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00:00:18,217\n委員好主席有請部長請部長備質詢謝謝委員好部長\n\n2\n00:00:27,430 --> 00:00:48,522\n請問您認為學生合理通勤的時間應該要多久一個學生從家裡到學校或從他居住的地方到學校合理通勤的時間應該要多久就國民教育來講因為他比較是社區性地區性所以相當程度我覺得都不應該在超過20分鐘\n\n3\n00:00:51,016 --> 00:01:07,548\n我想大概是這樣如果他是社區性根據師範大學研究那個教育研究所的研究學生每日通勤時間如果超過兩個小時那他的學習效率將顯著的降低而且影響心理健康而\n\n4\n00:01:08,729 --> 00:01:28,028\n部長學校不遠但學生很遠我們基隆作為北台灣重要的教育中心我們吸引了很多鄰近地區的學生來就讀但是金山跟萬里很多他們的學生是到基隆來就讀的那他們每天主要\n\n5\n00:01:29,089 --> 00:01:55,010\n來基隆的交通是依賴所謂的國光客運跟基隆客運金山到基隆的通行時間差不多1.5個小時足足90分鐘萬里到基隆也至少要差不多1到1.2個小時也就是60分鐘到80分鐘左右如果遇到說交通有阻塞還是天氣不佳通行時間可以延長到兩個小時以上所以說每天學生往返基隆市\n\n6\n00:01:55,951 --> 00:02:20,712\n一來一往我們可能看到三到四個小時極大的壓縮學習跟休息時間另外一方面其實如果從NG基隆市的調查報告金山與萬里之間的國光客運在尖峰的時候形成擁擠所以導致不只是只有上班的人上班人難以準時到校學生更是難以準時到校甚至要提前搭乘更早的班車\n\n7\n00:02:21,633 --> 00:02:38,996\n本席曾經在議會的時候曾經申請過所謂的萬里內湖跳蛙公車那通常最早5點15分搭的全部都是學生那請問部長如何具體解決這些學生與家長遇到的通勤困難呢\n\n8\n00:02:41,768 --> 00:03:02,622\n謝謝委員提醒怎麼樣給這些高中學生有一個更好的一個交通移動的一個便利性我想因為客運通常是跨縣市那如果有市公車可能它的一個便利性但不管怎麼樣我想我們可以來跟地方政府來一起來協調看怎麼樣讓\n\n9\n00:03:05,283 --> 00:03:25,132\n提供這些通勤的學生有一個更方便的一個交通使用的一個時間因為確實如果每天都是一個半小時那來回就三個小時他的休憩的時間跟他學習的時間我相信那個生活品質是不好的我們都聽過一個名詞叫做城市偏鄉\n\n10\n00:03:26,292 --> 00:03:47,646\n那也就是說我在這邊看到是聯合報上面報導偏遠地區的學生因為交通的問題影響學習的情況是日益嚴重的尤其是非山非市的地區他們每天花費數小時通勤甚至有學生因為交通費用過高或者通勤時間過長而放棄本來就讀資源較好的學校\n\n11\n00:03:48,286 --> 00:04:06,588\n所以很多家長建議政府應該補助學校提供使用專車服務讓學生能夠更快更安全的方式到校但是教育部在這邊也回應了回應了說在這個偏鄉及非山非市地區學生支持政策白皮書那可是\n\n12\n00:04:07,864 --> 00:04:30,709\n老實說公平受教權對於偏遠地區的學生來講基本上是一個很嚴重的挑戰而且目前的補助政策多集中在教育在交通費用的補助而沒有有效的解決通勤時間過長的基本問題所以請問部長教育部是否有針對非山非市地區學生提供專車服務的具體規劃呢\n\n13\n00:04:33,090 --> 00:04:42,175\n目前金山與萬里地區的學生是否有機會享受這一類的服務如果沒有的話是否可以把這需求納入未來的政策規劃\n\n14\n00:04:44,025 --> 00:05:03,294\n我想提供專車服務那是一個可以做的一個目標我是不是請這個署長來補充說明一下好謝謝委員那麼現在在提供專車服務的部分在飛山飛市跟偏鄉地區以學校為補助單位我們一年都有補助近千一二近億元的這個協助\n\n15\n00:05:04,915 --> 00:05:29,820\n第二點從學生的角度看今天委員看一個學生雖然這個學校是飛山飛市可是他來還是會比較久這也是另外一個問題至於基隆這個地區我們盤點過4月9號開過一次會就前幾天其實去年開始我就一直幫這個地方開會現在在地方上的公車處還有中央的公車\n\n16\n00:05:31,859 --> 00:05:57,820\n總處就是公路總局這兩個單位我們一起來協調有些是加開班次讓他上下學有比較密集的班次來做接送的服務當他沒有偏鄉跟非山非市的補助的時候可能他需要這一點所以就偏鄉非山非市跟即便不是偏鄉的不是非山非市的我們都一套整套來協助這是第一點在交通上\n\n17\n00:05:58,260 --> 00:06:18,400\n第二點在資源的協助上還有一些教學的資源包含他的選修課程包含他學習歷程檔案需要更多給學生協助額外的補助這三個面向都有給予協助那麼以上這些補充後續今天下班前會跟委員做報告用書面的文件給您\n\n18\n00:06:19,421 --> 