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00:02:56,049\n跟委員報告,我在今年的1月1號已經核定新增保防人力54位足夠嗎?那現在的,我想我們會陸續來招募這樣子的相關的這些保防的幹部跟保防所需要的這個能力還是不足?\n\n8\n00:02:57,329 --> 00:03:23,659\n我們希望逐步的來提高到我們應該要到達的一個所需要的能力的一個程度,那我獲得的訊息應該是說我們應該可以逐步的增加當中好,那我們這個保防工作也是非常重要,那為了避免受到外界的一個干預,我們是不是應該要維持它的獨立性來提升我們保防的這個效能?\n\n9\n00:03:25,605 --> 00:03:45,754\n隱蔽性獨立性獨立性是保防人員一向具有他相關的獨立性如果您實際操作面上看起來他真的相當獨立因為他很多事情都是要直接跟我做個報告直接對我做報告\n\n10\n00:03:46,354 --> 00:04:03,723\n好,那我們這個保防教育的相關業務,是結合我們單位任務的一個特性,參與我們國軍這個保密工作的教則來做相關的一個規範,那也是有計畫有重點的在做宣傳\n\n11\n00:04:05,084 --> 00:04:21,718\n並且結合我們每週的舉光日的教學,還有每月的保防教育,還有每季的軍事官團教育來做宣教那目前辦理相關講座或是訓練的密度,是否有精進的空間?\n\n12\n00:04:23,159 --> 00:04:49,977\n我們有應該是已經強化了有關相關的一些這些教育班隊的一個密度了這個詳細的是不是說明一下好跟委員做報告針對專家學者的講座在今年我們也針對中將級主管以上的單位我們由各單位我們建訓他的一個人選針對有兩岸情形研究一個專長以及向調查局他本身辦國安案件相關的一個專長的\n\n13\n00:04:51,117 --> 00:05:08,749\n一些高階主管來進行授課那另外中將級以上中將級以上主管不是中將級以上的人員就是這個單位是中將級主管的單位我們就來做一個順利的講座另外我們也結合我們舉辦的定時教學邀請我們的兩位的戰略顧問以及檢查總長來針對國安的滲透以及對國家的忠誠\n\n14\n00:05:17,655 --> 00:05:45,582\n來做一個我們作為做一個那個菊光路的一個宣導教育好另外我的瞭解是他們自己本身也要建立的他們這個相關的能量所以也開設了一些班隊包括這個針防的專精班禽獸的專精班網路的這個禽獸班等等還有搶綜合的技術的專精班等等這些我想大家都正在努力的在進行當中好\n\n15\n00:05:46,682 --> 00:06:10,849\n我們這個部分單位比較容易接受到這個機敏的相關資訊若能夠有一個比較完善讓內部人員的這個安全查核的這個機制能夠更加完善建立分級管制的一個標準我相信是能夠減少一些漏洞在此也請我們國防部還有國安單位能夠通力合作一起來防範\n\n16\n00:06:12,730 --> 00:06:33,829\n另外在上個月巡打的時候,曾請教過部長吳仁基是否可以納入教招的一個項目部長您也表示說應該要納入,會以朝向人人都會操作的目標來運行但是在近日的一篇媒體的報導當中\n\n17\n00:06:36,952 --> 00:06:57,175\n指出目前我們在部隊當中無論是器材或是師資都是不足的情況那我想請教部長就是對於我們師資的培訓還有訓練的量能否再改善進一步來提升通過訓練的一個比例我們是\n\n18\n00:06:59,426 --> 00:07:28,405\n委員好我是權動署署長在這裡跟委員做個報告首先就師資培訓的部分我以我們14個縣市後備旅來講我們今年度開始就在做師資培訓的部分到目前為止我們依照提供的教育訓練流程我們分成18個梯次分別要建立850元的一個無人機操作的師資總人\n\n19\n00:07:29,766 --> 00:07:57,815\n那在裝備的部分17個縣市後備旅來講的話我們在今年7月份分成兩梯次來獲得是小型的兼徵型的無人機上半年會獲得425架年底之前會獲得425架總共會有850架的無人機那在獅子種人以及營區裡面的訓練場地以及這個裝備的部分我們目前都在同步的建置\n\n20\n00:07:58,675 --> 