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00:01:41,216\n報告委員我們學校有支持的部分就是說學校要提供學生跟教師的一個專業的一個發展的支持好謝謝那我們來看你這個應該是配合2030年的雙語政策嘛對不對這個是2030年雙語國家的目標說要全面啟動教育體系的雙語活化要培養台灣走向世界雙語人才而且要讓學生在生活中應用英語那我不知道部長你對這個目標有信心嗎\n\n4\n00:01:42,563 --> 00:01:47,415\n你覺得在2030年可以讓我們台灣變成在生活中都可以應用英語嗎\n\n5\n00:01:48,410 --> 00:02:13,176\n我跟我們報告我的語言的學習當然不是一朝一夕你們訂的目標嘛2030年的雙語國標目標還有五年我想朝那個方向來努力但是如果如果訂的目標都說努力然後達不到就說我們再延十年有許多政策當然可以做滾動式的修正好謝謝那接下來部長來看一下這是有一些學生的反應就是說\n\n6\n00:02:14,369 --> 00:02:34,446\n有一些課程譬如說像國文或者是裝巡哲學甚至就我了解有些什麼新聞系新聞採訪都用全英文來教這個有一些課程用中文教可能大家像哲學的東西用中文教也許比較適合但是硬要用英文去教\n\n7\n00:02:35,146 --> 00:02:46,765\n那部長覺得用全英文教哲學或者是全英文教新聞採訪我們新聞採訪應該是中文的新聞稿啦但是用英文去教您覺得這樣子有達到您想要的目標嗎\n\n8\n00:02:48,902 --> 00:03:07,237\n我想不管用什麼樣的語言老師的教學要確保學生能夠學到也就是說這一個語言它在這個教學的過程裡面要產生真正的教學目標設定的教學效果我想這才是一個重點所以重點是你如果開雙尋哲學你的\n\n9\n00:03:08,118 --> 00:03:36,627\n第一前提應該是要先學會裝循哲學嘛你學新聞採訪你第一原則是要把中文的新聞採訪寫作寫好的所以我想要跟委員報告的就是說大學裡邊當他在為了這個年輕世代的年輕人他能夠走向國際但是不要忘掉他的教學裡邊一定要後端真正對教學品質要能夠掌握那我們來看一下學生在網路上一些回饋\n\n10\n00:03:37,907 --> 00:03:59,220\n譬如說這是某國立大學學生講的他說有一些課程講中文都不一定聽懂了還要花很多心力翻成中文然後有一些老師為了令英文授課補助不願意在課堂說中文那他覺得這個政策不好這是其中一個我們再來看別的\n\n11\n00:04:00,342 --> 00:04:14,734\n左邊EMI就是你們這個計畫嘛對不對他說沒有人想要聽台式英文加國小巨型加專有名詞那硬要搞國際化但是班上一個外籍生都沒有那還不如去看\n\n12\n00:04:15,675 --> 00:04:39,781\n印度的YouTube右邊也是都在講軟體課要用英文上乾脆去用YT看印度人教學右下方說大一到大二他覺得這個狀況越來越嚴重我有看到有一些老師也有反應他說如果我們要朝向國際化不是用英文教學就好而是研究跟教學都要和國際接軌換句話說\n\n13\n00:04:42,442 --> 00:05:10,083\n現在在推這個雙語教育我覺得可能利益良善因為目的是要跟國際接軌那全英文上課如果老師可以講得很好學生也都可以吸收這個一方面可以學到本科二方面可以加強英文這我們都支持但現在看起來實務上面跟我們的理想有很大的落差那我在想說部長要不要去了解一下現在執行上到底有遇到什麼問題有沒有學校或者是什麼\n\n14\n00:05:11,424 --> 00:05:37,854\n機構他們為了要請你這個補助然後反而讓學生沒有學到應該學的知識我們回去了解一下好不好那再來喔來我們來看一下這個大學的部分嘛那其實現在國高中以下因為之前我知道部長您從善如流啦因為之前有些國小他們國小國中他用英文教比如英文教自然或英文教數學後來你把它取消了嘛\n\n15\n00:05:38,427 --> 00:06:05,596\n因為我有一個同學他的小孩就是被選到實驗班一開始老師用英文教自然全部全班聽不懂都在放空後來英文教一遍中文再教一遍英文的時候再放空中文勉強聽一下然後後來用就改成全部用中文所以您現在高中以下就要求不要全英文教學嘛對吧我們大概根文好那這個不想說我一次講完但是你看最近這個\n\n16\n00:06:07,109 --> 00:06:27,151\n這個是聯合報引述大考中心的資料學測英文成績現在兩極化了五級分以下的跟十一級分以上的都明顯比就一百一四年度都比一百零七學年度明顯兩極化都高很多那有人的分析就是說就是因為當然有的學生他\n\n17\n00:06:28,132 --> 00:06:38,243\n變好了可是也有一些學生因為提早放棄了嘛覺得這個全英文或者是相關的他覺得比較困難就提早放棄所以反而造成這個兩極化我不知道部長有注意到這個現象嗎\n\n18\n00:06:40,271 --> 00:07:06,207\n跟委員報告根據我們這個13年的一個數據金手的事實上這個會考他已經在提升了你說明一下我簡單跟委員報告11級分以上有提升委員您今天提的是學測這個我們會跟高教師一起來繼續來努力但是可能委員中間有一段叫做會考的這件事我們查了一下以前\n\n19\n00:07:07,228 --> 00:07:34,366\n然後十年後他有整個往上高的已經增加了百分之五點多低的減少了百分之四所以整個有往上至於學這這個你這個學英文是延續的嗎那這也是很奇怪的啊國中的時候會考都兩邊都往上然後到高中五級分就變多那所以問題是出在高中嗎英文你一定從小學英文你的英文是累積的嘛\n\n20\n00:07:35,427 --> 00:07:47,083\n所以這就會有一個很大的問題啊請部長再去了解一下好不好然後你們現在講說按照你們報告現在全英語的教學有到七成請問全英語教學的七成是什麼意思\n\n21\n00:07:48,598 --> 00:08:09,052\n全英語教英文課到七成是什麼意思報告委員根據那個BritishCouncil給我們的建議以全英文授課的話大概裡頭英文所使用的一個比例佔比大概是70%以上什麼意思就是整堂課是說這堂課這個老師七成用英語教學三成用中文是不是\n\n22\n00:08:09,472 --> 00:08:27,584\n就是七成以上這樣子的是屬於全英的一個定義的?他是什麼意思?就是說這堂課老師從頭到尾都講英文然後全台灣有七成的班級是這樣還是說這一堂課那個老師七成他是講英文三成是講中文是什麼意思?\n\n23\n00:08:28,024 --> 00:08:48,316\n就是剛才委員所講的這個後者就是說如果他是使用英文授課的話七成以上他在這堂課那個老師本身在這堂課七成講英文要講清楚啦因為這個數據出來的時候大家都覺得說有嗎我覺得要講清楚啦英文課當然七成是英文我覺得這也沒有什麼不可能英文課都講中文吧\n\n24\n00:08:49,336 --> 00:09:18,235\n英文課當然都講英文了然後再來我想請教一個部長你之前剛上任的時候我印象當中你說要把陸森來台當作你的首要目標那當然現在因為兩岸關係不好啦所以沒辦法這也不能怪你啦不過我看到你的報告裡面有提到一點說要嚴疫招收境外第三地陸森來台就學可行性因為我第一個就是說這個東西應該是無法取代陸森直接過來嘛\n\n25\n00:09:19,516 --> 00:09:42,868\n以前台灣在全盛時期有一些私立學校他們全校都有一千個以上入生其實那個對學校的財務支持幫助很大但你如果以這個第三地入生這個會有多少人你有評估過嗎我以前也在美國讀書也認識很多入生啊你說要請他們來台灣讀書可行性會有嗎你預計要照多少啊\n\n26\n00:09:44,423 --> 00:09:55,814\n跟委員報告確實因為兩岸的關係現在是比較緊張的大陸這一個部分他並沒有開放陸生來台大陸只是我們在一個想像有人願意來到台灣來修讀一些相關的課程或者甚至\n\n27\n00:10:07,566 --> 00:10:22,625\n他喜歡的一些系所的一些課我們當然不排斥但是以現在來看這個第三地看起來目前來講可行性也是比較弱的那比較弱你還寫在你的報告裡面所以沒有要做這件事嘛\n\n28\n00:10:23,286 --> 00:10:48,113\n不排斥不是報告不是臭字數我現在問你都覺得不可能你還演繹然後我還花時間問你我想說這個到底是什麼花時間問你你說反正你說不可能不可能你寫在裡面幹嘛好那再來我來問最後一點時間來問一個幼教的問題因為現在普遍來說幼兒園面臨到一個狀況就是他們很難找教保員這個我不知道段老師你知道這個問題嗎\n\n29\n00:10:51,604 --> 00:11:12,461\n教保員現在非常難找那當然他有很多原因啦一方面是可能少子化也是原因第二個就是有一些本科系的學生畢業之後不願意投入這個行業啦還有大環境對於教保員也不是很友善之前民進黨的立委啊還民進黨議員還造謠說教保員餵小朋友餵毒啊\n\n30\n00:11:13,257 --> 00:11:29,587\n然後讓教保員也非常灰心對學生這麼的愛心很多教保員是第二媽媽結果被民進黨立委造謠說他們未讀然後讓小朋友安靜比較好帶我也沒有看到那些民進黨的立委跟議員有出來道歉\n\n31\n00:11:30,387 --> 00:11:57,816\n其實這個都是造成大環境不友善的原因之一那現在教育部有推很多新的政策出來比如說師生比1比12嘛那當然是這個站在家長的角度師生比越低當然是越好啦然後那但是就是因為這個師生比的問題導致於也出現一些狀況我現在不是說1比12不好喔我覺得1比12這個師生比越低當然越好但是他的配套要做好比如說第一個\n\n32\n00:11:59,141 --> 00:12:20,029\n他出現的狀況是1比12之後老師更難找了嘛老師更難找第二個是現在出現很多半班一師的狀況因為以前一班二十四個人嘛一班二十四個人然後現在因為沒有老師啊所以就變成半班一一班二十四人現在變成然後兩個老師現在變一個老師十二十二個學生那一個老師十二個學生\n\n33\n00:12:21,052 --> 00:12:49,336\n老師沒辦法替換嘛老師臨時有事上個廁所也沒有人幫他照顧以前兩個老師帶二十四個人大家彼此可以支援一下這個都是問題啦然後還有現在教育部還有一個新的政策就是教保員不能帶大班你現在大班的老師必須要求要合格的教師就是有受過師培訓練對吧這個部長你知道嗎那很多教保員就覺得有點莫名啦\n\n34\n00:12:49,895 --> 00:12:58,236\n因為他們從幼幼班兩歲專班開始帶兩歲帶完然後小班帶完中班帶來忽然間大班他不能帶沒有資格了\n\n35\n00:12:59,309 --> 00:13:25,731\n我目前緩衝十年啦我知道緩衝十年啦可是你這個規定他們就覺得很奇怪啊為什麼會有這個規定從幼幼班到中班都可以帶只有大班不能帶然後因為找不到人所以緩衝十年那這個政策當初推出的時候就沒有想清楚嘛然後再來就是教保員教保員是指幼教系畢業的也不夠所以現在很多幼兒園裡面都是代理教保員因為\n\n36\n00:13:28,420 --> 00:13:39,695\n問題很多好不好我覺得很多政策訂出來之後要去實際了解他們執行的狀況那如果說發現有問題那我們要提出一些對策譬如說\n\n37\n00:13:41,428 --> 00:14:08,999\n我們要怎麼樣增加比如幼保系的學生他畢業之後他願意到幼兒園服務因為就我了解現在他們是有實習課程可是他們實習課程很多都只是在班外面觀察而已啊那用看的看來看去沒有什麼興趣嘛所以怎麼樣讓他們連結這個職業讓他覺得說願意讀完之後投入這個產業然後想辦法讓本科系的畢業生願意投入這個職場我覺得很重要啊\n\n38\n00:14:10,236 --> 00:14:24,695\n所以是不是可以請我剛剛點問題因為主席也站起來我剛剛的問題點出來可不可以請部長針對我剛剛提的這些幼教的問題可不可以也是提一些對策出來好不好可以嗎跟委員報告剛剛提的\n\n39\n00:14:24,955 --> 00:14:26,336\n謝謝葉元芝委員資訊部會官員請回座\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11144\t16107\t主席好 麻煩請我們鄭部長有請鄭部長備質詢 謝謝委員好部長好 先跟您請教一下我們在大學雙語教育的問題這是我們教育部的報告裡面提到了因為我們要培養具國際溝通力的專業人才有三個原則第一個 學生有選擇教師有準備 學校有支持對吧 什麼是部長請問什麼叫做學生有選擇\n45378\t69301\t就是說我們在開課的時候他有全英文的也有一些中文的課所以他可以選擇全英語或中文嘛對吧那教室有準備老師基本上就我的理解大學裡面當然也是老師可以有能力他也願意開有能力願意開課就是他上這個英文他準備好嘛學校支持是指經費的支持嗎\n72814\t101216\t報告委員 我們學校有支持的部分就是說學校要提供學生跟教師的一個專業的一個發展的支持好 謝謝那我們來看你這個應該是配合2030年的雙語政策嘛 對不對這個是2030年雙語國家的目標說要全面啟動教育體系的雙語活化要培養台灣走向世界雙語人才而且要讓學生在生活中應用英語那我不知道部長你對這個目標有信心嗎\n102563\t107415\t你覺得在2030年可以讓我們台灣變成在生活中都可以應用英語嗎\n108410\t133176\t我跟我們報告我的語言的學習當然不是一朝一夕你們訂的目標嘛2030年的雙語國標目標還有五年我想朝那個方向來努力但是如果如果訂的目標都說努力然後達不到就說我們再延十年有許多政策當然可以做滾動式的修正好 謝謝那接下來部長來看一下這是有一些學生的反應就是說\n134369\t154446\t有一些課程譬如說像國文或者是裝巡哲學甚至就我了解有些什麼新聞系新聞採訪都用全英文來教這個有一些課程用中文教可能大家像哲學的東西用中文教也許比較適合但是硬要用英文去教\n155146\t166765\t那部長覺得用全英文教哲學或者是全英文教新聞採訪我們新聞採訪應該是中文的新聞稿啦但是用英文去教您覺得這樣子有達到您想要的目標嗎\n168902\t187237\t我想不管用什麼樣的語言老師的教學要確保學生能夠學到也就是說這一個語言它在這個教學的過程裡面要產生真正的教學目標設定的教學效果我想這才是一個重點所以重點是你如果開雙尋哲學你的\n188118\t216627\t第一前提應該是要先學會裝循哲學嘛你學新聞採訪你第一原則是要把中文的新聞採訪寫作寫好的所以我想要跟委員報告的就是說大學裡邊當他在為了這個年輕世代的年輕人他能夠走向國際但是不要忘掉他的教學裡邊一定要後端真正對教學品質要能夠掌握那我們來看一下學生在網路上一些回饋\n217907\t239220\t譬如說這是某國立大學學生講的他說有一些課程講中文都不一定聽懂了還要花很多心力翻成中文然後有一些老師為了令英文授課補助不願意在課堂說中文那他覺得這個政策不好這是其中一個我們再來看別的\n240342\t254734\t左邊EMI就是你們這個計畫嘛 對不對他說沒有人想要聽台式英文加國小巨型 