00:06:46,560\n謝謝好謝謝回答本席還是在這邊呼籲因為目前來講我們現在已經看到太多的案例已經清楚地顯示說交通問題對於學生教育的公平影響那本席呼籲教育部能夠正視所謂非山非市地區我相信不會金山萬里是因為在基隆市比較近基隆市比較近而本席是基隆市的區域立委所以我比較能夠了解到金山萬里這一邊那可能我還沒有提到說瑞芳九\n\n19\n00:06:47,080 --> 00:07:08,429\n瑞芳九份貢寮這邊的學生他們這邊也有學生想要過來那如果說能夠的話那推動補助學校提供專車服務並在長期的規劃上改善教育資源分布讓每個學生都能夠公平的享有受教育的權利我覺得這一點來講還請教育部多多照顧一下這些偏遠地區\n\n20\n00:07:09,549 --> 00:07:35,428\n好另外一方面就是本席我剛剛提過我是基隆選區選出來的區域立委那前一陣子呢我前往了海大附中走了一趟那海大附中的校舍其實相當的老舊甚至有所謂消防安全的問題我們海大附中本來是所謂的基隆海市因為現在希望說能夠跟學校直接做連結所以變成是轉型成為海洋大學附屬高中\n\n21\n00:07:35,968 --> 00:08:03,229\n那它現在既然已經變成一個基隆的重要學府不僅承載著本地教育的重任也是培養未來人才的重要基地不過假設說老實講沒有一個好的環境那我們對我們學生的受教權其實是有很大的影響校舍長期未進行全面的翻修導致結構老化設施陳舊校內消防設施的檢查和維護也存在嚴重不足\n\n22\n00:08:03,729 --> 00:08:08,573\n部分消防栓老化失效緊急逃生設備配置不完善\n\n23\n00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:37,298\n不是只有學生不安心部長老師也不是很安心而且我也知道說學校這一點我們在教育部其實有在想辦法再改善尤其是說當我們現在已經看到很多現在有關AI的作業已經不是只有是在於大學才有甚至高中甚至國中有些國中也是要做AI的東西但是你不能一天到晚就是期待說他們用自己的手機去學習這些東西\n\n24\n00:08:40,660 --> 00:09:06,252\n所以說根據最近媒體報導全國有蠻多學校因為校舍老舊及消防設施不合格而被列為高風險場所請問部長假使萬一教育部是否能承擔這樣的責任呢那海大附中就以海大附中為例它作為基隆的教育重地是不是應該成為校舍的一個典範一個安全的榜樣而配風險來源\n\n25\n00:09:08,308 --> 00:09:31,351\n跟委員報告事實上是一個海大附中我去過一次在一個季季競賽的時候我特別討厭因為它確實是因為風很大然後受了這個海風的影響校舍裡邊我們怎麼樣去給予一些必要的一個協助改善我想剛才包括委員所提的那些消防等等\n\n26\n00:09:32,092 --> 00:09:59,782\n國教署在這個部分他們一直會把它這個做額外的有一些補充的一些經費那譬如說它的航海的實境這一個它已經在整個模擬這一個環境上事實上是都非常先進我想我們這一個部長我對於教學的內容我沒有什麼我沒有我對於教學內容還有未來教學的方向目的我沒有我覺得這是好的我這沒有意義只是說尷尬的是說東北季風來的時候雨水潑到走廊\n\n27\n00:10:00,302 --> 00:10:06,567\n你有看過二三樓以上的教室教室外走廊居然要設排水溝才能讓師生安全通行嗎\n\n28\n00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:31,682\n這個會不會太誇張了點我現在提的不是說我們的設施未來是說怎麼樣補助而是說最基本的安全最基本校舍的安全我想基隆當然是因為海大附中的確是比較特例但是像這樣的狀況我想全國應該有不少學校都有類似的狀況如果我的提議是說因為我是基隆的立委\n\n29\n00:10:32,122 --> 00:10:43,435\n如果能夠把海大附中當作是一個典範當作一個校園安全的一個example那我想會對於整個教育部在接管的學校來講相對來講會是有一個好的作用對吧\n\n30\n00:10:47,504 --> 00:11:04,481\n我想我們的這個態度跟委員的想法是一致的我這邊提出三點具體要求第一點我認為教育部應該立即派遣專業團隊來全面檢視海大附中的校舍跟消防設施的現況並提供所謂的改善計畫第二點\n\n31\n00:11:08,979 --> 00:11:28,076\n我認為教育部應盡速編列專項預算來啟動校舍翻修及消防設施更新工程為了確保第三個當然是確保我們的工程進度能夠透明並在合理的時間完成讓師生能夠早日擁有安全現代化的學習環境部長您認為呢\n\n32\n00:11:31,110 --> 00:11:53,445\n方向是我們要努力的啦就是說剛剛委員講說這個組成團隊去現場去看到底要怎麼樣在安全跟消防上能夠獲得到改善我想我們會後我責成國教署馬上來組團隊兩週內就希望到這個海大附中裡面去看一下好謝謝部長跟署長的回答\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n109\t18217\t委員好 主席有請部長請部長備質詢 