00:08:21,477\n以上報告所以就是要到年底的時候才有辦法把設備都準備齊全可是師資方面因為我們現在志願役的部分他學了一個月就要教新兵那自然是無法教得很透徹只能傳授基本的一些基礎那對於這個部分我想師資的部分你設備齊全了師資不夠的話也不行\n\n21\n00:08:24,905 --> 00:08:48,927\n報委員,我就有兩個部分向您報告第一個,我們在今年的義務役的入伍訓練已經新增加了一個無人機的基礎操作的課程那在這個部分的師資也都經由我們的無人機訓練中心完成相關的師資培訓我們也實際上到各接訓的單位去輔導檢視在入伍接訓的部分師資是足夠的\n\n22\n00:08:49,668 --> 00:09:11,917\n那另外第二個部分在常備部隊有關於我們的無人機建制那不管是商售或是軍售的無人機建制我們整個都是含裝備帶訓練所以這個部分在施肢也不會有問題向您報告好那我想另外就教就是說我們有沒有可能可以跟這個民間來合作借重民間的這個專長在這方面\n\n23\n00:09:16,279 --> 00:09:44,608\n不管是在訓練或是未來我們所培訓的相關課程由民間來協助我們有沒有可能有我們現在有在進行是詳細的我們現在目前有跟民航局在做借機相關的無人機然後基礎的訓練我們在陸軍的南側無人機訓練指揮部裡面會來做基礎培育那屬於中高階的部分我們會進入到民航局來做相關考證的措施以上報告\n\n24\n00:09:45,316 --> 00:10:04,059\n好,那我們相關的這個政策目標,務必要掌握到基層官兵執行的一個狀況即時進行來做這個調整,對於這個後備軍人的專長還有任務編組我們這部分也要請我們國防部持續來精進,讓我們所有教召的這個效益可以提升\n\n25\n00:10:04,680 --> 00:10:21,150\n那我最後再請教一個問題就是我們漢光演習的部分以往都是五天四夜那近期內我們調整為十天九夜比以前以往的這個騎乘整整多出一倍那在這個實兵這個教召的\n\n26\n00:10:22,355 --> 00:10:25,577\n人員大概有2萬的後備軍人參與演習將整個演習的過程裡面我們有全程戰鬥從事12大戰訓的任務來驗證\n\n27\n00:10:38,365 --> 00:10:56,296\n那我想就教就是說在這個部分我們漢光演習我們人員增加然後時間增加的情況之下我們所動員的相關的裝備是否能夠因應大規模的這種動員的情況的人數可以支應我們既然能夠招訊我們這相關的裝備當然都要齊備這個部分\n\n28\n00:11:02,878 --> 00:11:20,092\n委員好後備指揮部參謀長報告那我們現在針對有關教育召集所有的專備都是有配合的人數然後來實施籌補然後也有都能夠充足因應所以我們人員增加然後天數增加都沒問題就好都沒問題都沒問題好那\n\n29\n00:11:21,053 --> 00:11:29,966\n那另外就是我們現行的一個規定接受新制14天的一個叫召者他的日資數額為軍官是1350\n\n30\n00:11:37,696 --> 00:11:59,214\n1350元那士官是1250元士兵是1050元那我想鑑於這個漢光演習的任務特性以及演習的時間拉長的因素是否我們對於漢光演習的這個教召人員額外研擬日資數額可以增加的可能性有沒有可能\n\n31\n00:12:04,509 --> 00:12:26,377\n法委員我想跟委員做個報告您剛剛所報告的是屬於義務役的那在當初規劃的時候他就已經有加成在比加成在裡面那自願役的話他是依照他時間的他實際退伍的階級然後按照日薪來予以支付的\n\n32\n00:12:26,957 --> 00:12:41,726\n所以這一段所以已經加成了對是之前已經加成了應該是有加了1.5倍那自願意退如果是屬於自願意退伍然後被招回來的那就是按照他退伍實際的這個日薪來計算這樣好以上謝謝部長謝謝我們常務長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1351\t25298\t謝謝主席,我們有請顧部長有請部長,謝謝部長早陳委員早部長,面對中共滲透的挑戰日趨嚴重我們反滲透的相關工作就更顯得重要我想根據國安局的報告資料當中在2020年\n27574\t54324\t到今天累計我們有159個人涉入這個共諜案的遭起訴那其中退役的軍人大概95人佔這個比例60%那對於這個部分我想就叫我們部長我們國防部的相關分析報告近期內中共對於我們國軍的這種滲透的樣態還有對象接觸的模式有沒有什麼樣的一個改變\n55830\t77688\t我想是不是先請說個說明委員好 