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00:01:40,850\n我想這個部分當然因為計算的方式不同但他是用分子分母兩個都加的話他的分子都是增加其實美國認為台灣去年對他順超是379億美金可是台灣本身的統計我們的這個粗糙是649億就中間就差了90億美金啊\n\n6\n00:01:51,563 --> 00:02:14,942\n這個金額就不一樣啊那是不是因為定義不一樣所以造成的會有差距那我們是不是應該要跟美國來好好的協商說這個到底要怎麼統計才能夠大家用一致的標準呢當然我想委員所提的這個部分我們可以把資料準備給我們經貿小組在談判的時候可以做一個說明也就是說金額上的一些我們統計上的不同的地方\n\n7\n00:02:16,020 --> 00:02:37,786\n提醒你美國針對產品的原料還有製造如果有35%是來自中國他就會認定是MadeinChina就是中國製造而他中國製造的關稅是比較高的到145%被宣布是這樣但是台灣針對附加價值我們如果製造附加價值超過35%我們就是認為是台灣製造\n\n8\n00:02:41,247 --> 00:02:57,556\n這中間就有落差我們想想看如果一個美國我們要出口去美國的產品從中國進口原料50%然後我們台灣加工50%它的價值然後出口去美國那這樣到底算是台灣製造還是算是中國製造\n\n9\n00:03:00,658 --> 00:03:18,856\n這個部分我們對於原產地的核發經濟部這邊有一定相關的規定什麼樣的情況下可以發MIT這樣的一個原產地證明那至於美國它這樣的一個標準以及所謂的含中成分的問題就是說你的比例是多少是不是用什麼樣的課稅我想這部分是不是可以請經濟部來做說\n\n10\n00:03:20,595 --> 00:03:35,926\n那麼次長你也聽得懂我在問什麼嗎我們台灣現在自己的標準說我們無論原料從哪裡來只要在台灣製造負加價值超過35%以上就認為是台灣製造但是美國是這樣子美國進口到美國的產品\n\n11\n00:03:36,807 --> 00:04:00,438\n如果裡面的原料有35%以上它的價值是來自中國的他就認為是中國製造那我假設現在有一個狀況就是有某一項產品我們從中國進口原料或是半成品來到台灣加工結果裡面中國的原料跟它的半成品價值是50%台灣這邊的附加價值增加50%\n\n12\n00:04:03,581 --> 00:04:25,072\n以這個case而言台灣認為這是台灣製造但是美國認為這是中國製造那這中間這個矛盾要如何處理啊報告委員一個原產地的認定呢其實是進口國海關在認定您所提出的問題當然根據我們的規定是要有實質轉型也都是35%的轉變或者要稅率的這個稅號的轉換\n\n13\n00:04:30,194 --> 00:04:54,948\n所以我們現在有建議我們的所有的出口廠商一定要跟他的客戶他的美國的進口商要保持密切連續去詢問美國海關的相關規定第二個呢美國海關有個預審的制度我們的這個客戶可以請我們的出口商可以請客戶呢把這個要進口的產品的相關的成分的內容請美國海關先做一個預審\n\n14\n00:04:56,482 --> 00:05:11,381\n那這個是預審制度啊問題是我們台灣的規範就輸入美國的這一部分的產品要不要照美國的標準這樣的方式來修正啊不然的話我剛剛講那個case你還是沒有回答我\n\n15\n00:05:12,455 --> 00:05:35,281\n在美國的定義原料跟半成品只要價值在超過35%以上是來自中國他就認為中國製造但是台灣的定義卻是無論原料還有這個半成品從哪裡來只要在台灣加工產生的附加價值超過35%就認為是台灣製造那我剛剛那個case剛好halfandhalf\n\n16\n00:05:36,852 --> 00:06:05,158\n台灣認為是台灣製造美國認為是中國製造這就剛好是美國認為你在替他洗產地啊在替中國洗產地不是嗎?相關的規定我們會再跟美國政府來做溝通我就說以剛剛我講的那個例子是不是就剛好美國政府就可以認為你台灣在幫中國洗產地這個部分的話要由美國來美國的海關來當你被美國海關認定你就慘啦你幫中國洗產地的時候台灣所有產品的關稅\n\n17\n00:06:08,163 --> 00:06:22,447\n所以我們現在是積極的鼓勵要降低這個所有的產品的含中成分我們經濟部也會輔導相關的業者做所以我在今天再跟兩位溝通就是說我們台灣那個附加價值超過35%\n\n18\n00:06:24,508 --> 00:06:41,341\n如果你是銷到別的國家去或許這我們可以定義問題是你銷美國的產品你的定義要跟美國海關採取接近或一致的標準這樣我們台灣才不會有這個危險啊我今天就是在跟你溝通這件事情啊那你贊不贊成這樣的講法呢\n\n19\n00:06:43,649 --> 00:06:59,261\n所以我們一直有在鼓勵一定要降低他的產品有含中的成分這是經濟部一直在努力的方向我知道你剛剛已經有談過了你講的這個方式我也認同問題是你沒有回答到我的問題我們兩個的問題沒有在同一個平面上\n\n20\n00:07:00,222 --> 00:07:28,404\n你要鼓勵大家盡量原料或是半成品盡量不要有含重的成分這我也贊成問題是你至少要跟美國要協同商量有相同的計算方法我們才有辦法有一致的標準我現在看你談的是相同的規範一致的標準而不是你在我也鼓勵我們應該要盡量往好的地方去啊但是這跟我剛剛跟你談的題目是兩件事情啦\n\n21\n00:07:30,966 --> 00:07:50,500\n所以這個提供給你們參考啦另外這個稀產地的太陽喔剛剛也還包括農業部這很難定義的啦我舉個例子我們在海上台灣海峽抓到的漁獲假設是中國的漁船抓到了台灣的漁船抓到的啊在海上做交易然後拿到台灣來在這邊銷售\n\n22\n00:07:53,629 --> 00:08:19,290\n那假設在這邊加工又出口去美國有沒有息產地的問題這也很難定義啊農業部是不是來回答一下杜市長我剛剛的問題你有聽到水產的部分海上抓貨其實它本來沒有國籍但是中國旅船抓貨台灣旅船抓貨不一樣如果在海上做交易然後把它運回來台灣然後再\n\n23\n00:08:20,171 --> 00:08:30,399\n出口去美國會不會有棲產地的問題應該這樣說啦那個棲產地不是我們自己的棲產地那不是我們的貨嘛對不對對啊問題是你也知道我們的棲產地在海淀館寫中國棲產地在海淀館寫寫寫有時候就在海淀館購入海巡視會去寫這個部分不行就不行\n\n24\n00:08:42,788 --> 00:08:47,794\n我當然知道不行啦我的意思是說你這個有辦法很嚴格的來去處理這個事情不一定啦境外要處理國內要出口也是要來顧這個部分只有MIT才能叫MIT好那你先請回江次長也先請回\n\n25\n00:09:00,233 --> 00:09:26,394\n部長我上次跟你諮詢的時候在跟你談到那個小額包裹的事情現在中國出現一種態樣大量的產品運到墨西哥去然後再用小額包裹分拆整個過去然後分拆用小額包裹進到美國去這樣給逃避關稅那我還是再次跟你強調小額包裹的免稅\n\n26\n00:09:28,069 --> 00:09:35,417\n我知道有一些消費者因為他想要得到免稅的福利其實要向這裡澄清稅金是賣的人要交的不是買方交的你賣方得到錢買方得到貨物所以要交稅當然是賣方的人要交\n\n27\n00:09:47,694 --> 00:10:13,914\n但是他們都是貪圖說我一年有幾次可以稅額他是像這樣子去降低那個價格可是這對台灣的製造業者非常的不公平台灣的製造業者有貨物稅出廠之後還有交易稅然後他的公司獲利將來還有盈利事業所得稅分配股利到個人股東的時候還有綜合所得稅\n\n28\n00:10:15,615 --> 00:10:36,409\n結果這些小荷包滾免稅進來通通不用了那再來就是加害給付的問題這上次我也跟你提過所以這部分拜託你一定要好好把關我們美國全部都希望製造業能夠重回美國了那台灣我們如果讓我們台灣的製造業者在一個不公平的競爭環境下那對台灣的業者是不公平的話是傷害台灣自身的產業\n\n29\n00:10:45,979 --> 00:11:04,944\n是我知道委員一直對這個問題非常關注然後上次提案也要我們要提出一個報告這個部分我們會審慎的來最後問一個問題一個小問題請問西產地從第一次美中貿易戰爭之後開始強調就重視到現在請問抓到多少件罰了多少金額罰了多少金額\n\n30\n00:11:16,275 --> 00:11:43,092\n這個是一年的價格一年還是從2018到現在應該是從2018到現在2018到現在抓到四十幾件罰了一百多萬報告委員這是自貿港區的部分因為它是依照自貿港區設置管理條例那還有其他還有貿易法的那多少貿易法的這個部分要貿易署這邊有所以我可以說部長今天來這邊報告寫的都很好看\n\n31\n00:11:45,646 --> 00:12:05,685\n不要供給本地做不到一場戲啊這個事情會嚴重影響到台灣未來美國如果對台灣界定他關稅該繳多少這會影響到台灣重大的產業所以今天這件事情絕對不是在這邊說一說文章講一講寫一寫很漂亮自貿港區2018到現在7年啊\n\n32\n00:12:09,352 --> 00:12:11,575\n40幾件100多萬你認為這有可能嗎我想這個部分也跟委員報告我們會擴大查查的範圍剛剛就是說原來我們是針對他301這個高關稅可不可以每兩個月或是三個月給財政委員一個報告說你們有查獲多少\n\n33\n00:12:25,671 --> 00:12:32,775\n每兩個月提一個報告我們把我們各項的做法也可以提報對要把你們已經查獲多少做的怎麼樣處罰做一個統計表統計數量給我們可以嗎可以私貿港區的部分採訪是海關來採訪\n\n34\n00:12:41,159 --> 00:12:51,502\n那貿易法的部分要請貿易署這邊協助來統計數據對啊我經濟部那邊有聽到啊這個也要一起做啊最後再一個問題說你們報告裡面講說鼓勵民眾檢舉有沒有考慮給獎金\n\n35\n00:12:58,225 --> 00:13:24,985\n市產地抓獲有罰款嘛那對於檢舉的這個民眾有沒有給獎金增加誘因啊不然干我什麼事我為什麼要去檢舉報告委員這部分我們來研議看看好研議喔好謝謝好謝謝委員好那個市產地就是檢舉人那個給獎金這個要研擬兩個月那個就是會籍就是提供給那個財政委員會必要的一個就是市產地的一個報告謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8942\t11671\t主席麻煩請財政部莊部長經濟部江次長好財政部莊部長經濟部江次長\n22209\t45767\t首先請教 關入署出口的統計是以出口地為標準的比如說貨物實際裝船到美國這樣子但是美國的海關的計算方法是不一樣他是以進口來原國或是最多目的地為準這兩個定義不同 