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00:01:51,642\n在緬甸那跑到國外去我們這司法力量達不到那個地方去所以用遠距的方式做國內刑事詐欺是院長因為我今天曾經去柬埔寨帶過那個被詐騙的人回來所以我非常理解這個狀態可是因為最近我看到有幾個新聞是說日本人被詐騙到台灣來變成一個中繼站要往柬埔寨走造成日本人極度的一個恐慌那我覺得這對整個台灣的國際聲譽有很大的一個影響\n\n5\n00:01:53,023 --> 00:02:17,854\n我們要全力來防治這個安全單位要全力來防治這個事情另外一個部分就是馬來西亞其實有國會議員他們也提到說他們去年被詐騙來台灣當車手的人比前一年增加十倍我想請教一下院長您知不知道去年在台灣涉及詐騙的外國人大概有多少人\n\n6\n00:02:19,660 --> 00:02:42,588\n我想我們有165的專線還有警調系統好像有點細我只是要特別講說因為我要特別了解說到底有多少外國人其實被台灣這邊給囚禁羈押在這邊因為我看到一個數字的時候去年的時候大概有將近2000個外籍人士因為涉及詐騙人數在台灣幾乎超過一個\n\n7\n00:02:46,189 --> 00:03:08,525\n高雄監獄的人數超過一個新竹監獄的人數那我希望說剛剛院長一開始就提到的狀態是說希望增加整個數位當中的監管那我希望就是針對整個落實這個對於平台業者的一個監管尤其在詐騙的事情上面這個部分可不可以請院長特別加強好的我以為您說的\n\n8\n00:03:09,500 --> 00:03:36,509\n互相異地不同的地點不同的國家互相異地來行使這種詐騙的行為越來越猖獗所以我們對於整個數位平台這部分請務必要加強因為太多的詐騙都是因為這些數位平台而產生的好不好所以我們國人去到國外被詐騙集團騙走了這個是一個很嚴重的態度現在外國人也會到台灣來罪他們自己的國人或對我們自己的國人進行詐騙這個我們要全力來防止\n\n9\n00:03:39,224 --> 00:03:48,269\n接下來我要請教一個部分,因為在106年的時候行政院有特別要求國發會針對於台灣的法規鬆綁的部分我想請教一下目前這個進度如何?大概有哪些的成果?\n\n10\n00:04:00,899 --> 00:04:27,954\n我們從過去對於法規的鬆綁就一直在進行對106年之後有一個很清楚的狀態可是我們看到統計數字還是不斷的往上就是劉主委要對國務委員報告我們現在法規鬆綁的部分我們主要是我們定期都會跟美國商會跟歐洲商會日本商會紐澳商會進行溝通對於相關的法令的鬆綁\n\n11\n00:04:28,954 --> 00:04:43,593\n那另外屬於在我們政策面的部分我們也積極的在只要遇到政策需要法令鬆綁我們都有進行協調跟OK因為那個從106年到現在因為我曾經質詢過你你回答過我啦所以我這邊我就不為難院長\n\n12\n00:04:44,835 --> 00:05:02,495\n因為從100年到現在我們大概全國整個法規鬆綁大概是2076項你當時有很精準的回答可是我要特別提到說法規鬆綁之後的時候我們對於整個企業的一個法尊成本是不是也有所益處院長知不知道這事情\n\n13\n00:05:05,439 --> 00:05:30,025\n因為我比較小的時候我希望說因為針對企業的法尊成本的時候我希望院長也能夠特別注意因為在2008年的時候整個金融海嘯是美國多了一個ASFRANK法案就是讓金融業一年增加500億美元的一個法尊成本那我這邊特別提到一個例子從今年開始的時候環保環境部\n\n14\n00:05:30,985 --> 00:05:44,523\n有一個新的法案它要求就是針對於減塑的部分要求所有的飯店業者他們不能夠用一次性的盥洗用品院長知道這個細節嗎是的你知道這個細節嗎\n\n15\n00:05:47,927 --> 00:06:12,109\n可是因為它整個法規的規定的時候不夠嚴謹所以產生了一個狀態是中央有一個檢措的規定沒有問題因為整個一次用旅宿用品限制使用對象的實施方式卻規定了可是各個地方政府有不同的做法我具體講一下比方說台北市\n\n16\n00:06:13,470 --> 00:06:39,740\n他就可以向櫃台購買他沒有主動提供他向櫃台購買可是新北市跟台中市他們可以免費跟櫃台索取然後再加上台南市呢他不能夠購買也不能夠索取所以同樣一個規定的時候造成企業尤其有些連鎖飯店他們每個地方都有的時候他們的法尊成本其實會受到很大的一個影響所以我希望因為現在美國他們也在他們也在\n\n17\n00:06:41,080 --> 00:07:01,501\n減少行政部門的一個cost所以我希望當我們在減低這樣的一個法規的鬆綁的時候也能夠同時考慮到法尊成本的問題那我希望院長這邊的時候能夠指示相關的部會的時候針對整個法尊的成本提出一個更具體的一個成果好不好\n\n18\n00:07:03,895 --> 00:07:24,255\n其實因為這個是兩三年前就已經制定的規範但是有些縣市它自己比較積極例如說台北市過去很積極大概有六個縣市比較積極所以出現的狀態還是不一樣所以我要講到的狀態就是結果就是造成了企業尤其連鎖業者的時候他們整個的法尊成本其實是不一樣的所以我只是舉這個例子\n\n19\n00:07:25,376 --> 00:07:44,384\n所以我希望院長能夠特別注意到整個法尊成本的問題因為既然我們要從106年開始就要求了一個法規鬆綁的問題所以我希望對於這個部分院長也能夠多加去注意好不好報告委員這個我再補充一下下因為我們已經跟各縣市已經協調完成了大家都統一的標準\n\n20\n00:07:45,710 --> 00:08:06,368\n好的那接下來的時候我想問一下因為賴總統在2023年的時候有特別提到了一個三班互併筆的問題對不對那他特別提到了兩年要入法我想請教一下院長現在進度如何這個是在選權選後對於護理人員的\n\n21\n00:08:10,697 --> 00:08:23,432\n加強護理人員更充斥於這部分做了很多的努力所以現在我們也提出了對於達標的醫院直接給予獎勵給予護理人員更多的優惠的福利\n\n22\n00:08:23,982 --> 00:08:49,595\n等等我們都有一些具體的措施在裡面只有獎勵的措施嗎可是因為當時2023年講說兩年要入法今年就是要入法的一個時間所以我比較關心這個部分因為我們看到去年3月公佈的一個三班互併比的一個標準出來的時候我們就發現它從1比6到1比15都有那之前部長也特別提到說其實對於\n\n23\n00:08:50,855 --> 00:09:11,267\n醫學中心的大夜班其實很難去達標對不對我大概都有特別注意到可是因為對於整個醫護人員的工作條件跟護病比這邊就產生了一個很具體的成果可以影響到國人的一個醫療照顧的一個品質的問題所以其實本席非常的關心\n\n24\n00:09:13,350 --> 00:09:24,063\n賴總統當時承諾今年要讓護病筆入法這件事情是不是能夠如期做到然後來保障全體國人有一個高品質的一個醫療照顧\n\n25\n00:09:30,635 --> 00:09:48,089\n我想三班護病比在這一年當中在12項留任護理人力的策略之下我們不管是醫學中心、區醫院跟地區醫院都有長足的進步譬如說我們的醫學中心前三班都達到標的已經到達60%\n\n26\n00:09:49,830 --> 00:09:53,693\n那在第七院大概有到63%那我只是比較關心因為只用獎勵的部分的時候如果\n\n27\n00:10:01,383 --> 00:10:24,241\n醫院沒有達到的時候那國人的醫護照顧品質就降低了然後其實也沒有一個比較強有力的一個方式去達成那因為當時提到今年要三班後面比要入法這邊所以我們其實是很期待所以我們也希望院長這邊的時候能夠加快腳步讓這件事情能夠順利然後去\n\n28\n00:10:26,123 --> 00:10:29,248\n滿足賴總統當時所提出來的一個政見跟訴求好不好各界都來溝通來加緊這個講步我想維護醫療的品質特別是護理人員給他很\n\n29\n00:10:39,736 --> 00:10:56,608\n因為要達到這樣的一個成績的時候因為它會牽涉到有一些醫護護理人員、醫護人員他們的一個相關的工作條件的相關的問題所以我們也希望當這個三班一面筆入法的時候其實能夠同時解決好不好\n\n30\n00:10:57,228 --> 00:11:25,373\n發委員不只說三半戶面筆我們有不管是在給戶方面或護理的給戶我們已經有非常長足的投入很多的一個護理的一個獎勵的或者是在給戶方面的努力因為我相信對於護理各位部長我想這部分的時候我希望院長這邊能夠加快速度請邱部長這邊的時候儘速把它完成總統的一個主張跟訴求獎勵先行之後把現在的制度\n\n31\n00:11:26,584 --> 00:11:33,084\n全部跟他做完一遍他12項措施能夠檢討以後再朝下一步的步驟來做\n\n32\n00:11:34,156 --> 00:11:55,788\n因為這是賴總統的一個訴求啦跟政見的主張所以我們也希望好的東西我們希望讓他能夠真正做到如果做不到的時候就等於是賴總統的一個政見就破功了嘛那我覺得這樣也不好因為這對國人確實是好的事情我們希望院長加快腳步去做不要只停留在一個獎勵的一個階段好不好不是先行我們現在研議下一步的這個\n\n33\n00:11:57,468 --> 00:12:17,815\n包括入法的研判等等那接下來的時候我一定要特別提到有關於美國對等關稅的問題那美國對等關稅的時候其實賴總統其實他也提出了一個五大的因應策略那我在想說其實然後也投書了Bramberg其實我大概都講到一些幾個重點\n\n34\n00:12:18,895 --> 00:12:35,485\n那針對這部分我簡單來說一個短短的一個小結就是說美國他希望用這個關稅的部分來解決他的貿易逆差的問題然後再解決他再工業化的問題然後另外解決他美債的問題大概就是三個嘛院長認不認同\n\n35\n00:12:37,811 --> 00:12:59,187\n大概是這三個方向嘛那我在想說針對那個逆差的部分的時候那總統他也特別投書當中他也提到說幾個解決的方法大眾物資的採購天然氣的採購軍購的一個採購大概都有提到要解決貿易逆差是這樣的情況沒有錯嘛對不對\n\n36\n00:13:00,697 --> 00:13:24,831\n增加採購卻是一個方式但採購的能力跟內容要看我們的財政能力跟國家整個發展是需要是OK那我想先特別問一下因為他有特別提到擴大軍購的部分我想請教擴大軍購可以減少貿易逆差嗎院長通常沒有算在貿易逆差裡面沒有算在貿易逆差裡面所以說採購要考慮到我們國家的需要是所以說\n\n37\n00:13:27,507 --> 00:13:50,114\n軍購沒有算在貿易逆差當中所以總統他在投書會有提到說用軍購的方式來減少貿易逆差的部分之後我就在想說既然說院長也知道說軍購沒有算在貿易的統治數字當中所以正常來說軍購應該不能減少貿易逆差才對吧是不是院長\n\n38\n00:13:51,011 --> 00:14:08,503\n我們說的採購通常指的就是工業產品農工產品這些部分所以軍購產品算不算在裡頭能源跟能源的建制等等軍購算不算在裡頭軍購它有一個廣義跟比較具體的如果廣義的部分我們還可以再做一些調整\n\n39\n00:14:08,854 --> 00:14:35,481\nOK我們簡單來講就是說一般的軍購的狀態我們一般說的軍購狀態可能就不算在貿易的統計數字當中可是商購的狀態算在這裡頭對不對那我在想說當總統他這邊提到說要用軍購的方式來平衡貿易逆差的狀態那我是不是可以用這樣的方式去推論所以我們接下來就是軍品商購的比例會大幅的增加\n\n40\n00:14:36,406 --> 00:14:49,202\n這完全看我方我國的國防能力我們需要增加到什麼程度先進的武器先進的設備等等如果我們有財政能力夠我們也需要這些來增加我們的國防從這個角度來思考\n\n41\n00:14:50,628 --> 00:15:13,127\n所以說我們因為總統提到要用軍購來平衡貿易逆差那軍購你剛才講軍購的範圍很大可能有可能包括針對政府對政府的一個採購的狀態那可能也包括對於企業的一個採購的部分就是商購的部分所以我在想說如果說我們要平衡貿易逆差那是不是表示我們商購的比例就會增加這很簡單的一個邏輯嘛\n\n42\n00:15:15,530 --> 00:15:36,085\n跟委員報告,我想軍購的部分雖然沒有算入這個貿易順利差的部分但是從安全的角度上來看還有展現就是說台美這樣子的一個軍事交流的合作的面向上面都是相當重要的那軍售的部分有政府跟美國政府這個保障\n\n43\n00:15:36,773 --> 00:15:56,569\n對我們來講軍售還是一個相當重要的管道商售的部分呢我們大部分也是我們多元籌貨的管道之一那對這個部分的話我譬如說我們就講說有一些相關不適宜透過軍售的管道的部分的話我們會盡量以商售的管道也會來做\n\n44\n00:15:57,510 --> 00:16:23,864\n現在顧部長的補充我特別提到一下因為在2017年的時候那時候蔡政府的時候她就曾經因為當時也是因為貿易利差台美貿易利差的問題的時候她有特別提到軍購的部分要來跟美國溝通減少貿易利差的一個這個部分我不知道2017年溝通的成果的時候我們是不是有達到我們要的一個狀態\n\n45\n00:16:27,388 --> 00:16:45,396\n2017年的時候因為台美貿易逆差所以當時蔡英文總統她當時就有提出了一個縮帖縮帖當中的就是說要跟美國用軍購的方式來表示我們其實並不是貿易逆差的一個狀態那我不知道那次溝通的成果如何\n\n46\n00:16:46,677 --> 00:17:11,111\n我想後續就經貿小組跟美國在談判這件事情的時候我們可以去說明我們過去以來對美的軍購的金額是多少因為2017年蔡政府的時代的時候已經曾經提到的這個狀態所以我想說如果現在院長或部長沒辦法回答的時候你們回去再給我一個很清楚的狀態軍購不算是貿易的順利差\n\n47\n00:17:15,854 --> 00:17:42,404\n但我們來看軍購是我們國家希望達到GDP3%的這個目標所以他是在這個範疇裡面去做思考我們國家的需要跟美國的合作跟全世界這個防衛的安全那其他的採購會主動在能源主動在工產品工業其他的採購這個沒問題所以說我們目前是用3%當標準嘛對不對當一個目標值嘛那川普提到10%我們要如何去因應\n\n48\n00:17:43,442 --> 00:17:58,099\n大概目前我們是沒有這個能力沒有這個能力嗎?OK好那接下來的部分就講到一個天然氣採購的部分因為之前郭部長曾經有特別提到說我們接下來大概要跟美國採購的天然氣從10%提高到30%這個數字有沒有錯?