我是政產局副局長 跟委員做個報告在過去來講 中共對我們的滲透方式往往是以債務所謂的地下錢莊來做一個著陸為重點但是今年以來 透過黑道幫派 也透過公民要組織 民間社團所以它今年特別比較多元化 大概是這個狀況\n80143\t103522\t他現在滲透的對象也不限是以往都是以軍官或是高階或是一般的軍官為主那現在一般的士兵好像也都是滲透的一個重點對象所以我想說對於我們這個監察院所提出的部分我們在上週的時候部長您曾接受這個採訪對於共諜滲透的這個部分\n107245\t134930\t是無所不在因為國軍在這個保防教育的這個相關的功效我們有87%的共諜案是由這個官兵主動檢舉來查獲的那我們國軍整體的這個保防人力編制雖然是每年有在逐年這個調整但整體這個保防的線源不僅未能達到編制的緣額\n135990\t151858\t反而這個邊線的比率逐年在下降那我想請教就是目前我們國軍各單位的這個保防人力是否充足那有沒有穩定邊線的這個比率有無再提升的這個需要\n152598\t176049\t跟委員報告,我在今年的1月1號已經核定新增保防人力54位足夠嗎?那現在的,我想我們會陸續來招募這樣子的相關的這些保防的幹部跟保防所需要的這個能力還是不足?\n177329\t203659\t我們希望逐步的來提高到我們應該要到達的一個所需要的能力的一個程度,那我獲得的訊息應該是說我們應該可以逐步的增加當中好,那我們這個保防工作也是非常重要,那為了避免受到外界的一個干預,我們是不是應該要維持它的獨立性來提升我們保防的這個效能?\n205605\t225754\t隱蔽性獨立性獨立性是保防人員一向具有他相關的獨立性如果您實際操作面上看起來他真的相當獨立因為他很多事情都是要直接跟我做個報告直接對我做報告\n226354\t243723\t好,那我們這個保防教育的相關業務,是結合我們單位任務的一個特性,參與我們國軍這個保密工作的教則來做相關的一個規範,那也是有計畫有重點的在做宣傳\n245084\t261718\t並且結合我們每週的舉光日的教學,還有每月的保防教育,還有每季的軍事官團教育來做宣教那目前辦理相關講座或是訓練的密度,是否有精進的空間?\n263159\t289977\t我們有應該是已經強化了有關相關的一些這些教育班隊的一個密度了這個詳細的是不是說明一下好 跟委員做報告針對專家學者的講座在今年我們也針對中將級主管以上的單位我們由各單位我們建訓他的一個人選針對有兩岸情形研究一個專長以及向調查局他本身辦國安案件相關的一個專長的\n291117\t308749\t一些高階主管來進行授課那另外中將級以上中將級以上主管不是中將級以上的人員就是這個單位是中將級主管的單位我們就來做一個順利的講座另外我們也結合我們舉辦的定時教學邀請我們的兩位的戰略顧問以及檢查總長來針對國安的滲透以及對國家的忠誠\n317655\t345582\t來做一個我們作為做一個那個菊光路的一個宣導教育好另外我的瞭解是他們自己本身也要建立的他們這個相關的能量所以也開設了一些班隊包括這個針防的專精班 禽獸的專精班網路的這個禽獸班等等還有搶綜合的技術的專精班等等這些我想大家都正在努力的在進行當中好\n346682\t370849\t我們這個部分單位比較容易接受到這個機敏的相關資訊若能夠有一個比較完善讓內部人員的這個安全查核的這個機制能夠更加完善建立分級管制的一個標準我相信是能夠減少一些漏洞在此也請我們國防部還有國安單位能夠通力合作一起來防範\n372730\t393829\t另外在上個月巡打的時候,曾請教過部長吳仁基是否可以納入教招的一個項目部長您也表示說應該要納入,會以朝向人人都會操作的目標來運行但是在近日的一篇媒體的報導當中\n396952\t417175\t指出目前我們在部隊當中無論是器材或是師資都是不足的情況那我想請教部長就是對於我們師資的培訓還有訓練的量能否再改善進一步來提升通過訓練的一個比例我們是\n419426\t448405\t委員好 