謝謝委員好部長\n27430\t48522\t請問您認為學生合理通勤的時間應該要多久一個學生從家裡到學校或從他居住的地方到學校合理通勤的時間應該要多久就國民教育來講因為他比較是社區性地區性所以相當程度我覺得都不應該在超過20分鐘\n51016\t67548\t我想大概是這樣如果他是社區性根據師範大學研究那個教育研究所的研究學生每日通勤時間如果超過兩個小時那他的學習效率將顯著的降低而且影響心理健康而\n68729\t88028\t部長學校不遠但學生很遠我們基隆作為北台灣重要的教育中心我們吸引了很多鄰近地區的學生來就讀但是金山跟萬里很多他們的學生是到基隆來就讀的那他們每天主要\n89089\t115010\t來基隆的交通是依賴所謂的國光客運跟基隆客運金山到基隆的通行時間差不多1.5個小時 足足90分鐘萬里到基隆也至少要差不多1到1.2個小時也就是60分鐘到80分鐘左右如果遇到說交通有阻塞還是天氣不佳通行時間可以延長到兩個小時以上所以說每天學生往返基隆市\n115951\t140712\t一來一往我們可能看到三到四個小時極大的壓縮學習跟休息時間另外一方面其實如果從NG基隆市的調查報告金山與萬里之間的國光客運在尖峰的時候形成擁擠所以導致不只是只有上班的人上班人難以準時到校學生更是難以準時到校甚至要提前搭乘更早的班車\n141633\t158996\t本席曾經在議會的時候曾經申請過所謂的萬里內湖跳蛙公車那通常最早5點15分搭的全部都是學生那請問部長如何具體解決這些學生與家長遇到的通勤困難呢\n161768\t182622\t謝謝委員提醒怎麼樣給這些高中學生有一個更好的一個交通移動的一個便利性我想因為客運通常是跨縣市那如果有市公車可能它的一個便利性但不管怎麼樣我想我們可以來跟地方政府來一起來協調看怎麼樣讓\n185283\t205132\t提供這些通勤的學生有一個更方便的一個交通使用的一個時間因為確實如果每天都是一個半小時那來回就三個小時他的休憩的時間跟他學習的時間我相信那個生活品質是不好的我們都聽過一個名詞叫做城市偏鄉\n206292\t227646\t那也就是說我在這邊看到是聯合報上面報導偏遠地區的學生因為交通的問題影響學習的情況是日益嚴重的尤其是非山非市的地區他們每天花費數小時通勤甚至有學生因為交通費用過高或者通勤時間過長而放棄本來就讀資源較好的學校\n228286\t246588\t所以很多家長建議政府應該補助學校提供使用專車服務讓學生能夠更快更安全的方式到校但是教育部在這邊也回應了回應了說在這個偏鄉及非山非市地區學生支持政策白皮書那可是\n247864\t270709\t老實說公平受教權對於偏遠地區的學生來講基本上是一個很嚴重的挑戰而且目前的補助政策多集中在教育在交通費用的補助而沒有有效的解決通勤時間過長的基本問題所以請問部長教育部是否有針對非山非市地區學生提供專車服務的具體規劃呢\n273090\t282175\t目前金山與萬里地區的學生是否有機會享受這一類的服務如果沒有的話是否可以把這需求納入未來的政策規劃\n284025\t303294\t我想提供專車服務那是一個可以做的一個目標我是不是請這個署長來補充說明一下好 謝謝委員那麼現在在提供專車服務的部分在飛山飛市跟偏鄉地區以學校為補助單位我們一年都有補助近千一二近億元的這個協助\n304915\t329820\t第二點從學生的角度看今天委員看一個學生雖然這個學校是飛山飛市可是他來還是會比較久這也是另外一個問題至於基隆這個地區我們盤點過4月9號開過一次會就前幾天其實去年開始我就一直幫這個地方開會現在在地方上的公車處還有中央的公車\n331859\t357820\t總處就是公路總局這兩個單位我們一起來協調有些是加開班次讓他上下學有比較密集的班次來做接送的服務當他沒有偏鄉跟非山非市的補助的時候可能他需要這一點所以就偏鄉非山非市跟即便不是偏鄉的不是非山非市的我們都一套整套來協助這是第一點在交通上\n358260\t378400\t第二點在資源的協助上還有一些教學的資源包含他的選修課程包含他學習歷程檔案需要更多給學生協助額外的補助這三個面向都有給予協助那麼以上這些補充後續今天下班前會跟委員做報告用書面的文件給您\n379421\t406560\t謝謝好 謝謝回答本席還是在這邊呼籲因為目前來講我們現在已經看到太多的案例已經清楚地顯示說交通問題對於學生教育的公平影響那本席呼籲教育部能夠正視所謂非山非市地區我相信不會金山萬里是因為在基隆市比較近 基隆市比較近而本席是基隆市的區域立委所以我比較能夠了解到金山萬里這一邊那可能我還沒有提到說瑞芳九\n407080\t428429\t瑞芳九份貢寮這邊的學生他們這邊也有學生想要過來那如果說能夠的話那推動補助學校提供專車服務並在長期的規劃上改善教育資源分布讓每個學生都能夠公平的享有受教育的權利我覺得這一點來講還請教育部多多照顧一下這些偏遠地區\n429549\t455428\t好 另外一方面就是本席我剛剛提過我是基隆選區選出來的區域立委那前一陣子呢我前往了海大附中走了一趟那海大附中的校舍其實相當的老舊甚至有所謂消防安全的問題我們海大附中本來是所謂的基隆海市因為現在希望說能夠跟學校直接做連結所以變成是轉型成為海洋大學附屬高中\n455968\t483229\t那它現在既然已經變成一個基隆的重要學府不僅承載著本地教育的重任也是培養未來人才的重要基地不過假設說老實講沒有一個好的環境那我們對我們學生的受教權其實是有很大的影響校舍長期未進行全面的翻修導致結構老化設施陳舊校內消防設施的檢查和維護也存在嚴重不足\n483729\t488573\t部分消防栓老化失效緊急逃生設備配置不完善\n489960\t517298\t不是只有學生不安心 