\n\n49\n00:18:04,844 --> 00:18:33,665\n報告委員我沒有說過提高到百分之三十OK媒體有這樣的一個數字出來這個是可能是這個誤傳我從來沒有說過我們會多少OK那我們預計這一部分我必須要在這邊鄭重的跟委員報告我從來不會談我們有多少比率這個我想委員你的資料可能有誤這個不是我我也沒有那個能力講說我們要投資多少\n\n50\n00:18:34,141 --> 00:18:57,861\nOK我回去的時候我找資料之外我再跟您這邊做一個細部討論我想請教一下因為你有提到說要增加對美國政府部門2000億的採購這個有吧對不對2000億的數字我是說概略這樣的一個數字這個數字我有講過我記得你有提到2010年嘛對不對對那這2010年基本上都是天然氣採購為主嗎\n\n51\n00:19:00,931 --> 00:19:18,130\n我跟委員報告這個採購裡面包括能源包括科技包括一些我們國內需要的這些產品這裡面包括很多啦那能源的部分佔多少我不知道這個是完全由這個談判小組他們來做一些規劃\n\n52\n00:19:19,031 --> 00:19:44,638\n我們只是提供一些資訊給這個談判小組為什麼因為我們大概啊這個需求國內的需求我們是近期我們的職責把國內的需求這十年裡面可能有多少國內的需求提供給談判小組所以兩千億這邊是你民進經濟部這邊估出來的數字是不是兩千億是兩千億不是我們估出來數字兩千億是我\n\n53\n00:19:45,658 --> 00:20:09,546\n站在過去的經驗認為可能這樣的一個數字是值得他們參考的不是估計算下來的而是我憑我過去的經驗認為我們除了國內可以用的這個國內可以用的能源以外我也可以多採購這些能源理解那我想問採購這些能源是不是指的是阿拉斯加的LNG\n\n54\n00:20:11,806 --> 00:20:35,854\n你採購的能源包括阿拉斯加的LNG計畫我們如果說可以透過大量的採購我們可以分享這樣的一個經濟的價值分享給我們其他的鄰國我想這個是就商業上面來講我提供我的經驗認為說我只買一定的量可能沒有談判的籌碼如果我能夠買更多的量\n\n55\n00:20:36,974 --> 00:20:59,870\n大概可以分享給其他的國家所以你指的這部分是你想要結合哪些國家一起去處理阿拉斯加的天然氣案是這個意思嗎報告委員因為阿拉斯加的州長來亞洲訪問第一站就到我們台灣來那麼他後來也接著到其他的國家去所以我們也簽了意向書嘛對不對\n\n56\n00:21:00,811 --> 00:21:03,352\n所以我們針對這1300公里的投資我們預計要投入多少的資金\n\n57\n00:21:11,670 --> 00:21:32,284\n我們要投入多少資金不是根據我們想投就可以他會讓我們投多少這個美國他還要去看所以不是說我們想投就可以投多少所以我要特別提醒一下郭部長因為在2016年的時候那個是美孚他們在退出了這個計畫英國石油也退出了這個計畫\n\n58\n00:21:34,025 --> 00:22:03,133\n康佛石油他們也推出了這個計畫那我們現在要進來接這個狀態的時候意向書簽了我知道可是我想說我們要怎麼去參與這樣的一個國際天然氣或石油的開發我覺得是很複雜的事情我理解可是我希望我們在判斷評估的時候有更多的經濟考量而不是純粹的政治考量讓台灣變成接盤俠的一個狀態可不可以承諾這個部分\n\n59\n00:22:03,855 --> 00:22:28,373\n我們當然會考量合理的商業條件我想中油去投資它未來對於穩定的供貨來源必須有掌握住而且今日未來對LNG的需求跟過去當然是不同的所以在這個整個市場的需求上面來看我們會請經濟部請台電合理的去評估分析這種商業條件有利於我們做開發的我們當然會爭取\n\n60\n00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:55,564\nOK謝謝院長那我在想說除了這個部分之外還有另外一個部分就是美國在工業化對台灣來說很重要的部分就是半導體產業那這部分有關於台積電去美國這件事情大家很多的討論我在這邊就特別的關心因為我希望說政府能夠把台積電到美國去投資這件事情但我知道部長一定覺得這是商業的一個行為企業的一個行為\n\n61\n00:22:56,704 --> 00:23:21,761\n台積電對台灣來講確實不一般因為台灣對於整個高階技術製程的一個輸出也有一個規定那我希望這個部分的時候能夠讓台積電去美國能夠變成我們在跟美國談判的時候更好的一個籌碼那我在這邊就不特別講我要特別講到一個部分是有關於債券的部分債券的部分\n\n62\n00:23:22,401 --> 00:23:34,506\n那因為在1944年的一個BrettonWoods的那個就是Bretton森林協議的時候把美元跟石油綁在一起讓美元霸權興起那1985年的時候廣場協議的時候\n\n63\n00:23:39,128 --> 00:24:07,263\n日元大幅的一個升值造成日本失落的三十幾年然後一直到現在那今年的時候提出了一個海湖莊園協議那我不知道說就是院長有沒有特別關注這個問題我們要如何去面對這樣子可能美國丟出來的一個海湖莊園協議當中要求如果他真的要求讓現有的\n\n64\n00:24:08,483 --> 00:24:37,026\n國外的一個在持有的美債的時候都換成一百年無息不可轉讓的一個債券如果發生這樣的事情我們要怎麼去面對可不可以請院長這邊回答或請央行總裁這個議題好像也談論了很久不過呢這個背後我們必須要了解一件事如果說做這樣一個轉換的時候這相當於就是美債的\n\n65\n00:24:38,588 --> 00:24:57,575\n倒債如果說是美債都倒債的話呢那這個就是非常的危險因為美國的公債他的市場呢他是各個金融商品他定價的基礎那如果說是這樣的話呢我所以在上一次在財委會有委員在\n\n66\n00:25:00,447 --> 00:25:24,529\n質詢這個問題的時候我那時候也非常大膽的說美國恐怕他會發生金融上的混亂金融上的危機所以這個議題雖然是大家談論的很久在我們國內的市場談論很久不過據我了解好像是國外其他的金融市場也沒有談到這個就像我們台灣這麼的熱烈\n\n67\n00:25:26,910 --> 00:25:55,356\n謝謝楊總裁因為你剛剛提到說如果是這個狀態的時候那幾乎美國的美債就是倒債的一個狀態我覺得這很重要一個狀態我想這邊請教一下院長理解理解因為這還沒有發生那我們也不希望它發生因為對我們台灣來講我們台灣也持有非常高額的一個美債我想請教一下院長我們現在持有的美債到底有多少佔外匯存底的百分之多少\n\n68\n00:25:59,578 --> 00:26:05,405\n我們歐洲美國的債券我們的外債大概八成以上\n\n69\n00:26:06,291 --> 00:26:21,396\n八成以上是不是有到九成二嗎沒有就八成左右的一個數字美債大概占八成左右的數字是不是所以大概在4300億左右4300億美元左右事實上我們台灣總共叫歐友的這個報紙都有報導我們是占第11位我們是2900多億\n\n70\n00:26:30,547 --> 00:26:44,105\n2900多億的美債包括民間包括民間的部分所以你講的數字跟之前朱副總裁講的是不一樣的數字不一樣他是看錯了他看錯了是不是\n\n71\n00:26:45,424 --> 00:27:10,562\nOK那這個看錯其實影響很大因為我旁邊一些金融界企業界的朋友大家都跳腳起來而且覺得說台灣怎麼會把所有的一個外匯全部都壓在整個美債上面因為這段時間的時候很多國家都在處理他們的一個美國的國債的問題那我們有去做一個相應的處理嗎\n\n72\n00:27:11,823 --> 00:27:18,229\n我想我們對於這個債券的一個調整都隨時在調整隨時在觀察市場的變化而隨時做調整\n\n73\n00:27:27,152 --> 00:27:51,587\n那另外一個部分的時候因為在烏克蘭戰爭當中的時候STARLINK變得非常的重要烏克蘭幾乎是靠著STARLINK在跟國際當中的一個聯絡那在去年底之前的時候我們的政府都還覺得因為STARLINK馬斯克他們\n\n74\n00:27:52,714 --> 00:28:14,326\n太過於親中所以覺得不能夠開放STARLINK在台灣落地因為有國安的問題可是院長你知道我們目前已經開放了你知道嗎我們在低軌衛星甚至更高的中軌更高的同步我們都有嘗試做一些合作但這個目前的狀況\n\n75\n00:28:15,868 --> 00:28:39,651\n就是在國家安全需要底下我們都有做一些合作所以之前的時候沒有開放STARLINK是因為國家安全的考量現在又是因為國家安全的考量所以開放是這樣子的意思嗎是開放我們有尋求不同的合作理解喔那因為我在想說因為今年2月13號的時候速發布的時候開放STARLINK落地的時候跟之前\n\n76\n00:28:40,492 --> 00:29:09,375\n考量因為國安的問題而沒有開放我就不曉得當中的轉折是在什麼地方所以我本來是希望說院長這邊可不可以做一個更詳細的一個回答這個當初的考量都有啦包括系統本身以及包括整個背後的因素等等那現在我們尋求更多元的合作因為不只只有一個廠商一個國家的一個廠商我們可以尋求更多元的合作理解喔但因為之前的時候因為之前喔\n\n77\n00:29:09,895 --> 00:29:31,689\n就是馬斯克他曾經針對於烏克蘭用他STARLINK的時候表示整個烏克蘭就是靠他如果他斷線的時候整個烏克蘭就崩盤了那我在想說我們當時對於STARLINK沒有開放有國安的考量現在開放了之後我們之後怎麼樣運用STARLINK這部分的時候我也希望院長這邊能夠特別予以\n\n78\n00:29:32,529 --> 00:29:53,139\n注意好不好不要變成我們到時候又變成受人家掐在我們脖子上他到時候講說如果到時候發生什麼事情他如果有斷訊的時候我們台灣就掛點我就不想看到這樣的一個事情對我們的國外安全非常的重要對外的聯繫管道我們會維護他的好那另外就是\n\n79\n00:29:54,980 --> 00:30:12,521\n因為你剛有特別提到880億的一個特別條例進度我下個禮拜會送行政院嘛對不對那規模的時候還不定因為可能基於企業的要求跟整個民眾的期待所以還不定但我想什麼時候可以送到立法院院長可不可以給我們壓一個時間出行政院院會之後\n\n80\n00:30:13,656 --> 00:30:35,404\n馬上就送進立法院請大院支持這樣很快動作很快因為我們也支持而且我們認為8187搞不好還可以上修我就想問一下你知道說到目前為止我們這次總預算對凍結的案有多少案院長知道嗎凍結案總共有1413案你知道有多少案送進立法院嗎到目前為止\n\n81\n00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:44,987\n好謝謝鄭振前委員質詢謝謝主委院長各部會首長的備詢委員會我們上午的質詢到此為止特別感謝王育民委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n650\t24791\t各位報告院會現在在議場二樓旁邊的來自南投縣南投市的所有的好朋友我們掌聲歡迎我們接下來請登記51號鄭正前委員請質詢謝謝主席我想請一下卓文泰院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n36232\t63283\t縣委員好,院長好,終於可以質詢到了。我在想說,因為那個之前的時候,您曾經在那個備詢的時候,您有答到說,因為詐騙的事情是現在大多數國人都非常深惡痛絕的狀態,那您有特別提到說,政府的努力遠不及國人的要求,那我可不可以請教一下,您覺得哪部分的努力還不夠,我們還要怎麼樣去加強努力,才能夠滿足國人的要求?\n64872\t84288\t因為詐騙的手法日新月異 推神出新那我們在速度上要趕得過它所以我們很多科技執法上面的工具還要更強另外就是詐騙有的跑到國外去用國外的網站 用國外的方式像最近也出現幾個問題你知道柬埔在哪裡 有個園區\n85339\t111642\t在緬甸那跑到國外去我們這司法力量達不到那個地方去所以用遠距的方式做國內刑事詐欺是院長因為我今天曾經去柬埔寨帶過那個被詐騙的人回來所以我非常理解這個狀態可是因為最近我看到有幾個新聞是說日本人被詐騙到台灣來變成一個中繼站要往柬埔寨走造成日本人極度的一個恐慌那我覺得這對整個台灣的國際聲譽有很大的一個影響\n113023\t137854\t我們要全力來防治這個安全單位要全力來防治這個事情另外一個部分就是馬來西亞其實有國會議員他們也提到說他們去年被詐騙來台灣當車手的人比前一年增加十倍我想請教一下院長您知不知道去年在台灣涉及詐騙的外國人大概有多少人\n139660\t162588\t我想我們有165的專線還有警調系統好像有點細我只是要特別講說因為我要特別了解說到底有多少外國人其實被台灣這邊給囚禁羈押在這邊因為我看到一個數字的時候去年的時候大概有將近2000個外籍人士因為涉及詐騙人數在台灣幾乎超過一個\n166189\t188525\t高雄監獄的人數超過一個新竹監獄的人數那我希望說剛剛院長一開始就提到的狀態是說希望增加整個數位當中的監管那我希望就是針對整個落實這個對於平台業者的一個監管尤其在詐騙的事情上面這個部分可不可以請院長特別加強好的 我以為您說的\n189500\t216509\t互相異地不同的地點不同的國家互相異地來行使這種詐騙的行為越來越猖獗所以我們對於整個數位平台這部分請務必要加強因為太多的詐騙都是因為這些數位平台而產生的好不好所以我們國人去到國外被詐騙集團騙走了這個是一個很嚴重的態度現在外國人也會到台灣來罪他們自己的國人或對我們自己的國人進行詐騙這個我們要全力來防止\n219224\t228269\t接下來我要請教一個部分,因為在106年的時候行政院有特別要求國發會針對於台灣的法規鬆綁的部分我想請教一下目前這個進度如何?