我是權動署署長在這裡跟委員做個報告首先就師資培訓的部分我以我們14個縣市後備旅來講我們今年度開始就在做師資培訓的部分到目前為止我們依照提供的教育訓練流程我們分成18個梯次分別要建立850元的一個無人機操作的師資總人\n449766\t477815\t那在裝備的部分17個縣市後備旅來講的話我們在今年7月份分成兩梯次來獲得是小型的兼徵型的無人機上半年會獲得425架年底之前會獲得425架總共會有850架的無人機那在獅子種人以及營區裡面的訓練場地以及這個裝備的部分我們目前都在同步的建置\n478675\t501477\t以上報告所以就是要到年底的時候才有辦法把設備都準備齊全可是師資方面因為我們現在志願役的部分他學了一個月就要教新兵那自然是無法教得很透徹只能傳授基本的一些基礎那對於這個部分我想師資的部分你設備齊全了師資不夠的話也不行\n504905\t528927\t報委員,我就有兩個部分向您報告第一個,我們在今年的義務役的入伍訓練已經新增加了一個無人機的基礎操作的課程那在這個部分的師資也都經由我們的無人機訓練中心完成相關的師資培訓我們也實際上到各接訓的單位去輔導檢視在入伍接訓的部分師資是足夠的\n529668\t551917\t那另外第二個部分在常備部隊有關於我們的無人機建制那不管是商售或是軍售的無人機建制我們整個都是含裝備帶訓練所以這個部分在施肢也不會有問題 向您報告好 那我想另外就教就是說我們有沒有可能可以跟這個民間來合作借重民間的這個專長在這方面\n556279\t584608\t不管是在訓練或是未來我們所培訓的相關課程由民間來協助我們有沒有可能有我們現在有在進行是詳細的我們現在目前有跟民航局在做借機相關的無人機然後基礎的訓練我們在陸軍的南側無人機訓練指揮部裡面會來做基礎培育那屬於中高階的部分我們會進入到民航局來做相關考證的措施以上報告\n585316\t604059\t好,那我們相關的這個政策目標,務必要掌握到基層官兵執行的一個狀況即時進行來做這個調整,對於這個後備軍人的專長還有任務編組我們這部分也要請我們國防部持續來精進,讓我們所有教召的這個效益可以提升\n604680\t621150\t那我最後再請教一個問題就是我們漢光演習的部分以往都是五天四夜那近期內我們調整為十天九夜比以前以往的這個騎乘整整多出一倍那在這個實兵這個教召的\n622355\t625577\t人員大概有2萬的後備軍人參與演習將整個演習的過程裡面我們有全程戰鬥從事12大戰訓的任務來驗證\n638365\t656296\t那我想就教就是說在這個部分我們漢光演習我們人員增加然後時間增加的情況之下我們所動員的相關的裝備是否能夠因應大規模的這種動員的情況的人數可以支應我們既然能夠招訊我們這相關的裝備當然都要齊備這個部分\n662878\t680092\t委員好 後備指揮部參謀長報告那我們現在針對有關教育召集所有的專備都是有配合的人數 然後來實施籌補然後也有都能夠充足因應所以我們人員增加 然後天數增加都沒問題就好都沒問題 都沒問題好 那\n681053\t689966\t那另外就是我們現行的一個規定接受新制14天的一個叫召者他的日資數額為軍官是1350\n697696\t719214\t1350元那士官是1250元士兵是1050元那我想鑑於這個漢光演習的任務特性以及演習的時間拉長的因素是否我們對於漢光演習的這個教召人員額外研擬日資數額可以增加的可能性有沒有可能\n724509\t746377\t法委員我想跟委員做個報告您剛剛所報告的是屬於義務役的那在當初規劃的時候他就已經有加成在比加成在裡面那自願役的話他是依照他時間的他實際退伍的階級然後按照日薪來予以支付的\n746957\t761726\t所以這一段所以已經加成了對 是 之前已經加成了應該是有加了1.5倍那自願意退如果是屬於自願意退伍然後被招回來的那就是按照他退伍實際的這個日薪來計算這樣好 以上謝謝部長 謝謝我們常務長\n","txt":"謝謝主席,我們有請顧部長有請部長,謝謝部長早陳委員早部長,面對中共滲透的挑戰日趨嚴重我們反滲透的相關工作就更顯得重要我想根據國安局的報告資料當中在2020年\n到今天累計我們有159個人涉入這個共諜案的遭起訴那其中退役的軍人大概95人佔這個比例60%那對於這個部分我想就叫我們部長我們國防部的相關分析報告近期內中共對於我們國軍的這種滲透的樣態還有對象接觸的模式有沒有什麼樣的一個改變\n我想是不是先請說個說明委員好 我是政產局副局長 跟委員做個報告在過去來講 中共對我們的滲透方式往往是以債務所謂的地下錢莊來做一個著陸為重點但是今年以來 透過黑道幫派 也透過公民要組織 民間社團所以它今年特別比較多元化 大概是這個狀況\n他現在滲透的對象也不限是以往都是以軍官或是高階或是一般的軍官為主那現在一般的士兵好像也都是滲透的一個重點對象所以我想說對於我們這個監察院所提出的部分我們在上週的時候部長您曾接受這個採訪對於共諜滲透的這個部分\n是無所不在因為國軍在這個保防教育的這個相關的功效我們有87%的共諜案是由這個官兵主動檢舉來查獲的那我們國軍整體的這個保防人力編制雖然是每年有在逐年這個調整但整體這個保防的線源不僅未能達到編制的緣額\n反而這個邊線的比率逐年在下降那我想請教就是目前我們國軍各單位的這個保防人力是否充足那有沒有穩定邊線的這個比率有無再提升的這個需要\n跟委員報告,我在今年的1月1號已經核定新增保防人力54位足夠嗎?