部長老師也不是很安心而且我也知道說學校這一點我們在教育部其實有在想辦法再改善尤其是說當我們現在已經看到很多現在有關AI的作業已經不是只有是在於大學才有甚至高中 甚至國中有些國中也是要做AI的東西但是你不能一天到晚就是期待說他們用自己的手機去學習這些東西\n520660\t546252\t所以說根據最近媒體報導全國有蠻多學校因為校舍老舊及消防設施不合格而被列為高風險場所請問部長假使萬一教育部是否能承擔這樣的責任呢那海大附中就以海大附中為例它作為基隆的教育重地是不是應該成為校舍的一個典範一個安全的榜樣而配風險來源\n548308\t571351\t跟委員報告事實上是一個海大附中我去過一次在一個季季競賽的時候我特別討厭因為它確實是因為風很大然後受了這個海風的影響校舍裡邊我們怎麼樣去給予一些必要的一個協助改善我想剛才包括委員所提的那些消防等等\n572092\t599782\t國教署在這個部分他們一直會把它這個做額外的有一些補充的一些經費那譬如說它的航海的實境這一個它已經在整個模擬這一個環境上事實上是都非常先進我想我們這一個部長我對於教學的內容我沒有什麼我沒有我對於教學內容還有未來教學的方向目的我沒有我覺得這是好的我這沒有意義只是說尷尬的是說東北季風來的時候雨水潑到走廊\n600302\t606567\t你有看過二三樓以上的教室教室外走廊居然要設排水溝才能讓師生安全通行嗎\n608000\t631682\t這個會不會太誇張了點我現在提的不是說我們的設施未來是說怎麼樣補助而是說最基本的安全最基本校舍的安全我想基隆當然是因為海大附中的確是比較特例但是像這樣的狀況我想全國應該有不少學校都有類似的狀況如果我的提議是說因為我是基隆的立委\n632122\t643435\t如果能夠把海大附中當作是一個典範當作一個校園安全的一個example那我想會對於整個教育部在接管的學校來講相對來講會是有一個好的作用 對吧\n647504\t664481\t我想我們的這個態度跟委員的想法是一致的我這邊提出三點具體要求第一點我認為教育部應該立即派遣專業團隊來全面檢視海大附中的校舍跟消防設施的現況並提供所謂的改善計畫第二點\n668979\t688076\t我認為教育部應盡速編列專項預算來啟動校舍翻修及消防設施更新工程為了確保第三個當然是確保我們的工程進度能夠透明並在合理的時間完成讓師生能夠早日擁有安全現代化的學習環境部長您認為呢\n691110\t713445\t方向是我們要努力的啦就是說剛剛委員講說這個組成團隊去現場去看到底要怎麼樣在安全跟消防上能夠獲得到改善我想我們會後我責成國教署馬上來組團隊兩週內就希望到這個海大附中裡面去看一下好 謝謝部長跟署長的回答\n","txt":"委員好 主席有請部長請部長備質詢 謝謝委員好部長\n請問您認為學生合理通勤的時間應該要多久一個學生從家裡到學校或從他居住的地方到學校合理通勤的時間應該要多久就國民教育來講因為他比較是社區性地區性所以相當程度我覺得都不應該在超過20分鐘\n我想大概是這樣如果他是社區性根據師範大學研究那個教育研究所的研究學生每日通勤時間如果超過兩個小時那他的學習效率將顯著的降低而且影響心理健康而\n部長學校不遠但學生很遠我們基隆作為北台灣重要的教育中心我們吸引了很多鄰近地區的學生來就讀但是金山跟萬里很多他們的學生是到基隆來就讀的那他們每天主要\n來基隆的交通是依賴所謂的國光客運跟基隆客運金山到基隆的通行時間差不多1.5個小時 足足90分鐘萬里到基隆也至少要差不多1到1.2個小時也就是60分鐘到80分鐘左右如果遇到說交通有阻塞還是天氣不佳通行時間可以延長到兩個小時以上所以說每天學生往返基隆市\n一來一往我們可能看到三到四個小時極大的壓縮學習跟休息時間另外一方面其實如果從NG基隆市的調查報告金山與萬里之間的國光客運在尖峰的時候形成擁擠所以導致不只是只有上班的人上班人難以準時到校學生更是難以準時到校甚至要提前搭乘更早的班車\n本席曾經在議會的時候曾經申請過所謂的萬里內湖跳蛙公車那通常最早5點15分搭的全部都是學生那請問部長如何具體解決這些學生與家長遇到的通勤困難呢\n謝謝委員提醒怎麼樣給這些高中學生有一個更好的一個交通移動的一個便利性我想因為客運通常是跨縣市那如果有市公車可能它的一個便利性但不管怎麼樣我想我們可以來跟地方政府來一起來協調看怎麼樣讓\n提供這些通勤的學生有一個更方便的一個交通使用的一個時間因為確實如果每天都是一個半小時那來回就三個小時他的休憩的時間跟他學習的時間我相信那個生活品質是不好的我們都聽過一個名詞叫做城市偏鄉\n那也就是說我在這邊看到是聯合報上面報導偏遠地區的學生因為交通的問題影響學習的情況是日益嚴重的尤其是非山非市的地區他們每天花費數小時通勤甚至有學生因為交通費用過高或者通勤時間過長而放棄本來就讀資源較好的學校\n所以很多家長建議政府應該補助學校提供使用專車服務讓學生能夠更快更安全的方式到校但是教育部在這邊也回應了回應了說在這個偏鄉及非山非市地區學生支持政策白皮書那可是\n老實說公平受教權對於偏遠地區的學生來講基本上是一個很嚴重的挑戰而且目前的補助政策多集中在教育在交通費用的補助而沒有有效的解決通勤時間過長的基本問題所以請問部長教育部是否有針對非山非市地區學生提供專車服務的具體規劃呢\n目前金山與萬里地區的學生是否有機會享受這一類的服務如果沒有的話是否可以把這需求納入未來的政策規劃\n我想提供專車服務那是一個可以做的一個目標我是不是請這個署長來補充說明一下好 