大概有哪些的成果?\n240899\t267954\t我們從過去對於法規的鬆綁就一直在進行對 106年之後有一個很清楚的狀態可是我們看到統計數字還是不斷的往上就是 劉主委要對 國務委員報告我們現在法規鬆綁的部分我們主要是我們定期都會跟美國商會跟歐洲商會 日本商會 紐澳商會進行溝通對於相關的法令的鬆綁\n268954\t283593\t那另外屬於在我們政策面的部分我們也積極的在只要遇到政策需要法令鬆綁我們都有進行協調跟OK 因為那個從106年到現在因為我曾經質詢過你你回答過我啦所以我這邊我就不為難院長\n284835\t302495\t因為從100年到現在我們大概全國整個法規鬆綁大概是2076項你當時有很精準的回答可是我要特別提到說法規鬆綁之後的時候我們對於整個企業的一個法尊成本是不是也有所益處院長知不知道這事情\n305439\t330025\t因為我比較小的時候我希望說因為針對企業的法尊成本的時候我希望院長也能夠特別注意因為在2008年的時候整個金融海嘯是美國多了一個ASFRANK法案就是讓金融業一年增加500億美元的一個法尊成本那我這邊特別提到一個例子從今年開始的時候環保環境部\n330985\t344523\t有一個新的法案它要求就是針對於減塑的部分要求所有的飯店業者他們不能夠用一次性的盥洗用品院長知道這個細節嗎是的你知道這個細節嗎\n347927\t372109\t可是因為它整個法規的規定的時候不夠嚴謹所以產生了一個狀態是中央有一個檢措的規定沒有問題因為整個一次用旅宿用品限制使用對象的實施方式卻規定了可是各個地方政府有不同的做法我具體講一下 比方說台北市\n373470\t399740\t他就可以向櫃台購買他沒有主動提供他向櫃台購買可是新北市跟台中市他們可以免費跟櫃台索取然後再加上台南市呢他不能夠購買也不能夠索取所以同樣一個規定的時候造成企業尤其有些連鎖飯店他們每個地方都有的時候他們的法尊成本其實會受到很大的一個影響所以我希望因為現在美國他們也在他們也在\n401080\t421501\t減少行政部門的一個cost所以我希望當我們在減低這樣的一個法規的鬆綁的時候也能夠同時考慮到法尊成本的問題那我希望院長這邊的時候能夠指示相關的部會的時候針對整個法尊的成本提出一個更具體的一個成果好不好\n423895\t444255\t其實因為這個是兩三年前就已經制定的規範但是有些縣市它自己比較積極例如說台北市過去很積極大概有六個縣市比較積極所以出現的狀態還是不一樣所以我要講到的狀態就是結果就是造成了企業尤其連鎖業者的時候他們整個的法尊成本其實是不一樣的所以我只是舉這個例子\n445376\t464384\t所以我希望院長能夠特別注意到整個法尊成本的問題因為既然我們要從106年開始就要求了一個法規鬆綁的問題所以我希望對於這個部分院長也能夠多加去注意好不好報告委員這個我再補充一下下因為我們已經跟各縣市已經協調完成了大家都統一的標準\n465710\t486368\t好的那接下來的時候我想問一下因為賴總統在2023年的時候有特別提到了一個三班互併筆的問題對不對那他特別提到了兩年要入法我想請教一下院長現在進度如何這個是在選權選後對於護理人員的\n490697\t503432\t加強護理人員更充斥於這部分做了很多的努力所以現在我們也提出了對於達標的醫院直接給予獎勵給予護理人員更多的優惠的福利\n503982\t529595\t等等我們都有一些具體的措施在裡面只有獎勵的措施嗎可是因為當時2023年講說兩年要入法今年就是要入法的一個時間所以我比較關心這個部分因為我們看到去年3月公佈的一個三班互併比的一個標準出來的時候我們就發現它從1比6到1比15都有那之前部長也特別提到說其實對於\n530855\t551267\t醫學中心的大夜班其實很難去達標對不對我大概都有特別注意到可是因為對於整個醫護人員的工作條件跟護病比這邊就產生了一個很具體的成果可以影響到國人的一個醫療照顧的一個品質的問題所以其實本席非常的關心\n553350\t564063\t賴總統當時承諾今年要讓護病筆入法這件事情是不是能夠如期做到然後來保障全體國人有一個高品質的一個醫療照顧\n570635\t588089\t我想三班護病比在這一年當中在12項留任護理人力的策略之下我們不管是醫學中心、區醫院跟地區醫院都有長足的進步譬如說我們的醫學中心前三班都達到標的已經到達60%\n589830\t593693\t那在第七院大概有到63%那我只是比較關心因為只用獎勵的部分的時候如果\n601383\t624241\t醫院沒有達到的時候那國人的醫護照顧品質就降低了然後其實也沒有一個比較強有力的一個方式去達成那因為當時提到今年要三班後面比要入法這邊所以我們其實是很期待所以我們也希望院長這邊的時候能夠加快腳步讓這件事情能夠順利然後去\n626123\t629248\t滿足賴總統當時所提出來的一個政見跟訴求好不好各界都來溝通來加緊這個講步我想維護醫療的品質特別是護理人員給他很\n639736\t656608\t因為要達到這樣的一個成績的時候因為它會牽涉到有一些醫護護理人員、醫護人員他們的一個相關的工作條件的相關的問題所以我們也希望當這個三班一面筆入法的時候其實能夠同時解決好不好\n657228\t685373\t發委員不只說三半戶面筆我們有不管是在給戶方面或護理的給戶我們已經有非常長足的投入很多的一個護理的一個獎勵的或者是在給戶方面的努力因為我相信對於護理各位部長我想這部分的時候我希望院長這邊能夠加快速度請邱部長這邊的時候儘速把它完成總統的一個主張跟訴求獎勵先行之後把現在的制度\n686584\t693084\t全部跟他做完一遍他12項措施能夠檢討以後再朝下一步的步驟來做\n694156\t715788\t因為這是賴總統的一個訴求啦跟政見的主張所以我們也希望好的東西我們希望讓他能夠真正做到如果做不到的時候就等於是賴總統的一個政見就破功了嘛那我覺得這樣也不好因為這對國人確實是好的事情我們希望院長加快腳步去做不要只停留在一個獎勵的一個階段好不好不是先行我們現在研議下一步的這個\n717468\t737815\t包括入法的研判等等那接下來的時候我一定要特別提到有關於美國對等關稅的問題那美國對等關稅的時候其實賴總統其實他也提出了一個五大的因應策略那我在想說其實然後也投書了Bramberg其實我大概都講到一些幾個重點\n738895\t755485\t那針對這部分我簡單來說一個短短的一個小結就是說美國他希望用這個關稅的部分來解決他的貿易逆差的問題然後再解決他再工業化的問題然後另外解決他美債的問題大概就是三個嘛院長認不認同\n757811\t779187\t大概是這三個方向嘛那我在想說針對那個逆差的部分的時候那總統他也特別投書當中他也提到說幾個解決的方法大眾物資的採購天然氣的採購軍購的一個採購大概都有提到要解決貿易逆差是這樣的情況沒有錯嘛對不對\n780697\t804831\t增加採購卻是一個方式但採購的能力跟內容要看我們的財政能力跟國家整個發展是需要是OK那我想先特別問一下因為他有特別提到擴大軍購的部分我想請教擴大軍購可以減少貿易逆差嗎院長通常沒有算在貿易逆差裡面沒有算在貿易逆差裡面所以說採購要考慮到我們國家的需要是所以說\n807507\t830114\t軍購沒有算在貿易逆差當中所以總統他在投書會有提到說用軍購的方式來減少貿易逆差的部分之後我就在想說既然說院長也知道說軍購沒有算在貿易的統治數字當中所以正常來說軍購應該不能減少貿易逆差才對吧是不是院長\n831011\t848503\t我們說的採購通常指的就是工業產品 農工產品這些部分所以軍購產品算不算在裡頭能源跟能源的建制等等軍購算不算在裡頭軍購它有一個廣義跟比較具體的如果廣義的部分我們還可以再做一些調整\n848854\t875481\tOK 我們簡單來講就是說一般的軍購的狀態我們一般說的軍購狀態可能就不算在貿易的統計數字當中可是商購的狀態算在這裡頭對不對那我在想說當總統他這邊提到說要用軍購的方式來平衡貿易逆差的狀態那我是不是可以用這樣的方式去推論所以我們接下來就是軍品商購的比例會大幅的增加\n876406\t889202\t這完全看我方我國的國防能力我們需要增加到什麼程度先進的武器 先進的設備等等如果我們有財政能力夠我們也需要這些來增加我們的國防從這個角度來思考\n890628\t913127\t所以說我們因為總統提到要用軍購來平衡貿易逆差那軍購你剛才講軍購的範圍很大可能有可能包括針對政府對政府的一個採購的狀態那可能也包括對於企業的一個採購的部分就是商購的部分所以我在想說如果說我們要平衡貿易逆差那是不是表示我們商購的比例就會增加這很簡單的一個邏輯嘛\n915530\t936085\t跟委員報告,我想軍購的部分雖然沒有算入這個貿易順利差的部分但是從安全的角度上來看還有展現就是說台美這樣子的一個軍事交流的合作的面向上面都是相當重要的那軍售的部分有政府跟美國政府這個保障\n936773\t956569\t對我們來講軍售還是一個相當重要的管道商售的部分呢我們大部分也是我們多元籌貨的管道之一那對這個部分的話我譬如說我們就講說有一些相關不適宜透過軍售的管道的部分的話我們會盡量以商售的管道也會來做\n957510\t983864\t現在顧部長的補充我特別提到一下因為在2017年的時候那時候蔡政府的時候她就曾經因為當時也是因為貿易利差台美貿易利差的問題的時候她有特別提到軍購的部分要來跟美國溝通減少貿易利差的一個這個部分我不知道2017年溝通的成果的時候我們是不是有達到我們要的一個狀態\n987388\t1005396\t2017年的時候因為台美貿易逆差所以當時蔡英文總統她當時就有提出了一個縮帖縮帖當中的就是說要跟美國用軍購的方式來表示我們其實並不是貿易逆差的一個狀態那我不知道那次溝通的成果如何\n1006677\t1031111\t我想後續就經貿小組跟美國在談判這件事情的時候我們可以去說明我們過去以來對美的軍購的金額是多少因為2017年蔡政府的時代的時候已經曾經提到的這個狀態所以我想說如果現在院長或部長沒辦法回答的時候你們回去再給我一個很清楚的狀態軍購不算是貿易的順利差\n1035854\t1062404\t但我們來看軍購是我們國家希望達到GDP3%的這個目標所以他是在這個範疇裡面去做思考我們國家的需要跟美國的合作跟全世界這個防衛的安全那其他的採購會主動在能源主動在工產品工業其他的採購這個沒問題所以說我們目前是用3%當標準嘛對不對當一個目標值嘛那川普提到10%我們要如何去因應\n1063442\t1078099\t大概目前我們是沒有這個能力沒有這個能力嗎?OK好那接下來的部分就講到一個天然氣採購的部分因為之前郭部長曾經有特別提到說我們接下來大概要跟美國採購的天然氣從10%提高到30%這個數字有沒有錯?\n1084844\t1113665\t報告委員我沒有說過提高到百分之三十OK媒體有這樣的一個數字出來這個是可能是這個誤傳我從來沒有說過我們會多少OK那我們預計這一部分我必須要在這邊鄭重的跟委員報告我從來不會談我們有多少比率這個我想委員你的資料可能有誤這個不是我我也沒有那個能力講說我們要投資多少\n1114141\t1137861\tOK 我回去的時候我找資料之外我再跟您這邊做一個細部討論我想請教一下因為你有提到說要增加對美國政府部門2000億的採購這個有吧 對不對2000億的數字我是說概略這樣的一個數字這個數字我有講過我記得你有提到2010年嘛 對不對對那這2010年基本上都是天然氣採購為主嗎\n1140931\t1158130\t我跟委員報告這個採購裡面包括能源包括科技包括一些我們國內需要的這些產品這裡面包括很多啦那能源的部分佔多少我不知道這個是完全由這個談判小組他們來做一些規劃\n1159031\t1184638\t我們只是提供一些資訊給這個談判小組為什麼因為我們大概啊這個需求國內的需求我們是近期我們的職責把國內的需求這十年裡面可能有多少國內的需求提供給談判小組所以兩千億這邊是你民進經濟部這邊估出來的數字是不是兩千億是兩千億不是我們估出來數字兩千億是我\n1185658\t1209546\t站在過去的經驗認為可能這樣的一個數字是值得他們參考的不是估計算下來的而是我憑我過去的經驗認為我們除了國內可以用的這個國內可以用的能源以外我也可以多採購這些能源理解那我想問採購這些能源是不是指的是阿拉斯加的LNG\n1211806\t1235854\t你採購的能源包括阿拉斯加的LNG計畫我們如果說可以透過大量的採購我們可以分享這樣的一個經濟的價值分享給我們其他的鄰國我想這個是就商業上面來講我提供我的經驗認為說我只買一定的量可能沒有談判的籌碼如果我能夠買更多的量\n1236974\t1259870\t大概可以分享給其他的國家所以你指的這部分是你想要結合哪些國家一起去處理阿拉斯加的天然氣案是這個意思嗎報告委員因為阿拉斯加的州長來亞洲訪問第一站就到我們台灣來那麼他後來也接著到其他的國家去所以我們也簽了意向書嘛對不對\n1260811\t1263352\t所以我們針對這1300公里的投資我們預計要投入多少的資金\n1271670\t1292284\t我們要投入多少資金不是根據我們想投就可以他會讓我們投多少這個美國他還要去看所以不是說我們想投就可以投多少所以我要特別提醒一下郭部長因為在2016年的時候那個是美孚他們在退出了這個計畫英國石油也退出了這個計畫\n1294025\t1323133\t康佛石油他們也推出了這個計畫那我們現在要進來接這個狀態的時候意向書簽了我知道可是我想說我們要怎麼去參與這樣的一個國際天然氣或石油的開發我覺得是很複雜的事情我理解可是我希望我們在判斷評估的時候有更多的經濟考量而不是純粹的政治考量讓台灣變成接盤俠的一個狀態可不可以承諾這個部分\n1323855\t1348373\t我們當然會考量合理的商業條件我想中油去投資它未來對於穩定的供貨來源必須有掌握住而且今日未來對LNG的需求跟過去當然是不同的所以在這個整個市場的需求上面來看我們會請經濟部 