加專有名詞那硬要搞國際化但是班上一個外籍生都沒有那還不如去看\n255675\t279781\t印度的YouTube右邊也是都在講軟體課要用英文上乾脆去用YT看印度人教學右下方說大一到大二他覺得這個狀況越來越嚴重我有看到有一些老師也有反應他說如果我們要朝向國際化不是用英文教學就好而是研究跟教學都要和國際接軌換句話說\n282442\t310083\t現在在推這個雙語教育我覺得可能利益良善因為目的是要跟國際接軌那全英文上課如果老師可以講得很好學生也都可以吸收這個一方面可以學到本科二方面可以加強英文這我們都支持但現在看起來實務上面跟我們的理想有很大的落差那我在想說部長要不要去了解一下現在執行上到底有遇到什麼問題有沒有學校或者是什麼\n311424\t337854\t機構他們為了要請你這個補助然後反而讓學生沒有學到應該學的知識我們回去了解一下好不好那再來喔來我們來看一下這個大學的部分嘛那其實現在國高中以下因為之前我知道部長您從善如流啦因為之前有些國小他們國小國中他用英文教比如英文教自然或英文教數學後來你把它取消了嘛\n338427\t365596\t因為我有一個同學他的小孩就是被選到實驗班一開始老師用英文教自然全部全班聽不懂都在放空後來英文教一遍中文再教一遍英文的時候再放空中文勉強聽一下然後後來用就改成全部用中文所以您現在高中以下就要求不要全英文教學嘛對吧我們大概根文好 那這個不想說我一次講完但是你看最近這個\n367109\t387151\t這個是聯合報引述大考中心的資料學測英文成績現在兩極化了五級分以下的跟十一級分以上的都明顯比就一百一四年度都比一百零七學年度明顯兩極化都高很多那有人的分析就是說就是因為當然有的學生他\n388132\t398243\t變好了可是也有一些學生因為提早放棄了嘛覺得這個全英文或者是相關的他覺得比較困難就提早放棄所以反而造成這個兩極化我不知道部長有注意到這個現象嗎\n400271\t426207\t跟委員報告根據我們這個13年的一個數據金手的事實上這個會考他已經在提升了你說明一下我簡單跟委員報告11級分以上有提升委員您今天提的是學測這個我們會跟高教師一起來繼續來努力但是可能委員中間有一段叫做會考的這件事我們查了一下以前\n427228\t454366\t然後十年後他有整個往上高的已經增加了百分之五點多低的減少了百分之四所以整個有往上至於學這這個你這個學英文是延續的嗎那這也是很奇怪的啊國中的時候會考都兩邊都往上然後到高中五級分就變多那所以問題是出在高中嗎英文你一定從小學英文你的英文是累積的嘛\n455427\t467083\t所以這就會有一個很大的問題啊請部長再去了解一下好不好然後你們現在講說按照你們報告現在全英語的教學有到七成請問全英語教學的七成是什麼意思\n468598\t489052\t全英語教英文課到七成是什麼意思報告委員根據那個British Council給我們的建議以全英文授課的話大概裡頭英文所使用的一個比例佔比大概是70%以上什麼意思就是整堂課是說這堂課這個老師七成用英語教學三成用中文是不是\n489472\t507584\t就是七成以上這樣子的是屬於全英的一個定義的?他是什麼意思?就是說這堂課老師從頭到尾都講英文然後全台灣有七成的班級是這樣還是說這一堂課那個老師七成他是講英文三成是講中文是什麼意思?\n508024\t528316\t就是剛才委員所講的這個後者就是說如果他是使用英文授課的話七成以上他在這堂課那個老師本身在這堂課七成講英文要講清楚啦因為這個數據出來的時候大家都覺得說有嗎我覺得要講清楚啦英文課當然七成是英文我覺得這也沒有什麼不可能英文課都講中文吧\n529336\t558235\t英文課當然都講英文了然後再來我想請教一個部長你之前剛上任的時候我印象當中你說要把陸森來台當作你的首要目標那當然現在因為兩岸關係不好啦所以沒辦法這也不能怪你啦不過我看到你的報告裡面有提到一點說要嚴疫招收境外第三地陸森來台就學可行性因為我第一個就是說這個東西應該是無法取代陸森直接過來嘛\n559516\t582868\t以前台灣在全盛時期有一些私立學校他們全校都有一千個以上入生其實那個對學校的財務支持幫助很大但你如果以這個第三地入生這個會有多少人你有評估過嗎我以前也在美國讀書也認識很多入生啊你說要請他們來台灣讀書可行性會有嗎你預計要照多少啊\n584423\t595814\t跟委員報告 確實因為兩岸的關係現在是比較緊張的大陸這一個部分他並沒有開放陸生來台大陸只是我們在一個想像有人願意來到台灣來修讀一些相關的課程或者甚至\n607566\t622625\t他喜歡的一些系所的一些課我們當然不排斥但是以現在來看這個第三地看起來目前來講可行性也是比較弱的那比較弱你還寫在你的報告裡面所以沒有要做這件事嘛\n623286\t648113\t不排斥不是報告不是臭字數我現在問你都覺得不可能你還演繹然後我還花時間問你我想說這個到底是什麼花時間問你你說反正你說不可能不可能你寫在裡面幹嘛好那再來我來問最後一點時間來問一個幼教的問題因為現在普遍來說幼兒園面臨到一個狀況就是他們很難找教保員這個我不知道段老師你知道這個問題嗎\n651604\t672461\t教保員現在非常難找那當然他有很多原因啦一方面是可能少子化也是原因第二個就是有一些本科系的學生畢業之後不願意投入這個行業啦還有大環境對於教保員也不是很友善之前民進黨的立委啊還民進黨議員還造謠說教保員餵小朋友餵毒啊\n673257\t689587\t然後讓教保員也非常灰心對學生這麼的愛心很多教保員是第二媽媽結果被民進黨立委造謠說他們未讀然後讓小朋友安靜比較好帶我也沒有看到那些民進黨的立委跟議員有出來道歉\n690387\t717816\t其實