那如何在統計數據上如何去協調\n52263\t66222\t這個部分確實在統計數上會有不同比如說我們是以出口當時的離岸的價格那他們是用什麼樣的價格不是只有價格喔我剛剛講的是一個是出口地一個是進口來源國跟最終目的地\n68184\t86191\t會有不同都會相互的釐清另外就是說還有一個時間差的問題還有時間差這裡面是不是會造成民國113年台灣對美國的出口暴增到1000多億增加了46.1%跟上一年增加46.1%跟這個有沒有關係啊\n88939\t100850\t我想這個部分當然因為計算的方式不同但他是用分子分母兩個都加的話他的分子都是增加其實美國認為台灣去年對他順超是379億美金可是台灣本身的統計我們的這個粗糙是649億就中間就差了90億美金啊\n111563\t134942\t這個金額就不一樣啊那是不是因為定義不一樣所以造成的會有差距那我們是不是應該要跟美國來好好的協商說這個到底要怎麼統計才能夠大家用一致的標準呢當然我想委員所提的這個部分我們可以把資料準備給我們經貿小組在談判的時候可以做一個說明也就是說金額上的一些我們統計上的不同的地方\n136020\t157786\t提醒你美國針對產品的原料還有製造如果有35%是來自中國他就會認定是Made in China就是中國製造而他中國製造的關稅是比較高的到145%被宣布是這樣但是台灣針對附加價值我們如果製造附加價值超過35%我們就是認為是台灣製造\n161247\t177556\t這中間就有落差我們想想看如果一個美國我們要出口去美國的產品從中國進口原料50%然後我們台灣加工50%它的價值然後出口去美國那這樣到底算是台灣製造還是算是中國製造\n180658\t198856\t這個部分我們對於原產地的核發經濟部這邊有一定相關的規定什麼樣的情況下可以發MIT這樣的一個原產地證明那至於美國它這樣的一個標準以及所謂的含中成分的問題就是說你的比例是多少是不是用什麼樣的課稅我想這部分是不是可以請經濟部來做說\n200595\t215926\t那麼次長你也聽得懂我在問什麼嗎我們台灣現在自己的標準說我們無論原料從哪裡來只要在台灣製造負加價值超過35%以上就認為是台灣製造但是美國是這樣子美國進口到美國的產品\n216807\t240438\t如果裡面的原料有35%以上它的價值是來自中國的他就認為是中國製造那我假設現在有一個狀況就是有某一項產品我們從中國進口原料或是半成品來到台灣加工結果裡面中國的原料跟它的半成品價值是50%台灣這邊的附加價值增加50%\n243581\t265072\t以這個case而言台灣認為這是台灣製造但是美國認為這是中國製造那這中間這個矛盾要如何處理啊報告委員一個原產地的認定呢其實是進口國海關在認定您所提出的問題當然根據我們的規定是要有實質轉型也都是35%的轉變或者要稅率的這個稅號的轉換\n270194\t294948\t所以我們現在有建議我們的所有的出口廠商一定要跟他的客戶他的美國的進口商要保持密切連續去詢問美國海關的相關規定第二個呢美國海關有個預審的制度我們的這個客戶可以請我們的出口商可以請客戶呢把這個要進口的產品的相關的成分的內容請美國海關先做一個預審\n296482\t311381\t那這個是預審制度啊問題是我們台灣的規範就輸入美國的這一部分的產品要不要照美國的標準這樣的方式來修正啊不然的話我剛剛講那個case你還是沒有回答我\n312455\t335281\t在美國的定義原料跟半成品只要價值在超過35%以上是來自中國他就認為中國製造但是台灣的定義卻是無論原料還有這個半成品從哪裡來只要在台灣加工產生的附加價值超過35%就認為是台灣製造那我剛剛那個case剛好half and half\n336852\t365158\t台灣認為是台灣製造美國認為是中國製造這就剛好是美國認為你在替他洗產地啊在替中國洗產地不是嗎?相關的規定我們會再跟美國政府來做溝通我就說以剛剛我講的那個例子是不是就剛好美國政府就可以認為你台灣在幫中國洗產地這個部分的話要由美國來美國的海關來當你被美國海關認定你就慘啦你幫中國洗產地的時候台灣所有產品的關稅\n368163\t382447\t所以我們現在是積極的鼓勵要降低這個所有的產品的含中成分我們經濟部也會輔導相關的業者做所以我在今天再跟兩位溝通就是說我們台灣那個附加價值超過35%\n384508\t401341\t如果你是銷到別的國家去或許這我們可以定義問題是你銷美國的產品你的定義要跟美國海關採取接近或一致的標準這樣我們台灣才不會有這個危險啊我今天就是在跟你溝通這件事情啊那你贊不贊成這樣的講法呢\n403649\t419261\t所以我們一直有在鼓勵一定要降低他的產品有含中的成分這是經濟部一直在努力的方向我知道你剛剛已經有談過了你講的這個方式我也認同問題是你沒有回答到我的問題我們兩個的問題沒有在同一個平面上\n420222\t448404\t你要鼓勵大家盡量原料或是半成品盡量不要有含重的成分這我也贊成問題是你至少要跟美國要協同商量有相同的計算方法我們才有辦法有一致的標準我現在看你談的是相同的規範一致的標準而不是你在我也鼓勵我們應該要盡量往好的地方去啊但是這跟我剛剛跟你談的題目是兩件事情啦\n450966\t470500\t所以這個提供給你們參考啦另外這個稀產地的太陽喔剛剛也還包括農業部這很難定義的啦我舉個例子我們在海上台灣海峽抓到的漁獲假設是中國的漁船抓到了台灣的漁船抓到的啊在海上做交易然後拿到台灣來在這邊銷售\n473629\t499290\t那假設在這邊加工又出口去美國有沒有息產地的問題這也很難定義啊 