請台電合理的去評估分析這種商業條件有利於我們做開發的我們當然會爭取\n1350799\t1375564\tOK 謝謝院長那我在想說除了這個部分之外還有另外一個部分就是美國在工業化對台灣來說很重要的部分就是半導體產業那這部分有關於台積電去美國這件事情大家很多的討論我在這邊就特別的關心因為我希望說政府能夠把台積電到美國去投資這件事情但我知道部長一定覺得這是商業的一個行為企業的一個行為\n1376704\t1401761\t台積電對台灣來講確實不一般因為台灣對於整個高階技術製程的一個輸出也有一個規定那我希望這個部分的時候能夠讓台積電去美國能夠變成我們在跟美國談判的時候更好的一個籌碼那我在這邊就不特別講我要特別講到一個部分是有關於債券的部分債券的部分\n1402401\t1414506\t那因為在1944年的一個Bretton Woods的那個就是Bretton森林協議的時候把美元跟石油綁在一起讓美元霸權興起那1985年的時候廣場協議的時候\n1419128\t1447263\t日元大幅的一個升值造成日本失落的三十幾年然後一直到現在那今年的時候提出了一個海湖莊園協議那我不知道說就是院長有沒有特別關注這個問題我們要如何去面對這樣子可能美國丟出來的一個海湖莊園協議當中要求如果他真的要求讓現有的\n1448483\t1477026\t國外的一個在持有的美債的時候都換成一百年無息不可轉讓的一個債券如果發生這樣的事情我們要怎麼去面對可不可以請院長這邊回答或請央行總裁這個議題好像也談論了很久不過呢這個背後我們必須要了解一件事如果說做這樣一個轉換的時候這相當於就是美債的\n1478588\t1497575\t倒債如果說是美債都倒債的話呢那這個就是非常的危險因為美國的公債他的市場呢他是各個金融商品他定價的基礎那如果說是這樣的話呢我所以在上一次在財委會有委員在\n1500447\t1524529\t質詢這個問題的時候我那時候也非常大膽的說美國恐怕他會發生金融上的混亂金融上的危機所以這個議題雖然是大家談論的很久在我們國內的市場談論很久不過據我了解好像是國外其他的金融市場也沒有談到這個就像我們台灣這麼的熱烈\n1526910\t1555356\t謝謝楊總裁因為你剛剛提到說如果是這個狀態的時候那幾乎美國的美債就是倒債的一個狀態我覺得這很重要一個狀態我想這邊請教一下院長理解 理解因為這還沒有發生那我們也不希望它發生因為對我們台灣來講我們台灣也持有非常高額的一個美債我想請教一下院長我們現在持有的美債到底有多少佔外匯存底的百分之多少\n1559578\t1565405\t我們歐洲美國的債券我們的外債大概八成以上\n1566291\t1581396\t八成以上是不是有到九成二嗎沒有就八成左右的一個數字美債大概占八成左右的數字是不是所以大概在4300億左右4300億美元左右事實上我們台灣總共叫歐友的這個報紙都有報導我們是占第11位我們是2900多億\n1590547\t1604105\t2900多億的美債包括民間包括民間的部分所以你講的數字跟之前朱副總裁講的是不一樣的數字不一樣他是看錯了他看錯了是不是\n1605424\t1630562\tOK 那這個看錯其實影響很大因為我旁邊一些金融界企業界的朋友大家都跳腳起來而且覺得說台灣怎麼會把所有的一個外匯全部都壓在整個美債上面因為這段時間的時候很多國家都在處理他們的一個美國的國債的問題那我們有去做一個相應的處理嗎\n1631823\t1638229\t我想我們對於這個債券的一個調整都隨時在調整隨時在觀察市場的變化而隨時做調整\n1647152\t1671587\t那另外一個部分的時候因為在烏克蘭戰爭當中的時候STARLINK變得非常的重要烏克蘭幾乎是靠著STARLINK在跟國際當中的一個聯絡那在去年底之前的時候我們的政府都還覺得因為STARLINK馬斯克他們\n1672714\t1694326\t太過於親中所以覺得不能夠開放STARLINK在台灣落地因為有國安的問題可是院長你知道我們目前已經開放了你知道嗎我們在低軌衛星甚至更高的中軌更高的同步我們都有嘗試做一些合作但這個目前的狀況\n1695868\t1719651\t就是在國家安全需要底下我們都有做一些合作所以之前的時候沒有開放STARLINK是因為國家安全的考量現在又是因為國家安全的考量所以開放是這樣子的意思嗎是開放我們有尋求不同的合作理解喔那因為我在想說因為今年2月13號的時候速發布的時候開放STARLINK落地的時候跟之前\n1720492\t1749375\t考量因為國安的問題而沒有開放我就不曉得當中的轉折是在什麼地方所以我本來是希望說院長這邊可不可以做一個更詳細的一個回答這個當初的考量都有啦包括系統本身以及包括整個背後的因素等等那現在我們尋求更多元的合作因為不只只有一個廠商一個國家的一個廠商我們可以尋求更多元的合作理解喔但因為之前的時候因為之前喔\n1749895\t1771689\t就是馬斯克他曾經針對於烏克蘭用他STARLINK的時候表示整個烏克蘭就是靠他如果他斷線的時候整個烏克蘭就崩盤了那我在想說我們當時對於STARLINK沒有開放有國安的考量現在開放了之後我們之後怎麼樣運用STARLINK這部分的時候我也希望院長這邊能夠特別予以\n1772529\t1793139\t注意好不好不要變成我們到時候又變成受人家掐在我們脖子上他到時候講說如果到時候發生什麼事情他如果有斷訊的時候我們台灣就掛點我就不想看到這樣的一個事情對我們的國外安全非常的重要對外的聯繫管道我們會維護他的好那另外就是\n1794980\t1812521\t因為你剛有特別提到880億的一個特別條例進度我下個禮拜會送行政院嘛對不對那規模的時候還不定因為可能基於企業的要求跟整個民眾的期待所以還不定但我想什麼時候可以送到立法院院長可不可以給我們壓一個時間出行政院院會之後\n1813656\t1835404\t馬上就送進立法院 請大院支持這樣很快 動作很快 因為我們也支持而且我們認為8187搞不好還可以上修我就想問一下 你知道說到目前為止我們這次總預算對凍結的案有多少案 院長知道嗎凍結案總共有1413案你知道有多少案送進立法院嗎 到目前為止\n1896880\t1904987\t好 謝謝鄭振前委員質詢謝謝主委院長 各部會首長的備詢委員會 我們上午的質詢到此為止特別感謝王育民委員\n","txt":"各位報告院會現在在議場二樓旁邊的來自南投縣南投市的所有的好朋友我們掌聲歡迎我們接下來請登記51號鄭正前委員請質詢謝謝主席我想請一下卓文泰院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n縣委員好,院長好,終於可以質詢到了。我在想說,因為那個之前的時候,您曾經在那個備詢的時候,您有答到說,因為詐騙的事情是現在大多數國人都非常深惡痛絕的狀態,那您有特別提到說,政府的努力遠不及國人的要求,那我可不可以請教一下,您覺得哪部分的努力還不夠,我們還要怎麼樣去加強努力,才能夠滿足國人的要求?\n因為詐騙的手法日新月異 推神出新那我們在速度上要趕得過它所以我們很多科技執法上面的工具還要更強另外就是詐騙有的跑到國外去用國外的網站 用國外的方式像最近也出現幾個問題你知道柬埔在哪裡 有個園區\n在緬甸那跑到國外去我們這司法力量達不到那個地方去所以用遠距的方式做國內刑事詐欺是院長因為我今天曾經去柬埔寨帶過那個被詐騙的人回來所以我非常理解這個狀態可是因為最近我看到有幾個新聞是說日本人被詐騙到台灣來變成一個中繼站要往柬埔寨走造成日本人極度的一個恐慌那我覺得這對整個台灣的國際聲譽有很大的一個影響\n我們要全力來防治這個安全單位要全力來防治這個事情另外一個部分就是馬來西亞其實有國會議員他們也提到說他們去年被詐騙來台灣當車手的人比前一年增加十倍我想請教一下院長您知不知道去年在台灣涉及詐騙的外國人大概有多少人\n我想我們有165的專線還有警調系統好像有點細我只是要特別講說因為我要特別了解說到底有多少外國人其實被台灣這邊給囚禁羈押在這邊因為我看到一個數字的時候去年的時候大概有將近2000個外籍人士因為涉及詐騙人數在台灣幾乎超過一個\n高雄監獄的人數超過一個新竹監獄的人數那我希望說剛剛院長一開始就提到的狀態是說希望增加整個數位當中的監管那我希望就是針對整個落實這個對於平台業者的一個監管尤其在詐騙的事情上面這個部分可不可以請院長特別加強好的 我以為您說的\n互相異地不同的地點不同的國家互相異地來行使這種詐騙的行為越來越猖獗所以我們對於整個數位平台這部分請務必要加強因為太多的詐騙都是因為這些數位平台而產生的好不好所以我們國人去到國外被詐騙集團騙走了這個是一個很嚴重的態度現在外國人也會到台灣來罪他們自己的國人或對我們自己的國人進行詐騙這個我們要全力來防止\n接下來我要請教一個部分,因為在106年的時候行政院有特別要求國發會針對於台灣的法規鬆綁的部分我想請教一下目前這個進度如何?大概有哪些的成果?\n我們從過去對於法規的鬆綁就一直在進行對 106年之後有一個很清楚的狀態可是我們看到統計數字還是不斷的往上就是 劉主委要對 國務委員報告我們現在法規鬆綁的部分我們主要是我們定期都會跟美國商會跟歐洲商會 日本商會 紐澳商會進行溝通對於相關的法令的鬆綁\n那另外屬於在我們政策面的部分我們也積極的在只要遇到政策需要法令鬆綁我們都有進行協調跟OK 因為那個從106年到現在因為我曾經質詢過你你回答過我啦所以我這邊我就不為難院長\n因為從100年到現在我們大概全國整個法規鬆綁大概是2076項你當時有很精準的回答可是我要特別提到說法規鬆綁之後的時候我們對於整個企業的一個法尊成本是不是也有所益處院長知不知道這事情\n因為我比較小的時候我希望說因為針對企業的法尊成本的時候我希望院長也能夠特別注意因為在2008年的時候整個金融海嘯是美國多了一個ASFRANK法案就是讓金融業一年增加500億美元的一個法尊成本那我這邊特別提到一個例子從今年開始的時候環保環境部\n有一個新的法案它要求就是針對於減塑的部分要求所有的飯店業者他們不能夠用一次性的盥洗用品院長知道這個細節嗎是的你知道這個細節嗎\n可是因為它整個法規的規定的時候不夠嚴謹所以產生了一個狀態是中央有一個檢措的規定沒有問題因為整個一次用旅宿用品限制使用對象的實施方式卻規定了可是各個地方政府有不同的做法我具體講一下 比方說台北市\n他就可以向櫃台購買他沒有主動提供他向櫃台購買可是新北市跟台中市他們可以免費跟櫃台索取然後再加上台南市呢他不能夠購買也不能夠索取所以同樣一個規定的時候造成企業尤其有些連鎖飯店他們每個地方都有的時候他們的法尊成本其實會受到很大的一個影響所以我希望因為現在美國他們也在他們也在\n減少行政部門的一個cost所以我希望當我們在減低這樣的一個法規的鬆綁的時候也能夠同時考慮到法尊成本的問題那我希望院長這邊的時候能夠指示相關的部會的時候針對整個法尊的成本提出一個更具體的一個成果好不好\n其實因為這個是兩三年前就已經制定的規範但是有些縣市它自己比較積極例如說台北市過去很積極大概有六個縣市比較積極所以出現的狀態還是不一樣所以我要講到的狀態就是結果就是造成了企業尤其連鎖業者的時候他們整個的法尊成本其實是不一樣的所以我只是舉這個例子\n所以我希望院長能夠特別注意到整個法尊成本的問題因為既然我們要從106年開始就要求了一個法規鬆綁的問題所以我希望對於這個部分院長也能夠多加去注意好不好報告委員這個我再補充一下下因為我們已經跟各縣市已經協調完成了大家都統一的標準\n好的那接下來的時候我想問一下因為賴總統在2023年的時候有特別提到了一個三班互併筆的問題對不對那他特別提到了兩年要入法我想請教一下院長現在進度如何這個是在選權選後對於護理人員的\n加強護理人員更充斥於這部分做了很多的努力所以現在我們也提出了對於達標的醫院直接給予獎勵給予護理人員更多的優惠的福利\n等等我們都有一些具體的措施在裡面只有獎勵的措施嗎可是因為當時2023年講說兩年要入法今年就是要入法的一個時間所以我比較關心這個部分因為我們看到去年3月公佈的一個三班互併比的一個標準出來的時候我們就發現它從1比6到1比15都有那之前部長也特別提到說其實對於\n醫學中心的大夜班其實很難去達標對不對我大概都有特別注意到可是因為對於整個醫護人員的工作條件跟護病比這邊就產生了一個很具體的成果可以影響到國人的一個醫療照顧的一個品質的問題所以其實本席非常的關心\n賴總統當時承諾今年要讓護病筆入法這件事情是不是能夠如期做到然後來保障全體國人有一個高品質的一個醫療照顧\n我想三班護病比在這一年當中在12項留任護理人力的策略之下我們不管是醫學中心、區醫院跟地區醫院都有長足的進步譬如說我們的醫學中心前三班都達到標的已經到達60%\n那在第七院大概有到63%那我只是比較關心因為只用獎勵的部分的時候如果\n醫院沒有達到的時候那國人的醫護照顧品質就降低了然後其實也沒有一個比較強有力的一個方式去達成那因為當時提到今年要三班後面比要入法這邊所以我們其實是很期待所以我們也希望院長這邊的時候能夠加快腳步讓這件事情能夠順利然後去\n滿足賴總統當時所提出來的一個政見跟訴求好不好各界都來溝通來加緊這個講步我想維護醫療的品質特別是護理人員給他很\n因為要達到這樣的一個成績的時候因為它會牽涉到有一些醫護護理人員、醫護人員他們的一個相關的工作條件的相關的問題所以我們也希望當這個三班一面筆入法的時候其實能夠同時解決好不好\n發委員不只說三半戶面筆我們有不管是在給戶方面或護理的給戶我們已經有非常長足的投入很多的一個護理的一個獎勵的或者是在給戶方面的努力因為我相信對於護理各位部長我想這部分的時候我希望院長這邊能夠加快速度請邱部長這邊的時候儘速把它完成總統的一個主張跟訴求獎勵先行之後把現在的制度\n全部跟他做完一遍他12項措施能夠檢討以後再朝下一步的步驟來做\n因為這是賴總統的一個訴求啦跟政見的主張所以我們也希望好的東西我們希望讓他能夠真正做到如果做不到的時候就等於是賴總統的一個政見就破功了嘛那我覺得這樣也不好因為這對國人確實是好的事情我們希望院長加快腳步去做不要只停留在一個獎勵的一個階段好不好不是先行我們現在研議下一步的這個\n包括入法的研判等等那接下來的時候我一定要特別提到有關於美國對等關稅的問題那美國對等關稅的時候其實賴總統其實他也提出了一個五大的因應策略那我在想說其實然後也投書了Bramberg其實我大概都講到一些幾個重點\n那針對這部分我簡單來說一個短短的一個小結就是說美國他希望用這個關稅的部分來解決他的貿易逆差的問題然後再解決他再工業化的問題然後另外解決他美債的問題大概就是三個嘛院長認不認同\n大概是這三個方向嘛那我在想說針對那個逆差的部分的時候那總統他也特別投書當中他也提到說幾個解決的方法大眾物資的採購天然氣的採購軍購的一個採購大概都有提到要解決貿易逆差是這樣的情況沒有錯嘛對不對\n增加採購卻是一個方式但採購的能力跟內容要看我們的財政能力跟國家整個發展是需要是OK那我想先特別問一下因為他有特別提到擴大軍購的部分我想請教擴大軍購可以減少貿易逆差嗎院長通常沒有算在貿易逆差裡面沒有算在貿易逆差裡面所以說採購要考慮到我們國家的需要是所以說\n軍購沒有算在貿易逆差當中所以總統他在投書會有提到說用軍購的方式來減少貿易逆差的部分之後我就在想說既然說院長也知道說軍購沒有算在貿易的統治數字當中所以正常來說軍購應該不能減少貿易逆差才對吧是不是院長\n我們說的採購通常指的就是工業產品 