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00:02:27,535\n有的這個訊息在網路上是一直在傳送而且我先接到的部分有一大部分是從國外的朋友傳進來給我們看表示說不僅是國內看到國外也非常重視我想資通訊的安全對全世界來講都是一個重大的威脅每個國家對於自己的安全以及在\n\n7\n00:02:28,408 --> 00:02:50,571\n國家裡面這種社群平台上互相可以被來作為威脅或是利用的這種狀況都非常的謹慎所以我希望這個事情能夠儘快的調查如果有必要做一些仿製也希望相關美國的規定法律也能夠做有效的一個制止全世界都很關心那最會關心台灣的這些審查台灣這些內容的我想\n\n8\n00:02:51,292 --> 00:03:17,083\n莫過於中國啦今天總統有說台灣一天遭受到這種網路攻擊的是幾百萬次這個也是啊那所以其實面對美國關稅的時候我整理一下齁中國國民黨包含他們的總召他的要求是台積電、聯電赴美先來立法院報告民眾黨他當下的反應看到美國關稅的反應是說要霸佔白宮、罷免川普\n\n9\n00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:39,793\n中國國民黨副總統候選人趙超康他的第一個反應是說要求政府停止對美投資要爭取中國市場中國國民黨另外兩位委員分別主張對美國報復以及離島自貿條例要替中國洗產地選隊友很重要院長\n\n10\n00:03:40,902 --> 00:03:50,816\n要選對的隊友因為選不對的隊友向中國要提高這些關稅中國目前面臨到的是145%的關稅而且沒有要談\n\n11\n00:03:51,872 --> 00:04:19,113\n那很高興我們現在已經這是樂觀的好消息我們現在已經跟美國在談但是絕對必須要非常嚴謹謹慎包含院長很感謝你禮拜天就來到高雄跟我們的船產業者跟高雄的製造業大家也知道高雄過去由鋼鐵石化以及造船這三個產業延伸出來的包含扣件包含遊艇產業分別遇到的問題\n\n12\n00:04:20,467 --> 00:04:31,051\n那天也聽到高雄的知名的遊艇製造者他說美國是佔整個遊艇市場的80%目前採的關稅是很低萬一不要說32%\n\n13\n00:04:42,223 --> 00:05:07,836\n20%、10%都有可能造成台灣目前發展的很好的遊行產業它面對其他的國家的競爭會失去競爭力所以希望院長可以持續的關注除了半導體高科技產業之外對於高雄的這些傳統製造業的相關的這些關注也必須要保持當天有一件事情其實院長你跟我坐的也比較遠沒有看到\n\n14\n00:05:08,576 --> 00:05:24,951\n就高雄的這個工業理事長蔡圖進理事長他在談到夏季電費的時候我旁邊的國民黨委員居然也舉手說要支持我就拿了一個牌子我就拿了一張紙院長你看這上面上面寫台電1000億\n\n15\n00:05:26,869 --> 00:05:51,519\n國民黨馬上忘記他1月的時候刪了台政府要撥補台電1000億的經費然後在那邊高舉雙手說我也要支持我們夏季電費的討論我覺得這是非常非常健忘的事情我們還是不斷的要提醒中國國民黨曾經做了什麼事院長相關的這些對於製造業的這些具體的政策希望院長可以做相關的這些保持\n\n16\n00:05:52,239 --> 00:06:15,558\n好謝謝委員當天我們在高雄見到了鋼鐵業扣件還有智慧機械還有自行車汽機車遊艇還有石化跟塑膠整個八大產業都在現場聆聽他們對產業的衝擊也收集各種的意見在4月3號之前其實我們對各個產業也做了相當多的研判分析討論也很多的涉算\n\n17\n00:06:16,258 --> 00:06:28,017\n4月3號美國第一次發布32%的這個對等關稅之後總統一再要求行政團隊務必要穩住所以剛剛您提到的很多的意見我們並沒有道聽途說我們還是穩穩的\n\n18\n00:06:31,075 --> 00:06:54,678\n就不會失去方向當天看到的很多產業其實他們已經在東南亞有設廠所以面對他們在東南亞已經設廠東南亞接下來的談判會多少其實跟台灣這一些製造業接下來可能會面對的這些關稅都是有相關的價格有的台商還在大陸上有的到南向國家去有的他希望現在要進到美國去\n\n19\n00:06:55,058 --> 00:07:15,189\n都有各種不同的產業衝擊但是同樣的我們也希望台商能夠回到台灣來增加台灣跟留台灣在這個時候我們的水電土地人力人才都要充分的供應所以電的問題大家談到了我們對台電的補助我還是要極力的爭取謝謝院長接下來下下題就要跟你談到水電交通我先講這個\n\n20\n00:07:17,469 --> 00:07:39,919\n院長感謝你3月帶了一台華航A330來到高雄來跟你介紹一下這些恭喜這個告五人成為天團因為高雄市運主場館只要是天團才有辦法來高雄市運主場館但是包含我剛剛列的這些紅髮愛德、五月天、G.I.IDOL\n\n21\n00:07:44,468 --> 00:08:11,014\n火星人Morion5高五人CoplayBlackpink他們都是來高雄主場館他們都公認是天團但是來高雄主場館沒有直飛的飛機沒有歐美直飛的飛機我們只有小型飛機所以感謝在我上一次跟院長提出這個質詢之後很快的在華航半年內已經調度A330原本就有飛高雄的飛機謝謝陳部長以及華航\n\n22\n00:08:14,235 --> 00:08:40,413\nA330就在3月30號那天飛抵高雄還有來下一頁其實對美國大家知道美國波音波音公司那華航目前也在做一些採購那包含國內其他航空公司包含長榮、新宇那對歐洲的這個A350也都在做新的採購院長我要的是新飛機可不可以調一台新的飛機來\n\n23\n00:08:41,454 --> 00:09:08,019\n不管是華航或者是如果其他長榮或新宇航空他們願意飛小港機場用這個廣體客機用A350或用B787飛機來飛高雄我覺得我們交通部可以研擬一些對他們的一些優惠措施包含他們停機費用包含他們這些航空櫃台的這些收費或者是他們可以優先使用這些櫃台這個部長你可不可以做這一方面的安排\n\n24\n00:09:08,399 --> 00:09:31,786\n部長再怎麼努力好報告委員這個部分我們會繼續努力就是說針對這個飛機的這個費用停到機場的費用這個解免我們來跟民航局討論那另外針對包機的部分我們也請觀光署一起來努力我們的目標是定期航班爭取更多的這個飛機跟大的飛機大型飛機能夠降到高雄的小港機場是我們一直在推的政策目標飛機是這樣齁\n\n25\n00:09:33,507 --> 00:10:01,782\n他在A330他停在高雄那他目前的安排是人穿早上飛人穿下午飛大阪其實還有晚上可以飛啊來幫我回到上一夜飛機的起降時間高雄已經接下來已經是南部的這個矽谷重鎮那阿姆斯特丹、愛斯摩爾在那裡然後慕尼黑有這個Infrared他是德國的車用晶片\n\n26\n00:10:02,557 --> 00:10:23,385\n那矽谷大家就舊金山大家知道矽谷洛杉磯大家知道那也有非常多的這些台灣人他是居住在澳洲布里斯本這些晚上都可以飛的而且其實調整一下他的起飛時間他其實可以不用受到宵禁的影響是不是部長可以做這一方面的研議\n\n27\n00:10:24,373 --> 00:10:44,018\n這個部分我們來研議另外就是說針對要飛長線航空我們需要更多的轉機客所以目前我們先把小港機場作為區域一個很重要的一個航空站讓各國的東南亞也好東北亞也好的旅客可以飛來這裡未來轉機往長遠的方向下去飛例如說聯合航空在7月\n\n28\n00:10:44,659 --> 00:10:54,079\n飛往舊金山我們就會從高雄來出發那這個部分我們繼續來爭取跟民航的這個航空公司大家一起來配合那民航局也會來協助\n\n29\n00:10:55,109 --> 00:11:19,362\n對它其實不只高雄它是對整個南部旅客都有很重要的影響是院長也都指示說南北雙空港對跟委員報告高雄小港跟桃園機場是我們未來的南北雙空港稱為帶動地方交通建設尤其是小港機場它一定未來是大南方新矽谷的重要基地而且是我們南向的一個新的門戶大的門戶所以它\n\n30\n00:11:20,582 --> 00:11:47,230\n這個在擴建擴建他的航向未來還有第一期第二期完成之後他一定是一個比現在功能更強更大更有發展性的機場謝謝飛機先來接下來我要講從我去年來到立法院以後其實我就在追中油企業總部大樓那去年二月的第一次的時政報告質詢中油給我的回覆是居然是給我一個七成的研發大樓\n\n31\n00:11:48,621 --> 00:12:13,499\n那追到今年的3月中油總算恢復了接下來將花一年半的時間預計在20原本是32年那現在院長已經催促他們在2030年希望中油企業總部大樓可以落成除了企業總部大樓落成之外我還要跟院長爭取一樣其實中油是不是應該要現在就開始評估實質難簽\n\n32\n00:12:20,506 --> 00:12:38,182\n我們希望透過中油實質南遷那這個企業總部大樓它其實就座落在TSMC高雄廠區的隔壁那接下來TSMC其實它來到高雄的這一段時間其實我們也包括我們也協調台電做了這個專用的高壓電\n\n33\n00:12:39,123 --> 00:13:02,717\n那也幫男子產業園區拉了一條專用的高壓電過去維持這些電力的穩定的使用那我們希望其實中油陳其邁市長那天講了一句話他說中油如果眼光好的話現在其實就要開始評估來高雄院長還是部長要回應2016年中油的營業所在地就已經是在高雄\n\n34\n00:13:04,554 --> 00:13:19,843\n這公司登記在高雄他現在要增加一個高雄南部的企業大樓不要只蓋一棟大樓希望他真的前來高雄這個請部長再看看是報告委員我們現在準備興建這個中油南部企業大樓\n\n35\n00:13:20,623 --> 00:13:49,662\n大概119年我們希望不是只有大樓我們希望中油公司遷來不是只有公司註冊遷來是把整個公司移來高雄上班因為中油主要的產力是在高雄就是說以高雄這個南遷以後的優劣點現在都已經進入到最後討論的這個階段謝謝部長接下來因為面對財化法那高雄有幾個建設是我不斷的在爭取的包含新台石期限包含捷運子線\n\n36\n00:13:50,645 --> 00:13:51,133\n包含台鐵立體化\n\n37\n00:13:52,281 --> 