謝謝委員那麼現在在提供專車服務的部分在飛山飛市跟偏鄉地區以學校為補助單位我們一年都有補助近千一二近億元的這個協助\n第二點從學生的角度看今天委員看一個學生雖然這個學校是飛山飛市可是他來還是會比較久這也是另外一個問題至於基隆這個地區我們盤點過4月9號開過一次會就前幾天其實去年開始我就一直幫這個地方開會現在在地方上的公車處還有中央的公車\n總處就是公路總局這兩個單位我們一起來協調有些是加開班次讓他上下學有比較密集的班次來做接送的服務當他沒有偏鄉跟非山非市的補助的時候可能他需要這一點所以就偏鄉非山非市跟即便不是偏鄉的不是非山非市的我們都一套整套來協助這是第一點在交通上\n第二點在資源的協助上還有一些教學的資源包含他的選修課程包含他學習歷程檔案需要更多給學生協助額外的補助這三個面向都有給予協助那麼以上這些補充後續今天下班前會跟委員做報告用書面的文件給您\n謝謝好 謝謝回答本席還是在這邊呼籲因為目前來講我們現在已經看到太多的案例已經清楚地顯示說交通問題對於學生教育的公平影響那本席呼籲教育部能夠正視所謂非山非市地區我相信不會金山萬里是因為在基隆市比較近 基隆市比較近而本席是基隆市的區域立委所以我比較能夠了解到金山萬里這一邊那可能我還沒有提到說瑞芳九\n瑞芳九份貢寮這邊的學生他們這邊也有學生想要過來那如果說能夠的話那推動補助學校提供專車服務並在長期的規劃上改善教育資源分布讓每個學生都能夠公平的享有受教育的權利我覺得這一點來講還請教育部多多照顧一下這些偏遠地區\n好 另外一方面就是本席我剛剛提過我是基隆選區選出來的區域立委那前一陣子呢我前往了海大附中走了一趟那海大附中的校舍其實相當的老舊甚至有所謂消防安全的問題我們海大附中本來是所謂的基隆海市因為現在希望說能夠跟學校直接做連結所以變成是轉型成為海洋大學附屬高中\n那它現在既然已經變成一個基隆的重要學府不僅承載著本地教育的重任也是培養未來人才的重要基地不過假設說老實講沒有一個好的環境那我們對我們學生的受教權其實是有很大的影響校舍長期未進行全面的翻修導致結構老化設施陳舊校內消防設施的檢查和維護也存在嚴重不足\n部分消防栓老化失效緊急逃生設備配置不完善\n不是只有學生不安心 部長老師也不是很安心而且我也知道說學校這一點我們在教育部其實有在想辦法再改善尤其是說當我們現在已經看到很多現在有關AI的作業已經不是只有是在於大學才有甚至高中 甚至國中有些國中也是要做AI的東西但是你不能一天到晚就是期待說他們用自己的手機去學習這些東西\n所以說根據最近媒體報導全國有蠻多學校因為校舍老舊及消防設施不合格而被列為高風險場所請問部長假使萬一教育部是否能承擔這樣的責任呢那海大附中就以海大附中為例它作為基隆的教育重地是不是應該成為校舍的一個典範一個安全的榜樣而配風險來源\n跟委員報告事實上是一個海大附中我去過一次在一個季季競賽的時候我特別討厭因為它確實是因為風很大然後受了這個海風的影響校舍裡邊我們怎麼樣去給予一些必要的一個協助改善我想剛才包括委員所提的那些消防等等\n國教署在這個部分他們一直會把它這個做額外的有一些補充的一些經費那譬如說它的航海的實境這一個它已經在整個模擬這一個環境上事實上是都非常先進我想我們這一個部長我對於教學的內容我沒有什麼我沒有我對於教學內容還有未來教學的方向目的我沒有我覺得這是好的我這沒有意義只是說尷尬的是說東北季風來的時候雨水潑到走廊\n你有看過二三樓以上的教室教室外走廊居然要設排水溝才能讓師生安全通行嗎\n這個會不會太誇張了點我現在提的不是說我們的設施未來是說怎麼樣補助而是說最基本的安全最基本校舍的安全我想基隆當然是因為海大附中的確是比較特例但是像這樣的狀況我想全國應該有不少學校都有類似的狀況如果我的提議是說因為我是基隆的立委\n如果能夠把海大附中當作是一個典範當作一個校園安全的一個example那我想會對於整個教育部在接管的學校來講相對來講會是有一個好的作用 對吧\n我想我們的這個態度跟委員的想法是一致的我這邊提出三點具體要求第一點我認為教育部應該立即派遣專業團隊來全面檢視海大附中的校舍跟消防設施的現況並提供所謂的改善計畫第二點\n我認為教育部應盡速編列專項預算來啟動校舍翻修及消防設施更新工程為了確保第三個當然是確保我們的工程進度能夠透明並在合理的時間完成讓師生能夠早日擁有安全現代化的學習環境部長您認為呢\n方向是我們要努力的啦就是說剛剛委員講說這個組成團隊去現場去看到底要怎麼樣在安全跟消防上能夠獲得到改善我想我們會後我責成國教署馬上來組團隊兩週內就希望到這個海大附中裡面去看一下好 謝謝部長跟署長的回答\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.109 --> 00:18.217\n委員好主席有請部長請部長備質詢謝謝委員好部長\n\n00:27.430 --> 00:48.522\n請問您認為學生合理通勤的時間應該要多久一個學生從家裡到學校或從他居住的地方到學校合理通勤的時間應該要多久就國民教育來講因為他比較是社區性地區性所以相當程度我覺得都不應該在超過20分鐘\n\n00:51.016 --> 01:07.548\n我想大概是這樣如果他是社區性根據師範大學研究那個教育研究所的研究學生每日通勤時間如果超過兩個小時那他的學習效率將顯著的降低而且影響心理健康而\n\n01:08.729 --> 01:28.028\n部長學校不遠但學生很遠我們基隆作為北台灣重要的教育中心我們吸引了很多鄰近地區的學生來就讀但是金山跟萬里很多他們的學生是到基隆來就讀的那他們每天主要\n\n01:29.089 --> 01:55.010\n來基隆的交通是依賴所謂的國光客運跟基隆客運金山到基隆的通行時間差不多1.5個小時足足90分鐘萬里到基隆也至少要差不多1到1.2個小時也就是60分鐘到80分鐘左右如果遇到說交通有阻塞還是天氣不佳通行時間可以延長到兩個小時以上所以說每天學生往返基隆市\n\n01:55.951 --> 02:20.712\n一來一往我們可能看到三到四個小時極大的壓縮學習跟休息時間另外一方面其實如果從NG基隆市的調查報告金山與萬里之間的國光客運在尖峰的時候形成擁擠所以導致不只是只有上班的人上班人難以準時到校學生更是難以準時到校甚至要提前搭乘更早的班車\n\n02:21.633 --> 02:38.996\n本席曾經在議會的時候曾經申請過所謂的萬里內湖跳蛙公車那通常最早5點15分搭的全部都是學生那請問部長如何具體解決這些學生與家長遇到的通勤困難呢\n\n02:41.768 --> 03:02.622\n謝謝委員提醒怎麼樣給這些高中學生有一個更好的一個交通移動的一個便利性我想因為客運通常是跨縣市那如果有市公車可能它的一個便利性但不管怎麼樣我想我們可以來跟地方政府來一起來協調看怎麼樣讓\n\n03:05.283 --> 03:25.132\n提供這些通勤的學生有一個更方便的一個交通使用的一個時間因為確實如果每天都是一個半小時那來回就三個小時他的休憩的時間跟他學習的時間我相信那個生活品質是不好的我們都聽過一個名詞叫做城市偏鄉\n\n03:26.292 --> 03:47.646\n那也就是說我在這邊看到是聯合報上面報導偏遠地區的學生因為交通的問題影響學習的情況是日益嚴重的尤其是非山非市的地區他們每天花費數小時通勤甚至有學生因為交通費用過高或者通勤時間過長而放棄本來就讀資源較好的學校\n\n03:48.286 --> 04:06.588\n所以很多家長建議政府應該補助學校提供使用專車服務讓學生能夠更快更安全的方式到校但是教育部在這邊也回應了回應了說在這個偏鄉及非山非市地區學生支持政策白皮書那可是\n\n04:07.864 --> 04:30.709\n老實說公平受教權對於偏遠地區的學生來講基本上是一個很嚴重的挑戰而且目前的補助政策多集中在教育在交通費用的補助而沒有有效的解決通勤時間過長的基本問題所以請問部長教育部是否有針對非山非市地區學生提供專車服務的具體規劃呢\n\n04:33.090 --> 04:42.175\n目前金山與萬里地區的學生是否有機會享受這一類的服務如果沒有的話是否可以把這需求納入未來的政策規劃\n\n04:44.025 --> 05:03.294\n我想提供專車服務那是一個可以做的一個目標我是不是請這個署長來補充說明一下好謝謝委員那麼現在在提供專車服務的部分在飛山飛市跟偏鄉地區以學校為補助單位我們一年都有補助近千一二近億元的這個協助\n\n05:04.915 --> 05:29.820\n第二點從學生的角度看今天委員看一個學生雖然這個學校是飛山飛市可是他來還是會比較久這也是另外一個問題至於基隆這個地區我們盤點過4月9號開過一次會就前幾天其實去年開始我就一直幫這個地方開會現在在地方上的公車處還有中央的公車\n\n05:31.859 --> 05:57.820\n總處就是公路總局這兩個單位我們一起來協調有些是加開班次讓他上下學有比較密集的班次來做接送的服務當他沒有偏鄉跟非山非市的補助的時候可能他需要這一點所以就偏鄉非山非市跟即便不是偏鄉的不是非山非市的我們都一套整套來協助這是第一點在交通上\n\n05:58.260 --> 06:18.400\n第二點在資源的協助上還有一些教學的資源包含他的選修課程包含他學習歷程檔案需要更多給學生協助額外的補助這三個面向都有給予協助那麼以上這些補充後續今天下班前會跟委員做報告用書面的文件給您\n\n06:19.421 --> 06:46.560\n謝謝好謝謝回答本席還是在這邊呼籲因為目前來講我們現在已經看到太多的案例已經清楚地顯示說交通問題對於學生教育的公平影響那本席呼籲教育部能夠正視所謂非山非市地區我相信不會金山萬里是因為在基隆市比較近基隆市比較近而本席是基隆市的區域立委所以我比較能夠了解到金山萬里這一邊那可能我還沒有提到說瑞芳九\n\n06:47.080 --> 07:08.429\n瑞芳九份貢寮這邊的學生他們這邊也有學生想要過來那如果說能夠的話那推動補助學校提供專車服務並在長期的規劃上改善教育資源分布讓每個學生都能夠公平的享有受教育的權利我覺得這一點來講還請教育部多多照顧一下這些偏遠地區\n\n07:09.549 --> 07:35.428\n好另外一方面就是本席我剛剛提過我是基隆選區選出來的區域立委那前一陣子呢我前往了海大附中走了一趟那海大附中的校舍其實相當的老舊甚至有所謂消防安全的問題我們海大附中本來是所謂的基隆海市因為現在希望說能夠跟學校直接做連結所以變成是轉型成為海洋大學附屬高中\n\n07:35.968 --> 