農工產品這些部分所以軍購產品算不算在裡頭能源跟能源的建制等等軍購算不算在裡頭軍購它有一個廣義跟比較具體的如果廣義的部分我們還可以再做一些調整\nOK 我們簡單來講就是說一般的軍購的狀態我們一般說的軍購狀態可能就不算在貿易的統計數字當中可是商購的狀態算在這裡頭對不對那我在想說當總統他這邊提到說要用軍購的方式來平衡貿易逆差的狀態那我是不是可以用這樣的方式去推論所以我們接下來就是軍品商購的比例會大幅的增加\n這完全看我方我國的國防能力我們需要增加到什麼程度先進的武器 先進的設備等等如果我們有財政能力夠我們也需要這些來增加我們的國防從這個角度來思考\n所以說我們因為總統提到要用軍購來平衡貿易逆差那軍購你剛才講軍購的範圍很大可能有可能包括針對政府對政府的一個採購的狀態那可能也包括對於企業的一個採購的部分就是商購的部分所以我在想說如果說我們要平衡貿易逆差那是不是表示我們商購的比例就會增加這很簡單的一個邏輯嘛\n跟委員報告,我想軍購的部分雖然沒有算入這個貿易順利差的部分但是從安全的角度上來看還有展現就是說台美這樣子的一個軍事交流的合作的面向上面都是相當重要的那軍售的部分有政府跟美國政府這個保障\n對我們來講軍售還是一個相當重要的管道商售的部分呢我們大部分也是我們多元籌貨的管道之一那對這個部分的話我譬如說我們就講說有一些相關不適宜透過軍售的管道的部分的話我們會盡量以商售的管道也會來做\n現在顧部長的補充我特別提到一下因為在2017年的時候那時候蔡政府的時候她就曾經因為當時也是因為貿易利差台美貿易利差的問題的時候她有特別提到軍購的部分要來跟美國溝通減少貿易利差的一個這個部分我不知道2017年溝通的成果的時候我們是不是有達到我們要的一個狀態\n2017年的時候因為台美貿易逆差所以當時蔡英文總統她當時就有提出了一個縮帖縮帖當中的就是說要跟美國用軍購的方式來表示我們其實並不是貿易逆差的一個狀態那我不知道那次溝通的成果如何\n我想後續就經貿小組跟美國在談判這件事情的時候我們可以去說明我們過去以來對美的軍購的金額是多少因為2017年蔡政府的時代的時候已經曾經提到的這個狀態所以我想說如果現在院長或部長沒辦法回答的時候你們回去再給我一個很清楚的狀態軍購不算是貿易的順利差\n但我們來看軍購是我們國家希望達到GDP3%的這個目標所以他是在這個範疇裡面去做思考我們國家的需要跟美國的合作跟全世界這個防衛的安全那其他的採購會主動在能源主動在工產品工業其他的採購這個沒問題所以說我們目前是用3%當標準嘛對不對當一個目標值嘛那川普提到10%我們要如何去因應\n大概目前我們是沒有這個能力沒有這個能力嗎?OK好那接下來的部分就講到一個天然氣採購的部分因為之前郭部長曾經有特別提到說我們接下來大概要跟美國採購的天然氣從10%提高到30%這個數字有沒有錯?\n報告委員我沒有說過提高到百分之三十OK媒體有這樣的一個數字出來這個是可能是這個誤傳我從來沒有說過我們會多少OK那我們預計這一部分我必須要在這邊鄭重的跟委員報告我從來不會談我們有多少比率這個我想委員你的資料可能有誤這個不是我我也沒有那個能力講說我們要投資多少\nOK 我回去的時候我找資料之外我再跟您這邊做一個細部討論我想請教一下因為你有提到說要增加對美國政府部門2000億的採購這個有吧 對不對2000億的數字我是說概略這樣的一個數字這個數字我有講過我記得你有提到2010年嘛 對不對對那這2010年基本上都是天然氣採購為主嗎\n我跟委員報告這個採購裡面包括能源包括科技包括一些我們國內需要的這些產品這裡面包括很多啦那能源的部分佔多少我不知道這個是完全由這個談判小組他們來做一些規劃\n我們只是提供一些資訊給這個談判小組為什麼因為我們大概啊這個需求國內的需求我們是近期我們的職責把國內的需求這十年裡面可能有多少國內的需求提供給談判小組所以兩千億這邊是你民進經濟部這邊估出來的數字是不是兩千億是兩千億不是我們估出來數字兩千億是我\n站在過去的經驗認為可能這樣的一個數字是值得他們參考的不是估計算下來的而是我憑我過去的經驗認為我們除了國內可以用的這個國內可以用的能源以外我也可以多採購這些能源理解那我想問採購這些能源是不是指的是阿拉斯加的LNG\n你採購的能源包括阿拉斯加的LNG計畫我們如果說可以透過大量的採購我們可以分享這樣的一個經濟的價值分享給我們其他的鄰國我想這個是就商業上面來講我提供我的經驗認為說我只買一定的量可能沒有談判的籌碼如果我能夠買更多的量\n大概可以分享給其他的國家所以你指的這部分是你想要結合哪些國家一起去處理阿拉斯加的天然氣案是這個意思嗎報告委員因為阿拉斯加的州長來亞洲訪問第一站就到我們台灣來那麼他後來也接著到其他的國家去所以我們也簽了意向書嘛對不對\n所以我們針對這1300公里的投資我們預計要投入多少的資金\n我們要投入多少資金不是根據我們想投就可以他會讓我們投多少這個美國他還要去看所以不是說我們想投就可以投多少所以我要特別提醒一下郭部長因為在2016年的時候那個是美孚他們在退出了這個計畫英國石油也退出了這個計畫\n康佛石油他們也推出了這個計畫那我們現在要進來接這個狀態的時候意向書簽了我知道可是我想說我們要怎麼去參與這樣的一個國際天然氣或石油的開發我覺得是很複雜的事情我理解可是我希望我們在判斷評估的時候有更多的經濟考量而不是純粹的政治考量讓台灣變成接盤俠的一個狀態可不可以承諾這個部分\n我們當然會考量合理的商業條件我想中油去投資它未來對於穩定的供貨來源必須有掌握住而且今日未來對LNG的需求跟過去當然是不同的所以在這個整個市場的需求上面來看我們會請經濟部 請台電合理的去評估分析這種商業條件有利於我們做開發的我們當然會爭取\nOK 謝謝院長那我在想說除了這個部分之外還有另外一個部分就是美國在工業化對台灣來說很重要的部分就是半導體產業那這部分有關於台積電去美國這件事情大家很多的討論我在這邊就特別的關心因為我希望說政府能夠把台積電到美國去投資這件事情但我知道部長一定覺得這是商業的一個行為企業的一個行為\n台積電對台灣來講確實不一般因為台灣對於整個高階技術製程的一個輸出也有一個規定那我希望這個部分的時候能夠讓台積電去美國能夠變成我們在跟美國談判的時候更好的一個籌碼那我在這邊就不特別講我要特別講到一個部分是有關於債券的部分債券的部分\n那因為在1944年的一個Bretton Woods的那個就是Bretton森林協議的時候把美元跟石油綁在一起讓美元霸權興起那1985年的時候廣場協議的時候\n日元大幅的一個升值造成日本失落的三十幾年然後一直到現在那今年的時候提出了一個海湖莊園協議那我不知道說就是院長有沒有特別關注這個問題我們要如何去面對這樣子可能美國丟出來的一個海湖莊園協議當中要求如果他真的要求讓現有的\n國外的一個在持有的美債的時候都換成一百年無息不可轉讓的一個債券如果發生這樣的事情我們要怎麼去面對可不可以請院長這邊回答或請央行總裁這個議題好像也談論了很久不過呢這個背後我們必須要了解一件事如果說做這樣一個轉換的時候這相當於就是美債的\n倒債如果說是美債都倒債的話呢那這個就是非常的危險因為美國的公債他的市場呢他是各個金融商品他定價的基礎那如果說是這樣的話呢我所以在上一次在財委會有委員在\n質詢這個問題的時候我那時候也非常大膽的說美國恐怕他會發生金融上的混亂金融上的危機所以這個議題雖然是大家談論的很久在我們國內的市場談論很久不過據我了解好像是國外其他的金融市場也沒有談到這個就像我們台灣這麼的熱烈\n謝謝楊總裁因為你剛剛提到說如果是這個狀態的時候那幾乎美國的美債就是倒債的一個狀態我覺得這很重要一個狀態我想這邊請教一下院長理解 理解因為這還沒有發生那我們也不希望它發生因為對我們台灣來講我們台灣也持有非常高額的一個美債我想請教一下院長我們現在持有的美債到底有多少佔外匯存底的百分之多少\n我們歐洲美國的債券我們的外債大概八成以上\n八成以上是不是有到九成二嗎沒有就八成左右的一個數字美債大概占八成左右的數字是不是所以大概在4300億左右4300億美元左右事實上我們台灣總共叫歐友的這個報紙都有報導我們是占第11位我們是2900多億\n2900多億的美債包括民間包括民間的部分所以你講的數字跟之前朱副總裁講的是不一樣的數字不一樣他是看錯了他看錯了是不是\nOK 那這個看錯其實影響很大因為我旁邊一些金融界企業界的朋友大家都跳腳起來而且覺得說台灣怎麼會把所有的一個外匯全部都壓在整個美債上面因為這段時間的時候很多國家都在處理他們的一個美國的國債的問題那我們有去做一個相應的處理嗎\n我想我們對於這個債券的一個調整都隨時在調整隨時在觀察市場的變化而隨時做調整\n那另外一個部分的時候因為在烏克蘭戰爭當中的時候STARLINK變得非常的重要烏克蘭幾乎是靠著STARLINK在跟國際當中的一個聯絡那在去年底之前的時候我們的政府都還覺得因為STARLINK馬斯克他們\n太過於親中所以覺得不能夠開放STARLINK在台灣落地因為有國安的問題可是院長你知道我們目前已經開放了你知道嗎我們在低軌衛星甚至更高的中軌更高的同步我們都有嘗試做一些合作但這個目前的狀況\n就是在國家安全需要底下我們都有做一些合作所以之前的時候沒有開放STARLINK是因為國家安全的考量現在又是因為國家安全的考量所以開放是這樣子的意思嗎是開放我們有尋求不同的合作理解喔那因為我在想說因為今年2月13號的時候速發布的時候開放STARLINK落地的時候跟之前\n考量因為國安的問題而沒有開放我就不曉得當中的轉折是在什麼地方所以我本來是希望說院長這邊可不可以做一個更詳細的一個回答這個當初的考量都有啦包括系統本身以及包括整個背後的因素等等那現在我們尋求更多元的合作因為不只只有一個廠商一個國家的一個廠商我們可以尋求更多元的合作理解喔但因為之前的時候因為之前喔\n就是馬斯克他曾經針對於烏克蘭用他STARLINK的時候表示整個烏克蘭就是靠他如果他斷線的時候整個烏克蘭就崩盤了那我在想說我們當時對於STARLINK沒有開放有國安的考量現在開放了之後我們之後怎麼樣運用STARLINK這部分的時候我也希望院長這邊能夠特別予以\n注意好不好不要變成我們到時候又變成受人家掐在我們脖子上他到時候講說如果到時候發生什麼事情他如果有斷訊的時候我們台灣就掛點我就不想看到這樣的一個事情對我們的國外安全非常的重要對外的聯繫管道我們會維護他的好那另外就是\n因為你剛有特別提到880億的一個特別條例進度我下個禮拜會送行政院嘛對不對那規模的時候還不定因為可能基於企業的要求跟整個民眾的期待所以還不定但我想什麼時候可以送到立法院院長可不可以給我們壓一個時間出行政院院會之後\n馬上就送進立法院 請大院支持這樣很快 動作很快 因為我們也支持而且我們認為8187搞不好還可以上修我就想問一下 你知道說到目前為止我們這次總預算對凍結的案有多少案 院長知道嗎凍結案總共有1413案你知道有多少案送進立法院嗎 到目前為止\n好 謝謝鄭振前委員質詢謝謝主委院長 各部會首長的備詢委員會 我們上午的質詢到此為止特別感謝王育民委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.650 --> 00:24.791\n各位報告院會現在在議場二樓旁邊的來自南投縣南投市的所有的好朋友我們掌聲歡迎我們接下來請登記51號鄭正前委員請質詢謝謝主席我想請一下卓文泰院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n\n00:36.232 --> 01:03.283\n縣委員好,院長好,終於可以質詢到了。我在想說,因為那個之前的時候,您曾經在那個備詢的時候,您有答到說,因為詐騙的事情是現在大多數國人都非常深惡痛絕的狀態,那您有特別提到說,政府的努力遠不及國人的要求,那我可不可以請教一下,您覺得哪部分的努力還不夠,我們還要怎麼樣去加強努力,才能夠滿足國人的要求?