00:14:19,284\n包含高鐵的月台直通高雄捷運的這個地下道還有教育部的研究園區就是國家重點領域校際研究園區就是清華大學以及陽明交大即將來高雄設校這幾個當然過去行政院已經核定的計畫行政院可以繼續的來支應\n\n38\n00:14:20,805 --> 00:14:48,635\n但是我講新台17線在這邊先感謝院長新台17線在去年9月軍方國防部突然提出要新設戰備跑道以及山洞待拆待建我經過4到5個月不斷的跟行政院協調感謝院長在這邊核定新台17線最難最困難的一段也就是在軍區裡面這一段感謝院長核定\n\n39\n00:14:49,448 --> 00:15:08,607\n他現在會分成兩部分來處理一個是這個德明路到中海路中海路到碧聖路就是最難做的就是中海路到碧聖路這一段會在115年跟116年分別把這兩個路段完成也謝謝委員長年為地方的爭取但是有一個還沒核定的也就是再往南有一個變成新的計畫\n\n40\n00:15:09,768 --> 00:15:32,837\n當然新的計畫我也會跟高雄市政府來協調面對這個裁劃法如果我們的憲法就計未成往南的這個可能要兩億的經費的這個計畫可能會有一點影響所以在這邊先感應一點拜託我真的希望維持中央政府財政的能力我們才能夠把這些地方建設繼續下去一起地方跟中央充分的合作謝謝院長謝謝部長謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n229\t16042\t有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n27369\t54097\t李委員好院長前天剛見面今天很榮幸我們在這邊可以來對高雄的建設做一些進度的請教但是在進度請教之前我想現在全台灣國人最關心的也就是美國關稅的問題其實我今天有看到一則更令我震驚以及關心的新聞院長你有看過這一本知道這一本書嗎Careless People\n55967\t83462\t他是一個FB的前總監他在2011到2017年這個作者Williams他的書的內容裡面寫到然後所以這本書目前是正被臉書的公司他們用這個仲裁的方式要求他停售但是他在Amazon上面還是找得到這本書裡面主要指控\n85251\t100088\t臉書配合中共開發工具審查台港高流量的帖文簡單說在台灣香港超過一萬個站以上的這些帖文你要看到的話其實是經過中國審查\n105396\t124461\t所以他的這些指控我希望院長這邊以及我們整個國安團隊可能都必須要非常注意他現在包含他現在的進度是正在美國參議院做相關的這些聽證會針對這個院長你有沒有什麼想法\n125472\t147535\t有的這個訊息在網路上是一直在傳送而且我先接到的部分有一大部分是從國外的朋友傳進來給我們看表示說不僅是國內看到國外也非常重視我想資通訊的安全對全世界來講都是一個重大的威脅每個國家對於自己的安全以及在\n148408\t170571\t國家裡面這種社群平台上互相可以被來作為威脅或是利用的這種狀況都非常的謹慎所以我希望這個事情能夠儘快的調查如果有必要做一些仿製也希望相關美國的規定法律也能夠做有效的一個制止全世界都很關心那最會關心台灣的這些審查台灣這些內容的我想\n171292\t197083\t莫過於中國啦今天總統有說台灣一天遭受到這種網路攻擊的是幾百萬次這個也是啊那所以其實面對美國關稅的時候我整理一下齁中國國民黨包含他們的總召他的要求是台積電、聯電赴美先來立法院報告民眾黨他當下的反應看到美國關稅的反應是說要霸佔白宮、罷免川普\n198240\t219793\t中國國民黨副總統候選人趙超康他的第一個反應是說要求政府停止對美投資要爭取中國市場中國國民黨另外兩位委員分別主張對美國報復以及離島自貿條例要替中國洗產地選隊友很重要院長\n220902\t230816\t要選對的隊友因為選不對的隊友向中國要提高這些關稅中國目前面臨到的是145%的關稅而且沒有要談\n231872\t259113\t那很高興我們現在已經這是樂觀的好消息我們現在已經跟美國在談但是絕對必須要非常嚴謹謹慎包含院長很感謝你禮拜天就來到高雄跟我們的船產業者跟高雄的製造業大家也知道高雄過去由鋼鐵石化以及造船這三個產業延伸出來的包含扣件包含遊艇產業分別遇到的問題\n260467\t271051\t那天也聽到高雄的知名的遊艇製造者他說美國是佔整個遊艇市場的80%目前採的關稅是很低萬一不要說32%\n282223\t307836\t20%、10%都有可能造成台灣目前發展的很好的遊行產業它面對其他的國家的競爭會失去競爭力所以希望院長可以持續的關注除了半導體高科技產業之外對於高雄的這些傳統製造業的相關的這些關注也必須要保持當天有一件事情其實院長你跟我坐的也比較遠沒有看到\n308576\t324951\t就高雄的這個工業理事長蔡圖進理事長他在談到夏季電費的時候我旁邊的國民黨委員居然也舉手說要支持我就拿了一個牌子我就拿了一張紙院長你看這上面上面寫台電1000億\n326869\t351519\t國民黨馬上忘記他1月的時候刪了台政府要撥補台電1000億的經費然後在那邊高舉雙手說我也要支持我們夏季電費的討論我覺得這是非常非常健忘的事情我們還是不斷的要提醒中國國民黨曾經做了什麼事院長 相關的這些對於製造業的這些具體的政策希望院長可以做相關的這些保持\n352239\t375558\t好 謝謝委員 當天我們在高雄見到了鋼鐵業 