農業部是不是來回答一下杜市長我剛剛的問題你有聽到水產的部分海上抓貨其實它本來沒有國籍但是中國旅船抓貨 台灣旅船抓貨不一樣如果在海上做交易然後把它運回來台灣然後再\n500171\t510399\t出口去美國會不會有棲產地的問題應該這樣說啦 那個棲產地不是我們自己的棲產地那不是我們的貨嘛 對不對對啊 問題是你也知道我們的棲產地在海淀館寫中國棲產地在海淀館寫寫寫有時候就在海淀館購入海巡視會去寫這個部分 不行就不行\n522788\t527794\t我當然知道不行啦 我的意思是說你這個有辦法很嚴格的來去處理這個事情不一定啦 境外要處理 國內要出口也是要來顧這個部分只有MIT才能叫MIT好 那你先請回 江次長也先請回\n540233\t566394\t部長我上次跟你諮詢的時候在跟你談到那個小額包裹的事情現在中國出現一種態樣大量的產品運到墨西哥去然後再用小額包裹分拆整個過去然後分拆用小額包裹進到美國去這樣給逃避關稅那我還是再次跟你強調小額包裹的免稅\n568069\t575417\t我知道有一些消費者因為他想要得到免稅的福利其實要向這裡澄清 稅金是賣的人要交的不是買方交的你賣方得到錢 買方得到貨物所以要交稅 當然是賣方的人要交\n587694\t613914\t但是他們都是貪圖說我一年有幾次可以稅額他是像這樣子去降低那個價格可是這對台灣的製造業者非常的不公平台灣的製造業者有貨物稅出廠之後還有交易稅然後他的公司獲利將來還有盈利事業所得稅分配股利到個人股東的時候還有綜合所得稅\n615615\t636409\t結果這些小荷包滾免稅進來通通不用了那再來就是加害給付的問題這上次我也跟你提過所以這部分拜託你一定要好好把關我們美國全部都希望製造業能夠重回美國了那台灣我們如果讓我們台灣的製造業者在一個不公平的競爭環境下那對台灣的業者是不公平的話是傷害台灣自身的產業\n645979\t664944\t是我知道委員一直對這個問題非常關注然後上次提案也要我們要提出一個報告這個部分我們會審慎的來最後問一個問題一個小問題請問西產地從第一次美中貿易戰爭之後開始強調就重視到現在請問抓到多少件罰了多少金額罰了多少金額\n676275\t703092\t這個是一年的價格一年還是從2018到現在應該是從2018到現在2018到現在抓到四十幾件罰了一百多萬報告委員這是自貿港區的部分因為它是依照自貿港區設置管理條例那還有其他還有貿易法的那多少貿易法的這個部分要貿易署這邊有所以我可以說部長今天來這邊報告寫的都很好看\n705646\t725685\t不要供給本地做不到一場戲啊這個事情會嚴重影響到台灣未來美國如果對台灣界定他關稅該繳多少這會影響到台灣重大的產業所以今天這件事情絕對不是在這邊說一說文章講一講寫一寫很漂亮自貿港區2018到現在7年啊\n729352\t731575\t40幾件100多萬你認為這有可能嗎我想這個部分也跟委員報告我們會擴大查查的範圍剛剛就是說原來我們是針對他301這個高關稅可不可以每兩個月或是三個月給財政委員一個報告說你們有查獲多少\n745671\t752775\t每兩個月提一個報告我們把我們各項的做法也可以提報對 要把你們已經查獲多少做的怎麼樣處罰做一個統計表統計數量給我們可以嗎可以 私貿港區的部分採訪是海關來採訪\n761159\t771502\t那貿易法的部分要請貿易署這邊協助來統計數據對啊 我經濟部那邊有聽到啊這個也要一起做啊最後再一個問題說你們報告裡面講說鼓勵民眾檢舉有沒有考慮給獎金\n778225\t804985\t市產地抓獲有罰款嘛那對於檢舉的這個民眾有沒有給獎金 增加誘因啊不然干我什麼事 我為什麼要去檢舉報告委員 這部分我們來研議看看好 研議喔 好 謝謝好 謝謝委員好 那個市產地就是檢舉人那個給獎金這個要研擬兩個月那個就是會籍就是提供給那個財政委員會必要的一個就是市產地的一個報告謝謝\n","txt":"主席麻煩請財政部莊部長經濟部江次長好財政部莊部長經濟部江次長\n首先請教 關入署出口的統計是以出口地為標準的比如說貨物實際裝船到美國這樣子但是美國的海關的計算方法是不一樣他是以進口來原國或是最多目的地為準這兩個定義不同 那如何在統計數據上如何去協調\n這個部分確實在統計數上會有不同比如說我們是以出口當時的離岸的價格那他們是用什麼樣的價格不是只有價格喔我剛剛講的是一個是出口地一個是進口來源國跟最終目的地\n會有不同都會相互的釐清另外就是說還有一個時間差的問題還有時間差這裡面是不是會造成民國113年台灣對美國的出口暴增到1000多億增加了46.1%跟上一年增加46.1%跟這個有沒有關係啊\n我想這個部分當然因為計算的方式不同但他是用分子分母兩個都加的話他的分子都是增加其實美國認為台灣去年對他順超是379億美金可是台灣本身的統計我們的這個粗糙是649億就中間就差了90億美金啊\n這個金額就不一樣啊那是不是因為定義不一樣所以造成的會有差距那我們是不是應該要跟美國來好好的協商說這個到底要怎麼統計才能夠大家用一致的標準呢當然我想委員所提的這個部分我們可以把資料準備給我們經貿小組在談判的時候可以做一個說明也就是說金額上的一些我們統計上的不同的地方\n提醒你美國針對產品的原料還有製造如果有35%是來自中國他就會認定是Made in