\n\n01:04.872 --> 01:24.288\n因為詐騙的手法日新月異推神出新那我們在速度上要趕得過它所以我們很多科技執法上面的工具還要更強另外就是詐騙有的跑到國外去用國外的網站用國外的方式像最近也出現幾個問題你知道柬埔在哪裡有個園區\n\n01:25.339 --> 01:51.642\n在緬甸那跑到國外去我們這司法力量達不到那個地方去所以用遠距的方式做國內刑事詐欺是院長因為我今天曾經去柬埔寨帶過那個被詐騙的人回來所以我非常理解這個狀態可是因為最近我看到有幾個新聞是說日本人被詐騙到台灣來變成一個中繼站要往柬埔寨走造成日本人極度的一個恐慌那我覺得這對整個台灣的國際聲譽有很大的一個影響\n\n01:53.023 --> 02:17.854\n我們要全力來防治這個安全單位要全力來防治這個事情另外一個部分就是馬來西亞其實有國會議員他們也提到說他們去年被詐騙來台灣當車手的人比前一年增加十倍我想請教一下院長您知不知道去年在台灣涉及詐騙的外國人大概有多少人\n\n02:19.660 --> 02:42.588\n我想我們有165的專線還有警調系統好像有點細我只是要特別講說因為我要特別了解說到底有多少外國人其實被台灣這邊給囚禁羈押在這邊因為我看到一個數字的時候去年的時候大概有將近2000個外籍人士因為涉及詐騙人數在台灣幾乎超過一個\n\n02:46.189 --> 03:08.525\n高雄監獄的人數超過一個新竹監獄的人數那我希望說剛剛院長一開始就提到的狀態是說希望增加整個數位當中的監管那我希望就是針對整個落實這個對於平台業者的一個監管尤其在詐騙的事情上面這個部分可不可以請院長特別加強好的我以為您說的\n\n03:09.500 --> 03:36.509\n互相異地不同的地點不同的國家互相異地來行使這種詐騙的行為越來越猖獗所以我們對於整個數位平台這部分請務必要加強因為太多的詐騙都是因為這些數位平台而產生的好不好所以我們國人去到國外被詐騙集團騙走了這個是一個很嚴重的態度現在外國人也會到台灣來罪他們自己的國人或對我們自己的國人進行詐騙這個我們要全力來防止\n\n03:39.224 --> 03:48.269\n接下來我要請教一個部分,因為在106年的時候行政院有特別要求國發會針對於台灣的法規鬆綁的部分我想請教一下目前這個進度如何?大概有哪些的成果?\n\n04:00.899 --> 04:27.954\n我們從過去對於法規的鬆綁就一直在進行對106年之後有一個很清楚的狀態可是我們看到統計數字還是不斷的往上就是劉主委要對國務委員報告我們現在法規鬆綁的部分我們主要是我們定期都會跟美國商會跟歐洲商會日本商會紐澳商會進行溝通對於相關的法令的鬆綁\n\n04:28.954 --> 04:43.593\n那另外屬於在我們政策面的部分我們也積極的在只要遇到政策需要法令鬆綁我們都有進行協調跟OK因為那個從106年到現在因為我曾經質詢過你你回答過我啦所以我這邊我就不為難院長\n\n04:44.835 --> 05:02.495\n因為從100年到現在我們大概全國整個法規鬆綁大概是2076項你當時有很精準的回答可是我要特別提到說法規鬆綁之後的時候我們對於整個企業的一個法尊成本是不是也有所益處院長知不知道這事情\n\n05:05.439 --> 05:30.025\n因為我比較小的時候我希望說因為針對企業的法尊成本的時候我希望院長也能夠特別注意因為在2008年的時候整個金融海嘯是美國多了一個ASFRANK法案就是讓金融業一年增加500億美元的一個法尊成本那我這邊特別提到一個例子從今年開始的時候環保環境部\n\n05:30.985 --> 05:44.523\n有一個新的法案它要求就是針對於減塑的部分要求所有的飯店業者他們不能夠用一次性的盥洗用品院長知道這個細節嗎是的你知道這個細節嗎\n\n05:47.927 --> 06:12.109\n可是因為它整個法規的規定的時候不夠嚴謹所以產生了一個狀態是中央有一個檢措的規定沒有問題因為整個一次用旅宿用品限制使用對象的實施方式卻規定了可是各個地方政府有不同的做法我具體講一下比方說台北市\n\n06:13.470 --> 06:39.740\n他就可以向櫃台購買他沒有主動提供他向櫃台購買可是新北市跟台中市他們可以免費跟櫃台索取然後再加上台南市呢他不能夠購買也不能夠索取所以同樣一個規定的時候造成企業尤其有些連鎖飯店他們每個地方都有的時候他們的法尊成本其實會受到很大的一個影響所以我希望因為現在美國他們也在他們也在\n\n06:41.080 --> 07:01.501\n減少行政部門的一個cost所以我希望當我們在減低這樣的一個法規的鬆綁的時候也能夠同時考慮到法尊成本的問題那我希望院長這邊的時候能夠指示相關的部會的時候針對整個法尊的成本提出一個更具體的一個成果好不好\n\n07:03.895 --> 07:24.255\n其實因為這個是兩三年前就已經制定的規範但是有些縣市它自己比較積極例如說台北市過去很積極大概有六個縣市比較積極所以出現的狀態還是不一樣所以我要講到的狀態就是結果就是造成了企業尤其連鎖業者的時候他們整個的法尊成本其實是不一樣的所以我只是舉這個例子\n\n07:25.376 --> 07:44.384\n所以我希望院長能夠特別注意到整個法尊成本的問題因為既然我們要從106年開始就要求了一個法規鬆綁的問題所以我希望對於這個部分院長也能夠多加去注意好不好報告委員這個我再補充一下下因為我們已經跟各縣市已經協調完成了大家都統一的標準\n\n07:45.710 --> 08:06.368\n好的那接下來的時候我想問一下因為賴總統在2023年的時候有特別提到了一個三班互併筆的問題對不對那他特別提到了兩年要入法我想請教一下院長現在進度如何這個是在選權選後對於護理人員的\n\n08:10.697 --> 08:23.432\n加強護理人員更充斥於這部分做了很多的努力所以現在我們也提出了對於達標的醫院直接給予獎勵給予護理人員更多的優惠的福利\n\n08:23.982 --> 08:49.595\n等等我們都有一些具體的措施在裡面只有獎勵的措施嗎可是因為當時2023年講說兩年要入法今年就是要入法的一個時間所以我比較關心這個部分因為我們看到去年3月公佈的一個三班互併比的一個標準出來的時候我們就發現它從1比6到1比15都有那之前部長也特別提到說其實對於\n\n08:50.855 --> 09:11.267\n醫學中心的大夜班其實很難去達標對不對我大概都有特別注意到可是因為對於整個醫護人員的工作條件跟護病比這邊就產生了一個很具體的成果可以影響到國人的一個醫療照顧的一個品質的問題所以其實本席非常的關心\n\n09:13.350 --> 09:24.063\n賴總統當時承諾今年要讓護病筆入法這件事情是不是能夠如期做到然後來保障全體國人有一個高品質的一個醫療照顧\n\n09:30.635 --> 09:48.089\n我想三班護病比在這一年當中在12項留任護理人力的策略之下我們不管是醫學中心、區醫院跟地區醫院都有長足的進步譬如說我們的醫學中心前三班都達到標的已經到達60%\n\n09:49.830 --> 09:53.693\n那在第七院大概有到63%那我只是比較關心因為只用獎勵的部分的時候如果\n\n10:01.383 --> 10:24.241\n醫院沒有達到的時候那國人的醫護照顧品質就降低了然後其實也沒有一個比較強有力的一個方式去達成那因為當時提到今年要三班後面比要入法這邊所以我們其實是很期待所以我們也希望院長這邊的時候能夠加快腳步讓這件事情能夠順利然後去\n\n10:26.123 --> 10:29.248\n滿足賴總統當時所提出來的一個政見跟訴求好不好各界都來溝通來加緊這個講步我想維護醫療的品質特別是護理人員給他很\n\n10:39.736 --> 10:56.608\n因為要達到這樣的一個成績的時候因為它會牽涉到有一些醫護護理人員、醫護人員他們的一個相關的工作條件的相關的問題所以我們也希望當這個三班一面筆入法的時候其實能夠同時解決好不好\n\n10:57.228 --> 11:25.373\n發委員不只說三半戶面筆我們有不管是在給戶方面或護理的給戶我們已經有非常長足的投入很多的一個護理的一個獎勵的或者是在給戶方面的努力因為我相信對於護理各位部長我想這部分的時候我希望院長這邊能夠加快速度請邱部長這邊的時候儘速把它完成總統的一個主張跟訴求獎勵先行之後把現在的制度\n\n11:26.584 --> 11:33.084\n全部跟他做完一遍他12項措施能夠檢討以後再朝下一步的步驟來做\n\n11:34.156 --> 11:55.788\n因為這是賴總統的一個訴求啦跟政見的主張所以我們也希望好的東西我們希望讓他能夠真正做到如果做不到的時候就等於是賴總統的一個政見就破功了嘛那我覺得這樣也不好因為這對國人確實是好的事情我們希望院長加快腳步去做不要只停留在一個獎勵的一個階段好不好不是先行我們現在研議下一步的這個\n\n11:57.468 --> 12:17.815\n包括入法的研判等等那接下來的時候我一定要特別提到有關於美國對等關稅的問題那美國對等關稅的時候其實賴總統其實他也提出了一個五大的因應策略那我在想說其實然後也投書了Bramberg其實我大概都講到一些幾個重點\n\n12:18.895 --> 12:35.485\n那針對這部分我簡單來說一個短短的一個小結就是說美國他希望用這個關稅的部分來解決他的貿易逆差的問題然後再解決他再工業化的問題然後另外解決他美債的問題大概就是三個嘛院長認不認同\n\n12:37.811 --> 12:59.187\n大概是這三個方向嘛那我在想說針對那個逆差的部分的時候那總統他也特別投書當中他也提到說幾個解決的方法大眾物資的採購天然氣的採購軍購的一個採購大概都有提到要解決貿易逆差是這樣的情況沒有錯嘛對不對\n\n13:00.697 --> 13:24.831\n增加採購卻是一個方式但採購的能力跟內容要看我們的財政能力跟國家整個發展是需要是OK那我想先特別問一下因為他有特別提到擴大軍購的部分我想請教擴大軍購可以減少貿易逆差嗎院長通常沒有算在貿易逆差裡面沒有算在貿易逆差裡面所以說採購要考慮到我們國家的需要是所以說\n\n13:27.507 --> 13:50.114\n軍購沒有算在貿易逆差當中所以總統他在投書會有提到說用軍購的方式來減少貿易逆差的部分之後我就在想說既然說院長也知道說軍購沒有算在貿易的統治數字當中所以正常來說軍購應該不能減少貿易逆差才對吧是不是院長\n\n13:51.011 --> 14:08.503\n我們說的採購通常指的就是工業產品農工產品這些部分所以軍購產品算不算在裡頭能源跟能源的建制等等軍購算不算在裡頭軍購它有一個廣義跟比較具體的如果廣義的部分我們還可以再做一些調整\n\n14:08.854 --> 14:35.481\nOK我們簡單來講就是說一般的軍購的狀態我們一般說的軍購狀態可能就不算在貿易的統計數字當中可是商購的狀態算在這裡頭對不對那我在想說當總統他這邊提到說要用軍購的方式來平衡貿易逆差的狀態那我是不是可以用這樣的方式去推論所以我們接下來就是軍品商購的比例會大幅的增加\n\n14:36.406 --> 14:49.202\n這完全看我方我國的國防能力我們需要增加到什麼程度先進的武器先進的設備等等如果我們有財政能力夠我們也需要這些來增加我們的國防從這個角度來思考\n\n14:50.628 --> 15:13.127\n所以說我們因為總統提到要用軍購來平衡貿易逆差那軍購你剛才講軍購的範圍很大可能有可能包括針對政府對政府的一個採購的狀態那可能也包括對於企業的一個採購的部分就是商購的部分所以我在想說如果說我們要平衡貿易逆差那是不是表示我們商購的比例就會增加這很簡單的一個邏輯嘛\n\n15:15.530 --> 15:36.085\n跟委員報告,我想軍購的部分雖然沒有算入這個貿易順利差的部分但是從安全的角度上來看還有展現就是說台美這樣子的一個軍事交流的合作的面向上面都是相當重要的那軍售的部分有政府跟美國政府這個保障\n\n15:36.773 --> 15:56.569\n對我們來講軍售還是一個相當重要的管道商售的部分呢我們大部分也是我們多元籌貨的管道之一那對這個部分的話我譬如說我們就講說有一些相關不適宜透過軍售的管道的部分的話我們會盡量以商售的管道也會來做\n\n15:57.510 --> 16:23.864\n現在顧部長的補充我特別提到一下因為在2017年的時候那時候蔡政府的時候她就曾經因為當時也是因為貿易利差台美貿易利差的問題的時候她有特別提到軍購的部分要來跟美國溝通減少貿易利差的一個這個部分我不知道2017年溝通的成果的時候我們是不是有達到我們要的一個狀態\n\n16:27.388 --> 16:45.396\n2017年的時候因為台美貿易逆差所以當時蔡英文總統她當時就有提出了一個縮帖縮帖當中的就是說要跟美國用軍購的方式來表示我們其實並不是貿易逆差的一個狀態那我不知道那次溝通的成果如何\n\n16:46.677 --> 17:11.111\n我想後續就經貿小組跟美國在談判這件事情的時候我們可以去說明我們過去以來對美的軍購的金額是多少因為2017年蔡政府的時代的時候已經曾經提到的這個狀態所以我想說如果現在院長或部長沒辦法回答的時候你們回去再給我一個很清楚的狀態軍購不算是貿易的順利差\n\n17:15.854 --> 17:42.404\n但我們來看軍購是我們國家希望達到GDP3%的這個目標所以他是在這個範疇裡面去做思考我們國家的需要跟美國的合作跟全世界這個防衛的安全那其他的採購會主動在能源主動在工產品工業其他的採購這個沒問題所以說我們目前是用3%當標準嘛對不對當一個目標值嘛那川普提到10%我們要如何去因應\n\n17:43.442 --> 17:58.099\n大概目前我們是沒有這個能力沒有這個能力嗎?OK好那接下來的部分就講到一個天然氣採購的部分因為之前郭部長曾經有特別提到說我們接下來大概要跟美國採購的天然氣從10%提高到30%這個數字有沒有錯?