那現在的,我想我們會陸續來招募這樣子的相關的這些保防的幹部跟保防所需要的這個能力還是不足?\n我們希望逐步的來提高到我們應該要到達的一個所需要的能力的一個程度,那我獲得的訊息應該是說我們應該可以逐步的增加當中好,那我們這個保防工作也是非常重要,那為了避免受到外界的一個干預,我們是不是應該要維持它的獨立性來提升我們保防的這個效能?\n隱蔽性獨立性獨立性是保防人員一向具有他相關的獨立性如果您實際操作面上看起來他真的相當獨立因為他很多事情都是要直接跟我做個報告直接對我做報告\n好,那我們這個保防教育的相關業務,是結合我們單位任務的一個特性,參與我們國軍這個保密工作的教則來做相關的一個規範,那也是有計畫有重點的在做宣傳\n並且結合我們每週的舉光日的教學,還有每月的保防教育,還有每季的軍事官團教育來做宣教那目前辦理相關講座或是訓練的密度,是否有精進的空間?\n我們有應該是已經強化了有關相關的一些這些教育班隊的一個密度了這個詳細的是不是說明一下好 跟委員做報告針對專家學者的講座在今年我們也針對中將級主管以上的單位我們由各單位我們建訓他的一個人選針對有兩岸情形研究一個專長以及向調查局他本身辦國安案件相關的一個專長的\n一些高階主管來進行授課那另外中將級以上中將級以上主管不是中將級以上的人員就是這個單位是中將級主管的單位我們就來做一個順利的講座另外我們也結合我們舉辦的定時教學邀請我們的兩位的戰略顧問以及檢查總長來針對國安的滲透以及對國家的忠誠\n來做一個我們作為做一個那個菊光路的一個宣導教育好另外我的瞭解是他們自己本身也要建立的他們這個相關的能量所以也開設了一些班隊包括這個針防的專精班 禽獸的專精班網路的這個禽獸班等等還有搶綜合的技術的專精班等等這些我想大家都正在努力的在進行當中好\n我們這個部分單位比較容易接受到這個機敏的相關資訊若能夠有一個比較完善讓內部人員的這個安全查核的這個機制能夠更加完善建立分級管制的一個標準我相信是能夠減少一些漏洞在此也請我們國防部還有國安單位能夠通力合作一起來防範\n另外在上個月巡打的時候,曾請教過部長吳仁基是否可以納入教招的一個項目部長您也表示說應該要納入,會以朝向人人都會操作的目標來運行但是在近日的一篇媒體的報導當中\n指出目前我們在部隊當中無論是器材或是師資都是不足的情況那我想請教部長就是對於我們師資的培訓還有訓練的量能否再改善進一步來提升通過訓練的一個比例我們是\n委員好 我是權動署署長在這裡跟委員做個報告首先就師資培訓的部分我以我們14個縣市後備旅來講我們今年度開始就在做師資培訓的部分到目前為止我們依照提供的教育訓練流程我們分成18個梯次分別要建立850元的一個無人機操作的師資總人\n那在裝備的部分17個縣市後備旅來講的話我們在今年7月份分成兩梯次來獲得是小型的兼徵型的無人機上半年會獲得425架年底之前會獲得425架總共會有850架的無人機那在獅子種人以及營區裡面的訓練場地以及這個裝備的部分我們目前都在同步的建置\n以上報告所以就是要到年底的時候才有辦法把設備都準備齊全可是師資方面因為我們現在志願役的部分他學了一個月就要教新兵那自然是無法教得很透徹只能傳授基本的一些基礎那對於這個部分我想師資的部分你設備齊全了師資不夠的話也不行\n報委員,我就有兩個部分向您報告第一個,我們在今年的義務役的入伍訓練已經新增加了一個無人機的基礎操作的課程那在這個部分的師資也都經由我們的無人機訓練中心完成相關的師資培訓我們也實際上到各接訓的單位去輔導檢視在入伍接訓的部分師資是足夠的\n那另外第二個部分在常備部隊有關於我們的無人機建制那不管是商售或是軍售的無人機建制我們整個都是含裝備帶訓練所以這個部分在施肢也不會有問題 向您報告好 