這個都是造成大環境不友善的原因之一那現在教育部有推很多新的政策出來比如說師生比1比12嘛那當然是這個站在家長的角度師生比越低當然是越好啦然後那但是就是因為這個師生比的問題導致於也出現一些狀況我現在不是說1比12不好喔我覺得1比12這個師生比越低當然越好但是他的配套要做好比如說第一個\n719141\t740029\t他出現的狀況是1比12之後老師更難找了嘛老師更難找第二個是現在出現很多半班一師的狀況因為以前一班二十四個人嘛一班二十四個人然後現在因為沒有老師啊所以就變成半班一一班二十四人現在變成然後兩個老師現在變一個老師十二十二個學生那一個老師十二個學生\n741052\t769336\t老師沒辦法替換嘛老師臨時有事上個廁所也沒有人幫他照顧以前兩個老師帶二十四個人大家彼此可以支援一下這個都是問題啦然後還有現在教育部還有一個新的政策就是教保員不能帶大班你現在大班的老師必須要求要合格的教師就是有受過師培訓練對吧這個部長你知道嗎那很多教保員就覺得有點莫名啦\n769895\t778236\t因為他們從幼幼班兩歲專班開始帶兩歲帶完然後小班帶完中班帶來忽然間大班他不能帶沒有資格了\n779309\t805731\t我目前緩衝十年啦我知道緩衝十年啦可是你這個規定他們就覺得很奇怪啊為什麼會有這個規定從幼幼班到中班都可以帶只有大班不能帶然後因為找不到人所以緩衝十年那這個政策當初推出的時候就沒有想清楚嘛然後再來就是教保員教保員是指幼教系畢業的也不夠所以現在很多幼兒園裡面都是代理教保員因為\n808420\t819695\t問題很多好不好我覺得很多政策訂出來之後要去實際了解他們執行的狀況那如果說發現有問題那我們要提出一些對策譬如說\n821428\t848999\t我們要怎麼樣增加比如幼保系的學生他畢業之後他願意到幼兒園服務因為就我了解現在他們是有實習課程可是他們實習課程很多都只是在班外面觀察而已啊那用看的看來看去沒有什麼興趣嘛所以怎麼樣讓他們連結這個職業讓他覺得說願意讀完之後投入這個產業然後想辦法讓本科系的畢業生願意投入這個職場我覺得很重要啊\n850236\t864695\t所以是不是可以請我剛剛點問題因為主席也站起來我剛剛的問題點出來可不可以請部長針對我剛剛提的這些幼教的問題可不可以也是提一些對策出來好不好可以嗎跟委員報告剛剛提的\n864955\t866336\t謝謝葉元芝委員資訊 部會官員請回座\n","txt":"主席好 麻煩請我們鄭部長有請鄭部長備質詢 謝謝委員好部長好 先跟您請教一下我們在大學雙語教育的問題這是我們教育部的報告裡面提到了因為我們要培養具國際溝通力的專業人才有三個原則第一個 學生有選擇教師有準備 學校有支持對吧 什麼是部長請問什麼叫做學生有選擇\n就是說我們在開課的時候他有全英文的也有一些中文的課所以他可以選擇全英語或中文嘛對吧那教室有準備老師基本上就我的理解大學裡面當然也是老師可以有能力他也願意開有能力願意開課就是他上這個英文他準備好嘛學校支持是指經費的支持嗎\n報告委員 我們學校有支持的部分就是說學校要提供學生跟教師的一個專業的一個發展的支持好 謝謝那我們來看你這個應該是配合2030年的雙語政策嘛 對不對這個是2030年雙語國家的目標說要全面啟動教育體系的雙語活化要培養台灣走向世界雙語人才而且要讓學生在生活中應用英語那我不知道部長你對這個目標有信心嗎\n你覺得在2030年可以讓我們台灣變成在生活中都可以應用英語嗎\n我跟我們報告我的語言的學習當然不是一朝一夕你們訂的目標嘛2030年的雙語國標目標還有五年我想朝那個方向來努力但是如果如果訂的目標都說努力然後達不到就說我們再延十年有許多政策當然可以做滾動式的修正好 謝謝那接下來部長來看一下這是有一些學生的反應就是說\n有一些課程譬如說像國文或者是裝巡哲學甚至就我了解有些什麼新聞系新聞採訪都用全英文來教這個有一些課程用中文教可能大家像哲學的東西用中文教也許比較適合但是硬要用英文去教\n那部長覺得用全英文教哲學或者是全英文教新聞採訪我們新聞採訪應該是中文的新聞稿啦但是用英文去教您覺得這樣子有達到您想要的目標嗎\n我想不管用什麼樣的語言老師的教學要確保學生能夠學到也就是說這一個語言它在這個教學的過程裡面要產生真正的教學目標設定的教學效果我想這才是一個重點所以重點是你如果開雙尋哲學你的\n第一前提應該是要先學會裝循哲學嘛你學新聞採訪你第一原則是要把中文的新聞採訪寫作寫好的所以我想要跟委員報告的就是說大學裡邊當他在為了這個年輕世代的年輕人他能夠走向國際但是不要忘掉他的教學裡邊一定要後端真正對教學品質要能夠掌握那我們來看一下學生在網路上一些回饋\n譬如說這是某國立大學學生講的他說有一些課程講中文都不一定聽懂了還要花很多心力翻成中文然後有一些老師為了令英文授課補助不願意在課堂說中文那他覺得這個政策不好這是其中一個我們再來看別的\n左邊EMI就是你們這個計畫嘛 對不對他說沒有人想要聽台式英文加國小巨型 