08:03.229\n那它現在既然已經變成一個基隆的重要學府不僅承載著本地教育的重任也是培養未來人才的重要基地不過假設說老實講沒有一個好的環境那我們對我們學生的受教權其實是有很大的影響校舍長期未進行全面的翻修導致結構老化設施陳舊校內消防設施的檢查和維護也存在嚴重不足\n\n08:03.729 --> 08:08.573\n部分消防栓老化失效緊急逃生設備配置不完善\n\n08:09.960 --> 08:37.298\n不是只有學生不安心部長老師也不是很安心而且我也知道說學校這一點我們在教育部其實有在想辦法再改善尤其是說當我們現在已經看到很多現在有關AI的作業已經不是只有是在於大學才有甚至高中甚至國中有些國中也是要做AI的東西但是你不能一天到晚就是期待說他們用自己的手機去學習這些東西\n\n08:40.660 --> 09:06.252\n所以說根據最近媒體報導全國有蠻多學校因為校舍老舊及消防設施不合格而被列為高風險場所請問部長假使萬一教育部是否能承擔這樣的責任呢那海大附中就以海大附中為例它作為基隆的教育重地是不是應該成為校舍的一個典範一個安全的榜樣而配風險來源\n\n09:08.308 --> 09:31.351\n跟委員報告事實上是一個海大附中我去過一次在一個季季競賽的時候我特別討厭因為它確實是因為風很大然後受了這個海風的影響校舍裡邊我們怎麼樣去給予一些必要的一個協助改善我想剛才包括委員所提的那些消防等等\n\n09:32.092 --> 09:59.782\n國教署在這個部分他們一直會把它這個做額外的有一些補充的一些經費那譬如說它的航海的實境這一個它已經在整個模擬這一個環境上事實上是都非常先進我想我們這一個部長我對於教學的內容我沒有什麼我沒有我對於教學內容還有未來教學的方向目的我沒有我覺得這是好的我這沒有意義只是說尷尬的是說東北季風來的時候雨水潑到走廊\n\n10:00.302 --> 10:06.567\n你有看過二三樓以上的教室教室外走廊居然要設排水溝才能讓師生安全通行嗎\n\n10:08.000 --> 10:31.682\n這個會不會太誇張了點我現在提的不是說我們的設施未來是說怎麼樣補助而是說最基本的安全最基本校舍的安全我想基隆當然是因為海大附中的確是比較特例但是像這樣的狀況我想全國應該有不少學校都有類似的狀況如果我的提議是說因為我是基隆的立委\n\n10:32.122 --> 10:43.435\n如果能夠把海大附中當作是一個典範當作一個校園安全的一個example那我想會對於整個教育部在接管的學校來講相對來講會是有一個好的作用對吧\n\n10:47.504 --> 11:04.481\n我想我們的這個態度跟委員的想法是一致的我這邊提出三點具體要求第一點我認為教育部應該立即派遣專業團隊來全面檢視海大附中的校舍跟消防設施的現況並提供所謂的改善計畫第二點\n\n11:08.979 --> 11:28.076\n我認為教育部應盡速編列專項預算來啟動校舍翻修及消防設施更新工程為了確保第三個當然是確保我們的工程進度能夠透明並在合理的時間完成讓師生能夠早日擁有安全現代化的學習環境部長您認為呢\n\n11:31.110 --> 11:53.445\n方向是我們要努力的啦就是說剛剛委員講說這個組成團隊去現場去看到底要怎麼樣在安全跟消防上能夠獲得到改善我想我們會後我責成國教署馬上來組團隊兩週內就希望到這個海大附中裡面去看一下好謝謝部長跟署長的回答\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.109,"end":18.217,"text":"委員好 主席有請部長請部長備質詢 謝謝委員好部長"},{"start":27.43,"end":48.522,"text":"請問您認為學生合理通勤的時間應該要多久一個學生從家裡到學校或從他居住的地方到學校合理通勤的時間應該要多久就國民教育來講因為他比較是社區性地區性所以相當程度我覺得都不應該在超過20分鐘"},{"start":51.016,"end":67.548,"text":"我想大概是這樣如果他是社區性根據師範大學研究那個教育研究所的研究學生每日通勤時間如果超過兩個小時那他的學習效率將顯著的降低而且影響心理健康而"},{"start":68.729,"end":88.028,"text":"部長學校不遠但學生很遠我們基隆作為北台灣重要的教育中心我們吸引了很多鄰近地區的學生來就讀但是金山跟萬里很多他們的學生是到基隆來就讀的那他們每天主要"},{"start":89.089,"end":115.01,"text":"來基隆的交通是依賴所謂的國光客運跟基隆客運金山到基隆的通行時間差不多1.5個小時 足足90分鐘萬里到基隆也至少要差不多1到1.2個小時也就是60分鐘到80分鐘左右如果遇到說交通有阻塞還是天氣不佳通行時間可以延長到兩個小時以上所以說每天學生往返基隆市"},{"start":115.951,"end":140.712,"text":"一來一往我們可能看到三到四個小時極大的壓縮學習跟休息時間另外一方面其實如果從NG基隆市的調查報告金山與萬里之間的國光客運在尖峰的時候形成擁擠所以導致不只是只有上班的人上班人難以準時到校學生更是難以準時到校甚至要提前搭乘更早的班車"},{"start":141.633,"end":158.996,"text":"本席曾經在議會的時候曾經申請過所謂的萬里內湖跳蛙公車那通常最早5點15分搭的全部都是學生那請問部長如何具體解決這些學生與家長