扣件還有智慧機械 還有自行車 汽機車 遊艇還有石化跟塑膠 整個八大產業都在現場聆聽他們對產業的衝擊 也收集各種的意見在4月3號之前 其實我們對各個產業也做了相當多的研判 分析 討論 也很多的涉算\n376258\t388017\t4月3號美國第一次發布32%的這個對等關稅之後總統一再要求行政團隊務必要穩住所以剛剛您提到的很多的意見我們並沒有道聽途說我們還是穩穩的\n391075\t414678\t就不會失去方向當天看到的很多產業其實他們已經在東南亞有設廠所以面對他們在東南亞已經設廠東南亞接下來的談判會多少其實跟台灣這一些製造業接下來可能會面對的這些關稅都是有相關的價格有的台商還在大陸上有的到南向國家去有的他希望現在要進到美國去\n415058\t435189\t都有各種不同的產業衝擊但是同樣的我們也希望台商能夠回到台灣來增加台灣跟留台灣在這個時候我們的水電土地人力人才都要充分的供應所以電的問題大家談到了我們對台電的補助我還是要極力的爭取謝謝院長接下來下下題就要跟你談到水電交通我先講這個\n437469\t459919\t院長感謝你3月帶了一台華航A330來到高雄來跟你介紹一下這些恭喜這個告五人成為天團因為高雄市運主場館只要是天團才有辦法來高雄市運主場館但是包含我剛剛列的這些紅髮愛德、五月天、G.I.IDOL\n464468\t491014\t火星人Morion 5 高五人Coplay Blackpink他們都是來高雄主場館他們都公認是天團但是來高雄主場館沒有直飛的飛機沒有歐美直飛的飛機我們只有小型飛機所以感謝在我上一次跟院長提出這個質詢之後很快的在華航半年內已經調度A330原本就有飛高雄的飛機謝謝陳部長以及華航\n494235\t520413\tA330就在3月30號那天飛抵高雄還有來下一頁其實對美國大家知道美國波音波音公司那華航目前也在做一些採購那包含國內其他航空公司包含長榮、新宇那對歐洲的這個A350也都在做新的採購院長我要的是新飛機可不可以調一台新的飛機來\n521454\t548019\t不管是華航或者是如果其他長榮或新宇航空他們願意飛小港機場用這個廣體客機用A350或用B787飛機來飛高雄我覺得我們交通部可以研擬一些對他們的一些優惠措施包含他們停機費用包含他們這些航空櫃台的這些收費或者是他們可以優先使用這些櫃台這個部長你可不可以做這一方面的安排\n548399\t571786\t部長再怎麼努力好 報告委員這個部分我們會繼續努力就是說針對這個飛機的這個費用停到機場的費用這個解免我們來跟民航局討論那另外針對包機的部分我們也請觀光署一起來努力我們的目標是定期航班爭取更多的這個飛機跟大的飛機大型飛機能夠降到高雄的小港機場是我們一直在推的政策目標飛機是這樣齁\n573507\t601782\t他在A330他停在高雄那他目前的安排是人穿早上飛人穿下午飛大阪其實還有晚上可以飛啊來幫我回到上一夜飛機的起降時間高雄已經接下來已經是南部的這個矽谷重鎮那阿姆斯特丹、愛斯摩爾在那裡然後慕尼黑有這個Infrared他是德國的車用晶片\n602557\t623385\t那矽谷大家就舊金山大家知道矽谷洛杉磯大家知道那也有非常多的這些台灣人他是居住在澳洲布里斯本這些晚上都可以飛的而且其實調整一下他的起飛時間他其實可以不用受到宵禁的影響是不是部長可以做這一方面的研議\n624373\t644018\t這個部分我們來研議另外就是說針對要飛長線航空我們需要更多的轉機客所以目前我們先把小港機場作為區域一個很重要的一個航空站讓各國的東南亞也好東北亞也好的旅客可以飛來這裡未來轉機往長遠的方向下去飛例如說聯合航空在7月\n644659\t654079\t飛往舊金山我們就會從高雄來出發那這個部分我們繼續來爭取跟民航的這個航空公司大家一起來配合那民航局也會來協助\n655109\t679362\t對 它其實不只高雄它是對整個南部旅客都有很重要的影響是 院長也都指示說南北雙空港對 跟委員報告高雄小港跟桃園機場是我們未來的南北雙空港稱為帶動地方交通建設尤其是小港機場它一定未來是大南方新矽谷的重要基地而且是我們南向的一個新的門戶大的門戶所以它\n680582\t707230\t這個在擴建擴建他的航向未來還有第一期第二期完成之後他一定是一個比現在功能更強更大更有發展性的機場謝謝飛機先來接下來我要講從我去年來到立法院以後其實我就在追中油企業總部大樓那去年二月的第一次的時政報告質詢中油給我的回覆是居然是給我一個七成的研發大樓\n708621\t733499\t那追到今年的3月 中油總算恢復了接下來將花一年半的時間預計在20 原本是32年那現在院長已經催促他們在2030年希望中油企業總部大樓可以落成除了企業總部大樓落成之外我還要跟院長爭取一樣其實中油是不是應該要現在就開始評估實質難簽\n740506\t758182\t我們希望透過中油實質南遷那這個企業總部大樓它其實就座落在TSMC高雄廠區的隔壁那接下來TSMC其實它來到高雄的這一段時間其實我們也包括我們也協調台電做了這個專用的高壓電\n759123\t782717\t那也幫男子產業園區拉了一條專用的高壓電過去維持這些電力的穩定的使用那我們希望其實中油陳其邁市長那天講了一句話他說中油如果眼光好的話現在其實就要開始評估來高雄院長還是部長要回應2016年中油的營業所在地就已經是在高雄\n784554\t799843\t這公司登記在高雄他現在要增加一個高雄南部的企業大樓不要只蓋一棟大樓希望他真的前來高雄這個請部長再看看是 