那我想另外就教就是說我們有沒有可能可以跟這個民間來合作借重民間的這個專長在這方面\n不管是在訓練或是未來我們所培訓的相關課程由民間來協助我們有沒有可能有我們現在有在進行是詳細的我們現在目前有跟民航局在做借機相關的無人機然後基礎的訓練我們在陸軍的南側無人機訓練指揮部裡面會來做基礎培育那屬於中高階的部分我們會進入到民航局來做相關考證的措施以上報告\n好,那我們相關的這個政策目標,務必要掌握到基層官兵執行的一個狀況即時進行來做這個調整,對於這個後備軍人的專長還有任務編組我們這部分也要請我們國防部持續來精進,讓我們所有教召的這個效益可以提升\n那我最後再請教一個問題就是我們漢光演習的部分以往都是五天四夜那近期內我們調整為十天九夜比以前以往的這個騎乘整整多出一倍那在這個實兵這個教召的\n人員大概有2萬的後備軍人參與演習將整個演習的過程裡面我們有全程戰鬥從事12大戰訓的任務來驗證\n那我想就教就是說在這個部分我們漢光演習我們人員增加然後時間增加的情況之下我們所動員的相關的裝備是否能夠因應大規模的這種動員的情況的人數可以支應我們既然能夠招訊我們這相關的裝備當然都要齊備這個部分\n委員好 後備指揮部參謀長報告那我們現在針對有關教育召集所有的專備都是有配合的人數 然後來實施籌補然後也有都能夠充足因應所以我們人員增加 然後天數增加都沒問題就好都沒問題 都沒問題好 那\n那另外就是我們現行的一個規定接受新制14天的一個叫召者他的日資數額為軍官是1350\n1350元那士官是1250元士兵是1050元那我想鑑於這個漢光演習的任務特性以及演習的時間拉長的因素是否我們對於漢光演習的這個教召人員額外研擬日資數額可以增加的可能性有沒有可能\n法委員我想跟委員做個報告您剛剛所報告的是屬於義務役的那在當初規劃的時候他就已經有加成在比加成在裡面那自願役的話他是依照他時間的他實際退伍的階級然後按照日薪來予以支付的\n所以這一段所以已經加成了對 是 之前已經加成了應該是有加了1.5倍那自願意退如果是屬於自願意退伍然後被招回來的那就是按照他退伍實際的這個日薪來計算這樣好 以上謝謝部長 謝謝我們常務長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.351 --> 00:25.298\n謝謝主席,我們有請顧部長有請部長,謝謝部長早陳委員早部長,面對中共滲透的挑戰日趨嚴重我們反滲透的相關工作就更顯得重要我想根據國安局的報告資料當中在2020年\n\n00:27.574 --> 00:54.324\n到今天累計我們有159個人涉入這個共諜案的遭起訴那其中退役的軍人大概95人佔這個比例60%那對於這個部分我想就叫我們部長我們國防部的相關分析報告近期內中共對於我們國軍的這種滲透的樣態還有對象接觸的模式有沒有什麼樣的一個改變\n\n00:55.830 --> 01:17.688\n我想是不是先請說個說明委員好我是政產局副局長跟委員做個報告在過去來講中共對我們的滲透方式往往是以債務所謂的地下錢莊來做一個著陸為重點但是今年以來透過黑道幫派也透過公民要組織民間社團所以它今年特別比較多元化大概是這個狀況\n\n01:20.143 --> 01:43.522\n他現在滲透的對象也不限是以往都是以軍官或是高階或是一般的軍官為主那現在一般的士兵好像也都是滲透的一個重點對象所以我想說對於我們這個監察院所提出的部分我們在上週的時候部長您曾接受這個採訪對於共諜滲透的這個部分\n\n01:47.245 --> 02:14.930\n是無所不在因為國軍在這個保防教育的這個相關的功效我們有87%的共諜案是由這個官兵主動檢舉來查獲的那我們國軍整體的這個保防人力編制雖然是每年有在逐年這個調整但整體這個保防的線源不僅未能達到編制的緣額\n\n02:15.990 --> 02:31.858\n反而這個邊線的比率逐年在下降那我想請教就是目前我們國軍各單位的這個保防人力是否充足那有沒有穩定邊線的這個比率有無再提升的這個需要\n\n02:32.598 --> 02:56.049\n跟委員報告,我在今年的1月1號已經核定新增保防人力54位足夠嗎?那現在的,我想我們會陸續來招募這樣子的相關的這些保防的幹部跟保防所需要的這個能力還是不足?\n\n02:57.329 --> 03:23.659\n我們希望逐步的來提高到我們應該要到達的一個所需要的能力的一個程度,那我獲得的訊息應該是說我們應該可以逐步的增加當中好,那我們這個保防工作也是非常重要,那為了避免受到外界的一個干預,我們是不是應該要維持它的獨立性來提升我們保防的這個效能?