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00:00:44,655\n教育部賴政府預計什麼時候會發這3%的加薪的薪水因為外界非常關注軍公教加薪3%的資金跟委員報告我們會配合人總的通知我們會加薪的部分我們會來補花是如果說繼續往後延那教育部這裡有沒有什麼立場要去跟人總講\n\n4\n00:01:13,357 --> 00:01:28,531\n因為整個公教人員的調薪是配合整個行政院那人總會就公務人員跟老師的部分做統一的一個規範那目前就我們這邊了解行政院這邊的相關還沒有下來\n\n5\n00:01:29,324 --> 00:01:56,130\n還沒有下來我希望教育部能夠盡速去催一催這是攸關我們所有教師的權益那我在這邊也要提醒其實政府作為雇主持發薪水欠薪的這個事情看起來現在政府好像都撇清責任認為說這個持發薪水欠薪沒有關係如果說這件事情同樣發生在一般民間企業雇主的身上的話您知道會違反什麼法規嗎\n\n6\n00:02:00,944 --> 00:02:26,143\n基本上就是違反勞基法雇主本來就有按其給付薪水的義務我覺得我們居公教的人特別可憐就是因為我們的雇主是政府所以政府是完全不受任何勞基法或是相關法規的依據這個政府愛遲發薪水就遲發薪水明明預算都已經通過了就應該要趕快發然後也不發不曉得在拖什麼\n\n7\n00:02:27,608 --> 00:02:54,143\n那麼我希望教育部部長你作為就是維護我們所有這個教師人員的大家長應該要向行政院去反映該補發給老師們的薪水就要趕快來補發不要再繼續拖延下去了好那接下來我要再講一個議題就是其實教師的這些年的薪資待遇看起來民進黨政府雖然有調升\n\n8\n00:02:55,444 --> 00:03:01,388\n可是調色的比例是相當少的我們可以看一下這個整個24年來我們的新枝漲幅看起來是有達到27%這是20幾年來那麼我這裡當然主要是以最高縫點為例以教授最高縫點為例可是我們接下來再看27%算多嗎看看我們的\n\n9\n00:03:23,097 --> 00:03:49,395\nCPI我们的消费者物价指数的年增率从民国90年到113年我们的CPI成长率是高达32%也就是说我们现在的调薪其实是远远赶不上我们的消费者物价指数赶不上我们的通膨的几乎全部都被吃掉了严格来说可能公教人员的薪资待遇还是成负成长\n\n10\n00:03:50,746 --> 00:03:59,451\n我們再來看一看基本工資的調薪吧我們的基本工資在這24年裡面漲幅高達80%所以一般的業界勞工的員工他們領的薪水的漲幅是高於公教人員的\n\n11\n00:04:12,745 --> 00:04:35,894\n我現在要談的一件事情就是其實現在大學裡面人才流失的問題非常嚴重我想請教部長除了在您的報告裡面講的我們要有激勵薪資要什麼談心這些結構之外還有沒有正本清源的做法就是要從本縫開始調請問部長您的意見\n\n12\n00:04:40,965 --> 00:05:01,480\n當然過去我們軍工教的這個薪水他是一致的等於說他是共同在處理那對於大學這個區塊我想我們怎麼樣去跟產業的快速的發展特別科技產業所帶來這個理工老師的這些喜多的一些甚至這個\n\n13\n00:05:02,481 --> 00:05:29,534\n包含我相信包含年輕到現在在聘一些這個steam的這些老師都面臨一些挑戰我們確實內部也在思考我們怎麼樣給一些不管是外籍老師新進的嚴聘的人才包含本國籍我們怎麼樣給有一個新的除了他現有的薪資彈性薪資還能夠對他未來的這個離退的一個經會有一個更多的一些支持力量\n\n14\n00:05:30,054 --> 00:05:52,226\n以立大學端能夠延攬人才這事實上是我們內部最近一直在緊密討論的一個議題部長您剛也有談到對於教師的福利不是只有在現在的薪資可能還涉及到相關的各個退休制度還有平常的福利補助譬如說以育嬰假來講好了\n\n15\n00:05:53,567 --> 00:06:13,591\n您要知道就是現在我們公教人員的問題在於我們的本縫長期以來都沒什麼調整我剛剛前面回到前面的PPT我現在講的漲幅27%的這個部分是屬於只有條本縫但是即便是我們以教授最高薪資來看770個縫點他還是\n\n16\n00:06:17,232 --> 00:06:25,920\n因為到時候算這個退休金以及再算各式各樣的福利補助的時候都是以本縫來計算這個部分其實長期以來我們就已經是偏低了在整個社會的薪資平均所得來講我認為已經不算是在前面的我還是以教育人員的最高縫點來算所以呢本席的建議是說\n\n17\n00:06:41,855 --> 00:06:57,561\n每年都會召開軍公教的待遇薪資協調會議教育部也會有代表也會有教師代表我希望教育部能夠在這樣子的一個會議裡面要能夠這個真的是出來說些正義的話否則我們接下來會面臨到一個很大的問題我們以後大學聘不到老師啊\n\n18\n00:07:05,595 --> 00:07:25,287\n现在的学生们毕业了根本不太想再出国去留学因为到业界的拿的待遇都比在学校里的待遇要好这个会造成一个恶性循环这不是透过靠什么学术家籍的补贴或者弹性薪资他可以去弥补这样子的一个问题\n\n19\n00:07:26,665 --> 00:07:44,282\n那麼本席是希望教育部基本上能夠提出一個真正如何能夠調整我們教師薪資待遇的一個好的一個政策方案那麼是不是可以在會後可以再給我一份更\n\n20\n00:07:45,203 --> 00:07:48,745\n細緻的一個更詳細的一個報告對於這20年來我們的教育人員的薪資調整的這個結構以及他相關的這個問題麻煩可能在一個月之內再提供給本席這樣的報告\n\n21\n00:08:01,437 --> 00:08:17,990\n好謝謝部長沒有問題吧沒有問題您這份報告的話今天也可以先送給行政院院長卓榮泰過目之後您再給我讓他也多了解一下我們現在教育人員到底有哪些地方不合理的就薪資待遇顯不合理的地方好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6247\t6568\t有請部長請部長備質詢 謝謝\n13700\t36390\t委員好部長好我想首先問您一個就是跟所有的公教人員特別老師們有關的一個事情就是行政院其實在去年年底的時候就已經公布軍公教人員要加薪3%那到目前在3月21號的時候總統府也都正式的對外公布新的114年總預算案已經通過了那請問一下\n39632\t44655\t教育部 賴政府 預計什麼時候會發這3%的加薪的薪水因為外界非常關注軍公教加薪3%的資金跟委員報告 我們會配合人總的通知我們會加薪的部分 我們會來補花是 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