報告委員我們現在準備興建這個中油南部企業大樓\n800623\t829662\t大概119年我們希望不是只有大樓我們希望中油公司遷來不是只有公司註冊遷來是把整個公司移來高雄上班因為中油主要的產力是在高雄就是說以高雄這個南遷以後的優劣點現在都已經進入到最後討論的這個階段謝謝部長接下來因為面對財化法那高雄有幾個建設是我不斷的在爭取的包含新台石期限包含捷運子線\n830645\t831133\t包含台鐵立體化\n832281\t859284\t包含高鐵的月台直通高雄捷運的這個地下道還有教育部的研究園區就是國家重點領域校際研究園區就是清華大學以及陽明交大即將來高雄設校這幾個當然過去行政院已經核定的計畫行政院可以繼續的來支應\n860805\t888635\t但是我講新台17線在這邊先感謝院長新台17線在去年9月軍方國防部突然提出要新設戰備跑道以及山洞待拆待建我經過4到5個月不斷的跟行政院協調感謝院長在這邊核定新台17線最難最困難的一段也就是在軍區裡面這一段感謝院長核定\n889448\t908607\t他現在會分成兩部分來處理一個是這個德明路到中海路 中海路到碧聖路就是最難做的就是中海路到碧聖路這一段會在115年跟116年分別把這兩個路段完成也謝謝委員長年為地方的爭取但是有一個還沒核定的也就是再往南有一個變成新的計畫\n909768\t932837\t當然新的計畫我也會跟高雄市政府來協調面對這個裁劃法如果我們的憲法就計未成往南的這個可能要兩億的經費的這個計畫可能會有一點影響所以在這邊先感應一點拜託我真的希望維持中央政府財政的能力我們才能夠把這些地方建設繼續下去一起地方跟中央充分的合作謝謝院長 謝謝部長 謝謝委員\n","txt":"有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n李委員好院長前天剛見面今天很榮幸我們在這邊可以來對高雄的建設做一些進度的請教但是在進度請教之前我想現在全台灣國人最關心的也就是美國關稅的問題其實我今天有看到一則更令我震驚以及關心的新聞院長你有看過這一本知道這一本書嗎Careless People\n他是一個FB的前總監他在2011到2017年這個作者Williams他的書的內容裡面寫到然後所以這本書目前是正被臉書的公司他們用這個仲裁的方式要求他停售但是他在Amazon上面還是找得到這本書裡面主要指控\n臉書配合中共開發工具審查台港高流量的帖文簡單說在台灣香港超過一萬個站以上的這些帖文你要看到的話其實是經過中國審查\n所以他的這些指控我希望院長這邊以及我們整個國安團隊可能都必須要非常注意他現在包含他現在的進度是正在美國參議院做相關的這些聽證會針對這個院長你有沒有什麼想法\n有的這個訊息在網路上是一直在傳送而且我先接到的部分有一大部分是從國外的朋友傳進來給我們看表示說不僅是國內看到國外也非常重視我想資通訊的安全對全世界來講都是一個重大的威脅每個國家對於自己的安全以及在\n國家裡面這種社群平台上互相可以被來作為威脅或是利用的這種狀況都非常的謹慎所以我希望這個事情能夠儘快的調查如果有必要做一些仿製也希望相關美國的規定法律也能夠做有效的一個制止全世界都很關心那最會關心台灣的這些審查台灣這些內容的我想\n莫過於中國啦今天總統有說台灣一天遭受到這種網路攻擊的是幾百萬次這個也是啊那所以其實面對美國關稅的時候我整理一下齁中國國民黨包含他們的總召他的要求是台積電、聯電赴美先來立法院報告民眾黨他當下的反應看到美國關稅的反應是說要霸佔白宮、罷免川普\n中國國民黨副總統候選人趙超康他的第一個反應是說要求政府停止對美投資要爭取中國市場中國國民黨另外兩位委員分別主張對美國報復以及離島自貿條例要替中國洗產地選隊友很重要院長\n要選對的隊友因為選不對的隊友向中國要提高這些關稅中國目前面臨到的是145%的關稅而且沒有要談\n那很高興我們現在已經這是樂觀的好消息我們現在已經跟美國在談但是絕對必須要非常嚴謹謹慎包含院長很感謝你禮拜天就來到高雄跟我們的船產業者跟高雄的製造業大家也知道高雄過去由鋼鐵石化以及造船這三個產業延伸出來的包含扣件包含遊艇產業分別遇到的問題\n那天也聽到高雄的知名的遊艇製造者他說美國是佔整個遊艇市場的80%目前採的關稅是很低萬一不要說32%\n20%、10%都有可能造成台灣目前發展的很好的遊行產業它面對其他的國家的競爭會失去競爭力所以希望院長可以持續的關注除了半導體高科技產業之外對於高雄的這些傳統製造業的相關的這些關注也必須要保持當天有一件事情其實院長你跟我坐的也比較遠沒有看到\n就高雄的這個工業理事長蔡圖進理事長他在談到夏季電費的時候我旁邊的國民黨委員居然也舉手說要支持我就拿了一個牌子我就拿了一張紙院長你看這上面上面寫台電1000億\n國民黨馬上忘記他1月的時候刪了台政府要撥補台電1000億的經費然後在那邊高舉雙手說我也要支持我們夏季電費的討論我覺得這是非常非常健忘的事情我們還是不斷的要提醒中國國民黨曾經做了什麼事院長 相關的這些對於製造業的這些具體的政策希望院長可以做相關的這些保持\n好 謝謝委員 當天我們在高雄見到了鋼鐵業 