\n\n18:04.844 --> 18:33.665\n報告委員我沒有說過提高到百分之三十OK媒體有這樣的一個數字出來這個是可能是這個誤傳我從來沒有說過我們會多少OK那我們預計這一部分我必須要在這邊鄭重的跟委員報告我從來不會談我們有多少比率這個我想委員你的資料可能有誤這個不是我我也沒有那個能力講說我們要投資多少\n\n18:34.141 --> 18:57.861\nOK我回去的時候我找資料之外我再跟您這邊做一個細部討論我想請教一下因為你有提到說要增加對美國政府部門2000億的採購這個有吧對不對2000億的數字我是說概略這樣的一個數字這個數字我有講過我記得你有提到2010年嘛對不對對那這2010年基本上都是天然氣採購為主嗎\n\n19:00.931 --> 19:18.130\n我跟委員報告這個採購裡面包括能源包括科技包括一些我們國內需要的這些產品這裡面包括很多啦那能源的部分佔多少我不知道這個是完全由這個談判小組他們來做一些規劃\n\n19:19.031 --> 19:44.638\n我們只是提供一些資訊給這個談判小組為什麼因為我們大概啊這個需求國內的需求我們是近期我們的職責把國內的需求這十年裡面可能有多少國內的需求提供給談判小組所以兩千億這邊是你民進經濟部這邊估出來的數字是不是兩千億是兩千億不是我們估出來數字兩千億是我\n\n19:45.658 --> 20:09.546\n站在過去的經驗認為可能這樣的一個數字是值得他們參考的不是估計算下來的而是我憑我過去的經驗認為我們除了國內可以用的這個國內可以用的能源以外我也可以多採購這些能源理解那我想問採購這些能源是不是指的是阿拉斯加的LNG\n\n20:11.806 --> 20:35.854\n你採購的能源包括阿拉斯加的LNG計畫我們如果說可以透過大量的採購我們可以分享這樣的一個經濟的價值分享給我們其他的鄰國我想這個是就商業上面來講我提供我的經驗認為說我只買一定的量可能沒有談判的籌碼如果我能夠買更多的量\n\n20:36.974 --> 20:59.870\n大概可以分享給其他的國家所以你指的這部分是你想要結合哪些國家一起去處理阿拉斯加的天然氣案是這個意思嗎報告委員因為阿拉斯加的州長來亞洲訪問第一站就到我們台灣來那麼他後來也接著到其他的國家去所以我們也簽了意向書嘛對不對\n\n21:00.811 --> 21:03.352\n所以我們針對這1300公里的投資我們預計要投入多少的資金\n\n21:11.670 --> 21:32.284\n我們要投入多少資金不是根據我們想投就可以他會讓我們投多少這個美國他還要去看所以不是說我們想投就可以投多少所以我要特別提醒一下郭部長因為在2016年的時候那個是美孚他們在退出了這個計畫英國石油也退出了這個計畫\n\n21:34.025 --> 22:03.133\n康佛石油他們也推出了這個計畫那我們現在要進來接這個狀態的時候意向書簽了我知道可是我想說我們要怎麼去參與這樣的一個國際天然氣或石油的開發我覺得是很複雜的事情我理解可是我希望我們在判斷評估的時候有更多的經濟考量而不是純粹的政治考量讓台灣變成接盤俠的一個狀態可不可以承諾這個部分\n\n22:03.855 --> 22:28.373\n我們當然會考量合理的商業條件我想中油去投資它未來對於穩定的供貨來源必須有掌握住而且今日未來對LNG的需求跟過去當然是不同的所以在這個整個市場的需求上面來看我們會請經濟部請台電合理的去評估分析這種商業條件有利於我們做開發的我們當然會爭取\n\n22:30.799 --> 22:55.564\nOK謝謝院長那我在想說除了這個部分之外還有另外一個部分就是美國在工業化對台灣來說很重要的部分就是半導體產業那這部分有關於台積電去美國這件事情大家很多的討論我在這邊就特別的關心因為我希望說政府能夠把台積電到美國去投資這件事情但我知道部長一定覺得這是商業的一個行為企業的一個行為\n\n22:56.704 --> 23:21.761\n台積電對台灣來講確實不一般因為台灣對於整個高階技術製程的一個輸出也有一個規定那我希望這個部分的時候能夠讓台積電去美國能夠變成我們在跟美國談判的時候更好的一個籌碼那我在這邊就不特別講我要特別講到一個部分是有關於債券的部分債券的部分\n\n23:22.401 --> 23:34.506\n那因為在1944年的一個BrettonWoods的那個就是Bretton森林協議的時候把美元跟石油綁在一起讓美元霸權興起那1985年的時候廣場協議的時候\n\n23:39.128 --> 24:07.263\n日元大幅的一個升值造成日本失落的三十幾年然後一直到現在那今年的時候提出了一個海湖莊園協議那我不知道說就是院長有沒有特別關注這個問題我們要如何去面對這樣子可能美國丟出來的一個海湖莊園協議當中要求如果他真的要求讓現有的\n\n24:08.483 --> 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Frank法案，讓金融業一年增加500億美元的法遵成本。我這邊特別提到一個例子，從今年開始環境部有一個新的法案，針對減塑，要求所有的飯店業者不能夠用一次性的盥洗用品，院長知道這個細節嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：是的。"],["鄭委員正鈐：你知道這個細節嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：知道。"],["鄭委員正鈐：可是因為整個法規的規定不夠嚴謹，所以產生了一個狀態是，中央有一個減塑的規定，沒有問題，用「一次用旅宿用品限制使用對象及實施方式」規定了，可是各個地方政府有不同的做法。我具體講一下，比方臺北市就可以向櫃臺購買，沒有主動提供，但可以向櫃臺購買；可是新北市及臺中市，則是可以免費跟櫃臺索取；再加上臺南市，不能夠購買，也不能夠索取，所以同樣一個規定，造成企業、尤其有些連鎖飯店每個地方都有的時候，他們的法遵成本其實會受到很大的影響。現在美國也在減少行政部門的cost，我希望當我們在進行法規鬆綁的時候，也能夠同時考慮到法遵成本的問題，希望院長能夠指示相關的部會，針對整個法遵成本提出更具體的成果，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：好，請部長說明一下。"],["彭部長啓明：報告委員，因為這個是二、三年前就已經制定的規範……"],["鄭委員正鈐：是。"],["彭部長啓明：但是有些縣市自己比較積極，例如臺北市過去很積極，大概有6個縣市比較積極……"],["鄭委員正鈐：理解，所以出現的狀態還是不一樣。"],["彭部長啓明：對。"],["鄭委員正鈐：所以我要講的是，結果就造成了企業、尤其連鎖業者整個法遵成本其實是不一樣的，我只是舉這個例子。所以我希望院長能夠特別注意到整個法遵成本的問題，因為既然我們從106年開始就要求法規鬆綁，我希望對於這個部分院長也能夠多加注意，好不好？"],["彭部長啓明：報告委員，我再補充一下下，我們已經跟各縣市協調完成了，大家都統一的標準，謝謝。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，好。接下來我想問一下，賴總統在2023年特別提到三班護病比的問題，對不對？他特別提到了兩年要入法，我想請教一下院長，現在進度如何？"],["卓院長榮泰：這個是在選前、選後對於加強護理人員的充實部分做了很多的努力，所以現在我們也提出了對於達標的醫院直接給予獎勵，給予護理人員更多優惠的福利等等，我們都有一些具體的措施在裡面。"],["鄭委員正鈐：只有獎勵的措施嗎？可是當時2023年講說兩年要入法，今年就是要入法的時間，所以我比較關心這個部分。我們看到去年3月公布的三班護病比標準出來的時候，就發現從1比6到1比15都有，之前部長也特別提到醫學中心的大夜班其實很難達標，對不對？我大概都有特別注意到，可是對於整個醫護人員的工作條件跟護病比就產生了一個很具體的成果，也影響到國人醫療照顧的品質問題，所以本席非常關心賴總統當時承諾今年要讓護病比入法這件事情是不是能夠如期做到，保障全體國人有高品質的醫療照顧？"],["卓院長榮泰：請部長答復。"],["邱部長泰源：謝謝。謝謝委員的垂詢，我想三班護病比在這一年當中在12項留任護理人力的策略之下，不管是醫學中心、區域醫院及地區醫院都有長足的進步，譬如我們的醫學中心，三班都有達標的，已經達到60%，在地區醫院也大概有到六、七成……"],["鄭委員正鈐：你有提到在整體來說，大概有63%，我比較關心的是，因為只用獎勵的話，如果醫院沒有達到的時候，國人的醫護照顧品質就會降低，其實也沒有一個比較強而有力的方式達成，也因為當時提到今年三班護病比要入法，所以我們是很期待的，也希望院長能夠加快腳步，讓這件事情能夠順利，以滿足賴總統當時所提出的政見跟訴求，好不好？"],["邱部長泰源：衛福部一定會加緊腳步跟各界作溝通，以維護醫療的品質，特別是給醫護及護理人員一個適量的工作環境是非常重要的。"],["鄭委員正鈐：因為要達到這樣的一個成績，會牽涉到一些醫護及護理人員相關工作條件的問題，所以希望當三班護病比入法時，能夠同時解決，好不好？"],["邱部長泰源：報告委員，不只在三班護病比，不管是在給付方面或護理的給付，我們已經非常長足的投入很多護理獎勵或者是在給付方面的努力，我相信對於護理各方面……"],["鄭委員正鈐：謝謝部長，希望院長在這部分能夠加快速度，請邱部長儘速完成賴總統的一個主張跟訴求獎勵。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們意思是獎勵先行，能夠把現在的制度做完，以及護理人力12項策略措施執行並檢討以後，再朝下一步的步驟。"],["鄭委員正鈐：因為這是賴總統的訴求跟政見的主張，我們希望好的東西，讓它能夠真正做到，如果做不到的時候，就等於是賴總統的政見破功了嘛！我覺得這樣也不好，這對國人確實是好的事情，希望院長加快腳步去做，不要只停留在獎勵的階段，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們是先行，現在研議下一步的動作要怎麼做？包括入法的研判等等。"],["邱部長泰源：是的。"],["鄭委員正鈐：好的，接下來要特別提到有關於美國對等高關稅的問題，美國在提出對等關稅時，賴總統也提出了5大因應策略及投書到彭博社，這裡有提到幾個重點，針對這部分，我簡單做一個短短的小結，美國希望用關稅來解決貿易逆差的問題、解決再工業化的問題，另外解決美債的問題，大概就這3個，院長認不認同？"],["卓院長榮泰：大概是這個方向。"],["鄭委員正鈐：大概就是這3個方向嘛！我想針對逆差的部分，總統在投書中特別提到有幾個解決的方法，包括大眾物資的採購、天然氣的採購及軍事的採購，大概都有提到要解決貿易逆差，是這樣的情況沒有錯嘛，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：增加採購確實是一個方式，但採購的能力跟內容，也要看我們的財政能力跟國家整個發展的需要。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，因為總統有特別提到擴大軍購的部分，我想請教擴大軍購可以減少貿易逆差嗎？院長。"],["卓院長榮泰：通常沒有算在貿易逆差裡。"],["鄭委員正鈐：沒有算在貿易逆差裡面嘛，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：所以採購是要考慮到我們國家的需要。"],["鄭委員正鈐：是，軍購是沒有算在貿易逆差當中嘛！因為總統的投書內容有提到要用軍購的方式來減少貿易逆差的問題，我就在想，既然院長也知道軍購沒有算在貿易的統計數字裡，所以正常來說軍購應該是不能減少貿易逆差才對吧，是不是？院長。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們說的採購通常指的是工業產品，農工產品的這些部分……"],["鄭委員正鈐：所以軍購產品算不算在裡頭？"],["卓院長榮泰：還有能源跟能源的建置等等。"],["鄭委員正鈐：軍購算不算在裡頭？"],["卓院長榮泰：軍購有一個廣義跟比較具體的，如果是廣義的部分，我們還可以再做一些調整。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK！簡單來講，我們一般的軍購狀態，可能就不算在貿易的統計數字當中，可是商購的狀態算在這裡頭，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["鄭委員正鈐：我在想當總統提到要用軍購的方式來平衡貿易逆差的狀態，所以我是不是可以用這樣的方式推論，我們接下來軍品商購的比例會大幅的增加？"],["卓院長榮泰：這完全看我方、我國的國防能力，我們需要增加到什麼程度？先進的武器，先進的設備等等，如果我們的財政能力夠，我們也需要這些來增加我們的國防，是從這個角度來思考。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，總統提到要用軍購來平衡貿易逆差，那你剛才講軍購的範圍很大，可能包括政府對政府採購的狀態，可能也包括對於企業採購的部分，就是商購的部分，所以我在想，如果我們要平衡貿易逆差，那是不是表示我們商購的比例就會增加？這是一個很簡單的邏輯嘛！"],["顧部長立雄：跟委員報告，我想軍購的部分雖然沒有算入貿易順逆差的部分，但是從安全的角度上來看，還有在展現臺美軍事交流、合作的面向上，都是相當重要的。