加專有名詞那硬要搞國際化但是班上一個外籍生都沒有那還不如去看\n印度的YouTube右邊也是都在講軟體課要用英文上乾脆去用YT看印度人教學右下方說大一到大二他覺得這個狀況越來越嚴重我有看到有一些老師也有反應他說如果我們要朝向國際化不是用英文教學就好而是研究跟教學都要和國際接軌換句話說\n現在在推這個雙語教育我覺得可能利益良善因為目的是要跟國際接軌那全英文上課如果老師可以講得很好學生也都可以吸收這個一方面可以學到本科二方面可以加強英文這我們都支持但現在看起來實務上面跟我們的理想有很大的落差那我在想說部長要不要去了解一下現在執行上到底有遇到什麼問題有沒有學校或者是什麼\n機構他們為了要請你這個補助然後反而讓學生沒有學到應該學的知識我們回去了解一下好不好那再來喔來我們來看一下這個大學的部分嘛那其實現在國高中以下因為之前我知道部長您從善如流啦因為之前有些國小他們國小國中他用英文教比如英文教自然或英文教數學後來你把它取消了嘛\n因為我有一個同學他的小孩就是被選到實驗班一開始老師用英文教自然全部全班聽不懂都在放空後來英文教一遍中文再教一遍英文的時候再放空中文勉強聽一下然後後來用就改成全部用中文所以您現在高中以下就要求不要全英文教學嘛對吧我們大概根文好 那這個不想說我一次講完但是你看最近這個\n這個是聯合報引述大考中心的資料學測英文成績現在兩極化了五級分以下的跟十一級分以上的都明顯比就一百一四年度都比一百零七學年度明顯兩極化都高很多那有人的分析就是說就是因為當然有的學生他\n變好了可是也有一些學生因為提早放棄了嘛覺得這個全英文或者是相關的他覺得比較困難就提早放棄所以反而造成這個兩極化我不知道部長有注意到這個現象嗎\n跟委員報告根據我們這個13年的一個數據金手的事實上這個會考他已經在提升了你說明一下我簡單跟委員報告11級分以上有提升委員您今天提的是學測這個我們會跟高教師一起來繼續來努力但是可能委員中間有一段叫做會考的這件事我們查了一下以前\n然後十年後他有整個往上高的已經增加了百分之五點多低的減少了百分之四所以整個有往上至於學這這個你這個學英文是延續的嗎那這也是很奇怪的啊國中的時候會考都兩邊都往上然後到高中五級分就變多那所以問題是出在高中嗎英文你一定從小學英文你的英文是累積的嘛\n所以這就會有一個很大的問題啊請部長再去了解一下好不好然後你們現在講說按照你們報告現在全英語的教學有到七成請問全英語教學的七成是什麼意思\n全英語教英文課到七成是什麼意思報告委員根據那個British Council給我們的建議以全英文授課的話大概裡頭英文所使用的一個比例佔比大概是70%以上什麼意思就是整堂課是說這堂課這個老師七成用英語教學三成用中文是不是\n就是七成以上這樣子的是屬於全英的一個定義的?他是什麼意思?就是說這堂課老師從頭到尾都講英文然後全台灣有七成的班級是這樣還是說這一堂課那個老師七成他是講英文三成是講中文是什麼意思?\n就是剛才委員所講的這個後者就是說如果他是使用英文授課的話七成以上他在這堂課那個老師本身在這堂課七成講英文要講清楚啦因為這個數據出來的時候大家都覺得說有嗎我覺得要講清楚啦英文課當然七成是英文我覺得這也沒有什麼不可能英文課都講中文吧\n英文課當然都講英文了然後再來我想請教一個部長你之前剛上任的時候我印象當中你說要把陸森來台當作你的首要目標那當然現在因為兩岸關係不好啦所以沒辦法這也不能怪你啦不過我看到你的報告裡面有提到一點說要嚴疫招收境外第三地陸森來台就學可行性因為我第一個就是說這個東西應該是無法取代陸森直接過來嘛\n以前台灣在全盛時期有一些私立學校他們全校都有一千個以上入生其實那個對學校的財務支持幫助很大但你如果以這個第三地入生這個會有多少人你有評估過嗎我以前也在美國讀書也認識很多入生啊你說要請他們來台灣讀書可行性會有嗎你預計要照多少啊\n跟委員報告 確實因為兩岸的關係現在是比較緊張的大陸這一個部分他並沒有開放陸生來台大陸只是我們在一個想像有人願意來到台灣來修讀一些相關的課程或者甚至\n他喜歡的一些系所的一些課我們當然不排斥但是以現在來看這個第三地看起來目前來講可行性也是比較弱的那比較弱你還寫在你的報告裡面所以沒有要做這件事嘛\n不排斥不是報告不是臭字數我現在問你都覺得不可能你還演繹然後我還花時間問你我想說這個到底是什麼花時間問你你說反正你說不可能不可能你寫在裡面幹嘛好那再來我來問最後一點時間來問一個幼教的問題因為現在普遍來說幼兒園面臨到一個狀況就是他們很難找教保員這個我不知道段老師你知道這個問題嗎\n教保員現在非常難找那當然他有很多原因啦一方面是可能少子化也是原因第二個就是有一些本科系的學生畢業之後不願意投入這個行業啦還有大環境對於教保員也不是很友善之前民進黨的立委啊還民進黨議員還造謠說教保員餵小朋友餵毒啊\n然後讓教保員也非常灰心對學生這麼的愛心很多教保員是第二媽媽結果被民進黨立委造謠說他們未讀然後讓小朋友安靜比較好帶我也沒有看到那些民進黨的立委跟議員有出來道歉\n其實這個都是造成大環境不友善的原因之一那現在教育部有推很多新的政策出來比如說師生比1比12嘛那當然是這個站在家長的角度師生比越低當然是越好啦然後那但是就是因為這個師生比的問題導致於也出現一些狀況我現在不是說1比12不好喔我覺得1比12這個師生比越低當然越好但是他的配套要做好比如說第一個\n他出現的狀況是1比12之後老師更難找了嘛老師更難找第二個是現在出現很多半班一師的狀況因為以前一班二十四個人嘛一班二十四個人然後現在因為沒有老師啊所以就變成半班一一班二十四人現在變成然後兩個老師現在變一個老師十二十二個學生那一個老師十二個學生\