China就是中國製造而他中國製造的關稅是比較高的到145%被宣布是這樣但是台灣針對附加價值我們如果製造附加價值超過35%我們就是認為是台灣製造\n這中間就有落差我們想想看如果一個美國我們要出口去美國的產品從中國進口原料50%然後我們台灣加工50%它的價值然後出口去美國那這樣到底算是台灣製造還是算是中國製造\n這個部分我們對於原產地的核發經濟部這邊有一定相關的規定什麼樣的情況下可以發MIT這樣的一個原產地證明那至於美國它這樣的一個標準以及所謂的含中成分的問題就是說你的比例是多少是不是用什麼樣的課稅我想這部分是不是可以請經濟部來做說\n那麼次長你也聽得懂我在問什麼嗎我們台灣現在自己的標準說我們無論原料從哪裡來只要在台灣製造負加價值超過35%以上就認為是台灣製造但是美國是這樣子美國進口到美國的產品\n如果裡面的原料有35%以上它的價值是來自中國的他就認為是中國製造那我假設現在有一個狀況就是有某一項產品我們從中國進口原料或是半成品來到台灣加工結果裡面中國的原料跟它的半成品價值是50%台灣這邊的附加價值增加50%\n以這個case而言台灣認為這是台灣製造但是美國認為這是中國製造那這中間這個矛盾要如何處理啊報告委員一個原產地的認定呢其實是進口國海關在認定您所提出的問題當然根據我們的規定是要有實質轉型也都是35%的轉變或者要稅率的這個稅號的轉換\n所以我們現在有建議我們的所有的出口廠商一定要跟他的客戶他的美國的進口商要保持密切連續去詢問美國海關的相關規定第二個呢美國海關有個預審的制度我們的這個客戶可以請我們的出口商可以請客戶呢把這個要進口的產品的相關的成分的內容請美國海關先做一個預審\n那這個是預審制度啊問題是我們台灣的規範就輸入美國的這一部分的產品要不要照美國的標準這樣的方式來修正啊不然的話我剛剛講那個case你還是沒有回答我\n在美國的定義原料跟半成品只要價值在超過35%以上是來自中國他就認為中國製造但是台灣的定義卻是無論原料還有這個半成品從哪裡來只要在台灣加工產生的附加價值超過35%就認為是台灣製造那我剛剛那個case剛好half and half\n台灣認為是台灣製造美國認為是中國製造這就剛好是美國認為你在替他洗產地啊在替中國洗產地不是嗎?相關的規定我們會再跟美國政府來做溝通我就說以剛剛我講的那個例子是不是就剛好美國政府就可以認為你台灣在幫中國洗產地這個部分的話要由美國來美國的海關來當你被美國海關認定你就慘啦你幫中國洗產地的時候台灣所有產品的關稅\n所以我們現在是積極的鼓勵要降低這個所有的產品的含中成分我們經濟部也會輔導相關的業者做所以我在今天再跟兩位溝通就是說我們台灣那個附加價值超過35%\n如果你是銷到別的國家去或許這我們可以定義問題是你銷美國的產品你的定義要跟美國海關採取接近或一致的標準這樣我們台灣才不會有這個危險啊我今天就是在跟你溝通這件事情啊那你贊不贊成這樣的講法呢\n所以我們一直有在鼓勵一定要降低他的產品有含中的成分這是經濟部一直在努力的方向我知道你剛剛已經有談過了你講的這個方式我也認同問題是你沒有回答到我的問題我們兩個的問題沒有在同一個平面上\n你要鼓勵大家盡量原料或是半成品盡量不要有含重的成分這我也贊成問題是你至少要跟美國要協同商量有相同的計算方法我們才有辦法有一致的標準我現在看你談的是相同的規範一致的標準而不是你在我也鼓勵我們應該要盡量往好的地方去啊但是這跟我剛剛跟你談的題目是兩件事情啦\n所以這個提供給你們參考啦另外這個稀產地的太陽喔剛剛也還包括農業部這很難定義的啦我舉個例子我們在海上台灣海峽抓到的漁獲假設是中國的漁船抓到了台灣的漁船抓到的啊在海上做交易然後拿到台灣來在這邊銷售\n那假設在這邊加工又出口去美國有沒有息產地的問題這也很難定義啊 農業部是不是來回答一下杜市長我剛剛的問題你有聽到水產的部分海上抓貨其實它本來沒有國籍但是中國旅船抓貨 台灣旅船抓貨不一樣如果在海上做交易然後把它運回來台灣然後再\n出口去美國會不會有棲產地的問題應該這樣說啦 那個棲產地不是我們自己的棲產地那不是我們的貨嘛 對不對對啊 問題是你也知道我們的棲產地在海淀館寫中國棲產地在海淀館寫寫寫有時候就在海淀館購入海巡視會去寫這個部分 不行就不行\n我當然知道不行啦 我的意思是說你這個有辦法很嚴格的來去處理這個事情不一定啦 境外要處理 國內要出口也是要來顧這個部分只有MIT才能叫MIT好 那你先請回 江次長也先請回\n部長我上次跟你諮詢的時候在跟你談到那個小額包裹的事情現在中國出現一種態樣大量的產品運到墨西哥去然後再用小額包裹分拆整個過去然後分拆用小額包裹進到美國去這樣給逃避關稅那我還是再次跟你強調小額包裹的免稅\n我知道有一些消費者因為他想要得到免稅的福利其實要向這裡澄清 稅金是賣的人要交的不是買方交的你賣方得到錢 買方得到貨物所以要交稅 