那軍售的部分有美國政府的保障，對我們來講，軍售還是一個相當重要的管道；至於商售的部分，大部分也是我們多元籌獲的管道之一，比如說，有一些不適宜透過軍售管道的部分，我們也會儘量以商售的管道來做。"],["鄭委員正鈐：謝謝顧部長的補充，我要特別提一下，在2017年蔡政府的時候，當時也是有臺美貿易逆差的問題，他有特別提到對軍購要來跟美國溝通減少貿易逆差的這個部分，我不知道2017年那時候溝通的成果是不是有達到我們想要的狀態？"],["顧部長立雄：您說是……"],["鄭委員正鈐：在2017年的時候因為臺美貿易逆差，所以當時蔡英文總統就有提出了一個說帖，在說帖當中說要跟美國用軍購的方式來表示我們其實並不是貿易逆差的狀態，那我不知道那一次溝通的成果如何？"],["顧部長立雄：我想後續在經貿小組跟美國談判這件事情的時候，我們可以去說明我們過去以來對美軍購的金額是多少，我想這個部分也應該可以紓解美國對我們……"],["鄭委員正鈐：在2017年蔡政府時代已經曾經有提到這個狀態，如果現在院長或部長在這邊沒辦法回答，你們回去以後再給我一個很清楚的回報。"],["卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，軍購不算入貿易的順逆差，但是我們來看，我們國家希望軍購達到GDP 3%的這個目標，所以它是在這個範疇裡面去做思考，包括我們國家的需要、跟美國的合作、跟全世界的防衛安全，那其他的採購著重在能源、著重在農產品、工業等採購。"],["鄭委員正鈐：這個沒問題，所以說我們目前是用3%當標準，就是當做一個目標值，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["鄭委員正鈐：那川普提到10%，我們要如何去因應？"],["卓院長榮泰：大概目前我們是沒有這個能力。"],["鄭委員正鈐：沒有這個能力，OK。那接下來我要講到天然氣採購的部分，之前郭部長曾經有特別提到，我們接下來要跟美國採購的天然氣從10%提高到30%，這個數字有沒有錯？"],["郭部長智輝：報告委員，我沒有說過提高到30%。"],["鄭委員正鈐：媒體有報導這樣的數字。"],["郭部長智輝：這個可能是誤傳，我從來沒有說過我們要多少，我必須要在這邊鄭重的跟委員報告，我從來不會談我們有多少比率，我想委員的資料可能有誤，我也沒有那個能力講我們要投資多少。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，我回去以後會找資料，然後我再跟您做一個細部的討論。我想請教一下，因為你有提到要增加對美國政府部門2,000億的採購，你有這樣講對不對？"],["郭部長智輝：2,000億這個數字，我是說這樣一個概略的數字，我有講過這個數字。"],["鄭委員正鈐：我記得你有提到2,000億、10年，對不對？"],["郭部長智輝：對。"],["鄭委員正鈐：那這2,000億、10年基本上都是以天然氣採購為主嗎？"],["郭部長智輝：我跟委員報告，這個採購裡面有包括能源、包括科技、包括一些我們國內需要的產品，這裡面包括很多啦！那能源的部分占多少我不知道，這是完全由談判小組他們來做一些規劃，我們只是提供一些資訊給這個談判小組，為什麼？因為對於我們國內的需求，我們是盡我們的職責把國內在這10年裡面可能有多少需求提供給談判小組。"],["鄭委員正鈐：所以2,000億是你們經濟部估出來的數字，是不是？"],["郭部長智輝：2,000億並不是我們估出來的數字，2,000億是我站在過去的經驗，認為可能這樣的數字是值得他們參考的，不是估計算下來的，而是我憑我過去的經驗，認為我們除了國內可以用的能源以外，也可以多採購這些能源，然後轉售給其他的國家。"],["鄭委員正鈐：理解，我想問採購這些能源是不是指阿拉斯加的LNG？你採購的能源包不包括阿拉斯加LNG的計畫？"],["郭部長智輝：我們如果可以透過大量採購，分享這樣的經濟價值，分享給我們其他的鄰國，就商業上面來講，我提供我的經驗，我認為只有買一定的量可能沒有談判的籌碼，如果能夠買更多的量，大概可以分享給其他的國家。"],["鄭委員正鈐：所以你指的這個部分是你想要結合哪些國家一起去處理阿拉斯加的天然氣案，是這個意思嗎？"],["郭部長智輝：報告委員，因為阿拉斯加的州長來亞洲訪問的時候第一站就是到臺灣來，他後來也接著到其他的國家去，這個代表……"],["鄭委員正鈐：所以我們有簽了意向書，對不對？"],["郭部長智輝：我們有簽了意向書。"],["鄭委員正鈐：所以針對這1,300公里的投資，我們預計要投入多少的資金？"],["郭部長智輝：我們要投入多少資金，不是根據我們想投，它就會讓我們投多少，美國還要去看……"],["鄭委員正鈐：理解。"],["郭部長智輝：所以不是我們想投就可以投多少。"],["鄭委員正鈐：所以我要特別提醒一下郭部長，因為在2016年的時候埃克森美孚就退出了這個計畫，英國石油也退出了這個計畫，康菲石油也退出了這個計畫，我們現在要進來接這個狀態的時候，我知道意向書簽了，可是我們要怎麼去參與這樣一個國際天然氣或石油的開發，是很複雜的事情，我理解，可是我希望我們在判斷評估的時候有更多的經濟考量，而不是純粹的政治考量，讓臺灣變成接盤俠，我們可不可以承諾這個部分？"],["卓院長榮泰：委員，我們當然會考量合理的商業條件，中油去投資，未來對於穩定的供貨來源必須有掌握住，而且今日、未來對LNG的需求跟過去當然是不同的，所以在整個市場的需求上面來看，我們會請經濟部、請台電合理的去評估分析各種商業條件，有利於我們做開發的，我們當然會爭取。"],["鄭委員正鈐：好，謝謝院長。除了這個部分之外，還有另外一個部分就是美國再工業化，對臺灣來說很重要的部分就是半導體產業，有關台積電去美國投資這件事情大家有很多的討論，我在這邊要特別關心，因為我希望政府能夠把台積電到美國去投資這件事情，我知道部長一直覺得這是一個商業行為、企業行為，可是因為台積電對臺灣來講確實不一般，臺灣對於整個高階技術製程的輸出也有規定，我希望台積電去美國投資能夠變成我們與美國談判時更好的籌碼，我在這邊就不特別講了。我要特別講到的是有關於債券的部分，因為1944年的布列敦森林協議把美元和石油綁在一起，讓美元霸權興起；1985年的廣場協議讓日圓大幅升值，造成日本失落的三十幾年，一直到現在；今年提出了一個海湖莊園協議，我不知道院長有沒有特別關注這個問題，我們要如何去面對美國丟出來的海湖莊園協議，如果它真的要求讓國外現有持有的美債都換成100年期無息不可轉讓債券，如果發生這樣的事情，我們要怎麼去面對，可不可以請院長這邊回答或請央行總裁？"],["楊總裁金龍：這個議題好像也談論了很久，不過背後我們必須要瞭解一件事，如果做這樣的轉換就相當於美債的倒債，如果連美債都倒債的話，這個就是非常地危險，因為美國公債的市場是各個金融商品定價的基礎，如果是這樣的話，我在上一次財委會有委員質詢這個問題，我那時候也非常大膽地說，美國恐怕會發生金融上的混亂、金融上的危機，雖然這個議題在我們國內市場談論很久，不過據我瞭解，國外其他的金融市場好像也沒有談得像臺灣這麼地熱烈。"],["鄭委員正鈐：謝謝楊總裁，因為你剛剛提到如果是這個狀態，幾乎是美國倒債的狀態，我覺得這是很重要的狀態。我想這邊請教一下院長……"],["楊總裁金龍：是，假設的前提。"],["卓院長榮泰：這是假設的前提，並不像委員說的美國會發生……"],["鄭委員正鈐：理解、理解。這還沒有發生，我們也不希望它發生，因為對我們臺灣來講，臺灣也持有非常高額的美債。我想請教一下院長，我們現在持有的美債到底有多少？占外匯存底的百分之多少？"],["楊總裁金龍：我們握有美國的債券，我們的外匯存底大概有八成以上。"],["鄭委員正鈐：八成以上是不是？"],["楊總裁金龍：是的、是的。"],["鄭委員正鈐：有到九成二嗎？"],["楊總裁金龍：沒有、沒有。"],["鄭委員正鈐：就八成左右的數字，美債大概占八成左右的數字，是不是？"],["楊總裁金龍：是、是，沒有錯。"],["鄭委員正鈐：大概是在四千三百億美元左右，所以去年……"],["楊總裁金龍：事實上我們臺灣總共握有的，這個報紙都有報導，我們是占第11位，我們是兩千九百多億。"],["鄭委員正鈐：兩千九百多億的美債？"],["楊總裁金龍：是，包括民間。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，包括民間的部分。所以你講的數字跟之前朱副總裁講的是不一樣的數字嘛？"],["楊總裁金龍：不一樣，他是看錯了。"],["鄭委員正鈐：他看錯了，是不是？"],["楊總裁金龍：是、是。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，這個看錯其實影響很大，因為我旁邊的一些金融界、企業界朋友，大家都跳腳，而且覺得臺灣怎麼會把所有的外匯全部都壓在美債上面，因為這段時間很多國家都在處理他們美國國債的問題，我們有去做相應地處理嗎？"],["楊總裁金龍：我想我們對於債券的調整，都是隨時在觀察市場的變化，隨時做調整。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK。另外，因為在烏俄戰爭當中，Starlink變得非常地重要，烏克蘭幾乎是靠著Starlink在跟國際聯絡，在去年底之前，我們政府都還覺得馬斯克他們太過於親中，所以覺得不能夠開放Starlink在臺灣落地，因為有國安的問題，可是院長，我們目前已經開放了，你知道嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們在低軌衛星，甚至更高的中軌、更高的同步衛星，我們都有嘗試做一些合作，但目前的狀況在國家安全需要底下，我們都有做一些合作。"],["鄭委員正鈐：所以之前沒有開放Starlink是因為國家安全的考量，現在又是因為國家安全的考量，所以開放，是這樣子的意思嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：不是開放，我們有尋求不同的合作。"],["鄭委員正鈐：理解。我在想因為今年2月13號數發部開放Starlink落地，跟之前考量國安的問題而沒有開放，我就不曉得當中的轉折是在什麼地方？院長在這邊可不可以做更詳細的回答？"],["卓院長榮泰：當初都有考量，包括系統本身，以及包括整個背後的因素等等，現在我們尋求更多元的合作，因為不是只有一個國家的廠商，我們可以尋求更多的合作，當國家有需要，我們就會……"],["鄭委員正鈐：理解。因為之前馬斯克曾經針對烏克蘭用Starlink的時候，表示整個烏克蘭就是靠它，如果它斷線的時候，整個烏克蘭就崩盤了。我在想我們當時對於Starlink沒有開放、有國安的考量，現在開放了之後，我們之後怎麼樣運用Starlink，我也希望院長能夠特別予以注意，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：好的。"],["鄭委員正鈐：不要到時候又變成被人掐在我們脖子上，到時候他又講說，如果到時候發生什麼事情、如果它斷訊的時候，我們臺灣就掛點，我就不想看到這樣的事情。"],["卓院長榮泰：這對我們的國家安全非常地重要，對外的聯繫的管道，我們會維護它的。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，好，那另外就是因為你剛才有特別提到880億的特別條例進度，下個禮拜會送行政院嘛！對不對？規模還不定，因為可能基於企業的要求跟整個民眾的期待，所以還不定，那我想問什麼時候可以送到立法院，院長可不可以給我們押一個時間？"],["卓院長榮泰：出行政院院會之後……"],["鄭委員正鈐：馬上就送立法院？"],["卓院長榮泰：特別條例就會送來。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK。"],["卓院長榮泰：再請大院支持。"],["鄭委員正鈐：好，這樣很快，就動作很快，因為我們也支持，而且我們認為880億搞不好還可以上修。我最後想問一下，你知道說到目前為止，我們這次總預算被凍結的案有多少案，院長知道嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：凍結案我沒有算有多少案。"],["鄭委員正鈐：凍結案總共有1,413案，你知道有多少案送進立法院嗎？到目前為止。"],["卓院長榮泰：因為有的還沒有達到它解凍的條件。"],["鄭委員正鈐：零。"],["卓院長榮泰：因為好多沒有達到它解凍的條件。"],["鄭委員正鈐：有很多案都已經達到解凍的門檻，立法院沒有要求他們什麼時候才能送，可是目前行政部門1件都沒有送進來，我希望院長特別敦促你的部屬，各部會該送解凍案的就儘速送解凍案，不要變成民眾覺得說可能是什麼政治問題的考量，要把凍結案壓到很晚很晚才去送，我覺得這都不是針對老百姓的福祉在考量，院長可不可以？"],["卓院長榮泰：好，我請各部會了解它是否已經達到解凍的條件，盤整後再跟大院來報告。"],["鄭委員正鈐：所以如果符合解凍的條件，就儘速在一個禮拜、兩個禮拜就送進立法院，有沒有辦法？"],["卓院長榮泰：我請各部會來盤整再向大院報告。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，那之後再請給本席一個完整的資料，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：好，謝謝委員。"],["鄭委員正鈐：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝鄭正鈐委員質詢，謝謝卓院長、各部會首長的備詢。","報告院會，我們上午的質詢到此為止，特別感謝王育敏委員從頭到尾都有出席我們議場，非常感謝，我們下午兩點半繼續開會，進行質詢，現在休息。","休息（12時7分）"]],"agenda":{"page_end":159,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-7","speakers":["韓國瑜","蘇清泉","范雲","涂權吉","王美惠","洪孟楷","劉建國","鄭正鈐","陳秀寳","郭昱晴","李柏毅","楊瓊瓔","葉元之"],"page_start":79,"meetingDate":["2025-04-15"],"gazette_id":"1143401","agenda_lc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