n老師沒辦法替換嘛老師臨時有事上個廁所也沒有人幫他照顧以前兩個老師帶二十四個人大家彼此可以支援一下這個都是問題啦然後還有現在教育部還有一個新的政策就是教保員不能帶大班你現在大班的老師必須要求要合格的教師就是有受過師培訓練對吧這個部長你知道嗎那很多教保員就覺得有點莫名啦\n因為他們從幼幼班兩歲專班開始帶兩歲帶完然後小班帶完中班帶來忽然間大班他不能帶沒有資格了\n我目前緩衝十年啦我知道緩衝十年啦可是你這個規定他們就覺得很奇怪啊為什麼會有這個規定從幼幼班到中班都可以帶只有大班不能帶然後因為找不到人所以緩衝十年那這個政策當初推出的時候就沒有想清楚嘛然後再來就是教保員教保員是指幼教系畢業的也不夠所以現在很多幼兒園裡面都是代理教保員因為\n問題很多好不好我覺得很多政策訂出來之後要去實際了解他們執行的狀況那如果說發現有問題那我們要提出一些對策譬如說\n我們要怎麼樣增加比如幼保系的學生他畢業之後他願意到幼兒園服務因為就我了解現在他們是有實習課程可是他們實習課程很多都只是在班外面觀察而已啊那用看的看來看去沒有什麼興趣嘛所以怎麼樣讓他們連結這個職業讓他覺得說願意讀完之後投入這個產業然後想辦法讓本科系的畢業生願意投入這個職場我覺得很重要啊\n所以是不是可以請我剛剛點問題因為主席也站起來我剛剛的問題點出來可不可以請部長針對我剛剛提的這些幼教的問題可不可以也是提一些對策出來好不好可以嗎跟委員報告剛剛提的\n謝謝葉元芝委員資訊 部會官員請回座\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.144 --> 00:16.107\n主席好麻煩請我們鄭部長有請鄭部長備質詢謝謝委員好部長好先跟您請教一下我們在大學雙語教育的問題這是我們教育部的報告裡面提到了因為我們要培養具國際溝通力的專業人才有三個原則第一個學生有選擇教師有準備學校有支持對吧什麼是部長請問什麼叫做學生有選擇\n\n00:45.378 --> 01:09.301\n就是說我們在開課的時候他有全英文的也有一些中文的課所以他可以選擇全英語或中文嘛對吧那教室有準備老師基本上就我的理解大學裡面當然也是老師可以有能力他也願意開有能力願意開課就是他上這個英文他準備好嘛學校支持是指經費的支持嗎\n\n01:12.814 --> 01:41.216\n報告委員我們學校有支持的部分就是說學校要提供學生跟教師的一個專業的一個發展的支持好謝謝那我們來看你這個應該是配合2030年的雙語政策嘛對不對這個是2030年雙語國家的目標說要全面啟動教育體系的雙語活化要培養台灣走向世界雙語人才而且要讓學生在生活中應用英語那我不知道部長你對這個目標有信心嗎\n\n01:42.563 --> 01:47.415\n你覺得在2030年可以讓我們台灣變成在生活中都可以應用英語嗎\n\n01:48.410 --> 02:13.176\n我跟我們報告我的語言的學習當然不是一朝一夕你們訂的目標嘛2030年的雙語國標目標還有五年我想朝那個方向來努力但是如果如果訂的目標都說努力然後達不到就說我們再延十年有許多政策當然可以做滾動式的修正好謝謝那接下來部長來看一下這是有一些學生的反應就是說\n\n02:14.369 --> 02:34.446\n有一些課程譬如說像國文或者是裝巡哲學甚至就我了解有些什麼新聞系新聞採訪都用全英文來教這個有一些課程用中文教可能大家像哲學的東西用中文教也許比較適合但是硬要用英文去教\n\n02:35.146 --> 02:46.765\n那部長覺得用全英文教哲學或者是全英文教新聞採訪我們新聞採訪應該是中文的新聞稿啦但是用英文去教您覺得這樣子有達到您想要的目標嗎\n\n02:48.902 --> 03:07.237\n我想不管用什麼樣的語言老師的教學要確保學生能夠學到也就是說這一個語言它在這個教學的過程裡面要產生真正的教學目標設定的教學效果我想這才是一個重點所以重點是你如果開雙尋哲學你的\n\n03:08.118 --> 03:36.627\n第一前提應該是要先學會裝循哲學嘛你學新聞採訪你第一原則是要把中文的新聞採訪寫作寫好的所以我想要跟委員報告的就是說大學裡邊當他在為了這個年輕世代的年輕人他能夠走向國際但是不要忘掉他的教學裡邊一定要後端真正對教學品質要能夠掌握那我們來看一下學生在網路上一些回饋\n\n03:37.907 --> 03:59.220\n譬如說這是某國立大學學生講的他說有一些課程講中文都不一定聽懂了還要花很多心力翻成中文然後有一些老師為了令英文授課補助不願意在課堂說中文那他覺得這個政策不好這是其中一個我們再來看別的\n\n04:00.342 --> 04:14.734\n左邊EMI就是你們這個計畫嘛對不對他說沒有人想要聽台式英文加國小巨型加專有名詞那硬要搞國際化但是班上一個外籍生都沒有那還不如去看\n\n04:15.675 --> 04:39.781\n印度的YouTube右邊也是都在講軟體課要用英文上乾脆去用YT看印度人教學右下方說大一到大二他覺得這個狀況越來越嚴重我有看到有一些老師也有反應他說如果我們要朝向國際化不是用英文教學就好而是研究跟教學都要和國際接軌換句話說\n\n04:42.442 --> 