遇到的通勤困難呢"},{"start":161.768,"end":182.622,"text":"謝謝委員提醒怎麼樣給這些高中學生有一個更好的一個交通移動的一個便利性我想因為客運通常是跨縣市那如果有市公車可能它的一個便利性但不管怎麼樣我想我們可以來跟地方政府來一起來協調看怎麼樣讓"},{"start":185.283,"end":205.132,"text":"提供這些通勤的學生有一個更方便的一個交通使用的一個時間因為確實如果每天都是一個半小時那來回就三個小時他的休憩的時間跟他學習的時間我相信那個生活品質是不好的我們都聽過一個名詞叫做城市偏鄉"},{"start":206.292,"end":227.646,"text":"那也就是說我在這邊看到是聯合報上面報導偏遠地區的學生因為交通的問題影響學習的情況是日益嚴重的尤其是非山非市的地區他們每天花費數小時通勤甚至有學生因為交通費用過高或者通勤時間過長而放棄本來就讀資源較好的學校"},{"start":228.286,"end":246.588,"text":"所以很多家長建議政府應該補助學校提供使用專車服務讓學生能夠更快更安全的方式到校但是教育部在這邊也回應了回應了說在這個偏鄉及非山非市地區學生支持政策白皮書那可是"},{"start":247.864,"end":270.709,"text":"老實說公平受教權對於偏遠地區的學生來講基本上是一個很嚴重的挑戰而且目前的補助政策多集中在教育在交通費用的補助而沒有有效的解決通勤時間過長的基本問題所以請問部長教育部是否有針對非山非市地區學生提供專車服務的具體規劃呢"},{"start":273.09,"end":282.175,"text":"目前金山與萬里地區的學生是否有機會享受這一類的服務如果沒有的話是否可以把這需求納入未來的政策規劃"},{"start":284.025,"end":303.294,"text":"我想提供專車服務那是一個可以做的一個目標我是不是請這個署長來補充說明一下好 謝謝委員那麼現在在提供專車服務的部分在飛山飛市跟偏鄉地區以學校為補助單位我們一年都有補助近千一二近億元的這個協助"},{"start":304.915,"end":329.82,"text":"第二點從學生的角度看今天委員看一個學生雖然這個學校是飛山飛市可是他來還是會比較久這也是另外一個問題至於基隆這個地區我們盤點過4月9號開過一次會就前幾天其實去年開始我就一直幫這個地方開會現在在地方上的公車處還有中央的公車"},{"start":331.859,"end":357.82,"text":"總處就是公路總局這兩個單位我們一起來協調有些是加開班次讓他上下學有比較密集的班次來做接送的服務當他沒有偏鄉跟非山非市的補助的時候可能他需要這一點所以就偏鄉非山非市跟即便不是偏鄉的不是非山非市的我們都一套整套來協助這是第一點在交通上"},{"start":358.26,"end":378.4,"text":"第二點在資源的協助上還有一些教學的資源包含他的選修課程包含他學習歷程檔案需要更多給學生協助額外的補助這三個面向都有給予協助那麼以上這些補充後續今天下班前會跟委員做報告用書面的文件給您"},{"start":379.421,"end":406.56,"text":"謝謝好 謝謝回答本席還是在這邊呼籲因為目前來講我們現在已經看到太多的案例已經清楚地顯示說交通問題對於學生教育的公平影響那本席呼籲教育部能夠正視所謂非山非市地區我相信不會金山萬里是因為在基隆市比較近 基隆市比較近而本席是基隆市的區域立委所以我比較能夠了解到金山萬里這一邊那可能我還沒有提到說瑞芳九"},{"start":407.08,"end":428.429,"text":"瑞芳九份貢寮這邊的學生他們這邊也有學生想要過來那如果說能夠的話那推動補助學校提供專車服務並在長期的規劃上改善教育資源分布讓每個學生都能夠公平的享有受教育的權利我覺得這一點來講還請教育部多多照顧一下這些偏遠地區"},{"start":429.549,"end":455.428,"text":"好 另外一方面就是本席我剛剛提過我是基隆選區選出來的區域立委那前一陣子呢我前往了海大附中走了一趟那海大附中的校舍其實相當的老舊甚至有所謂消防安全的問題我們海大附中本來是所謂的基隆海市因為現在希望說能夠跟學校直接做連結所以變成是轉型成為海洋大學附屬高中"},{"start":455.968,"end":483.229,"text":"那它現在既然已經變成一個基隆的重要學府不僅承載著本地教育的重任也是培養未來人才的重要基地不過假設說老實講沒有一個好的環境那我們對我們學生的受教權其實是有很大的影響校舍長期未進行全面的翻修導致結構老化設施陳舊校內消防設施的檢查和維護也存在嚴重不足"},{"start":483.729,"end":488.573,"text":"部分消防栓老化失效緊急逃生設備配置不完善"},{"start":489.96,"end":517.298,"text":"不是只有學生不安心 部長老師也不是很安心而且我也知道說學校這一點我們在教育部其實有在想辦法再改善尤其是說當我們現在已經看到很多現在有關AI的作業已經不是只有是在於大學才有甚至高中 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