扣件還有智慧機械 還有自行車 汽機車 遊艇還有石化跟塑膠 整個八大產業都在現場聆聽他們對產業的衝擊 也收集各種的意見在4月3號之前 其實我們對各個產業也做了相當多的研判 分析 討論 也很多的涉算\n4月3號美國第一次發布32%的這個對等關稅之後總統一再要求行政團隊務必要穩住所以剛剛您提到的很多的意見我們並沒有道聽途說我們還是穩穩的\n就不會失去方向當天看到的很多產業其實他們已經在東南亞有設廠所以面對他們在東南亞已經設廠東南亞接下來的談判會多少其實跟台灣這一些製造業接下來可能會面對的這些關稅都是有相關的價格有的台商還在大陸上有的到南向國家去有的他希望現在要進到美國去\n都有各種不同的產業衝擊但是同樣的我們也希望台商能夠回到台灣來增加台灣跟留台灣在這個時候我們的水電土地人力人才都要充分的供應所以電的問題大家談到了我們對台電的補助我還是要極力的爭取謝謝院長接下來下下題就要跟你談到水電交通我先講這個\n院長感謝你3月帶了一台華航A330來到高雄來跟你介紹一下這些恭喜這個告五人成為天團因為高雄市運主場館只要是天團才有辦法來高雄市運主場館但是包含我剛剛列的這些紅髮愛德、五月天、G.I.IDOL\n火星人Morion 5 高五人Coplay Blackpink他們都是來高雄主場館他們都公認是天團但是來高雄主場館沒有直飛的飛機沒有歐美直飛的飛機我們只有小型飛機所以感謝在我上一次跟院長提出這個質詢之後很快的在華航半年內已經調度A330原本就有飛高雄的飛機謝謝陳部長以及華航\nA330就在3月30號那天飛抵高雄還有來下一頁其實對美國大家知道美國波音波音公司那華航目前也在做一些採購那包含國內其他航空公司包含長榮、新宇那對歐洲的這個A350也都在做新的採購院長我要的是新飛機可不可以調一台新的飛機來\n不管是華航或者是如果其他長榮或新宇航空他們願意飛小港機場用這個廣體客機用A350或用B787飛機來飛高雄我覺得我們交通部可以研擬一些對他們的一些優惠措施包含他們停機費用包含他們這些航空櫃台的這些收費或者是他們可以優先使用這些櫃台這個部長你可不可以做這一方面的安排\n部長再怎麼努力好 報告委員這個部分我們會繼續努力就是說針對這個飛機的這個費用停到機場的費用這個解免我們來跟民航局討論那另外針對包機的部分我們也請觀光署一起來努力我們的目標是定期航班爭取更多的這個飛機跟大的飛機大型飛機能夠降到高雄的小港機場是我們一直在推的政策目標飛機是這樣齁\n他在A330他停在高雄那他目前的安排是人穿早上飛人穿下午飛大阪其實還有晚上可以飛啊來幫我回到上一夜飛機的起降時間高雄已經接下來已經是南部的這個矽谷重鎮那阿姆斯特丹、愛斯摩爾在那裡然後慕尼黑有這個Infrared他是德國的車用晶片\n那矽谷大家就舊金山大家知道矽谷洛杉磯大家知道那也有非常多的這些台灣人他是居住在澳洲布里斯本這些晚上都可以飛的而且其實調整一下他的起飛時間他其實可以不用受到宵禁的影響是不是部長可以做這一方面的研議\n這個部分我們來研議另外就是說針對要飛長線航空我們需要更多的轉機客所以目前我們先把小港機場作為區域一個很重要的一個航空站讓各國的東南亞也好東北亞也好的旅客可以飛來這裡未來轉機往長遠的方向下去飛例如說聯合航空在7月\n飛往舊金山我們就會從高雄來出發那這個部分我們繼續來爭取跟民航的這個航空公司大家一起來配合那民航局也會來協助\n對 它其實不只高雄它是對整個南部旅客都有很重要的影響是 院長也都指示說南北雙空港對 跟委員報告高雄小港跟桃園機場是我們未來的南北雙空港稱為帶動地方交通建設尤其是小港機場它一定未來是大南方新矽谷的重要基地而且是我們南向的一個新的門戶大的門戶所以它\n這個在擴建擴建他的航向未來還有第一期第二期完成之後他一定是一個比現在功能更強更大更有發展性的機場謝謝飛機先來接下來我要講從我去年來到立法院以後其實我就在追中油企業總部大樓那去年二月的第一次的時政報告質詢中油給我的回覆是居然是給我一個七成的研發大樓\n那追到今年的3月 中油總算恢復了接下來將花一年半的時間預計在20 原本是32年那現在院長已經催促他們在2030年希望中油企業總部大樓可以落成除了企業總部大樓落成之外我還要跟院長爭取一樣其實中油是不是應該要現在就開始評估實質難簽\n我們希望透過中油實質南遷那這個企業總部大樓它其實就座落在TSMC高雄廠區的隔壁那接下來TSMC其實它來到高雄的這一段時間其實我們也包括我們也協調台電做了這個專用的高壓電\n那也幫男子產業園區拉了一條專用的高壓電過去維持這些電力的穩定的使用那我們希望其實中油陳其邁市長那天講了一句話他說中油如果眼光好的話現在其實就要開始評估來高雄院長還是部長要回應2016年中油的營業所在地就已經是在高雄\n這公司登記在高雄他現在要增加一個高雄南部的企業大樓不要只蓋一棟大樓希望他真的前來高雄這個請部長再看看是 報告委員我們現在準備興建這個中油南部企業大樓\n大概119年我們希望不是只有大樓我們希望中油公司遷來不是只有公司註冊遷來是把整個公司移來高雄上班因為中油主要的產力是在高雄就是說以高雄這個南遷以後的優劣點現在都已經進入到最後討論的這個階段謝謝部長接下來因為面對財化法那高雄有幾個建設是我不斷的在爭取的包含新台石期限包含捷運子線\n包含台鐵立體化\n包含高鐵的月台直通高雄捷運的這個地下道還有教育部的研究園區就是國家重點領域校際研究園區就是清華大學以及陽明交大即將來高雄設校這幾個當然過去行政院已經核定的計畫行政院可以繼續的來支應\n但是我講新台17線在這邊先感謝院長新台17線在去年9月軍方國防部突然提出要新設戰備跑道以及山洞待拆待建我經過4到5個月不斷的跟行政院協調感謝院長在這邊核定新台17線最難最困難的一段也就是在軍區裡面這一段感謝院長核定\n他現在會分成兩部分來處理一個是這個德明路到中海路 