\n\n03:25.605 --> 03:45.754\n隱蔽性獨立性獨立性是保防人員一向具有他相關的獨立性如果您實際操作面上看起來他真的相當獨立因為他很多事情都是要直接跟我做個報告直接對我做報告\n\n03:46.354 --> 04:03.723\n好,那我們這個保防教育的相關業務,是結合我們單位任務的一個特性,參與我們國軍這個保密工作的教則來做相關的一個規範,那也是有計畫有重點的在做宣傳\n\n04:05.084 --> 04:21.718\n並且結合我們每週的舉光日的教學,還有每月的保防教育,還有每季的軍事官團教育來做宣教那目前辦理相關講座或是訓練的密度,是否有精進的空間?\n\n04:23.159 --> 04:49.977\n我們有應該是已經強化了有關相關的一些這些教育班隊的一個密度了這個詳細的是不是說明一下好跟委員做報告針對專家學者的講座在今年我們也針對中將級主管以上的單位我們由各單位我們建訓他的一個人選針對有兩岸情形研究一個專長以及向調查局他本身辦國安案件相關的一個專長的\n\n04:51.117 --> 05:08.749\n一些高階主管來進行授課那另外中將級以上中將級以上主管不是中將級以上的人員就是這個單位是中將級主管的單位我們就來做一個順利的講座另外我們也結合我們舉辦的定時教學邀請我們的兩位的戰略顧問以及檢查總長來針對國安的滲透以及對國家的忠誠\n\n05:17.655 --> 05:45.582\n來做一個我們作為做一個那個菊光路的一個宣導教育好另外我的瞭解是他們自己本身也要建立的他們這個相關的能量所以也開設了一些班隊包括這個針防的專精班禽獸的專精班網路的這個禽獸班等等還有搶綜合的技術的專精班等等這些我想大家都正在努力的在進行當中好\n\n05:46.682 --> 06:10.849\n我們這個部分單位比較容易接受到這個機敏的相關資訊若能夠有一個比較完善讓內部人員的這個安全查核的這個機制能夠更加完善建立分級管制的一個標準我相信是能夠減少一些漏洞在此也請我們國防部還有國安單位能夠通力合作一起來防範\n\n06:12.730 --> 06:33.829\n另外在上個月巡打的時候,曾請教過部長吳仁基是否可以納入教招的一個項目部長您也表示說應該要納入,會以朝向人人都會操作的目標來運行但是在近日的一篇媒體的報導當中\n\n06:36.952 --> 06:57.175\n指出目前我們在部隊當中無論是器材或是師資都是不足的情況那我想請教部長就是對於我們師資的培訓還有訓練的量能否再改善進一步來提升通過訓練的一個比例我們是\n\n06:59.426 --> 07:28.405\n委員好我是權動署署長在這裡跟委員做個報告首先就師資培訓的部分我以我們14個縣市後備旅來講我們今年度開始就在做師資培訓的部分到目前為止我們依照提供的教育訓練流程我們分成18個梯次分別要建立850元的一個無人機操作的師資總人\n\n07:29.766 --> 07:57.815\n那在裝備的部分17個縣市後備旅來講的話我們在今年7月份分成兩梯次來獲得是小型的兼徵型的無人機上半年會獲得425架年底之前會獲得425架總共會有850架的無人機那在獅子種人以及營區裡面的訓練場地以及這個裝備的部分我們目前都在同步的建置\n\n07:58.675 --> 08:21.477\n以上報告所以就是要到年底的時候才有辦法把設備都準備齊全可是師資方面因為我們現在志願役的部分他學了一個月就要教新兵那自然是無法教得很透徹只能傳授基本的一些基礎那對於這個部分我想師資的部分你設備齊全了師資不夠的話也不行\n\n08:24.905 --> 08:48.927\n報委員,我就有兩個部分向您報告第一個,我們在今年的義務役的入伍訓練已經新增加了一個無人機的基礎操作的課程那在這個部分的師資也都經由我們的無人機訓練中心完成相關的師資培訓我們也實際上到各接訓的單位去輔導檢視在入伍接訓的部分師資是足夠的\n\n08:49.668 --> 09:11.917\n那另外第二個部分在常備部隊有關於我們的無人機建制那不管是商售或是軍售的無人機建制我們整個都是含裝備帶訓練所以這個部分在施肢也不會有問題向您報告好那我想另外就教就是說我們有沒有可能可以跟這個民間來合作借重民間的這個專長在這方面\n\n09:16.279 --> 