些挑戰這樣子需要被照顧的族群是越來越多人數是越來越多但是特殊教育的現場特殊教育的老師他不是單有學術上的一個教導而已他必須甚至還要有所謂的個別化的一個支持"},{"start":540.044,"end":560.375,"text":"其實這個是非常非常重要的怎麼樣照顧他們他們才能夠照顧好這些所謂真的需要被照顧的這些特殊教育的孩子們其實這個是很重要的但我們樂見有一點點小小的進步但是我們希望能夠再更多的進步好嗎因為他們承受的壓力真的會更大教育部的立場跟委員的想法是一致的"},{"start":560.635,"end":582.71,"text":"好 那接下來我想問一下就是相關體育的部分了當初體育署其實公布了這個網球黃金計畫的一個名單把這個世大運跟亞運的雙打混雙金銀牌的得主有納入但是呢卻對所謂的這個單打的選手設下了一個標準那當然這個問題其實也凸顯了那也很"},{"start":586.132,"end":608.625,"text":"是多方的意見之後教育部這邊其實還有體育署這邊你們也做出了一些比較正面的一些回應在這邊我們是給予肯定但是我現在想要問的是這個有所謂的第一版跟第二版那第一版當中其實是不是也有所謂的落日條款那這個落日條款到底落日了沒到底我們現在是要用第一版還是第二版的"},{"start":608.925,"end":630.052,"text":"一個銜接因為這個是從之前到現在是2023年12月的第二版的內容到底現在是怎麼延續那目前為止情況是如何報告委員我先釐清幾件事外界的一些資訊第一個我們公告第一版的時候是在去年11月15號都是在國訓的網站上"},{"start":630.532,"end":648.448,"text":"那公告之後當然他的過程當中競強委員都有職業擔任過兩屆奧運的總教練以及職業的教練都有進來討論當然有一些缺憾後來在盧彥勳的團隊協助之下有2.0在12月15號也有公告公告之後我們是有主動通知有入選的這些選手"},{"start":649.249,"end":678.168,"text":"好 因為時間有限喔當然就是我們這個部分其實它是整個計畫都在整個修正之後現在已經沒有落入條款了現在1.0已經廢止了所以名單也全部都拿下架只有2.0所以現在就是第二版已經開始實施了受到影響的選手我另外想問的我快速問一下另外我想問的就是這個網球的選手他的資格的認定到底是由誰認定為什麼單打雙打其實他們單打就沒有辦法依照所謂的雙打的這樣子的依據到底這個名單是誰決定"},{"start":679.609,"end":681.651,"text":"是網協嗎我們是競強會的委員去做審查但是這個是依照奧運他的參賽資格的規定來去做這個資格的審定那我們是用單打事後給我一個比較簡單的說明報告跟我說"},{"start":694.463,"end":721.522,"text":"第二件事情其實又是跟網球相關了因為網球國手吳東霖他在4月12號的時候他發文重批真的是重批網協跟體育署就是說2023年他的精英選手的補助款到現在還沒有撥付我想問的是這個撥款的時程他的流程是如何還有選手他們已經被感壓力了甚至他們必須要自費成為會員才能夠去參加很多的決策上面的一個問題這個部分也麻煩書面提供給我可以嗎"},{"start":724.265,"end":726.502,"text":"可以 沒問題好 以上謝謝部長 謝謝組長 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