中海路到碧聖路就是最難做的就是中海路到碧聖路這一段會在115年跟116年分別把這兩個路段完成也謝謝委員長年為地方的爭取但是有一個還沒核定的也就是再往南有一個變成新的計畫\n當然新的計畫我也會跟高雄市政府來協調面對這個裁劃法如果我們的憲法就計未成往南的這個可能要兩億的經費的這個計畫可能會有一點影響所以在這邊先感應一點拜託我真的希望維持中央政府財政的能力我們才能夠把這些地方建設繼續下去一起地方跟中央充分的合作謝謝院長 謝謝部長 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.229 --> 00:16.042\n有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n\n00:27.369 --> 00:54.097\n李委員好院長前天剛見面今天很榮幸我們在這邊可以來對高雄的建設做一些進度的請教但是在進度請教之前我想現在全台灣國人最關心的也就是美國關稅的問題其實我今天有看到一則更令我震驚以及關心的新聞院長你有看過這一本知道這一本書嗎CarelessPeople\n\n00:55.967 --> 01:23.462\n他是一個FB的前總監他在2011到2017年這個作者Williams他的書的內容裡面寫到然後所以這本書目前是正被臉書的公司他們用這個仲裁的方式要求他停售但是他在Amazon上面還是找得到這本書裡面主要指控\n\n01:25.251 --> 01:40.088\n臉書配合中共開發工具審查台港高流量的帖文簡單說在台灣香港超過一萬個站以上的這些帖文你要看到的話其實是經過中國審查\n\n01:45.396 --> 02:04.461\n所以他的這些指控我希望院長這邊以及我們整個國安團隊可能都必須要非常注意他現在包含他現在的進度是正在美國參議院做相關的這些聽證會針對這個院長你有沒有什麼想法\n\n02:05.472 --> 02:27.535\n有的這個訊息在網路上是一直在傳送而且我先接到的部分有一大部分是從國外的朋友傳進來給我們看表示說不僅是國內看到國外也非常重視我想資通訊的安全對全世界來講都是一個重大的威脅每個國家對於自己的安全以及在\n\n02:28.408 --> 02:50.571\n國家裡面這種社群平台上互相可以被來作為威脅或是利用的這種狀況都非常的謹慎所以我希望這個事情能夠儘快的調查如果有必要做一些仿製也希望相關美國的規定法律也能夠做有效的一個制止全世界都很關心那最會關心台灣的這些審查台灣這些內容的我想\n\n02:51.292 --> 03:17.083\n莫過於中國啦今天總統有說台灣一天遭受到這種網路攻擊的是幾百萬次這個也是啊那所以其實面對美國關稅的時候我整理一下齁中國國民黨包含他們的總召他的要求是台積電、聯電赴美先來立法院報告民眾黨他當下的反應看到美國關稅的反應是說要霸佔白宮、罷免川普\n\n03:18.240 --> 03:39.793\n中國國民黨副總統候選人趙超康他的第一個反應是說要求政府停止對美投資要爭取中國市場中國國民黨另外兩位委員分別主張對美國報復以及離島自貿條例要替中國洗產地選隊友很重要院長\n\n03:40.902 --> 03:50.816\n要選對的隊友因為選不對的隊友向中國要提高這些關稅中國目前面臨到的是145%的關稅而且沒有要談\n\n03:51.872 --> 04:19.113\n那很高興我們現在已經這是樂觀的好消息我們現在已經跟美國在談但是絕對必須要非常嚴謹謹慎包含院長很感謝你禮拜天就來到高雄跟我們的船產業者跟高雄的製造業大家也知道高雄過去由鋼鐵石化以及造船這三個產業延伸出來的包含扣件包含遊艇產業分別遇到的問題\n\n04:20.467 --> 04:31.051\n那天也聽到高雄的知名的遊艇製造者他說美國是佔整個遊艇市場的80%目前採的關稅是很低萬一不要說32%\n\n04:42.223 --> 05:07.836\n20%、10%都有可能造成台灣目前發展的很好的遊行產業它面對其他的國家的競爭會失去競爭力所以希望院長可以持續的關注除了半導體高科技產業之外對於高雄的這些傳統製造業的相關的這些關注也必須要保持當天有一件事情其實院長你跟我坐的也比較遠沒有看到\n\n05:08.576 --> 05:24.951\n就高雄的這個工業理事長蔡圖進理事長他在談到夏季電費的時候我旁邊的國民黨委員居然也舉手說要支持我就拿了一個牌子我就拿了一張紙院長你看這上面上面寫台電1000億\n\n05:26.869 --> 05:51.519\n國民黨馬上忘記他1月的時候刪了台政府要撥補台電1000億的經費然後在那邊高舉雙手說我也要支持我們夏季電費的討論我覺得這是非常非常健忘的事情我們還是不斷的要提醒中國國民黨曾經做了什麼事院長相關的這些對於製造業的這些具體的政策希望院長可以做相關的這些保持\n\n05:52.239 --> 06:15.558\n好謝謝委員當天我們在高雄見到了鋼鐵業扣件還有智慧機械還有自行車汽機車遊艇還有石化跟塑膠整個八大產業都在現場聆聽他們對產業的衝擊也收集各種的意見在4月3號之前其實我們對各個產業也做了相當多的研判分析討論也很多的涉算\n\n06:16.258 --> 06:28.017\n4月3號美國第一次發布32%的這個對等關稅之後總統一再要求行政團隊務必要穩住所以剛剛您提到的很多的意見我們並沒有道聽途說我們還是穩穩的\n\n06:31.075 --> 06:54.678\n就不會失去方向當天看到的很多產業其實他們已經在東南亞有設廠所以面對他們在東南亞已經設廠東南亞接下來的談判會多少其實跟台灣這一些製造業接下來可能會面對的這些關稅都是有相關的價格有的台商還在大陸上有的到南向國家去有的他希望現在要進到美國去\n\n06:55.058 --> 07:15.189\n都有各種不同的產業衝擊但是同樣的我們也希望台商能夠回到台灣來增加台灣跟留台灣在這個時候我們的水電土地人力人才都要充分的供應所以電的問題大家談到了我們對台電的補助我還是要極力的爭取謝謝院長接下來下下題就要跟你談到水電交通我先講這個\n\n07:17.469 --> 07:39.919\n院長感謝你3月帶了一台華航A330來到高雄來跟你介紹一下這些恭喜這個告五人成為天團因為高雄市運主場館只要是天團才有辦法來高雄市運主場館但是包含我剛剛列的這些紅髮愛德、五月天、G.I.IDOL\n\n07:44.468 --> 08:11.014\n火星人Morion5高五人CoplayBlackpink他們都是來高雄主場館他們都公認是天團但是來高雄主場館沒有直飛的飛機沒有歐美直飛的飛機我們只有小型飛機所以感謝在我上一次跟院長提出這個質詢之後很快的在華航半年內已經調度A330原本就有飛高雄的飛機謝謝陳部長以及華航\n\n08:14.235 --> 08:40.413\nA330就在3月30號那天飛抵高雄還有來下一頁其實對美國大家知道美國波音波音公司那華航目前也在做一些採購那包含國內其他航空公司包含長榮、新宇那對歐洲的這個A350也都在做新的採購院長我要的是新飛機可不可以調一台新的飛機來\n\n08:41.454 --> 09:08.019\n不管是華航或者是如果其他長榮或新宇航空他們願意飛小港機場用這個廣體客機用A350或用B787飛機來飛高雄我覺得我們交通部可以研擬一些對他們的一些優惠措施包含他們停機費用包含他們這些航空櫃台的這些收費或者是他們可以優先使用這些櫃台這個部長你可不可以做這一方面的安排\n\n09:08.399 --> 09:31.786\n部長再怎麼努力好報告委員這個部分我們會繼續努力就是說針對這個飛機的這個費用停到機場的費用這個解免我們來跟民航局討論那另外針對包機的部分我們也請觀光署一起來努力我們的目標是定期航班爭取更多的這個飛機跟大的飛機大型飛機能夠降到高雄的小港機場是我們一直在推的政策目標飛機是這樣齁\n\n09:33.507 --> 10:01.782\n他在A330他停在高雄那他目前的安排是人穿早上飛人穿下午飛大阪其實還有晚上可以飛啊來幫我回到上一夜飛機的起降時間高雄已經接下來已經是南部的這個矽谷重鎮那阿姆斯特丹、愛斯摩爾在那裡然後慕尼黑有這個Infrared他是德國的車用晶片\n\n10:02.557 --> 10:23.385\n那矽谷大家就舊金山大家知道矽谷洛杉磯大家知道那也有非常多的這些台灣人他是居住在澳洲布里斯本這些晚上都可以飛的而且其實調整一下他的起飛時間他其實可以不用受到宵禁的影響是不是部長可以做這一方面的研議\n\n10:24.373 --> 10:44.018\n這個部分我們來研議另外就是說針對要飛長線航空我們需要更多的轉機客所以目前我們先把小港機場作為區域一個很重要的一個航空站讓各國的東南亞也好東北亞也好的旅客可以飛來這裡未來轉機往長遠的方向下去飛例如說聯合航空在7月\n\n10:44.659 --> 10:54.079\n飛往舊金山我們就會從高雄來出發那這個部分我們繼續來爭取跟民航的這個航空公司大家一起來配合那民航局也會來協助\n\n10:55.109 --> 11:19.362\n對它其實不只高雄它是對整個南部旅客都有很重要的影響是院長也都指示說南北雙空港對跟委員報告高雄小港跟桃園機場是我們未來的南北雙空港稱為帶動地方交通建設尤其是小港機場它一定未來是大南方新矽谷的重要基地而且是我們南向的一個新的門戶大的門戶所以它\n\n11:20.582 --> 11:47.230\n這個在擴建擴建他的航向未來還有第一期第二期完成之後他一定是一個比現在功能更強更大更有發展性的機場謝謝飛機先來接下來我要講從我去年來到立法院以後其實我就在追中油企業總部大樓那去年二月的第一次的時政報告質詢中油給我的回覆是居然是給我一個七成的研發大樓\n\n11:48.621 --> 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繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1143401_00004"}}}