09:44.608\n不管是在訓練或是未來我們所培訓的相關課程由民間來協助我們有沒有可能有我們現在有在進行是詳細的我們現在目前有跟民航局在做借機相關的無人機然後基礎的訓練我們在陸軍的南側無人機訓練指揮部裡面會來做基礎培育那屬於中高階的部分我們會進入到民航局來做相關考證的措施以上報告\n\n09:45.316 --> 10:04.059\n好,那我們相關的這個政策目標,務必要掌握到基層官兵執行的一個狀況即時進行來做這個調整,對於這個後備軍人的專長還有任務編組我們這部分也要請我們國防部持續來精進,讓我們所有教召的這個效益可以提升\n\n10:04.680 --> 10:21.150\n那我最後再請教一個問題就是我們漢光演習的部分以往都是五天四夜那近期內我們調整為十天九夜比以前以往的這個騎乘整整多出一倍那在這個實兵這個教召的\n\n10:22.355 --> 10:25.577\n人員大概有2萬的後備軍人參與演習將整個演習的過程裡面我們有全程戰鬥從事12大戰訓的任務來驗證\n\n10:38.365 --> 10:56.296\n那我想就教就是說在這個部分我們漢光演習我們人員增加然後時間增加的情況之下我們所動員的相關的裝備是否能夠因應大規模的這種動員的情況的人數可以支應我們既然能夠招訊我們這相關的裝備當然都要齊備這個部分\n\n11:02.878 --> 11:20.092\n委員好後備指揮部參謀長報告那我們現在針對有關教育召集所有的專備都是有配合的人數然後來實施籌補然後也有都能夠充足因應所以我們人員增加然後天數增加都沒問題就好都沒問題都沒問題好那\n\n11:21.053 --> 11:29.966\n那另外就是我們現行的一個規定接受新制14天的一個叫召者他的日資數額為軍官是1350\n\n11:37.696 --> 11:59.214\n1350元那士官是1250元士兵是1050元那我想鑑於這個漢光演習的任務特性以及演習的時間拉長的因素是否我們對於漢光演習的這個教召人員額外研擬日資數額可以增加的可能性有沒有可能\n\n12:04.509 --> 12:26.377\n法委員我想跟委員做個報告您剛剛所報告的是屬於義務役的那在當初規劃的時候他就已經有加成在比加成在裡面那自願役的話他是依照他時間的他實際退伍的階級然後按照日薪來予以支付的\n\n12:26.957 --> 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那我想另外就教就是說我們有沒有可能可以跟這個民間來合作借重民間的這個專長在這方面"},{"start":556.279,"end":584.608,"text":"不管是在訓練或是未來我們所培訓的相關課程由民間來協助我們有沒有可能有我們現在有在進行是詳細的我們現在目前有跟民航局在做借機相關的無人機然後基礎的訓練我們在陸軍的南側無人機訓練指揮部裡面會來做基礎培育那屬於中高階的部分我們會進入到民航局來做相關考證的措施以上報告"},{"start":585.316,"end":604.059,"text":"好,那我們相關的這個政策目標,務必要掌握到基層官兵執行的一個狀況即時進行來做這個調整,對於這個後備軍人的專長還有任務編組我們這部分也要請我們國防部持續來精進,讓我們所有教召的這個效益可以提升"},{"start":604.68,"end":621.15,"text":"那我最後再請教一個問題就是我們漢光演習的部分以往都是五天四夜那近期內我們調整為十天九夜比以前以往的這個騎乘整整多出一倍那在這個實兵這個教召的"},{"start":622.355,"end":625.577,"text":"人員大概有2萬的後備軍人參與演習將整個演習的過程裡面我們有全程戰鬥從事12大戰訓的任務來驗證"},{"start":638.365,"end":656.296,"text":"那我想就教就是說在這個部分我們漢光演習我們人員增加然後時間增加的情況之下我們所動員的相關的裝備是否能夠因應大規模的這種動員的情況的人數可以支應我們既然能夠招訊我們這相關的裝備當然都要齊備這個部分"},{"start":662.878,"end":680.092,"text":"委員好 後備指揮部參謀長報告那我們現在針對有關教育召集所有的專備都是有配合的人數 然後來實施籌補然後也有都能夠充足因應所以我們人員增加 然後天數增加都沒問題就好都沒問題 都沒問題好 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