05:10.083\n現在在推這個雙語教育我覺得可能利益良善因為目的是要跟國際接軌那全英文上課如果老師可以講得很好學生也都可以吸收這個一方面可以學到本科二方面可以加強英文這我們都支持但現在看起來實務上面跟我們的理想有很大的落差那我在想說部長要不要去了解一下現在執行上到底有遇到什麼問題有沒有學校或者是什麼\n\n05:11.424 --> 05:37.854\n機構他們為了要請你這個補助然後反而讓學生沒有學到應該學的知識我們回去了解一下好不好那再來喔來我們來看一下這個大學的部分嘛那其實現在國高中以下因為之前我知道部長您從善如流啦因為之前有些國小他們國小國中他用英文教比如英文教自然或英文教數學後來你把它取消了嘛\n\n05:38.427 --> 06:05.596\n因為我有一個同學他的小孩就是被選到實驗班一開始老師用英文教自然全部全班聽不懂都在放空後來英文教一遍中文再教一遍英文的時候再放空中文勉強聽一下然後後來用就改成全部用中文所以您現在高中以下就要求不要全英文教學嘛對吧我們大概根文好那這個不想說我一次講完但是你看最近這個\n\n06:07.109 --> 06:27.151\n這個是聯合報引述大考中心的資料學測英文成績現在兩極化了五級分以下的跟十一級分以上的都明顯比就一百一四年度都比一百零七學年度明顯兩極化都高很多那有人的分析就是說就是因為當然有的學生他\n\n06:28.132 --> 06:38.243\n變好了可是也有一些學生因為提早放棄了嘛覺得這個全英文或者是相關的他覺得比較困難就提早放棄所以反而造成這個兩極化我不知道部長有注意到這個現象嗎\n\n06:40.271 --> 07:06.207\n跟委員報告根據我們這個13年的一個數據金手的事實上這個會考他已經在提升了你說明一下我簡單跟委員報告11級分以上有提升委員您今天提的是學測這個我們會跟高教師一起來繼續來努力但是可能委員中間有一段叫做會考的這件事我們查了一下以前\n\n07:07.228 --> 07:34.366\n然後十年後他有整個往上高的已經增加了百分之五點多低的減少了百分之四所以整個有往上至於學這這個你這個學英文是延續的嗎那這也是很奇怪的啊國中的時候會考都兩邊都往上然後到高中五級分就變多那所以問題是出在高中嗎英文你一定從小學英文你的英文是累積的嘛\n\n07:35.427 --> 07:47.083\n所以這就會有一個很大的問題啊請部長再去了解一下好不好然後你們現在講說按照你們報告現在全英語的教學有到七成請問全英語教學的七成是什麼意思\n\n07:48.598 --> 08:09.052\n全英語教英文課到七成是什麼意思報告委員根據那個BritishCouncil給我們的建議以全英文授課的話大概裡頭英文所使用的一個比例佔比大概是70%以上什麼意思就是整堂課是說這堂課這個老師七成用英語教學三成用中文是不是\n\n08:09.472 --> 08:27.584\n就是七成以上這樣子的是屬於全英的一個定義的?他是什麼意思?就是說這堂課老師從頭到尾都講英文然後全台灣有七成的班級是這樣還是說這一堂課那個老師七成他是講英文三成是講中文是什麼意思?\n\n08:28.024 --> 08:48.316\n就是剛才委員所講的這個後者就是說如果他是使用英文授課的話七成以上他在這堂課那個老師本身在這堂課七成講英文要講清楚啦因為這個數據出來的時候大家都覺得說有嗎我覺得要講清楚啦英文課當然七成是英文我覺得這也沒有什麼不可能英文課都講中文吧\n\n08:49.336 --> 09:18.235\n英文課當然都講英文了然後再來我想請教一個部長你之前剛上任的時候我印象當中你說要把陸森來台當作你的首要目標那當然現在因為兩岸關係不好啦所以沒辦法這也不能怪你啦不過我看到你的報告裡面有提到一點說要嚴疫招收境外第三地陸森來台就學可行性因為我第一個就是說這個東西應該是無法取代陸森直接過來嘛\n\n09:19.516 --> 09:42.868\n以前台灣在全盛時期有一些私立學校他們全校都有一千個以上入生其實那個對學校的財務支持幫助很大但你如果以這個第三地入生這個會有多少人你有評估過嗎我以前也在美國讀書也認識很多入生啊你說要請他們來台灣讀書可行性會有嗎你預計要照多少啊\n\n09:44.423 --> 09:55.814\n跟委員報告確實因為兩岸的關係現在是比較緊張的大陸這一個部分他並沒有開放陸生來台大陸只是我們在一個想像有人願意來到台灣來修讀一些相關的課程或者甚至\n\n10:07.566 --> 10:22.625\n他喜歡的一些系所的一些課我們當然不排斥但是以現在來看這個第三地看起來目前來講可行性也是比較弱的那比較弱你還寫在你的報告裡面所以沒有要做這件事嘛\n\n10:23.286 --> 10:48.113\n不排斥不是報告不是臭字數我現在問你都覺得不可能你還演繹然後我還花時間問你我想說這個到底是什麼花時間問你你說反正你說不可能不可能你寫在裡面幹嘛好那再來我來問最後一點時間來問一個幼教的問題因為現在普遍來說幼兒園面臨到一個狀況就是他們很難找教保員這個我不知道段老師你知道這個問題嗎\n\n10:51.604 --> 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