當然是賣方的人要交\n但是他們都是貪圖說我一年有幾次可以稅額他是像這樣子去降低那個價格可是這對台灣的製造業者非常的不公平台灣的製造業者有貨物稅出廠之後還有交易稅然後他的公司獲利將來還有盈利事業所得稅分配股利到個人股東的時候還有綜合所得稅\n結果這些小荷包滾免稅進來通通不用了那再來就是加害給付的問題這上次我也跟你提過所以這部分拜託你一定要好好把關我們美國全部都希望製造業能夠重回美國了那台灣我們如果讓我們台灣的製造業者在一個不公平的競爭環境下那對台灣的業者是不公平的話是傷害台灣自身的產業\n是我知道委員一直對這個問題非常關注然後上次提案也要我們要提出一個報告這個部分我們會審慎的來最後問一個問題一個小問題請問西產地從第一次美中貿易戰爭之後開始強調就重視到現在請問抓到多少件罰了多少金額罰了多少金額\n這個是一年的價格一年還是從2018到現在應該是從2018到現在2018到現在抓到四十幾件罰了一百多萬報告委員這是自貿港區的部分因為它是依照自貿港區設置管理條例那還有其他還有貿易法的那多少貿易法的這個部分要貿易署這邊有所以我可以說部長今天來這邊報告寫的都很好看\n不要供給本地做不到一場戲啊這個事情會嚴重影響到台灣未來美國如果對台灣界定他關稅該繳多少這會影響到台灣重大的產業所以今天這件事情絕對不是在這邊說一說文章講一講寫一寫很漂亮自貿港區2018到現在7年啊\n40幾件100多萬你認為這有可能嗎我想這個部分也跟委員報告我們會擴大查查的範圍剛剛就是說原來我們是針對他301這個高關稅可不可以每兩個月或是三個月給財政委員一個報告說你們有查獲多少\n每兩個月提一個報告我們把我們各項的做法也可以提報對 要把你們已經查獲多少做的怎麼樣處罰做一個統計表統計數量給我們可以嗎可以 私貿港區的部分採訪是海關來採訪\n那貿易法的部分要請貿易署這邊協助來統計數據對啊 我經濟部那邊有聽到啊這個也要一起做啊最後再一個問題說你們報告裡面講說鼓勵民眾檢舉有沒有考慮給獎金\n市產地抓獲有罰款嘛那對於檢舉的這個民眾有沒有給獎金 增加誘因啊不然干我什麼事 我為什麼要去檢舉報告委員 這部分我們來研議看看好 研議喔 好 謝謝好 謝謝委員好 那個市產地就是檢舉人那個給獎金這個要研擬兩個月那個就是會籍就是提供給那個財政委員會必要的一個就是市產地的一個報告謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.942 --> 00:11.671\n主席麻煩請財政部莊部長經濟部江次長好財政部莊部長經濟部江次長\n\n00:22.209 --> 00:45.767\n首先請教關入署出口的統計是以出口地為標準的比如說貨物實際裝船到美國這樣子但是美國的海關的計算方法是不一樣他是以進口來原國或是最多目的地為準這兩個定義不同那如何在統計數據上如何去協調\n\n00:52.263 --> 01:06.222\n這個部分確實在統計數上會有不同比如說我們是以出口當時的離岸的價格那他們是用什麼樣的價格不是只有價格喔我剛剛講的是一個是出口地一個是進口來源國跟最終目的地\n\n01:08.184 --> 01:26.191\n會有不同都會相互的釐清另外就是說還有一個時間差的問題還有時間差這裡面是不是會造成民國113年台灣對美國的出口暴增到1000多億增加了46.1%跟上一年增加46.1%跟這個有沒有關係啊\n\n01:28.939 --> 01:40.850\n我想這個部分當然因為計算的方式不同但他是用分子分母兩個都加的話他的分子都是增加其實美國認為台灣去年對他順超是379億美金可是台灣本身的統計我們的這個粗糙是649億就中間就差了90億美金啊\n\n01:51.563 --> 02:14.942\n這個金額就不一樣啊那是不是因為定義不一樣所以造成的會有差距那我們是不是應該要跟美國來好好的協商說這個到底要怎麼統計才能夠大家用一致的標準呢當然我想委員所提的這個部分我們可以把資料準備給我們經貿小組在談判的時候可以做一個說明也就是說金額上的一些我們統計上的不同的地方\n\n02:16.020 --> 02:37.786\n提醒你美國針對產品的原料還有製造如果有35%是來自中國他就會認定是MadeinChina就是中國製造而他中國製造的關稅是比較高的到145%被宣布是這樣但是台灣針對附加價值我們如果製造附加價值超過35%我們就是認為是台灣製造\n\n02:41.247 --> 02:57.556\n這中間就有落差我們想想看如果一個美國我們要出口去美國的產品從中國進口原料50%然後我們台灣加工50%它的價值然後出口去美國那這樣到底算是台灣製造還是算是中國製造\n\n03:00.658 --> 03:18.856\n這個部分我們對於原產地的核發經濟部這邊有一定相關的規定什麼樣的情況下可以發MIT這樣的一個原產地證明那至於美國它這樣的一個標準以及所謂的含中成分的問題就是說你的比例是多少是不是用什麼樣的課稅我想這部分是不是可以請經濟部來做說\n\n03:20.595 --> 03:35.926\n那麼次長你也聽得懂我在問什麼嗎我們台灣現在自己的標準說我們無論原料從哪裡來只要在台灣製造負加價值超過35%以上就認為是台灣製造但是美國是這樣子美國進口到美國的產品\n\n03:36.807 --> 04:00.438\n如果裡面的原料有35%以上它的價值是來自中國的他就認為是中國製造那我假設現在有一個狀況就是有某一項產品我們從中國進口原料或是半成品來到台灣加工結果裡面中國的原料跟它的半成品價值是50%台灣這邊的附加價值增加50%\n\n04:03.581 --> 04:25.072\n以這個case而言台灣認為這是台灣製造但是美國認為這是中國製造那這中間這個矛盾要如何處理啊報告委員一個原產地的認定呢其實是進口國海關在認定您所提出的問題當然根據我們的規定是要有實質轉型也都是35%的轉變或者要稅率的這個稅號的轉換\n\n04:30.194 --> 04:54.948\n所以我們現在有建議我們的所有的出口廠商一定要跟他的客戶他的美國的進口商要保持密切連續去詢問美國海關的相關規定第二個呢美國海關有個預審的制度我們的這個客戶可以請我們的出口商可以請客戶呢把這個要進口的產品的相關的成分的內容請美國海關先做一個預審\n\n04:56.482 --> 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07:50.500\n所以這個提供給你們參考啦另外這個稀產地的太陽喔剛剛也還包括農業部這很難定義的啦我舉個例子我們在海上台灣海峽抓到的漁獲假設是中國的漁船抓到了台灣的漁船抓到的啊在海上做交易然後拿到台灣來在這邊銷售\n\n07:53.629 --> 08:19.290\n那假設在這邊加工又出口去美國有沒有息產地的問題這也很難定義啊農業部是不是來回答一下杜市長我剛剛的問題你有聽到水產的部分海上抓貨其實它本來沒有國籍但是中國旅船抓貨台灣旅船抓貨不一樣如果在海上做交易然後把它運回來台灣然後再\n\n08:20.171 --> 08:30.399\n出口去美國會不會有棲產地的問題應該這樣說啦那個棲產地不是我們自己的棲產地那不是我們的貨嘛對不對對啊問題是你也知道我們的棲產地在海淀館寫中國棲產地在海淀館寫寫寫有時候就在海淀館購入海巡視會去寫這個部分不行就不行\n\n08:42.788 --> 08:47.794\n我當然知道不行啦我的意思是說你這個有辦法很嚴格的來去處理這個事情不一定啦境外要處理國內要出口也是要來顧這個部分只有MIT才能叫MIT好那你先請回江次長也先請回\n\n09:00.233 --> 09:26.394\n部長我上次跟你諮詢的時候在跟你談到那個小額包裹的事情現在中國出現一種態樣大量的產品運到墨西哥去然後再用小額包裹分拆整個過去然後分拆用小額包裹進到美國去這樣給逃避關稅那我還是再次跟你強調小額包裹的免稅\n\n09:28.069 --> 09:35.417\n我知道有一些消費者因為他想要得到免稅的福利其實要向這裡澄清稅金是賣的人要交的不是買方交的你賣方得到錢買方得到貨物所以要交稅當然是賣方的人要交\n\n09:47.694 --> 10:13.914\n但是他們都是貪圖說我一年有幾次可以稅額他是像這樣子去降低那個價格可是這對台灣的製造業者非常的不公平台灣的製造業者有貨物稅出廠之後還有交易稅然後他的公司獲利將來還有盈利事業所得稅分配股利到個人股東的時候還有綜合所得稅\n\n10:15.615 --> 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half，台灣認為是台灣製造，美國認為是中國製造，這就剛好是美國所認為的你在替它洗產地、在替中國洗產地，不是嗎？"],["江次長文若：相關的規定我們會再跟美國政府來做溝通……"],["吳委員秉叡：我就說以剛剛我講的那個例子，是不是美國政府就可以認為台灣在幫中國洗產地？"],["江次長文若：這個部分的話要由美國的海關來……"],["吳委員秉叡：當你被美國海關認定，你就慘了啦！你幫中國洗產地的時候，台灣所有產品的關稅，它就會用不同的標準看待你啦！"],["江次長文若：是，所以我們現在是積極鼓勵要降低所有產品的含中成分，我們經濟部也會輔導相關的業者做相關轉型及研發。"],["吳委員秉叡：對，所以我今天在跟兩位溝通的就是，我們台灣定義的附加價值超過35%，如果你是銷到別的國家去，或許這部分我們可以自己定義，問題是銷往美國的產品，我們的定義要跟美國海關採取接近或一致的標準，這樣我們台灣才不會有這個危險，我今天就是在跟你溝通這件事情，你贊不贊成這樣的講法呢？"],["江次長文若：所以我們一直有在鼓勵一定要降低產品的含中成分，這是經濟部一直在努力的方向，所以在……"],["吳委員秉叡：我知道，你剛剛已經有談過了，你講的這個方式我也認同，問題是你沒有回答到我的問題，我們兩個的問題沒有在同一個平面上，你要鼓勵大家原料或是半成品儘量不要有含中的成分，這我也贊成，問題是你至少要跟美國協同商量有相同的計算方法，我們才有辦法有一致的標準，我現在跟你談的是相同的規範、一致的標準，而不是你在講的，我也鼓勵我們應該要儘量往好的地方去，但這跟我剛剛跟你談的題目是兩件事情。"],["江次長文若：是。"],["吳委員秉叡：所以這個提供給你們參考。"],["江次長文若：是。"],["吳委員秉叡：另外，有關洗產地的態樣，包括農業部的部分，這是很難定義的，我舉個例子，我們在海上、在台灣海峽抓到的漁獲，假設是中國的漁船抓到的、台灣的漁船抓到的，在海上做交易，然後拿到台灣來，在這邊銷售，假設在這邊加工又出口去美國，有沒有洗產地的問題，這也很難定義，農業部是不是來回答一下？請杜次長。"],["主席：請農業部。"],["吳委員秉叡：我剛剛的問題你有聽到嘛，水產的部分，海上抓獲的其實本來沒有國籍，但是中國的漁船抓獲、台灣的漁船抓獲是不一樣的，如果在海上做交易，然後運回來台灣，再出口去美國，會不會有洗產地的問題？"],["杜次長文珍：應該這樣說，那個魚不是我們自己的漁船抓到的，那就不是我們的貨，對不對？那就不能再出口。"],["吳委員秉叡：對啊，問題是你也知道我們的漁船在海上抓獲，中國的漁船也在海上抓獲，有時候抓完就直接在海上交易了。"],["杜次長文珍：海巡署會去抓這個部分，不行就不行。"],["吳委員秉叡：我當然知道不行，我的意思是說……"],["杜次長文珍：要注意，謝謝委員提醒，這個部分要注意。"],["吳委員秉叡：你有辦法很嚴格來處理這個事情嗎？"],["杜次長文珍：一定要，境外要處理，我們國內要出口也是要來顧這個部分，只有MIT才能叫做MIT。"],["吳委員秉叡：好，那你先請回，江次長也先請回。","部長，我上次質詢你的時候有談到小額包裹的事情，現在中國出現一種態樣，大量的產品運到墨西哥去，然後再用小額包裹分拆，整個過去然後分拆，用小額包裹進到美國，這樣也逃避關稅。我還是再次跟你強調，小額包裹的免稅，我知道有一些消費者，因為他想要得到免稅的福利，要先在這裡澄清，稅金是賣的人要交的，不是買方交的，賣方得到錢，買方得到貨物，所以要交稅當然是賣方要交，對不對？但是他們都是貪圖一年有幾次可以免稅額，他是用這樣的方式去降低價格，可是這對台灣的製造業者非常不公平，台灣的製造業者有貨物稅，出廠之後還有交易稅，公司獲利，將來還有營利事業所得稅，分配股利到個人股東的時候還有綜合所得稅，結果這些小額包裹免稅進來通通不用了；再來就是加害給付的問題，上次我也跟你提過，所以這部分拜託你一定要好好把關。川普都希望製造業能夠重回美國了，我們如果讓台灣的製造業者在一個不公平的競爭環境下，對台灣的業者不公平的話，是傷害台灣自身的產業。"],["莊部長翠雲：是，我知道委員一直對這個問題非常關注，上次提案也要我們提出一個報告，這個部分我們會審慎地來做研議、彙整。"],["吳委員秉叡：最後問一個小問題，請問洗產地這件事從第一次美中貿易戰爭之後開始強調，就重視到現在，請問抓到多少件、罰了多少金額？"],["莊部長翠雲：自貿港區有43件。"],["吳委員秉叡：罰了多少金額？"],["彭署長英偉：一百多萬。"],["吳委員秉叡：這是一年的金額還是從2018年到現在？"],["彭署長英偉：應該是從2018年到現在。"],["吳委員秉叡：從2018年到現在抓到四十幾件、罰了一百多萬？"],["彭署長英偉：報告委員，這是自貿港區的部分，因為他是依照自貿港區設置管理條例處罰……"],["吳委員秉叡：自貿港區，那其他的呢？"],["彭署長英偉：另外還有貿易法的部分。"],["吳委員秉叡：那是多少？"],["彭署長英偉：貿易法的部分要由貿易署這邊來回答，他們有統計。"],["吳委員秉叡：所以部長我跟你說，今天來這邊報告，寫得都很好看啦，但千萬不要「講甲一畚箕，做無一湯匙」啊，這個事情會嚴重影響到台灣，未來美國如何對台灣界定關稅該繳多少，這會影響到台灣重大的產業，所以今天這件事情絕對不是在這邊說一說，文章講一講、寫一寫很漂亮，自貿港區從2018年到現在七年了，四十幾件、一百多萬，你認為這有可能嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：我想這個部分也跟委員報告，我們會擴大查察的範圍，也就是剛剛說的，原來我們是針對它的301條款課高關稅……"],["吳委員秉叡：你可不可以每兩個月或是每三個月給財政委員會一個報告，說你們又查獲多少？"],["莊部長翠雲：每兩個月提一個報告可以，我們把我們的各項的作法也一併提供。"],["吳委員秉叡：對，把你們已經查獲多少，做得怎麼樣、處罰多少，做一個統計表，統計數量給我們，可以嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：可以。"],["彭署長英偉：自貿港區的部分，裁罰是由海關來裁罰，至於貿易法的部分要請貿易署這邊協助來統計數字。"],["吳委員秉叡：對啊，我說的經濟部那邊也有聽到啊，這個也要一起做嘛！最後一個問題，你們的報告裡面提到要鼓勵民眾檢舉，有沒有考慮給獎金？"],["莊部長翠雲：獎金？"],["吳委員秉叡：洗產地抓獲有罰款嘛！"],["彭署長英偉：是。"],["吳委員秉叡：對於檢舉的這些民眾有沒有發給獎金？增加誘因啊，不然干我什麼事，我為什麼要去檢舉！"],["彭署長英偉：報告委員，這一部分我們來研議看看。"],["吳委員秉叡：好，研議喔，謝謝。"],["莊部長翠雲：謝謝委員。"],["主席：查獲洗產地時，針對檢舉人應該要發給獎金，這個請財政部去做研擬，請於兩個月內，也就是本會期提供財政委員會必要的作法，也就是洗產地的一個報告，謝謝。","接著請賴士葆召委質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":190,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-20-8","speakers":["賴惠員","林德福","吳秉叡","賴士葆","郭國文","鍾佳濱","李彥秀","李坤城","顏寬恒","黃珊珊","林思銘","陳玉珍","羅明才","王世堅","張啓楷","黃國昌","林楚茵","徐富癸","陳冠廷","牛煦庭","黃捷","邱志偉"],"page_start":117,"meetingDate":["2025-04-16"],"gazette_id":"1143801","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1143801_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、經濟部、農業部及公平交易委員會就「防範中國大陸產品低價傾銷及透\n過台灣洗產地問題之因應策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1143801_00003"}}}